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00:02:43,430\n包括任何各行各業的這個產品他推了一個所謂的生產履歷那這個生產履歷標準是跨各行各業的那這是美國在推動的全球標準的組織CSI他所推動那我們\n\n9\n00:02:56,664 --> 00:03:02,349\n尚未加入所以你們應該積極的去了解這個議題也認為這個是應該趕快積極加入的話所有稀產地全部都解決了我從他的生產地這是從越南來的這是從哪一個國家來的我清清楚楚他已經跳脫你的這個QRCode的這種這個不管是一維還是二維的概念了他已經是整個全球\n\n10\n00:03:22,566 --> 00:03:32,651\n產品各產業所以它裡面的標準有4000多種的標準所以我不曉得部長跟主委這邊知道這個訊息嗎報告委員這個全球標準組織GSI這個部分到目前為止我想我們並沒有用這個標準來衡量\n\n11\n00:03:44,878 --> 00:04:01,407\n那我想我們會參考這個其實在我辦公室其實有跟你們產發署的同仁有做一個初步那你們也說你們不知道所以應該趕快帶回去研究那如果這個的話根本就是你的你剛才講的四個作為從邊境的管制\n\n12\n00:04:02,367 --> 00:04:30,746\n包括你相關那個四個作為那其實要花下更多的很多的人力啊但是如果你跟上這個全球的組織這個全球標準化的組織的時候你各行各業你的從產地運輸到加工包括你到你的最終點不管是不是到美國你到即使到歐盟這是全球唯一的美國在推動的一個全球的標準組織那你就全部都迎刃而解了我覺得這個才是根本你在解決洗產地的方法\n\n13\n00:04:33,908 --> 00:04:50,015\n這個這個就那部長您這邊包括國發會你要跨部會的協調你們的做法是什麼針對這個議題你們要趕快啟動你們的評估啊包括部長我們可以深入了解就這個標準大概是全球標準組織但是\n\n14\n00:04:50,735 --> 00:05:02,707\n美國還是真的全球每一個國家都有納入譬如說像WTO它有納入這樣的我們會深刻的去瞭解謝謝委員我覺得這個也稱為可以變成是你們跟美國談判的一個籌碼\n\n15\n00:05:07,512 --> 00:05:15,301\n那另外呢這個中期的部分呢我們政府要扮演產業升級轉型這個其實在郭部長這邊您其實也做得很積極那包括這個農業部的部分包括豬隻來講我也這個一直倡議要這個精準的基因育種\n\n16\n00:05:25,111 --> 00:05:42,530\n那也希望提升租资的一个生产效益包括农业部本身整个决策都应该智慧化包括也针对国发基金当中本席也对我们主委这边有提到应该要在相关的要重视这个传统产业跟中小企业好这个针对国发会\n\n17\n00:05:43,591 --> 00:06:04,942\n70年代國家經濟會的長遠發展才有1987年的台積電成立進化成為所謂護國神山那其實晶片產業重點是它能夠帶動電子跟直通訊的蓬勃發展其實我晶片對美初超的占比我才4.5%而真的帶給我們台灣國家利益的是晶片所帶動的直通訊電子產業我初超達64.5%\n\n18\n00:06:09,844 --> 00:06:31,560\n所以山頂只有一點山體才是堅如磐石的關鍵讓台灣成為產業鏈中不可或缺的關鍵角色作為規劃國家發展策略的統合機關國發會您在佈局下一個護國神山當中您的下一個世代的長期策略規劃我們再回顧一下\n\n19\n00:06:32,361 --> 00:06:33,743\n台積電成為復活神山的原始背景是在於長期的市場調查那時候美國他放棄了晶片的代工我們國家認為他放棄然後他也探尋了張忠謀等\n\n20\n00:06:48,918 --> 00:06:57,841\n相關的這些人才既然美國放棄那這些人才在美國生根那就把他們也認為這是前景可為所以就回國那我們做了一個世界調查當中之後人家不做我們認為有前景的才造就了這件事情好那現在我們政府的下一個復國神山這樣的一個產業規劃我不曉得國發會這邊有沒有什麼的\n\n21\n00:07:18,267 --> 00:07:41,422\n一個規劃或者是一個什麼想法或者有什麼啟動我們有兩件事在做第一個是強化既有的復國神山韌性譬如說我們在半導體的特用化學跟這個零組件的部分設備的部分我們會去強化它的韌性那另外一個是我們在在規劃更多的復國神山其實台灣現在譬如說\n\n22\n00:07:42,042 --> 00:08:04,453\n已經有多個譬如說AI是我們的新的復國神山譬如說ICT是我們的新復國神山它有一個基準點我們用兩個構面去看它第一個構面是這個產業具不具備國際競爭力已經具備國際競爭力又有一定的市佔率的時候我們就會以它為發展把它的全球市佔率擴大因為全球市佔率擴大才能影響到全球但是沒有國際競爭力是\n\n23\n00:08:06,034 --> 00:08:14,783\n難以做全球市佔率你認為當時在台積電美國放棄的當下我國投入的時候是有一個已經有一個基礎的市佔率嗎\n\n24\n00:08:17,583 --> 00:08:45,624\n這是中期的一個發展另外一個長期是它有一個長遠的未來那我剛剛提到的AI就是未來很重要的一個長期的發展那我們這些都會去考慮進來好所以你政府對我們在技術上我們有三個大的方向第一個是矽光子的產業量子的產業再來是自主化機器人就是全部自動化的那自主化機器人這三個產業是我們在未來如果您用長期來看是我們長期在\n\n25\n00:08:46,224 --> 00:09:14,108\n在發展的對象那我們現在也規劃了政策好OK那我想對於爬梳我想這次還是就既有現在的產業趨勢當中去做我們下一個世代的富國神山的規劃但是本席想要講的是你對於全球的市場規劃當中接近台積電的這樣的一個市場他當時是被放棄的也可能當時也不被認為有任何的\n\n26\n00:09:14,668 --> 00:09:26,952\n被美國放棄而且在全球當中他也不具任何的一個市場全景的情況之下我們台灣積極的投入因為我們的徵詢的類相關的人才都認為他可能會是一個未來的一個很有\n\n27\n00:09:31,354 --> 00:09:31,775\n好那以上謝謝好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2662\t5512\t好 有請國發會組委跟郭部長劉組委 郭部長\n13735\t40907\t好 這個本席想了解這次美中關稅大戰當中到底在這個席產地很明顯這是一個重點那席產地的政策目前是什麼那個郭部長跟主委這邊你們回應一下是 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山體才是堅如磐石的關鍵讓台灣成為產業鏈中不可或缺的關鍵角色作為規劃國家發展策略的統合機關國發會您在佈局下一個護國神山當中您的下一個世代的長期策略規劃 我們再回顧一下\n392361\t393743\t台積電成為復活神山的原始背景是在於長期的市場調查那時候美國他放棄了晶片的代工我們國家認為他放棄然後他也探尋了張忠謀等\n408918\t417841\t相關的這些人才 既然美國放棄那這些人才在美國生根那就把他們也認為這是前景可為所以就回國那我們做了一個世界調查當中之後人家不做我們認為有前景的才造就了這件事情好 那現在我們政府的下一個復國神山這樣的一個產業規劃 我不曉得國發會這邊有沒有什麼的\n438267\t461422\t一個規劃或者是一個什麼想法或者有什麼啟動我們有兩件事在做第一個是強化既有的復國神山韌性譬如說我們在半導體的特用化學跟這個零組件的部分設備的部分我們會去強化它的韌性那另外一個是我們在在規劃更多的復國神山其實台灣現在譬如說\n462042\t484453\t已經有多個譬如說AI是我們的新的復國神山譬如說ICT是我們的新復國神山它有一個基準點我們用兩個構面去看它第一個構面是這個產業具不具備國際競爭力已經具備國際競爭力又有一定的市佔率的時候我們就會以它為發展把它的全球市佔率擴大因為全球市佔率擴大才能影響到全球但是沒有國際競爭力是\n486034\t494783\t難以做全球市佔率你認為當時在台積電美國放棄的當下我國投入的時候是有一個已經有一個基礎的市佔率嗎\n497583\t525624\t這是中期的一個發展另外一個長期是它有一個長遠的未來那我剛剛提到的AI就是未來很重要的一個長期的發展那我們這些都會去考慮進來好所以你政府對我們在技術上我們有三個大的方向第一個是矽光子的產業量子的產業再來是自主化機器人就是全部自動化的那自主化機器人這三個產業是我們在未來如果您用長期來看是我們長期在\n526224\t554108\t在發展的對象那我們現在也規劃了政策好OK那我想對於爬梳我想這次還是就既有現在的產業趨勢當中去做我們下一個世代的富國神山的規劃但是本席想要講的是你對於全球的市場規劃當中接近台積電的這樣的一個市場他當時是被放棄的也可能當時也不被認為有任何的\n554668\t566952\t被美國放棄而且在全球當中他也不具任何的一個市場全景的情況之下我們台灣積極的投入因為我們的徵詢的類相關的人才都認為他可能會是一個未來的一個很有\n571354\t571775\t好 那以上 謝謝好 謝謝\n","txt":"好 有請國發會組委跟郭部長劉組委 郭部長\n好 這個本席想了解這次美中關稅大戰當中到底在這個席產地很明顯這是一個重點那席產地的政策目前是什麼那個郭部長跟主委這邊你們回應一下是 報告委員我想席產地的部分我們會有四個重點第一個重點就是對這個席產地的部分我們第一個對監測進口量\n監測進口量就是跟輸出美國的這個產品做全面的勾結把它勾結出來第二個當有這個現象的時候我們重研加法那麼最高可以罰到300萬甚至於取消它的進出口商的資格第三個加強反傾銷的調查那麼這個我們已經委託工業總會輔導廠商來提告\n那第四個加強業者的宣傳我想這個很多的業者他可能不清楚所以我們加強這個業者宣傳第一個在第一場呢針對這個工具區啊這個扣件業我們在4月15號有舉行大概有600人參加那麼今年至少會趕緊來辦理大概預定目標是18場好部長您這四個方案我覺得還不夠徹底還不夠根本\n本席在這邊建議 尤其在短期作為當中 本席認為在短中長期你們的做法其實我是認同的尤其在你們報告當中也很清楚的寫到要協助廠商進入美國市場那台灣除了半導體自修性之外 部分的傳統產業 食品 農業 製造業的加工在美國市場跟中國是有高度的同質性\n既然是危機是危險也是機會所以本次除了對美國談判應該爭取較有利的條件如果開拓新市場除了美國之外的新市場來分散集中風險這也是我這本期要提醒要注意的所以針對習產業當中本期建立我們政府直接應該評估積極的加速\n這個全球標準組織GSI這是美國推動的各級產業的產品生產履歷全球標準化所以為什麼要請國發會來因為今天不是只有經濟部包括農業\n包括任何各行各業的這個產品他推了一個所謂的生產履歷那這個生產履歷標準是跨各行各業的那這是美國在推動的全球標準的組織CSI他所推動 那我們\n尚未加入所以你們應該積極的去了解這個議題也認為這個是應該趕快積極加入的話所有稀產地全部都解決了我從他的生產地這是從越南來的這是從哪一個國家來的我清清楚楚他已經跳脫你的這個QR Code的這種這個不管是一維還是二維的概念了他已經是整個全球\n產品各產業所以它裡面的標準有4000多種的標準所以我不曉得部長跟主委這邊知道這個訊息嗎報告委員這個全球標準組織GSI這個部分到目前為止我想我們並沒有用這個標準來衡量\n那我想我們會參考這個其實在我辦公室其實有跟你們產發署的同仁有做一個初步那你們也說你們不知道所以應該趕快帶回去研究那如果這個的話根本就是你的你剛才講的四個作為從邊境的管制\n包括你相關那個四個作為那其實要花下更多的很多的人力啊但是如果你跟上這個全球的組織這個全球標準化的組織的時候你各行各業你的從產地運輸到加工包括你到你的最終點不管是不是到美國你到即使到歐盟這是全球唯一的美國在推動的一個全球的標準組織那你就全部都迎刃而解了我覺得這個才是根本你在解決洗產地的方法\n這個這個就那部長您這邊包括國發會你要跨部會的協調你們的做法是什麼針對這個議題你們要趕快啟動你們的評估啊包括部長我們可以深入了解就這個標準大概是全球標準組織但是\n美國還是真的全球每一個國家都有納入譬如說像WTO它有納入這樣的我們會深刻的去瞭解謝謝委員我覺得這個也稱為可以變成是你們跟美國談判的一個籌碼\n那另外呢這個中期的部分呢我們政府要扮演產業升級轉型這個其實在郭部長這邊您其實也做得很積極那包括這個農業部的部分包括豬隻來講我也這個一直倡議要這個精準的基因育種\n那也希望提升租资的一个生产效益包括农业部本身整个决策都应该智慧化包括也针对国发基金当中本席也对我们主委这边有提到应该要在相关的要重视这个传统产业跟中小企业好这个针对国发会\n70年代國家經濟會的長遠發展才有1987年的台積電成立進化成為所謂護國神山那其實晶片產業重點是它能夠帶動電子跟直通訊的蓬勃發展其實我晶片對美初超的占比我才4.5%而真的帶給我們台灣國家利益的是晶片所帶動的直通訊電子產業我初超達64.5%\n所以山頂只有一點 山體才是堅如磐石的關鍵讓台灣成為產業鏈中不可或缺的關鍵角色作為規劃國家發展策略的統合機關國發會您在佈局下一個護國神山當中您的下一個世代的長期策略規劃 我們再回顧一下\n台積電成為復活神山的原始背景是在於長期的市場調查那時候美國他放棄了晶片的代工我們國家認為他放棄然後他也探尋了張忠謀等\n相關的這些人才 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