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00:03:42,256\n就是說我們這一次的所謂一個協商的團隊我們其實應該把這些我們企業體也應該要加入也就是客戶端他們其實是很重要的所以如果這樣的一個協商團不只是政府還有民間的力量我覺得我們會越成功這個部分可能邀請部長在這段時間可能跟這些企業體密切的\n\n11\n00:03:43,176 --> 00:03:57,872\n結合甚至因為部長是來自企業界我相信這個部分你非常的了解如何利用客戶的心理客戶的心理來讓他們的政府好好的在這個平台當中去做對談\n\n12\n00:03:59,173 --> 00:04:15,203\n然後彼此互利這才是重要不是哪一方得利而是要彼此互利所以這個部長在麻煩那因為我們也清楚現在90天這10%的關稅大概這是一個\n\n13\n00:04:16,204 --> 00:04:36,041\n一個基底那這個基底我們對於這個基底有多少的廠商有受到影響我們有沒有調查過之前我們是針對32%那現在基本上90天以10%為這樣的基底那麼這個基底大概川普也說啦這個基底也不會降啊\n\n14\n00:04:37,122 --> 00:04:54,740\n大概也很難只是說在幾個我們的業別去做調整而已那麼好我們有沒有了解有多少的產業會因為這10%受到影響是報告委員我們大概在過去的兩個禮拜裡面透過市場的這個跟\n\n15\n00:04:55,841 --> 00:05:14,036\n总统还有行政院院长一起开的这个座谈会还有我们经济部同仁去拜访各个的这个工协会我们大概以10%的关税来讲大家当然也有一些厂商有受到一些影响对就是在这个部分那这个部分呢他们有特别讲说\n\n16\n00:05:15,117 --> 00:05:24,686\n只要跟競爭國是站在同一個起跑線這個他們不擔心他們比較擔心的是我們10%別人0%這樣子對他們來講就馬上有10%的距離所以部長這就是關鍵競爭力是\n\n17\n00:05:32,694 --> 00:05:53,600\n其實就是說大家如果齊頭是都OK但是呢如果有不一樣的所以我覺得我們會希望了解哪些廠商受到影響就是說我們在這幾個區塊是不是會被漏掉是報告委員我們在產發署他們的努力情況之下我們都會把我們的競爭果\n\n18\n00:05:55,319 --> 00:06:14,712\n把這些資料然後呈送給這個談判的這個小組讓他們做參考那麼也積極的跟美國那邊做溝通就是說這個部分我們希望因為我們跟美國在很多的這個科技也好其他的各種方面也好\n\n19\n00:06:15,132 --> 00:06:33,826\n都是很多是非常好的这个关系我们希望透过这样子让美国能够充分的了解台湾其实现阶段我们的资料要越详细给谈判的这些代表让我们清楚我们台湾现在的优势在哪里劣势在哪里\n\n20\n00:06:34,426 --> 00:06:58,602\n讓他們很清楚了解那這些一些基本的基底資料你們才有所以我們會希望你們要把這些資料很具體的呈現然後如何分散我們在整個出口產業的風險這也是另外一個區塊好就是說我們如何分散如何找尋更好的一些出口的對象\n\n21\n00:06:59,423 --> 00:07:11,072\n然後我們行銷的對象這也是一個重點然後我要給部長看一個資料這是這個昨天新的一個民調也就是說大家對於\n\n22\n00:07:12,455 --> 00:07:30,163\n我們政府要如何穩住人民的信心指數當然現在台灣人對川普的這個部分是非常沒有辦法接受覺得說台灣人這個美國川普總統對新關稅的政策其實覺得不合理的有81.9%可是認為我們的政府\n\n23\n00:07:36,546 --> 00:07:54,185\n應該要有更對於對應的回應這個部分認為有贊成的43.9%不贊成的是40.8%也就是一個信心指數我所講的這是信心指數就是說我們這段時間所做的大家還是會有點擔憂\n\n24\n00:07:56,047 --> 00:08:11,302\n包括農業大家會覺得說我們是不是在談判桌上會被扒第二層皮或是多層皮然後呢也有今天車輛工會因為我們汽車零組件非常的強是不是會造成有30萬人會失業\n\n25\n00:08:13,104 --> 00:08:42,307\n這就是信心指數的問題今天我會在這最後跟部長來討論就是說我們應該要人民的信心回復讓他們作為我們最強的後盾這才是最重要的所以部長這個就是說我們希望你們提供更多的資料產業的資料企業的資料給我們談判的代表讓他們清楚台灣的優勢在哪裡我們要怎麼去跟美國談判我們的劣勢在哪裡\n\n26\n00:08:43,027 --> 00:09:03,112\n第二我們要分散我們的風險也就是出口風險這也是我們應該現在要做的第三恢復我們的信心指數因為我們一定要把這些出口的比重分散而且我們要搶中國在美國的市場\n\n27\n00:09:04,537 --> 00:09:32,481\n因為中國現在跟美國這樣的一個角色已經很清楚了大概很難中國可以進到美國去做這些所謂他們過去運籌帷幄的這些市場端那麼我們要怎麼去取得這個部分這個也是另外一個重點是這個我們都有在模擬那有各種的方向那如何切入因為中國它失去這個市場以後它可能會溢出到其他的市場\n\n28\n00:09:33,021 --> 00:10:01,863\n这个都是动态的报告委员我们产发署都有做这方面的模拟这个模拟很重要所以你们任何的模拟就是要让我们的人民更有信心去support你们然后更有竞争力能够让我们去抢所谓国外的市场这个才是我们现在要帮忙我们产业界跟人民在未来商业的一些变动\n\n29\n00:10:02,684 --> 00:10:04,392\n所給的一個信心力量\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4607\t8109\t謝謝主席 我們請部長經濟部長 國部長委員長部長好我想最近一個議題就是說川普要針對半導體藥品來徵關稅要啟動232調查232項的這樣的一個調查的部分232調查 這個部分要怎麼辦\n33927\t35309\t報告委員這個232調查我們現在這個產發署都已經有進入這樣一個模擬的狀況\n41633\t70848\t有模擬狀況有模擬狀況怎麼模擬狀況首先對半導體的課稅我們大概有四個這個方向第一個就是美國政府正在進行這個國安的這個調查所以我們也在關切密切的這個關注這樣的一個調查第二個我們政府呢也因為美國在調查這件事情所以我們也在佈局看到這個調查的結果會怎麼樣第三個積極跟美國的政府協商為什麼\n71528\t80214\t因為台灣的這個半導體跟美國的用戶是高度的相關高度的相關因為美國他們是做設計我們是做這個開發跟製造所以這個東西\n87139\t106530\t合作關係 合作關係很親密所以我們跟美國是這個策略上面的夥伴根據這四個命題我們都是高度的跟美國在做協商希望這個稅 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報告委員我們大概在過去的兩個禮拜裡面透過市場的這個跟\n295841\t314036\t总统还有行政院院长一起开的这个座谈会还有我们经济部同仁去拜访各个的这个工协会我们大概以10%的关税来讲大家当然也有一些厂商有受到一些影响对就是在这个部分那这个部分呢他们有特别讲说\n315117\t324686\t只要跟競爭國是站在同一個起跑線這個他們不擔心他們比較擔心的是我們10%別人0%這樣子對他們來講就馬上有10%的距離所以部長這就是關鍵競爭力是\n332694\t353600\t其實就是說大家如果齊頭是都OK但是呢如果有不一樣的所以我覺得我們會希望了解哪些廠商受到影響就是說我們在這幾個區塊是不是會被漏掉是 報告委員我們在產發署他們的努力情況之下我們都會把我們的競爭果\n355319\t374712\t把這些資料然後呈送給這個談判的這個小組讓他們做參考那麼也積極的跟美國那邊做溝通就是說這個部分我們希望因為我們跟美國在很多的這個科技也好其他的各種方面也好\n375132\t393826\t都是很多是非常好的这个关系我们希望透过这样子让美国能够充分的了解台湾其实现阶段我们的资料要越详细给谈判的这些代表让我们清楚我们台湾现在的优势在哪里劣势在哪里\n394426\t418602\t讓他們很清楚了解那這些一些基本的基底資料你們才有所以我們會希望你們要把這些資料很具體的呈現然後如何分散我們在整個出口產業的風險這也是另外一個區塊好就是說我們如何分散如何找尋更好的一些出口的對象\n419423\t431072\t然後我們行銷的對象這也是一個重點然後我要給部長看一個資料這是這個昨天新的一個民調也就是說大家對於\n432455\t450163\t我們政府要如何穩住人民的信心指數當然現在台灣人對川普的這個部分是非常沒有辦法接受覺得說台灣人這個美國川普總統對新關稅的政策其實覺得不合理的有81.9%可是認為我們的政府\n456546\t474185\t應該要有更對於對應的回應這個部分認為有贊成的43.9%不贊成的是40.8%也就是一個信心指數我所講的這是信心指數就是說我們這段時間所做的大家還是會有點擔憂\n476047\t491302\t包括農業大家會覺得說我們是不是在談判桌上會被扒第二層皮或是多層皮然後呢也有今天車輛工會因為我們汽車零組件非常的強是不是會造成有30萬人會失業\n493104\t522307\t這就是信心指數的問題今天我會在這最後跟部長來討論就是說我們應該要人民的信心回復讓他們作為我們最強的後盾這才是最重要的所以部長這個就是說我們希望你們提供更多的資料產業的資料企業的資料給我們談判的代表讓他們清楚台灣的優勢在哪裡我們要怎麼去跟美國談判我們的劣勢在哪裡\n523027\t543112\t第二 我們要分散我們的風險 也就是出口風險這也是我們應該現在要做的第三 恢復我們的信心指數因為我們一定要把這些出口的比重分散而且我們要搶中國在美國的市場\n544537\t572481\t因為中國現在跟美國這樣的一個角色已經很清楚了大概很難中國可以進到美國去做這些所謂他們過去運籌帷幄的這些市場端那麼我們要怎麼去取得這個部分這個也是另外一個重點是 這個我們都有在模擬那有各種的方向那如何切入因為中國它失去這個市場以後它可能會溢出到其他的市場\n573021\t601863\t这个都是动态的报告委员我们产发署都有做这方面的模拟这个模拟很重要所以你们任何的模拟就是要让我们的人民更有信心去support你们然后更有竞争力能够让我们去抢所谓国外的市场这个才是我们现在要帮忙我们产业界跟人民在未来商业的一些变动\n602684\t604392\t所給的一個信心力量\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們請部長經濟部長 國部長委員長部長好我想最近一個議題就是說川普要針對半導體藥品來徵關稅要啟動232調查232項的這樣的一個調查的部分232調查 這個部分要怎麼辦\n報告委員這個232調查我們現在這個產發署都已經有進入這樣一個模擬的狀況\n有模擬狀況有模擬狀況怎麼模擬狀況首先對半導體的課稅我們大概有四個這個方向第一個就是美國政府正在進行這個國安的這個調查所以我們也在關切密切的這個關注這樣的一個調查第二個我們政府呢也因為美國在調查這件事情所以我們也在佈局看到這個調查的結果會怎麼樣第三個積極跟美國的政府協商為什麼\n因為台灣的這個半導體跟美國的用戶是高度的相關高度的相關因為美國他們是做設計我們是做這個開發跟製造所以這個東西\n合作關係 合作關係很親密所以我們跟美國是這個策略上面的夥伴根據這四個命題我們都是高度的跟美國在做協商希望這個稅 美國課稅結果他的目的沒有達成反而傷到我們台灣\n這個部分其實現在大家都在看齁因為依照1962年貿易擴張法的第232條那這232調查就是依照這個部分要去重新對於我們半導體及相關製造設備去做調查那就像部長所說的其實\n我們跟美國是策略聯盟的關係他是設計我們是在製造的一個強項所以在這樣的一個前提之下我們怎麼把這個平台建立好然後可以用協商的用動之以情也好或是用夥伴合作的角度也好我覺得大家都在看所以這是個面向\n剛剛部長所講的是四個面向我們到底目前有掌握了多少的優勢 你認為呢我們現在是這樣子 因為其實跟委員報告我們只跟你說不好 我們最大的影響就是我們的客人\n用客人用客戶用客戶跟我們政府互相來幫忙表達給美國的政府了解所以這個給美國政府能夠了解這裡的情形是對我們台灣我們在講這個關稅就靠大家在認知沒有差異的情況之下決定一個對我們台灣有競爭力的關稅所以部長你剛剛說客戶很重要\n就是說我們這一次的所謂一個協商的團隊我們其實應該把這些我們企業體也應該要加入也就是客戶端他們其實是很重要的所以如果這樣的一個協商團不只是政府還有民間的力量我覺得我們會越成功這個部分可能邀請部長在這段時間可能跟這些企業體密切的\n結合甚至因為部長是來自企業界我相信這個部分你非常的了解如何利用客戶的心理客戶的心理來讓他們的政府好好的在這個平台當中去做對談\n然後彼此互利這才是重要不是哪一方得利而是要彼此互利所以這個部長在麻煩那因為我們也清楚現在90天這10%的關稅大概這是一個\n一個基底那這個基底我們對於這個基底有多少的廠商有受到影響我們有沒有調查過之前我們是針對32%那現在基本上90天以10%為這樣的基底那麼這個基底大概川普也說啦這個基底也不會降啊\n大概也很難 只是說在幾個我們的業別去做調整而已那麼好我們有沒有了解有多少的產業會因為這10%受到影響是 報告委員我們大概在過去的兩個禮拜裡面透過市場的這個跟\n总统还有行政院院长一起开的这个座谈会还有我们经济部同仁去拜访各个的这个工协会我们大概以10%的关税来讲大家当然也有一些厂商有受到一些影响对就是在这个部分那这个部分呢他们有特别讲说\n只要跟競爭國是站在同一個起跑線這個他們不擔心他們比較擔心的是我們10%別人0%這樣子對他們來講就馬上有10%的距離所以部長這就是關鍵競爭力是\n其實就是說大家如果齊頭是都OK但是呢如果有不一樣的所以我覺得我們會希望了解哪些廠商受到影響就是說我們在這幾個區塊是不是會被漏掉是 報告委員我們在產發署他們的努力情況之下我們都會把我們的競爭果\n把這些資料然後呈送給這個談判的這個小組讓他們做參考那麼也積極的跟美國那邊做溝通就是說這個部分我們希望因為我們跟美國在很多的這個科技也好其他的各種方面也好\n都是很多是非常好的这个关系我们希望透过这样子让美国能够充分的了解台湾其实现阶段我们的资料要越详细给谈判的这些代表让我们清楚我们台湾现在的优势在哪里劣势在哪里\n讓他們很清楚了解那這些一些基本的基底資料你們才有所以我們會希望你們要把這些資料很具體的呈現然後如何分散我們在整個出口產業的風險這也是另外一個區塊好就是說我們如何分散如何找尋更好的一些出口的對象\n然後我們行銷的對象這也是一個重點然後我要給部長看一個資料這是這個昨天新的一個民調也就是說大家對於\n我們政府要如何穩住人民的信心指數當然現在台灣人對川普的這個部分是非常沒有辦法接受覺得說台灣人這個美國川普總統對新關稅的政策其實覺得不合理的有81.9%可是認為我們的政府\n應該要有更對於對應的回應這個部分認為有贊成的43.9%不贊成的是40.8%也就是一個信心指數我所講的這是信心指數就是說我們這段時間所做的大家還是會有點擔憂\n包括農業大家會覺得說我們是不是在談判桌上會被扒第二層皮或是多層皮然後呢也有今天車輛工會因為我們汽車零組件非常的強是不是會造成有30萬人會失業\n這就是信心指數的問題今天我會在這最後跟部長來討論就是說我們應該要人民的信心回復讓他們作為我們最強的後盾這才是最重要的所以部長這個就是說我們希望你們提供更多的資料產業的資料企業的資料給我們談判的代表讓他們清楚台灣的優勢在哪裡我們要怎麼去跟美國談判我們的劣勢在哪裡\n第二 我們要分散我們的風險 也就是出口風險這也是我們應該現在要做的第三 恢復我們的信心指數因為我們一定要把這些出口的比重分散而且我們要搶中國在美國的市場\n因為中國現在跟美國這樣的一個角色已經很清楚了大概很難中國可以進到美國去做這些所謂他們過去運籌帷幄的這些市場端那麼我們要怎麼去取得這個部分這個也是另外一個重點是 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