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00:01:30,173\n好這個美國解放日不讓任何一個地方排除在外那我們在上週五我們的卓院長也講到了我們事前的一個預防事前的一個預防然後就是事中的一個嚴查事後的一個嚴華那他特別強調台灣不能成為世界貿易的一個破口當然我想就是台灣將\n\n5\n00:01:31,973 --> 00:01:50,100\n嚴謹的一個預防稀產地NIT就是NIT所以我們要啟動還請銷的一個調查這個毋庸置疑當然我們都可以看到政府的一個決心但在這裡我要請教經濟部次長次長你剛才針對的就是\n\n6\n00:01:52,386 --> 00:02:17,189\n郭國文委員的這個小兒包裹就是說我們知道這個小兒包裹長期其實我可以這樣講啊長期就是說我們的關務署施上一直認為說這個小兒的包裹就是說在財政委員會裡頭有很多的委員不斷的一個質詢可是顯然你們沒有把這個事情看到非常的一個嚴重啊\n\n7\n00:02:17,990 --> 00:02:38,893\n那美國川普總統他在4月9號簽署的一個行政命令他講說從中國進口價值800美元的這個以下的小額包裹他加徵關稅從貨值的30%增到90%那甚至港媒的一個報導他措施是在5月2號\n\n8\n00:02:40,114 --> 00:02:56,923\n那個生效就是等於是香港的也一樣生效那台灣的呢剛才你跟郭委員講你說淘寶就是才華改正還有惠子許可甚至必要的時候撤資你有沒有這樣子的一個決定呢\n\n9\n00:02:59,203 --> 00:03:26,689\n報告委員其實我們在二月份已經找了國內的相關的電商平台電商平台非常的樂意跟政府來配合因為我們經濟部對於相關有一千多項的這個產品都有規定要因時檢驗所以電商平台現在已經跟我們的經濟部有做連線任何進口的產品好市長如果他不配合的時候必要的時候有沒有辦法撤資你有沒有這樣的一個決心呢\n\n10\n00:03:27,964 --> 00:03:55,854\n我跟你講你如果不撤它的話我們國內很多零售業就是會先被撤了那經濟部一個這個監督我們全國經濟的這個部門那如果這樣子放任不作為的話我相信這個台灣的社會其實基本上是會非常非常的有更大的一個反撲對於淘寶在台灣因為他所從事的廣告業務跟他所登記的項目不一樣\n\n11\n00:03:56,653 --> 00:04:17,267\n我剛才有跟委員報告我們已經給予裁罰然後命期改正如果他不改正的話我們就會進行撤資的動作這個部分已經通知了該公司所以期限到什麼時候目前的話期限還沒有到期限到什麼時候在今年的上半年上半年6月30號\n\n12\n00:04:20,077 --> 00:04:42,171\n這個確切的日期容我回去再去好會後給資料好不好好接著我們請那個次長你請回我接著請那個杜次長杜次長我想就是說針對的這個台灣的一個那個就是是不是會變為一個息產地那其實我們比較擔心的農業的一個議題那相對的就是說我先從這個吳國瑜來講起\n\n13\n00:04:44,272 --> 00:05:04,572\n那吳國瑜其實現階段我們看不到他大概要五個月可能到了八九月的時候他現在剛剛放苗下去那有沒有一個比較好的方式因為顯然就是說中國一定會利用利用台灣來洗產地你們有沒有什麼比較積極的一個作為呢\n\n14\n00:05:05,793 --> 00:05:27,923\n謝謝委員關心因為農業是我們最重要的一個產業吳國瑜剛提到吳國瑜現在都在放苗而已所以我們有要做養殖登記放養登記這是第一點那第二點其實就接下來要出去的這個部分一定要加強溯源包括它的流向跟到最終的產品這個我們都會來做對溯源還有就是產地放多少\n\n15\n00:05:32,745 --> 00:05:53,734\n所以除了這些以外有沒有比較一個積極的一個方式就是說你的這個產品的一個這個檢驗的一個機制我們看到了那你驗收就是查驗加工廠的一個進出口量還有你要提高中國的水產品的一個關稅但這些有沒有辦法做到呢\n\n16\n00:05:55,074 --> 00:06:08,645\n就進口的部分其實當然在邊境包括海關包括我們還包括衛福部他說那個殘留檢驗第二個是在我們國內生產的部分從源頭剛從放養要去做登錄到最終產品要去注意那委員在\n\n17\n00:06:10,406 --> 00:06:27,557\n檢報上面提到的這個如果能不能透過其他的檢驗包括來源的DNA標示或是同位素我覺得這個農業部要做這些檢測都完全會這個完全沒有問題啊我們有幾個行啊包括茶葉啦五齡啦但是我跟你講你的茶葉這個也沒有問題\n\n18\n00:06:29,057 --> 00:06:46,346\n我要特別提醒你你提出來的這個183億的一個補貼那你有24億你要用在金融上的一個補貼好回過頭來我特別提醒你我的蝴蝶蘭我的蝴蝶蘭幾乎就是團滅啊\n\n19\n00:06:47,984 --> 00:07:10,504\n你看他這樣子他面對的他最大的一個對手他的越南還有就是說他的這個荷蘭幾乎都是毫無招架之力我們不然是零關稅嘛現在10%對業者來講其實是個蠻大的壓力在所以市長你有把握是10%嗎那你有把握說在這個90天以後而不是\n\n20\n00:07:11,545 --> 00:07:37,966\n還是維持10%不管怎麼樣對我們來講一定有影響所以我們的蘭花業者包括我們做很多農產品的業者我們一定要讓他第一個要渡過這個難關所以藉著金融支持第二個一定要提升體質讓他可以永續經營到底第一年就是免稅他所有借的免利息不是免稅免利息就是第一年的免利息然後一個就是一個廠商我們提供五千萬五千萬的一個借貸這個有沒有確定\n\n21\n00:07:39,887 --> 00:07:57,842\n應該是這樣,我們一定要來金融支持,至少要讓他渡過這個難關我要很確定的,你們自己到地方去的都寫得很清楚每一副是五千萬,每一個廠商是五千萬利息減免一年就是非常確定的\n\n22\n00:07:59,824 --> 00:08:19,852\n一定要先讓這些就是我們所有的養殖戶還有就是我們所有的蘭花產業每一個人就是把信心先把它安定下來還有你的貿易商這個貿易商這個確實也是一個非常重要我們必須要就是有非常強大的一個信心喊話\n\n23\n00:08:21,893 --> 00:08:49,233\n我們現在農業支持希望貿易商不要給錢給辭變價所以我們有一個平台就是說如果真的碰到有刻意壓低價格一定要來通報我們來到處理所以我還是再重複的跟那個次長再講一次就是第一年的利息第一年的利息是免的還有就是我們每一戶最高的一個補貼額度是五千萬這個是絕對確定的對不對利息減免一定有然後讓他能夠有這個資金周轉這件事情也一定會有\n\n24\n00:08:50,214 --> 00:08:55,318\n最高的額度是五千萬啊你們自己寫得這麼清楚要認帳啊\n\n25\n00:08:58,636 --> 00:09:03,919\n要認賬好不好好謝謝委員謝謝市長我想就是說針對的就是說這個還請銷還制息產地的一個問題接著我要請問財政部長就是說部長有沒有機會針對這些商品的一個還請銷的一個標準你們最基本的一個判讀的標準到底是什麼\n\n26\n00:09:21,670 --> 00:09:49,793\n我們會有兩個第一個就是經濟部會做調查然後還有財政部也會調查分別就是第一個有沒有傾銷的事實第二個有沒有對國內產業造成實質的損害這兩個一定要確認以後然後送到我們關稅審議小組裡面來做確認好我想這個非常的明確啦非常的明確那你們也一直就是說一直這樣子的開始著力的在調查了\n\n27\n00:09:51,194 --> 00:10:10,307\n這進行了嗎是的目前來說跟剛剛報告就是有的已經課徵了反傾銷稅就在我們的報告裡面有八件那另外有兩件目前正在調查中就是大陸產製的進口啤酒還有特定的熱壓扁壓鋼瓶在進行反傾銷的調查中是\n\n28\n00:10:11,589 --> 00:10:22,735\n所以就是說這兩個這兩個就是特別你提出來的還在調查就是麥芽的那個釀造的一個啤酒還有就是那個特定的那個熱壓扁壓的一個鋼瓶我想這幾個產品我們就是說這兩個樣態的一個產品你們必須要就是用最高的一個謹慎的一個態度不然台灣的產業真的都會倒啊\n\n29\n00:10:36,983 --> 00:10:37,143\n尤其是農業會先倒\n\n30\n00:10:41,796 --> 00:11:06,184\n所以這個是大家最擔心的以後我們可能吃不到就是最好最平價的台灣米我們會吃到了可能就是米糕米米喔這個是跟我民生息息相關的萬一我們也吃不到最便宜的就是最便宜的這些我們台灣所生產的這些農產品所以部長請加油是謝謝委員我想這個盤錦蕭調查我們會加速的處理是謝謝委員好謝謝\n\n31\n00:11:11,670 --> 00:11:11,952\n好謝謝賴委員謝謝部長謝謝次長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5337\t10821\t謝謝主席有請財政部部長還有經濟部農業部次長請財政部莊部長以及經濟部和農業部的兩位次長\n19935\t48870\t是 三位早安 早安我們針對的就是川普總統在這一波的一個關稅關稅的一個議題其實我們很普遍在網路上有一個美國解放日他就講說川普不會讓任何的一個地方排除在外跟美國的一個對等關稅的一個議題排除在外甚至就是說攔戟的這個企業它也是一樣\n49950\t64183\t也是一樣所以就是說在這麼嚴重的一個對等關稅的一個問題裡頭然後又有這麼多的一個不確定性川普他可能今天早上講了到了中午以後又改了\n64924\t90173\t好這個美國解放日不讓任何一個地方排除在外那我們在上週五我們的卓院長也講到了我們事前的一個預防事前的一個預防然後就是事中的一個嚴查事後的一個嚴華那他特別強調台灣不能成為世界貿易的一個破口當然我想就是台灣將\n91973\t110100\t嚴謹的一個預防稀產地NIT就是NIT所以我們要啟動還請銷的一個調查這個毋庸置疑當然我們都可以看到政府的一個決心但在這裡我要請教經濟部次長次長你剛才針對的就是\n112386\t137189\t郭國文委員的這個小兒包裹就是說我們知道這個小兒包裹長期其實我可以這樣講啊長期就是說我們的關務署施上一直認為說這個小兒的包裹就是說在財政委員會裡頭有很多的委員不斷的一個質詢可是顯然你們沒有把這個事情看到非常的一個嚴重啊\n137990\t158893\t那美國川普總統他在4月9號簽署的一個行政命令他講說從中國進口價值800美元的這個以下的小額包裹他加徵關稅從貨值的30%增到90%那甚至港媒的一個報導他措施是在5月2號\n160114\t176923\t那個生效就是等於是香港的也一樣生效那台灣的呢剛才你跟郭委員講你說淘寶就是才華改正還有惠子許可甚至必要的時候撤資你有沒有這樣子的一個決定呢\n179203\t206689\t報告委員其實我們在二月份已經找了國內的相關的電商平台電商平台非常的樂意跟政府來配合因為我們經濟部對於相關有一千多項的這個產品都有規定要因時檢驗所以電商平台現在已經跟我們的經濟部有做連線任何進口的產品好市長如果他不配合的時候必要的時候有沒有辦法撤資你有沒有這樣的一個決心呢\n207964\t235854\t我跟你講你如果不撤它的話我們國內很多零售業就是會先被撤了那經濟部一個這個監督我們全國經濟的這個部門那如果這樣子放任不作為的話我相信這個台灣的社會其實基本上是會非常非常的有更大的一個反撲對於淘寶在台灣因為他所從事的廣告業務跟他所登記的項目不一樣\n236653\t257267\t我剛才有跟委員報告我們已經給予裁罰然後命期改正如果他不改正的話我們就會進行撤資的動作這個部分已經通知了該公司所以期限到什麼時候目前的話期限還沒有到期限到什麼時候在今年的上半年上半年6月30號\n260077\t282171\t這個確切的日期容我回去再去好 會後給資料好不好好 接著我們請那個次長你請回我接著請那個杜次長杜次長我想就是說針對的這個台灣的一個那個就是是不是會變為一個息產地那其實我們比較擔心的農業的一個議題那相對的就是說我先從這個吳國瑜來講起\n284272\t304572\t那吳國瑜其實現階段我們看不到他大概要五個月可能到了八九月的時候他現在剛剛放苗下去那有沒有一個比較好的方式因為顯然就是說中國一定會利用利用台灣來洗產地你們有沒有什麼比較積極的一個作為呢\n305793\t327923\t謝謝委員關心因為農業是我們最重要的一個產業吳國瑜剛提到吳國瑜現在都在放苗而已所以我們有要做養殖登記放養登記這是第一點那第二點其實就接下來要出去的這個部分一定要加強溯源包括它的流向跟到最終的產品這個我們都會來做對溯源還有就是產地放多少\n332745\t353734\t所以除了這些以外有沒有比較一個積極的一個方式就是說你的這個產品的一個這個檢驗的一個機制我們看到了那你驗收就是查驗加工廠的一個進出口量還有你要提高中國的水產品的一個關稅但這些有沒有辦法做到呢\n355074\t368645\t就進口的部分其實當然在邊境包括海關包括我們還包括衛福部他說那個殘留檢驗第二個是在我們國內生產的部分從源頭剛從放養要去做登錄到最終產品要去注意那委員在\n370406\t387557\t檢報上面提到的這個如果能不能透過其他的檢驗包括來源的DNA標示或是同位素我覺得這個農業部要做這些檢測都完全會這個完全沒有問題啊我們有幾個行啊包括茶葉啦 五齡啦但是我跟你講你的茶葉這個也沒有問題\n389057\t406346\t我要特別提醒你 你提出來的這個183億的一個補貼那你有24億你要用在金融上的一個補貼好 回過頭來我特別提醒你 我的蝴蝶蘭我的蝴蝶蘭幾乎就是團滅啊\n407984\t430504\t你看他這樣子他面對的他最大的一個對手他的越南還有就是說他的這個荷蘭幾乎都是毫無招架之力我們不然是零關稅嘛現在10%對業者來講其實是個蠻大的壓力在所以市長你有把握是10%嗎那你有把握說在這個90天以後而不是\n431545\t457966\t還是維持10%不管怎麼樣對我們來講一定有影響所以我們的蘭花業者包括我們做很多農產品的業者我們一定要讓他第一個要渡過這個難關所以藉著金融支持第二個一定要提升體質讓他可以永續經營到底第一年就是免稅他所有借的免利息不是免稅免利息就是第一年的免利息然後一個就是一個廠商我們提供五千萬五千萬的一個借貸這個有沒有確定\n459887\t477842\t應該是這樣,我們一定要來金融支持,至少要讓他渡過這個難關我要很確定的,你們自己到地方去的都寫得很清楚每一副是五千萬,每一個廠商是五千萬利息減免一年就是非常確定的\n479824\t499852\t一定要先讓這些就是我們所有的養殖戶還有就是我們所有的蘭花產業每一個人就是把信心先把它安定下來還有你的貿易商這個貿易商這個確實也是一個非常重要我們必須要就是有非常強大的一個信心喊話\n501893\t529233\t我們現在農業支持希望貿易商不要給錢給辭變價所以我們有一個平台就是說如果真的碰到有刻意壓低價格一定要來通報我們來到處理所以我還是再重複的跟那個次長再講一次就是第一年的利息第一年的利息是免的還有就是我們每一戶最高的一個補貼額度是五千萬這個是絕對確定的對不對利息減免一定有然後讓他能夠有這個資金周轉這件事情也一定會有\n530214\t535318\t最高的額度是五千萬啊你們自己寫得這麼清楚要認帳啊\n538636\t543919\t要認賬好不好好謝謝委員謝謝市長我想就是說針對的就是說這個還請銷還制息產地的一個問題接著我要請問財政部長就是說部長有沒有機會針對這些商品的一個還請銷的一個標準你們最基本的一個判讀的標準到底是什麼\n561670\t589793\t我們會有兩個第一個就是經濟部會做調查然後還有財政部也會調查分別就是第一個有沒有傾銷的事實第二個有沒有對國內產業造成實質的損害這兩個一定要確認以後然後送到我們關稅審議小組裡面來做確認好我想這個非常的明確啦非常的明確那你們也一直就是說一直這樣子的開始著力的在調查了\n591194\t610307\t這進行了嗎是的 目前來說跟剛剛報告就是有的已經課徵了反傾銷稅就在我們的報告裡面有八件那另外有兩件目前正在調查中就是大陸產製的進口啤酒還有特定的熱壓扁壓鋼瓶在進行反傾銷的調查中是\n611589\t622735\t所以就是說這兩個這兩個就是特別你提出來的還在調查就是麥芽的那個釀造的一個啤酒還有就是那個特定的那個熱壓扁壓的一個鋼瓶我想這幾個產品我們就是說這兩個樣態的一個產品你們必須要就是用最高的一個謹慎的一個態度不然台灣的產業真的都會倒啊\n636983\t637143\t尤其是農業會先倒\n641796\t666184\t所以這個是大家最擔心的以後我們可能吃不到就是最好最平價的台灣米我們會吃到了可能就是米糕米米喔這個是跟我民生息息相關的萬一我們也吃不到最便宜的就是最便宜的這些我們台灣所生產的這些農產品所以部長請加油是 謝謝委員我想這個盤錦蕭調查我們會加速的處理是 謝謝委員好 謝謝\n671670\t671952\t好 謝謝賴委員 謝謝部長 謝謝次長\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請財政部部長還有經濟部農業部次長請財政部莊部長以及經濟部和農業部的兩位次長\n是 三位早安 早安我們針對的就是川普總統在這一波的一個關稅關稅的一個議題其實我們很普遍在網路上有一個美國解放日他就講說川普不會讓任何的一個地方排除在外跟美國的一個對等關稅的一個議題排除在外甚至就是說攔戟的這個企業它也是一樣\n也是一樣所以就是說在這麼嚴重的一個對等關稅的一個問題裡頭然後又有這麼多的一個不確定性川普他可能今天早上講了到了中午以後又改了\n好這個美國解放日不讓任何一個地方排除在外那我們在上週五我們的卓院長也講到了我們事前的一個預防事前的一個預防然後就是事中的一個嚴查事後的一個嚴華那他特別強調台灣不能成為世界貿易的一個破口當然我想就是台灣將\n嚴謹的一個預防稀產地NIT就是NIT所以我們要啟動還請銷的一個調查這個毋庸置疑當然我們都可以看到政府的一個決心但在這裡我要請教經濟部次長次長你剛才針對的就是\n郭國文委員的這個小兒包裹就是說我們知道這個小兒包裹長期其實我可以這樣講啊長期就是說我們的關務署施上一直認為說這個小兒的包裹就是說在財政委員會裡頭有很多的委員不斷的一個質詢可是顯然你們沒有把這個事情看到非常的一個嚴重啊\n那美國川普總統他在4月9號簽署的一個行政命令他講說從中國進口價值800美元的這個以下的小額包裹他加徵關稅從貨值的30%增到90%那甚至港媒的一個報導他措施是在5月2號\n那個生效就是等於是香港的也一樣生效那台灣的呢剛才你跟郭委員講你說淘寶就是才華改正還有惠子許可甚至必要的時候撤資你有沒有這樣子的一個決定呢\n報告委員其實我們在二月份已經找了國內的相關的電商平台電商平台非常的樂意跟政府來配合因為我們經濟部對於相關有一千多項的這個產品都有規定要因時檢驗所以電商平台現在已經跟我們的經濟部有做連線任何進口的產品好市長如果他不配合的時候必要的時候有沒有辦法撤資你有沒有這樣的一個決心呢\n我跟你講你如果不撤它的話我們國內很多零售業就是會先被撤了那經濟部一個這個監督我們全國經濟的這個部門那如果這樣子放任不作為的話我相信這個台灣的社會其實基本上是會非常非常的有更大的一個反撲對於淘寶在台灣因為他所從事的廣告業務跟他所登記的項目不一樣\n我剛才有跟委員報告我們已經給予裁罰然後命期改正如果他不改正的話我們就會進行撤資的動作這個部分已經通知了該公司所以期限到什麼時候目前的話期限還沒有到期限到什麼時候在今年的上半年上半年6月30號\n這個確切的日期容我回去再去好 會後給資料好不好好 接著我們請那個次長你請回我接著請那個杜次長杜次長我想就是說針對的這個台灣的一個那個就是是不是會變為一個息產地那其實我們比較擔心的農業的一個議題那相對的就是說我先從這個吳國瑜來講起\n那吳國瑜其實現階段我們看不到他大概要五個月可能到了八九月的時候他現在剛剛放苗下去那有沒有一個比較好的方式因為顯然就是說中國一定會利用利用台灣來洗產地你們有沒有什麼比較積極的一個作為呢\n謝謝委員關心因為農業是我們最重要的一個產業吳國瑜剛提到吳國瑜現在都在放苗而已所以我們有要做養殖登記放養登記這是第一點那第二點其實就接下來要出去的這個部分一定要加強溯源包括它的流向跟到最終的產品這個我們都會來做對溯源還有就是產地放多少\n所以除了這些以外有沒有比較一個積極的一個方式就是說你的這個產品的一個這個檢驗的一個機制我們看到了那你驗收就是查驗加工廠的一個進出口量還有你要提高中國的水產品的一個關稅但這些有沒有辦法做到呢\n就進口的部分其實當然在邊境包括海關包括我們還包括衛福部他說那個殘留檢驗第二個是在我們國內生產的部分從源頭剛從放養要去做登錄到最終產品要去注意那委員在\n檢報上面提到的這個如果能不能透過其他的檢驗包括來源的DNA標示或是同位素我覺得這個農業部要做這些檢測都完全會這個完全沒有問題啊我們有幾個行啊包括茶葉啦 五齡啦但是我跟你講你的茶葉這個也沒有問題\n我要特別提醒你 你提出來的這個183億的一個補貼那你有24億你要用在金融上的一個補貼好 回過頭來我特別提醒你 我的蝴蝶蘭我的蝴蝶蘭幾乎就是團滅啊\n你看他這樣子他面對的他最大的一個對手他的越南還有就是說他的這個荷蘭幾乎都是毫無招架之力我們不然是零關稅嘛現在10%對業者來講其實是個蠻大的壓力在所以市長你有把握是10%嗎那你有把握說在這個90天以後而不是\n還是維持10%不管怎麼樣對我們來講一定有影響所以我們的蘭花業者包括我們做很多農產品的業者我們一定要讓他第一個要渡過這個難關所以藉著金融支持第二個一定要提升體質讓他可以永續經營到底第一年就是免稅他所有借的免利息不是免稅免利息就是第一年的免利息然後一個就是一個廠商我們提供五千萬五千萬的一個借貸這個有沒有確定\n應該是這樣,我們一定要來金融支持,至少要讓他渡過這個難關我要很確定的,你們自己到地方去的都寫得很清楚每一副是五千萬,每一個廠商是五千萬利息減免一年就是非常確定的\n一定要先讓這些就是我們所有的養殖戶還有就是我們所有的蘭花產業每一個人就是把信心先把它安定下來還有你的貿易商這個貿易商這個確實也是一個非常重要我們必須要就是有非常強大的一個信心喊話\n我們現在農業支持希望貿易商不要給錢給辭變價所以我們有一個平台就是說如果真的碰到有刻意壓低價格一定要來通報我們來到處理所以我還是再重複的跟那個次長再講一次就是第一年的利息第一年的利息是免的還有就是我們每一戶最高的一個補貼額度是五千萬這個是絕對確定的對不對利息減免一定有然後讓他能夠有這個資金周轉這件事情也一定會有\n最高的額度是五千萬啊你們自己寫得這麼清楚要認帳啊\n要認賬好不好好謝謝委員謝謝市長我想就是說針對的就是說這個還請銷還制息產地的一個問題接著我要請問財政部長就是說部長有沒有機會針對這些商品的一個還請銷的一個標準你們最基本的一個判讀的標準到底是什麼\n我們會有兩個第一個就是經濟部會做調查然後還有財政部也會調查分別就是第一個有沒有傾銷的事實第二個有沒有對國內產業造成實質的損害這兩個一定要確認以後然後送到我們關稅審議小組裡面來做確認好我想這個非常的明確啦非常的明確那你們也一直就是說一直這樣子的開始著力的在調查了\n這進行了嗎是的 目前來說跟剛剛報告就是有的已經課徵了反傾銷稅就在我們的報告裡面有八件那另外有兩件目前正在調查中就是大陸產製的進口啤酒還有特定的熱壓扁壓鋼瓶在進行反傾銷的調查中是\n所以就是說這兩個這兩個就是特別你提出來的還在調查就是麥芽的那個釀造的一個啤酒還有就是那個特定的那個熱壓扁壓的一個鋼瓶我想這幾個產品我們就是說這兩個樣態的一個產品你們必須要就是用最高的一個謹慎的一個態度不然台灣的產業真的都會倒啊\n尤其是農業會先倒\n所以這個是大家最擔心的以後我們可能吃不到就是最好最平價的台灣米我們會吃到了可能就是米糕米米喔這個是跟我民生息息相關的萬一我們也吃不到最便宜的就是最便宜的這些我們台灣所生產的這些農產品所以部長請加油是 謝謝委員我想這個盤錦蕭調查我們會加速的處理是 謝謝委員好 謝謝\n好 謝謝賴委員 謝謝部長 謝謝次長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.337 --> 00:10.821\n謝謝主席有請財政部部長還有經濟部農業部次長請財政部莊部長以及經濟部和農業部的兩位次長\n\n00:19.935 --> 00:48.870\n是三位早安早安我們針對的就是川普總統在這一波的一個關稅關稅的一個議題其實我們很普遍在網路上有一個美國解放日他就講說川普不會讓任何的一個地方排除在外跟美國的一個對等關稅的一個議題排除在外甚至就是說攔戟的這個企業它也是一樣\n\n00:49.950 --> 01:04.183\n也是一樣所以就是說在這麼嚴重的一個對等關稅的一個問題裡頭然後又有這麼多的一個不確定性川普他可能今天早上講了到了中午以後又改了\n\n01:04.924 --> 01:30.173\n好這個美國解放日不讓任何一個地方排除在外那我們在上週五我們的卓院長也講到了我們事前的一個預防事前的一個預防然後就是事中的一個嚴查事後的一個嚴華那他特別強調台灣不能成為世界貿易的一個破口當然我想就是台灣將\n\n01:31.973 --> 01:50.100\n嚴謹的一個預防稀產地NIT就是NIT所以我們要啟動還請銷的一個調查這個毋庸置疑當然我們都可以看到政府的一個決心但在這裡我要請教經濟部次長次長你剛才針對的就是\n\n01:52.386 --> 02:17.189\n郭國文委員的這個小兒包裹就是說我們知道這個小兒包裹長期其實我可以這樣講啊長期就是說我們的關務署施上一直認為說這個小兒的包裹就是說在財政委員會裡頭有很多的委員不斷的一個質詢可是顯然你們沒有把這個事情看到非常的一個嚴重啊\n\n02:17.990 --> 02:38.893\n那美國川普總統他在4月9號簽署的一個行政命令他講說從中國進口價值800美元的這個以下的小額包裹他加徵關稅從貨值的30%增到90%那甚至港媒的一個報導他措施是在5月2號\n\n02:40.114 --> 02:56.923\n那個生效就是等於是香港的也一樣生效那台灣的呢剛才你跟郭委員講你說淘寶就是才華改正還有惠子許可甚至必要的時候撤資你有沒有這樣子的一個決定呢\n\n02:59.203 --> 03:26.689\n報告委員其實我們在二月份已經找了國內的相關的電商平台電商平台非常的樂意跟政府來配合因為我們經濟部對於相關有一千多項的這個產品都有規定要因時檢驗所以電商平台現在已經跟我們的經濟部有做連線任何進口的產品好市長如果他不配合的時候必要的時候有沒有辦法撤資你有沒有這樣的一個決心呢\n\n03:27.964 --> 03:55.854\n我跟你講你如果不撤它的話我們國內很多零售業就是會先被撤了那經濟部一個這個監督我們全國經濟的這個部門那如果這樣子放任不作為的話我相信這個台灣的社會其實基本上是會非常非常的有更大的一個反撲對於淘寶在台灣因為他所從事的廣告業務跟他所登記的項目不一樣\n\n03:56.653 --> 04:17.267\n我剛才有跟委員報告我們已經給予裁罰然後命期改正如果他不改正的話我們就會進行撤資的動作這個部分已經通知了該公司所以期限到什麼時候目前的話期限還沒有到期限到什麼時候在今年的上半年上半年6月30號\n\n04:20.077 --> 04:42.171\n這個確切的日期容我回去再去好會後給資料好不好好接著我們請那個次長你請回我接著請那個杜次長杜次長我想就是說針對的這個台灣的一個那個就是是不是會變為一個息產地那其實我們比較擔心的農業的一個議題那相對的就是說我先從這個吳國瑜來講起\n\n04:44.272 --> 05:04.572\n那吳國瑜其實現階段我們看不到他大概要五個月可能到了八九月的時候他現在剛剛放苗下去那有沒有一個比較好的方式因為顯然就是說中國一定會利用利用台灣來洗產地你們有沒有什麼比較積極的一個作為呢\n\n05:05.793 --> 05:27.923\n謝謝委員關心因為農業是我們最重要的一個產業吳國瑜剛提到吳國瑜現在都在放苗而已所以我們有要做養殖登記放養登記這是第一點那第二點其實就接下來要出去的這個部分一定要加強溯源包括它的流向跟到最終的產品這個我們都會來做對溯源還有就是產地放多少\n\n05:32.745 --> 05:53.734\n所以除了這些以外有沒有比較一個積極的一個方式就是說你的這個產品的一個這個檢驗的一個機制我們看到了那你驗收就是查驗加工廠的一個進出口量還有你要提高中國的水產品的一個關稅但這些有沒有辦法做到呢\n\n05:55.074 --> 06:08.645\n就進口的部分其實當然在邊境包括海關包括我們還包括衛福部他說那個殘留檢驗第二個是在我們國內生產的部分從源頭剛從放養要去做登錄到最終產品要去注意那委員在\n\n06:10.406 --> 06:27.557\n檢報上面提到的這個如果能不能透過其他的檢驗包括來源的DNA標示或是同位素我覺得這個農業部要做這些檢測都完全會這個完全沒有問題啊我們有幾個行啊包括茶葉啦五齡啦但是我跟你講你的茶葉這個也沒有問題\n\n06:29.057 --> 06:46.346\n我要特別提醒你你提出來的這個183億的一個補貼那你有24億你要用在金融上的一個補貼好回過頭來我特別提醒你我的蝴蝶蘭我的蝴蝶蘭幾乎就是團滅啊\n\n06:47.984 --> 07:10.504\n你看他這樣子他面對的他最大的一個對手他的越南還有就是說他的這個荷蘭幾乎都是毫無招架之力我們不然是零關稅嘛現在10%對業者來講其實是個蠻大的壓力在所以市長你有把握是10%嗎那你有把握說在這個90天以後而不是\n\n07:11.545 --> 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