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00:02:52,516\n那軍人他當然跟公教人員不一樣可是呢軍人其實比公教人員某些時候來說還要更加的辛苦那我們在想說國軍的這個貸款專案還有這個信貸專案那為什麼我們的福利挨了這麼大劫那這難道就是說這對國軍來說有公平嗎所以這個是我們的訴求我想要先請我們顧部長先針對這個部分來做回應主計局\n\n8\n00:02:54,755 --> 00:03:18,748\n委員好我是主席局局長剛剛委員提到不管是房屋貸款或是信用貸款的利率國軍的相關的專案可能比公教導人員這邊來得高我這邊要先說明一個就是利率的決定基本上是乘坐銀行就他乘坐對象的一個風險他會做審慎的評估一開始國軍在做這個相關貸款的時候利率是有\n\n9\n00:03:19,488 --> 00:03:41,213\n跟這個比較低但是隨著這幾年來銀行在承作國軍相關不管是各階層軍官士官士兵他在做承帶的時候他發現他的風險他是有差異性的所以他就在這個利率上他就會去墊高那因為公教人員他相對的穩定所以他的風險會比較低所以他的利率\n\n10\n00:03:42,513 --> 00:04:11,330\n這是國防部的這個責任啊你懂我意思嗎就是你們不能說你叫國軍貸款專案那你就不要設專案就好了你直接讓他去外面城堡就好啦你直接外面去信貸就好啦那你為什麼要用國軍貸款專案呢你這個國軍貸款專案是讓國軍認為說我用這個專案可以比外面一般的民眾我們去貸款或者是說我們借利率的時候是比一般的民眾來的更加的優惠嘛\n\n11\n00:04:11,750 --> 00:04:40,203\n那你这样讲的话优惠与否看起来就没有啊所以这不是我们现在帮官兵争取福利是国防部的责任吗那我们什么时候好我这边我就问部长好了好不好因为主席已经说得很清楚了那我想要问一下我们是不是能够尽快跟五间银行去协商净利净速的调降部分的利率至少你要跟公教人员作为短期的目标是不是能够达成或者是说您知不支持这样的方案\n\n12\n00:04:41,396 --> 00:04:53,415\n我會後了解以後我們再來跟相關的銀行來做訪問那我要問的是說布朗您對於這樣子的方案或是我的想法來說的話你是支持與否\n\n13\n00:04:55,228 --> 00:05:18,196\n呃我們呃當然要看他的尤其在信用貸款的部分他的基礎是什麼那我們了解以後好那如果是以我剛剛所說的就是說國軍跟公教人員他們的尤其是信用貸款的部分那差額非常大的話是不是可以請這個國防部盡可能的去爭取我們可以看到像以圖銀的部分那可以呃\n\n14\n00:05:19,156 --> 00:05:33,973\n能夠向2.2左右往下調一些讓我們的軍官不要覺得說人家公教人員的這個福利都比較好我們軍人的福利都比較差這是希望我們的這個國防部可以去做的那第二個部分\n\n15\n00:05:34,133 --> 00:05:47,871\n也跟金錢有關就是急難貸款剛才大家都在講到這個共諜的各種這個事情什麼占比多少等等我就不再說了其中呢你們都有說明說呢中共他們利用黑道幫派地下錢莊掩護一些什麼樣的這個團體等等的\n\n16\n00:05:51,616 --> 00:06:13,114\n去接觸有財務缺口的基層官兵那以金錢利誘債務拼付的方式然後進行滲透那這個就是你們之前就有在說明的可是我們看一下公教人員他們根據中央公教人員的急難貸款實施要點裡面他有一個1.695%的這個利率利息然後還有總額上限120萬的低額度到手的急難貸款服務那請問我們國軍呢\n\n17\n00:06:21,208 --> 00:06:36,499\n我們現在已經有一個報一個案子上去到行政院那邊了就是也是一個緊按貸款的一個方案那麼也是比照這個公交人員的比照公交人員對對那現在\n\n18\n00:06:38,380 --> 00:06:53,331\n行政院還在跟行政院溝通當中那我想要問一下就是說比較公教人員但公教人員比較沒有所謂的被滲透的這個風險有沒有可能國防部爭取在利率跟上限金額上面再比公教人員高一點\n\n19\n00:06:55,487 --> 00:07:09,345\n因為兩種還是說國軍跟公教人員還是不太一樣那他如果今天是急難救助你是說金額還是說利率這個是那個我們看的是急難急難貸款的部分所以他碰到急難\n\n20\n00:07:09,926 --> 00:07:31,520\n代款的时候军公教人员他有这个利率跟上限金额的部分嘛那我是想要问说上限金额跟利率的部分是否有机会比公教人员来的更高一点点比如说我们的利息变低然后我们的上限金额变高有没有可能不只是像公教人员一样而是能够再往上提高一点点\n\n21\n00:07:31,900 --> 00:07:36,124\n因為畢竟你們都講了說這個中共利用等等的然後財務缺口然後進行滲透所以如果說我們今天要讓我們有財務缺口的這些軍官能夠可以有一個急難救助金然後去借款的話那他就比較不容易在這個部分就被滲透掉\n\n22\n00:07:52,680 --> 00:08:17,224\n所以呢照理來說我們應該國軍在上限金額跟利率上要比公交人員來得高因為國軍跟公交人員比起來國軍被滲透的可能性也比較高風險比較高所以我在這一點上面我是希望能夠替國軍爭取說他們的急難貸款裡面上限金額提高比公交人員高利率能夠比公交人員低我不曉得在這個部分我們部長有沒有可能\n\n23\n00:08:17,344 --> 00:08:35,515\n跟委員報告因為就我的理解它有不同的類別有傷病醫護傷臟災害育嬰產後護理長期照護等等然後還有一個小額紓困那我們現在還在各個最高的金額跟相關的利率我們還在跟行政院我知道你說還在討論\n\n24\n00:08:36,756 --> 00:08:51,613\n但是我想要問的問題其實很簡單我們報給行政院再更新報給行政院的時候我們可不可以那在這個部分我們盡可能的去爭取就是說因為國軍的特殊性所以呢他在上限金額就各類型的啦因為我就不一定\n\n25\n00:08:52,253 --> 00:09:09,180\n唯一列舉的話每個都要問很麻煩嘛上限金額跟利率的部分我們可以比公教人員還要來的優惠那就是因為他的軍隊的國軍的這個特殊性的關係那希望這個部分我們國防部可以來跟行政院再去做更多的爭取\n\n26\n00:09:09,540 --> 00:09:34,538\n那我認為這個對我們的國安相關的這個所謂反滲透的方式也會有一些的幫助或許不一定真的很多但是我覺得會有幫助因為比起現在都不是就是沒有的狀況來說我覺得呢會比較好一些所以這一點是不是在拜託郭義雄部長能夠幫國軍爭取權益相關金額跟利率的部分我們再跟主席總書做一個討論好好好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n769\t3790\t謝謝主席 我們有請顧部長有請顧部長 是薛恩好部長好那部長您曾經過去擔任過金管會的主委我想先請教一下一般我們在信用狀況正常的民眾那他到銀行去辦理無擔保的信用貸款我們一般利率大概會是多少\n28929\t44087\t我已經沒有在金管會很久了我已經在國安會都待了四年了那現在又在國安部待了快一年了我想你先問我金管會的事情那沒事沒事這個小事情大概是3%左右我們這個查核嘛\n44688\t64683\t那么呢好因为我今天要跟您讨论的是说我们的国军贷款专案这件事情我们可以看一下这张图虽然字有一点点小但是呢我们看到左边呢叫做国军的贷款专案也就是国军辅导理财专案贷款合作的行库跟何代利率的比较表\n65143\t90106\t那他其實一共有五家的銀行配合那右邊的是軍公教他的福利事項比較表那行政院的人事總署網站有公告房貸他們是用台銀信貸是用土銀承作所以我們就先拿這兩家來做比較就是國軍的部分跟軍公教的部分我們來做比較那因為國軍總共五家那我們拿這兩家來跟公教人員去做比較\n91067\t115425\t那我們呢可以看到台銀在房貸的部分大概國軍還多公教人員0.1%個百分點算是能夠與公教人員一致但是我們實際去走訪了最近去買房貸的這個官兵他們表示說這張表的房貸並沒有比外面的銀行低那所以呢他認為這個國軍貸款專案那感覺沒有什麼特殊的用處\n116866\t140752\t最后呢这些人他们也都选了专案之外的这些公股银行作为他们的这个房贷选择那信用那这是第一个那部长等一下先帮我记一下再请您一次回复那信用贷款的部分呢就非常惊人因为以国均专案当中两间银行最高的信贷比率高达3.764%是公教人员利率的2.205%那等于是大概1.7倍左右\n146553\t172516\t那軍人他當然跟公教人員不一樣可是呢軍人其實比公教人員某些時候來說還要更加的辛苦那我們在想說國軍的這個貸款專案還有這個信貸專案那為什麼我們的福利挨了這麼大劫那這難道就是說這對國軍來說有公平嗎所以這個是我們的訴求我想要先請我們顧部長先針對這個部分來做回應主計局\n174755\t198748\t委員好 我是主席局局長剛剛委員提到不管是房屋貸款或是信用貸款的利率國軍的相關的專案可能比公教導人員這邊來得高我這邊要先說明一個就是利率的決定基本上是乘坐銀行就他乘坐對象的一個風險他會做審慎的評估一開始國軍在做這個相關貸款的時候利率是有\n199488\t221213\t跟這個比較低但是隨著這幾年來銀行在承作國軍相關不管是各階層軍官士官士兵他在做承帶的時候他發現他的風險他是有差異性的所以他就在這個利率上他就會去墊高那因為公教人員他相對的穩定所以他的風險會比較低所以他的利率\n222513\t251330\t這是國防部的這個責任啊你懂我意思嗎就是你們不能說你叫國軍貸款專案那你就不要設專案就好了你直接讓他去外面城堡就好啦你直接外面去信貸就好啦那你為什麼要用國軍貸款專案呢你這個國軍貸款專案是讓國軍認為說我用這個專案可以比外面一般的民眾我們去貸款或者是說我們借利率的時候是比一般的民眾來的更加的優惠嘛\n251750\t280203\t那你这样讲的话优惠与否看起来就没有啊所以这不是我们现在帮官兵争取福利是国防部的责任吗那我们什么时候好我这边我就问部长好了好不好因为主席已经说得很清楚了那我想要问一下我们是不是能够尽快跟五间银行去协商净利净速的调降部分的利率至少你要跟公教人员作为短期的目标是不是能够达成或者是说您知不支持这样的方案\n281396\t293415\t我會後了解以後我們再來跟相關的銀行來做訪問那我要問的是說布朗您對於這樣子的方案或是我的想法來說的話你是支持與否\n295228\t318196\t呃我們呃當然要看他的尤其在信用貸款的部分他的基礎是什麼那我們了解以後好那如果是以我剛剛所說的就是說國軍跟公教人員他們的尤其是信用貸款的部分那差額非常大的話是不是可以請這個國防部盡可能的去爭取我們可以看到像以圖銀的部分那可以呃\n319156\t333973\t能夠向2.2左右往下調一些讓我們的軍官不要覺得說人家公教人員的這個福利都比較好我們軍人的福利都比較差這是希望我們的這個國防部可以去做的那第二個部分\n334133\t347871\t也跟金錢有關就是急難貸款剛才大家都在講到這個共諜的各種這個事情什麼占比多少等等我就不再說了其中呢你們都有說明說呢中共他們利用黑道幫派地下錢莊掩護一些什麼樣的這個團體等等的\n351616\t373114\t去接觸有財務缺口的基層官兵那以金錢利誘債務拼付的方式然後進行滲透那這個就是你們之前就有在說明的可是我們看一下公教人員他們根據中央公教人員的急難貸款實施要點裡面他有一個1.695%的這個利率利息然後還有總額上限120萬的低額度到手的急難貸款服務那請問我們國軍呢\n381208\t396499\t我們現在已經有一個報一個案子上去到行政院那邊了就是也是一個緊按貸款的一個方案那麼也是比照這個公交人員的比照公交人員對對那現在\n398380\t413331\t行政院還在跟行政院溝通當中那我想要問一下就是說比較公教人員但公教人員比較沒有所謂的被滲透的這個風險有沒有可能國防部爭取在利率跟上限金額上面再比公教人員高一點\n415487\t429345\t因為兩種還是說國軍跟公教人員還是不太一樣那他如果今天是急難救助你是說金額還是說利率這個是那個我們看的是急難急難貸款的部分所以他碰到急難\n429926\t451520\t代款的时候军公教人员他有这个利率跟上限金额的部分嘛那我是想要问说上限金额跟利率的部分是否有机会比公教人员来的更高一点点比如说我们的利息变低然后我们的上限金额变高有没有可能不只是像公教人员一样而是能够再往上提高一点点\n451900\t456124\t因為畢竟你們都講了說這個中共利用等等的然後財務缺口然後進行滲透所以如果說我們今天要讓我們有財務缺口的這些軍官能夠可以有一個急難救助金然後去借款的話那他就比較不容易在這個部分就被滲透掉\n472680\t497224\t所以呢照理來說我們應該國軍在上限金額跟利率上要比公交人員來得高因為國軍跟公交人員比起來國軍被滲透的可能性也比較高風險比較高所以我在這一點上面我是希望能夠替國軍爭取說他們的急難貸款裡面上限金額提高比公交人員高利率能夠比公交人員低我不曉得在這個部分我們部長有沒有可能\n497344\t515515\t跟委員報告因為就我的理解它有不同的類別有傷病醫護傷臟災害育嬰產後護理長期照護等等然後還有一個小額紓困那我們現在還在各個最高的金額跟相關的利率我們還在跟行政院我知道你說還在討論\n516756\t531613\t但是我想要問的問題其實很簡單我們報給行政院再更新報給行政院的時候我們可不可以那在這個部分我們盡可能的去爭取就是說因為國軍的特殊性所以呢他在上限金額就各類型的啦因為我就不一定\n532253\t549180\t唯一列舉的話每個都要問很麻煩嘛上限金額跟利率的部分我們可以比公教人員還要來的優惠那就是因為他的軍隊的國軍的這個特殊性的關係那希望這個部分我們國防部可以來跟行政院再去做更多的爭取\n549540\t574538\t那我認為這個對我們的國安相關的這個所謂反滲透的方式也會有一些的幫助或許不一定真的很多但是我覺得會有幫助因為比起現在都不是就是沒有的狀況來說我覺得呢會比較好一些所以這一點是不是在拜託郭義雄部長能夠幫國軍爭取權益相關金額跟利率的部分我們再跟主席總書做一個討論好好好謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們有請顧部長有請顧部長 是薛恩好部長好那部長您曾經過去擔任過金管會的主委我想先請教一下一般我們在信用狀況正常的民眾那他到銀行去辦理無擔保的信用貸款我們一般利率大概會是多少\n我已經沒有在金管會很久了我已經在國安會都待了四年了那現在又在國安部待了快一年了我想你先問我金管會的事情那沒事沒事這個小事情大概是3%左右我們這個查核嘛\n那么呢好因为我今天要跟您讨论的是说我们的国军贷款专案这件事情我们可以看一下这张图虽然字有一点点小但是呢我们看到左边呢叫做国军的贷款专案也就是国军辅导理财专案贷款合作的行库跟何代利率的比较表\n那他其實一共有五家的銀行配合那右邊的是軍公教他的福利事項比較表那行政院的人事總署網站有公告房貸他們是用台銀信貸是用土銀承作所以我們就先拿這兩家來做比較就是國軍的部分跟軍公教的部分我們來做比較那因為國軍總共五家那我們拿這兩家來跟公教人員去做比較\n那我們呢可以看到台銀在房貸的部分大概國軍還多公教人員0.1%個百分點算是能夠與公教人員一致但是我們實際去走訪了最近去買房貸的這個官兵他們表示說這張表的房貸並沒有比外面的銀行低那所以呢他認為這個國軍貸款專案那感覺沒有什麼特殊的用處\n最后呢这些人他们也都选了专案之外的这些公股银行作为他们的这个房贷选择那信用那这是第一个那部长等一下先帮我记一下再请您一次回复那信用贷款的部分呢就非常惊人因为以国均专案当中两间银行最高的信贷比率高达3.764%是公教人员利率的2.205%那等于是大概1.7倍左右\n那軍人他當然跟公教人員不一樣可是呢軍人其實比公教人員某些時候來說還要更加的辛苦那我們在想說國軍的這個貸款專案還有這個信貸專案那為什麼我們的福利挨了這麼大劫那這難道就是說這對國軍來說有公平嗎所以這個是我們的訴求我想要先請我們顧部長先針對這個部分來做回應主計局\n委員好 我是主席局局長剛剛委員提到不管是房屋貸款或是信用貸款的利率國軍的相關的專案可能比公教導人員這邊來得高我這邊要先說明一個就是利率的決定基本上是乘坐銀行就他乘坐對象的一個風險他會做審慎的評估一開始國軍在做這個相關貸款的時候利率是有\n跟這個比較低但是隨著這幾年來銀行在承作國軍相關不管是各階層軍官士官士兵他在做承帶的時候他發現他的風險他是有差異性的所以他就在這個利率上他就會去墊高那因為公教人員他相對的穩定所以他的風險會比較低所以他的利率\n這是國防部的這個責任啊你懂我意思嗎就是你們不能說你叫國軍貸款專案那你就不要設專案就好了你直接讓他去外面城堡就好啦你直接外面去信貸就好啦那你為什麼要用國軍貸款專案呢你這個國軍貸款專案是讓國軍認為說我用這個專案可以比外面一般的民眾我們去貸款或者是說我們借利率的時候是比一般的民眾來的更加的優惠嘛\n那你这样讲的话优惠与否看起来就没有啊所以这不是我们现在帮官兵争取福利是国防部的责任吗那我们什么时候好我这边我就问部长好了好不好因为主席已经说得很清楚了那我想要问一下我们是不是能够尽快跟五间银行去协商净利净速的调降部分的利率至少你要跟公教人员作为短期的目标是不是能够达成或者是说您知不支持这样的方案\n我會後了解以後我們再來跟相關的銀行來做訪問那我要問的是說布朗您對於這樣子的方案或是我的想法來說的話你是支持與否\n呃我們呃當然要看他的尤其在信用貸款的部分他的基礎是什麼那我們了解以後好那如果是以我剛剛所說的就是說國軍跟公教人員他們的尤其是信用貸款的部分那差額非常大的話是不是可以請這個國防部盡可能的去爭取我們可以看到像以圖銀的部分那可以呃\n能夠向2.2左右往下調一些讓我們的軍官不要覺得說人家公教人員的這個福利都比較好我們軍人的福利都比較差這是希望我們的這個國防部可以去做的那第二個部分\n也跟金錢有關就是急難貸款剛才大家都在講到這個共諜的各種這個事情什麼占比多少等等我就不再說了其中呢你們都有說明說呢中共他們利用黑道幫派地下錢莊掩護一些什麼樣的這個團體等等的\n去接觸有財務缺口的基層官兵那以金錢利誘債務拼付的方式然後進行滲透那這個就是你們之前就有在說明的可是我們看一下公教人員他們根據中央公教人員的急難貸款實施要點裡面他有一個1.695%的這個利率利息然後還有總額上限120萬的低額度到手的急難貸款服務那請問我們國軍呢\n我們現在已經有一個報一個案子上去到行政院那邊了就是也是一個緊按貸款的一個方案那麼也是比照這個公交人員的比照公交人員對對那現在\n行政院還在跟行政院溝通當中那我想要問一下就是說比較公教人員但公教人員比較沒有所謂的被滲透的這個風險有沒有可能國防部爭取在利率跟上限金額上面再比公教人員高一點\n因為兩種還是說國軍跟公教人員還是不太一樣那他如果今天是急難救助你是說金額還是說利率這個是那個我們看的是急難急難貸款的部分所以他碰到急難\n代款的时候军公教人员他有这个利率跟上限金额的部分嘛那我是想要问说上限金额跟利率的部分是否有机会比公教人员来的更高一点点比如说我们的利息变低然后我们的上限金额变高有没有可能不只是像公教人员一样而是能够再往上提高一点点\n因為畢竟你們都講了說這個中共利用等等的然後財務缺口然後進行滲透所以如果說我們今天要讓我們有財務缺口的這些軍官能夠可以有一個急難救助金然後去借款的話那他就比較不容易在這個部分就被滲透掉\n所以呢照理來說我們應該國軍在上限金額跟利率上要比公交人員來得高因為國軍跟公交人員比起來國軍被滲透的可能性也比較高風險比較高所以我在這一點上面我是希望能夠替國軍爭取說他們的急難貸款裡面上限金額提高比公交人員高利率能夠比公交人員低我不曉得在這個部分我們部長有沒有可能\n跟委員報告因為就我的理解它有不同的類別有傷病醫護傷臟災害育嬰產後護理長期照護等等然後還有一個小額紓困那我們現在還在各個最高的金額跟相關的利率我們還在跟行政院我知道你說還在討論\n但是我想要問的問題其實很簡單我們報給行政院再更新報給行政院的時候我們可不可以那在這個部分我們盡可能的去爭取就是說因為國軍的特殊性所以呢他在上限金額就各類型的啦因為我就不一定\n唯一列舉的話每個都要問很麻煩嘛上限金額跟利率的部分我們可以比公教人員還要來的優惠那就是因為他的軍隊的國軍的這個特殊性的關係那希望這個部分我們國防部可以來跟行政院再去做更多的爭取\n那我認為這個對我們的國安相關的這個所謂反滲透的方式也會有一些的幫助或許不一定真的很多但是我覺得會有幫助因為比起現在都不是就是沒有的狀況來說我覺得呢會比較好一些所以這一點是不是在拜託郭義雄部長能夠幫國軍爭取權益相關金額跟利率的部分我們再跟主席總書做一個討論好好好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.769 --> 00:03.790\n謝謝主席我們有請顧部長有請顧部長是薛恩好部長好那部長您曾經過去擔任過金管會的主委我想先請教一下一般我們在信用狀況正常的民眾那他到銀行去辦理無擔保的信用貸款我們一般利率大概會是多少\n\n00:28.929 --> 00:44.087\n我已經沒有在金管會很久了我已經在國安會都待了四年了那現在又在國安部待了快一年了我想你先問我金管會的事情那沒事沒事這個小事情大概是3%左右我們這個查核嘛\n\n00:44.688 --> 01:04.683\n那么呢好因为我今天要跟您讨论的是说我们的国军贷款专案这件事情我们可以看一下这张图虽然字有一点点小但是呢我们看到左边呢叫做国军的贷款专案也就是国军辅导理财专案贷款合作的行库跟何代利率的比较表\n\n01:05.143 --> 01:30.106\n那他其實一共有五家的銀行配合那右邊的是軍公教他的福利事項比較表那行政院的人事總署網站有公告房貸他們是用台銀信貸是用土銀承作所以我們就先拿這兩家來做比較就是國軍的部分跟軍公教的部分我們來做比較那因為國軍總共五家那我們拿這兩家來跟公教人員去做比較\n\n01:31.067 --> 01:55.425\n那我們呢可以看到台銀在房貸的部分大概國軍還多公教人員0.1%個百分點算是能夠與公教人員一致但是我們實際去走訪了最近去買房貸的這個官兵他們表示說這張表的房貸並沒有比外面的銀行低那所以呢他認為這個國軍貸款專案那感覺沒有什麼特殊的用處\n\n01:56.866 --> 02:20.752\n最后呢这些人他们也都选了专案之外的这些公股银行作为他们的这个房贷选择那信用那这是第一个那部长等一下先帮我记一下再请您一次回复那信用贷款的部分呢就非常惊人因为以国均专案当中两间银行最高的信贷比率高达3.764%是公教人员利率的2.205%那等于是大概1.7倍左右\n\n02:26.553 --> 02:52.516\n那軍人他當然跟公教人員不一樣可是呢軍人其實比公教人員某些時候來說還要更加的辛苦那我們在想說國軍的這個貸款專案還有這個信貸專案那為什麼我們的福利挨了這麼大劫那這難道就是說這對國軍來說有公平嗎所以這個是我們的訴求我想要先請我們顧部長先針對這個部分來做回應主計局\n\n02:54.755 --> 03:18.748\n委員好我是主席局局長剛剛委員提到不管是房屋貸款或是信用貸款的利率國軍的相關的專案可能比公教導人員這邊來得高我這邊要先說明一個就是利率的決定基本上是乘坐銀行就他乘坐對象的一個風險他會做審慎的評估一開始國軍在做這個相關貸款的時候利率是有\n\n03:19.488 --> 03:41.213\n跟這個比較低但是隨著這幾年來銀行在承作國軍相關不管是各階層軍官士官士兵他在做承帶的時候他發現他的風險他是有差異性的所以他就在這個利率上他就會去墊高那因為公教人員他相對的穩定所以他的風險會比較低所以他的利率\n\n03:42.513 --> 04:11.330\n這是國防部的這個責任啊你懂我意思嗎就是你們不能說你叫國軍貸款專案那你就不要設專案就好了你直接讓他去外面城堡就好啦你直接外面去信貸就好啦那你為什麼要用國軍貸款專案呢你這個國軍貸款專案是讓國軍認為說我用這個專案可以比外面一般的民眾我們去貸款或者是說我們借利率的時候是比一般的民眾來的更加的優惠嘛\n\n04:11.750 --> 04:40.203\n那你这样讲的话优惠与否看起来就没有啊所以这不是我们现在帮官兵争取福利是国防部的责任吗那我们什么时候好我这边我就问部长好了好不好因为主席已经说得很清楚了那我想要问一下我们是不是能够尽快跟五间银行去协商净利净速的调降部分的利率至少你要跟公教人员作为短期的目标是不是能够达成或者是说您知不支持这样的方案\n\n04:41.396 --> 04:53.415\n我會後了解以後我們再來跟相關的銀行來做訪問那我要問的是說布朗您對於這樣子的方案或是我的想法來說的話你是支持與否\n\n04:55.228 --> 05:18.196\n呃我們呃當然要看他的尤其在信用貸款的部分他的基礎是什麼那我們了解以後好那如果是以我剛剛所說的就是說國軍跟公教人員他們的尤其是信用貸款的部分那差額非常大的話是不是可以請這個國防部盡可能的去爭取我們可以看到像以圖銀的部分那可以呃\n\n05:19.156 --> 05:33.973\n能夠向2.2左右往下調一些讓我們的軍官不要覺得說人家公教人員的這個福利都比較好我們軍人的福利都比較差這是希望我們的這個國防部可以去做的那第二個部分\n\n05:34.133 --> 05:47.871\n也跟金錢有關就是急難貸款剛才大家都在講到這個共諜的各種這個事情什麼占比多少等等我就不再說了其中呢你們都有說明說呢中共他們利用黑道幫派地下錢莊掩護一些什麼樣的這個團體等等的\n\n05:51.616 --> 06:13.114\n去接觸有財務缺口的基層官兵那以金錢利誘債務拼付的方式然後進行滲透那這個就是你們之前就有在說明的可是我們看一下公教人員他們根據中央公教人員的急難貸款實施要點裡面他有一個1.695%的這個利率利息然後還有總額上限120萬的低額度到手的急難貸款服務那請問我們國軍呢\n\n06:21.208 --> 06:36.499\n我們現在已經有一個報一個案子上去到行政院那邊了就是也是一個緊按貸款的一個方案那麼也是比照這個公交人員的比照公交人員對對那現在\n\n06:38.380 --> 06:53.331\n行政院還在跟行政院溝通當中那我想要問一下就是說比較公教人員但公教人員比較沒有所謂的被滲透的這個風險有沒有可能國防部爭取在利率跟上限金額上面再比公教人員高一點\n\n06:55.487 --> 07:09.345\n因為兩種還是說國軍跟公教人員還是不太一樣那他如果今天是急難救助你是說金額還是說利率這個是那個我們看的是急難急難貸款的部分所以他碰到急難\n\n07:09.926 --> 07:31.520\n代款的时候军公教人员他有这个利率跟上限金额的部分嘛那我是想要问说上限金额跟利率的部分是否有机会比公教人员来的更高一点点比如说我们的利息变低然后我们的上限金额变高有没有可能不只是像公教人员一样而是能够再往上提高一点点\n\n07:31.900 --> 07:36.124\n因為畢竟你們都講了說這個中共利用等等的然後財務缺口然後進行滲透所以如果說我們今天要讓我們有財務缺口的這些軍官能夠可以有一個急難救助金然後去借款的話那他就比較不容易在這個部分就被滲透掉\n\n07:52.680 --> 08:17.224\n所以呢照理來說我們應該國軍在上限金額跟利率上要比公交人員來得高因為國軍跟公交人員比起來國軍被滲透的可能性也比較高風險比較高所以我在這一點上面我是希望能夠替國軍爭取說他們的急難貸款裡面上限金額提高比公交人員高利率能夠比公交人員低我不曉得在這個部分我們部長有沒有可能\n\n08:17.344 --> 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