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00:02:13,917\n對就是任何我們覺得可以去解決降低美國所在的貿易逆差的問題我想都是開放討論的那應該有注意到是說央行總裁楊金榮也曾經講過說如果美方他現在要轉換把他美債轉換成長期債的話這有可能會造成這個金融上的風險這一點我們有注意到我們談判小組裡面也有央行相關的人員\n\n7\n00:02:15,362 --> 00:02:39,119\n我想所有的經貿相關的議題的相關的部會都有參與好最後啦我只是請教一下就當然細節部分我們還是希望我們外交同仁一起好好努力那但是談判是giveandtake所以說也有縣市長建議是說那現在是不是也有機會利用這樣的一個談判空間來爭取我們希望過去一直強調跟美國要達成的FTA是有這個考慮嗎\n\n8\n00:02:40,348 --> 00:03:00,184\n我當然說我的這個選項我們跟這個談判的運用上面都會非常的靈活那麼現在目前來說我們是這個避免台美雙重瞌睡是成為一個重要的所以我們也有提出可能跟美國爭取FTA的可能性我們會再爭取好OK來謝謝兩位請先請回我們還是回歸到交通部部長來部長\n\n9\n00:03:04,383 --> 00:03:20,779\n本席剛剛特別聽了一個小時的一個報告所有的部會我們都您聽那其中交通部不管是業務報告或者是我們相關的針對美國關稅的部分其實你在美國關稅的因應的對策裡面寫的相對還是比較保守\n\n10\n00:03:21,460 --> 00:03:40,051\n有強調觀光產業可能會造成大衝擊對不對那其他的產業咧現在我特別有看到你們內部的報告裡面有講到是說航運的部分有可能調整那要爭取我們這個轉運的部分是不是講一下因為你特別裡面有提到是說要有提出相關的獎勵誘因\n\n11\n00:03:41,151 --> 00:03:56,161\n是怎麼樣一個具體的方式我們目前的影響其實都還在觀察當中但是變化非常的快速沒有到很大但是很快速例如說上個禮拜我在這裡備詢的時候那個時候的我們的整體的這個運艙量降低了差不多5%\n\n12\n00:03:57,662 --> 00:04:15,567\n那到現在是增加了5%所以中間變化其實蠻大變化蠻快但是他的變化幅度並沒有很大減少5%跟增加5%這樣的差距而已但是我們還是先預作準備預作準備的意思就是說有兩個可能性一個可能是會塞港\n\n13\n00:04:16,027 --> 00:04:43,595\n突然很大量的從台灣的港口進出對尤其東南亞他可能要避開其他的關稅等等部分所以你們特別有提到是說會有獎勵機制以及因應的變化方式這是一個可能性就是說很大量的進來那也有另外一個可能性那個可能性就是突然停頓下來像現在中國的狀況就是突然他的港口就突然停頓下來這兩種可能都有那這兩種我們都在預作準備當比較少的時候沒有人要來的時候我們當然就要鼓勵\n\n14\n00:04:44,355 --> 00:05:09,326\n就要獎勵希望鼓勵嘛那如果多的時候我們就希望港澳公司先把空間先空出來把我們的盤點可以出來的土地先空出來有可能會塞港或是可能貨運量很大的時候我們要做這樣的準備所以兩套的準備其實是不一樣的是部長這都在念書面報告本期問的是說書面報告以延伸的部分我們具體的措施是什麼目前獎勵的措施有嗎這個貨櫃獎勵措施已經出來了嗎\n\n15\n00:05:14,481 --> 00:05:16,402\n其實我們是每年都有針對貨櫃的獎勵因應這一次的關稅的原因所以我們會做的會更周延大概一個禮拜內\n\n16\n00:05:33,712 --> 00:06:00,996\n不要說我們自己提出來的報告好像自己都沒看的感覺啦來部長那另外再請教因為現在行政院880億其中是經濟部700億農業部180億但是沒有其他部會那我們當然盤點之後我昨天也問中太院長中太院長講說有可能提出來方案因為要在一個禮拜跟產業界溝通有可能提出來會比880億整體更多那就交通部門來講我們有沒有要提出不管是觀光方面\n\n17\n00:06:01,616 --> 00:06:12,382\n不管是相關的產業衝擊方面有沒有要提出因應這一波的關稅然後特別預算編列進去來爭取行政院的支持報告委員這個部分目前都還在滾動檢討當中下個禮拜就要出來因為實際上是這樣\n\n18\n00:06:16,624 --> 00:06:40,778\n行政院院長承諾說下個禮拜要出來那照理講各部會這個禮拜應該就已經要統整報告員影響的部分我剛剛有說它的變化非常快速但幅度還沒有到很大我剛剛在講的是航運業那我再跟您報告就是說觀光業的部分目前觀光業兩個指標其實蠻重要一個就是說我們要看郵輪跟這個航空的定位的這個開票的狀況有沒有下降\n\n19\n00:06:41,638 --> 00:07:07,428\n那目前看起來是還沒有第二個是看我們國內的這個定房率有沒有下降那目前看起來也都還沒有所以不過我們還是審慎並且很謹慎的隨時都在關注這個數字的變化當有需要之前我們大概就會先提出來那目前為止我們的產業以交通產業來說目前為止還沒有遇到那麼大的衝擊那我們還在評估當中那我所知道行政院目前是針對我們還在看變化\n\n20\n00:07:10,709 --> 00:07:37,511\n如果有變化我們當然會提部長是下個禮拜行政院院長的講法是他就會送出行政院版的特別條例匡列多大的預算那裡面包括哪一些項目送來立法院來審查所以如果說你沒有超前部署先去因應也許七月八月觀光可能的需求你先報給行政院來去爭取這預算的話你怎麼有辦法加入呢\n\n21\n00:07:39,026 --> 00:08:06,028\n這個就是我現在在提的部長這個應該是你們要去做的事情相對來說現在行政院要求各部會因為880億是一個餅那你要送進來立法院變特別條例特別條例您知道在之前疫情之後所謂的振興經濟方案行政院送特別條例進來到真正三讀通過中間有多久時間嗎\n\n22\n00:08:08,247 --> 00:08:31,000\n時間我不曉得兩個多月是所以換言之即便是那時候疫情結束之後的振興方案3800億行政院提出來要到立法院正式三讀通過都要兩個多月的時間的時候中間還要審查中間還要調整那當然你們各部會就應該要盤點現在有可能的衝擊來跟行政院要求跟爭取啊不是嗎\n\n23\n00:08:32,140 --> 00:08:38,929\n報告委員大概會有影響的部分有可能的是觀光那觀光的部分我們正在盤點中什麼時候可以盤點出來\n\n24\n00:08:41,274 --> 00:09:06,541\n不是不要讓我們大家都在這邊一起解決問題剛剛的報告我們也我跟李昆哲委員我們來這邊坐了一個小時聽各部會的一個報告有道理的地方我們聽但是我們現在針對站在民眾的角度我們提醒你們應該要超前部署的部分不能一問三不知不能問了都是說還在盤點問了都是還在檢討問了都是還在準備那這樣國人\n\n25\n00:09:11,584 --> 00:09:17,498\n要各位坐在辦公室裡面每天就想著畫大餅就好了\n\n26\n00:09:19,031 --> 00:09:39,757\n委員這件事情可能是要說明一下因為部長講得很清楚因為我們現在在觀察的部分我們也有一些相關的方案在研擬這個沒有問題所以會不會跟行政院爭取就是說行政院報出來的下個禮拜報出來的特別條例要送立法院裡面會不會有屬於交通部針對觀光協助的這一塊\n\n27\n00:09:41,823 --> 00:09:54,914\n我們目前還在評估中因為我們自己本身也有積極預算所以我們相關的部分所以預算也都夠用嘛還在處理非常好署長講說預算都還很夠用來最後啦那個部長是\n\n28\n00:09:56,778 --> 00:10:19,819\n方方面面很多問題今天真的時間有限來我只講幾個部分第一郵輪上個禮拜我們國際郵輪你剛有特別提到觀光部分那郵輪也有遇到這個delay的狀況那造成說前一班的郵輪3000多名被困在沖繩後一班被迫取消那我想國際上當然我有看到交通部馬上就已經要求是說要消機會等相關部會來做應變會議\n\n29\n00:10:21,741 --> 00:10:47,306\n那現在的補償方案以及遊客的權益是不是有已經兼顧了目前已經講到差不多200美金的補償那看起來應該大部分的旅客應該是接受的所以從一開始的50美金然後到100美金到現在交通部介入之後爭取到200美金一個人還是一個艙位一個人一個人200美金來部長從最早50美金到100那現在已經20050嘛到100到現在到200好\n\n30\n00:10:50,503 --> 00:11:13,336\n部長有沒有看到這就是有官方介入主管機關讓消費者擔任消費者的後盾跟靠山而且也讓這個國際業者當然業者要來開拓市場我們歡迎但是也要有合理的保護機制所以是不是因應未來我國更多的這種郵輪的旅遊我們事先研擬一個公平的標準\n\n31\n00:11:14,056 --> 00:11:31,936\n就如果說未來發生類似的事情的時候就不用還要再開應變方案而是我們就已經預先有相關的保障如同類似消費者保護契約一樣就是能夠有一個標準讓所有業者依規則可循可以嗎永久說的這個部分我們正在做什麼時候可以做出來\n\n32\n00:11:32,918 --> 00:11:53,167\n因為過去沒有嘛那我們現在因應這樣的一個狀況那未來我肯定現在正在做的部分那什麼時候能夠做出來那個部分其實有啦只不過他的保障可能還沒有那麼全面那我們現在在做修訂當中什麼時候能夠修訂出來因應未來有可能的狀況因為如果說郵輪越來越多那我們只有可能這樣的發生率\n\n33\n00:11:53,727 --> 00:12:19,602\n有可能會還有下一次嘛來各位報告針對國際委員販售船票的這個固定型化契約的應記載跟不得記載事項呢韓港局已經完成草案那些已經呈報交通部審議當中好預計什麼時候可以出來部裡面有一定的這個法制的審議的程序但是都是在我們部內嘛所以換言之部長這邊我們會盡量改積極會盡量改\n\n34\n00:12:23,988 --> 00:12:52,109\n能不能在現在是四月能不能至少在旺季之前能夠出來我們希望在旺季之前好那就七月以前可以出來就是我們暑假之前嘛暑假之前感謝部長我們繼續努力啦還是在交通委員會我想林國城委員站起來但是我必須要說交通委員會過去到現在就我從2020年進來相對來講是比較不講黨派不分朝野大家共同為交通建設為地方發展為我國的\n\n35\n00:12:52,970 --> 00:12:59,365\n相關的交通來努力不要分彼此我們一起努力可以嗎這個沒問題啊當然是這個樣子\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2335\t7278\t主席謝謝 麻煩請交通部陳部長 外交部陳次長跟經貿談判辦公室嚴副代表陳部長好\n22677\t40796\t我先請教一下次長跟副總代表好不好就是說各界大家都關心啦就是說現在我們也看到對美談判的部分我們持續緊鑼密鼓嘛但是確實昨天是第一波的談判名單沒有我們那我們應該還是會努力爭取希望能夠爭取在前段班談判對吧\n43202\t70827\t報告委員我們是在第一波已經進行過相關的視訊會議我知道但是說昨天五個國家裡面沒有我們第一梯的談判名單但我們會持續努力爭取前段班的談判是吧我們是會爭取但是我們已經進行過首次的視訊的互動我想這個的效力也是跟面對面的溝通是類似的\n71067\t88226\t好 那昨天我們總質詢裡面很多委員也都關心到對美談判的一個進度的部分那其中卓榮泰院長有提到是說購買美債也可能會是選項之一這個是有經過我們內部這個談判小組的一個共同討論跟盤點我們是不是請這個來麻煩 簡單說明就可以了\n93147\t108088\t我想很多的談判的細節我們是不方便在這邊做進一步因為台美的談判這個默契啦那所以就是就您剛剛提到的副總代表這是昨天卓榮泰院長回答委員質詢的時候所說他說美債是談判選項之一\n109751\t133917\t對就是任何我們覺得可以去解決降低美國所在的貿易逆差的問題我想都是開放討論的那應該有注意到是說央行總裁楊金榮也曾經講過說如果美方他現在要轉換把他美債轉換成長期債的話這有可能會造成這個金融上的風險這一點我們有注意到我們談判小組裡面也有央行相關的人員\n135362\t159119\t我想所有的經貿相關的議題的相關的部會都有參與好最後啦我只是請教一下就當然細節部分我們還是希望我們外交同仁一起好好努力那但是談判是give and take所以說也有縣市長建議是說那現在是不是也有機會利用這樣的一個談判空間來爭取我們希望過去一直強調跟美國要達成的FTA是有這個考慮嗎\n160348\t180184\t我當然說我的這個選項我們跟這個談判的運用上面都會非常的靈活那麼現在目前來說我們是這個避免台美雙重瞌睡是成為一個重要的所以我們也有提出可能跟美國爭取FTA的可能性我們會再爭取好OK來謝謝兩位請先請回我們還是回歸到交通部部長來部長\n184383\t200779\t本席剛剛特別聽了一個小時的一個報告所有的部會我們都您聽那其中交通部不管是業務報告或者是我們相關的針對美國關稅的部分其實你在美國關稅的因應的對策裡面寫的相對還是比較保守\n201460\t220051\t有強調觀光產業可能會造成大衝擊對不對那其他的產業咧現在我特別有看到你們內部的報告裡面有講到是說航運的部分有可能調整那要爭取我們這個轉運的部分是不是講一下因為你特別裡面有提到是說要有提出相關的獎勵誘因\n221151\t236161\t是怎麼樣一個具體的方式我們目前的影響其實都還在觀察當中但是變化非常的快速沒有到很大但是很快速例如說上個禮拜我在這裡備詢的時候那個時候的我們的整體的這個運艙量降低了差不多5%\n237662\t255567\t那到現在是增加了5%所以中間變化其實蠻大變化蠻快但是他的變化幅度並沒有很大減少5%跟增加5%這樣的差距而已但是我們還是先預作準備預作準備的意思就是說有兩個可能性一個可能是會塞港\n256027\t283595\t突然很大量的從台灣的港口進出對 尤其東南亞他可能要避開其他的關稅等等部分所以你們特別有提到是說會有獎勵機制以及因應的變化方式這是一個可能性就是說很大量的進來那也有另外一個可能性那個可能性就是突然停頓下來像現在中國的狀況就是突然他的港口就突然停頓下來這兩種可能都有那這兩種我們都在預作準備當比較少的時候沒有人要來的時候我們當然就要鼓勵\n284355\t309326\t就要獎勵希望鼓勵嘛那如果多的時候我們就希望港澳公司先把空間先空出來把我們的盤點可以出來的土地先空出來有可能會塞港或是可能貨運量很大的時候我們要做這樣的準備所以兩套的準備其實是不一樣的是部長這都在念書面報告本期問的是說書面報告以延伸的部分我們具體的措施是什麼目前獎勵的措施有嗎這個貨櫃獎勵措施已經出來了嗎\n314481\t316402\t其實我們是每年都有針對貨櫃的獎勵因應這一次的關稅的原因所以我們會做的會更周延大概一個禮拜內\n333712\t360996\t不要說我們自己提出來的報告好像自己都沒看的感覺啦來 部長那另外再請教因為現在行政院880億其中是經濟部700億農業部180億但是沒有其他部會那我們當然盤點之後我昨天也問中太院長中太院長講說有可能提出來方案因為要在一個禮拜跟產業界溝通有可能提出來會比880億整體更多那就交通部門來講我們有沒有要提出不管是觀光方面\n361616\t372382\t不管是相關的產業衝擊方面有沒有要提出因應這一波的關稅然後特別預算編列進去來爭取行政院的支持報告委員這個部分目前都還在滾動檢討當中下個禮拜就要出來因為實際上是這樣\n376624\t400778\t行政院院長承諾說下個禮拜要出來那照理講各部會這個禮拜應該就已經要統整報告員影響的部分我剛剛有說它的變化非常快速但幅度還沒有到很大我剛剛在講的是航運業那我再跟您報告就是說觀光業的部分目前觀光業兩個指標其實蠻重要一個就是說我們要看郵輪跟這個航空的定位的這個開票的狀況有沒有下降\n401638\t427428\t那目前看起來是還沒有第二個是看我們國內的這個定房率有沒有下降那目前看起來也都還沒有所以不過我們還是審慎並且很謹慎的隨時都在關注這個數字的變化當有需要之前我們大概就會先提出來那目前為止我們的產業以交通產業來說目前為止還沒有遇到那麼大的衝擊那我們還在評估當中那我所知道行政院目前是針對我們還在看變化\n430709\t457511\t如果有變化我們當然會提部長是下個禮拜行政院院長的講法是他就會送出行政院版的特別條例匡列多大的預算那裡面包括哪一些項目送來立法院來審查所以如果說你沒有超前部署先去因應也許七月八月觀光可能的需求你先報給行政院來去爭取這預算的話你怎麼有辦法加入呢\n459026\t486028\t這個就是我現在在提的部長這個應該是你們要去做的事情相對來說現在行政院要求各部會因為880億是一個餅那你要送進來立法院變特別條例特別條例 您知道在之前疫情之後所謂的振興經濟方案行政院送特別條例進來到真正三讀通過中間有多久時間嗎\n488247\t511000\t時間我不曉得兩個多月是所以換言之即便是那時候疫情結束之後的振興方案3800億行政院提出來要到立法院正式三讀通過都要兩個多月的時間的時候中間還要審查中間還要調整那當然你們各部會就應該要盤點現在有可能的衝擊來跟行政院要求跟爭取啊不是嗎\n512140\t518929\t報告委員大概會有影響的部分有可能的是觀光那觀光的部分我們正在盤點中什麼時候可以盤點出來\n521274\t546541\t不是 不要讓我們大家都在這邊一起解決問題剛剛的報告我們也我跟李昆哲委員我們來這邊坐了一個小時聽各部會的一個報告有道理的地方我們聽但是我們現在針對站在民眾的角度我們提醒你們應該要超前部署的部分不能一問三不知不能問了都是說還在盤點問了都是還在檢討問了都是還在準備那這樣國人\n551584\t557498\t要各位坐在辦公室裡面每天就想著畫大餅就好了\n559031\t579757\t委員這件事情可能是要說明一下因為部長講得很清楚因為我們現在在觀察的部分我們也有一些相關的方案在研擬這個沒有問題所以會不會跟行政院爭取就是說行政院報出來的下個禮拜報出來的特別條例要送立法院裡面會不會有屬於交通部針對觀光協助的這一塊\n581823\t594914\t我們目前還在評估中因為我們自己本身也有積極預算所以我們相關的部分所以預算也都夠用嘛還在處理非常好署長講說預算都還很夠用來最後啦那個部長是\n596778\t619819\t方方面面很多問題今天真的時間有限來我只講幾個部分第一郵輪上個禮拜我們國際郵輪你剛有特別提到觀光部分那郵輪也有遇到這個delay的狀況那造成說前一班的郵輪3000多名被困在沖繩後一班被迫取消那我想國際上當然我有看到交通部馬上就已經要求是說要消機會等相關部會來做應變會議\n621741\t647306\t那現在的補償方案以及遊客的權益是不是有已經兼顧了目前已經講到差不多200美金的補償那看起來應該大部分的旅客應該是接受的所以從一開始的50美金然後到100美金到現在交通部介入之後爭取到200美金一個人還是一個艙位一個人一個人200美金來部長從最早50美金到100那現在已經20050嘛到100到現在到200好\n650503\t673336\t部長有沒有看到這就是有官方介入主管機關讓消費者擔任消費者的後盾跟靠山而且也讓這個國際業者當然業者要來開拓市場我們歡迎但是也要有合理的保護機制所以是不是因應未來我國更多的這種郵輪的旅遊我們事先研擬一個公平的標準\n674056\t691936\t就如果說未來發生類似的事情的時候就不用還要再開應變方案而是我們就已經預先有相關的保障如同類似消費者保護契約一樣就是能夠有一個標準讓所有業者依規則可循可以嗎永久說的這個部分我們正在做什麼時候可以做出來\n692918\t713167\t因為過去沒有嘛那我們現在因應這樣的一個狀況那未來我肯定現在正在做的部分那什麼時候能夠做出來那個部分其實有啦只不過他的保障可能還沒有那麼全面那我們現在在做修訂當中什麼時候能夠修訂出來因應未來有可能的狀況因為如果說郵輪越來越多那我們只有可能這樣的發生率\n713727\t739602\t有可能會還有下一次嘛來 各位報告針對國際委員販售船票的這個固定型化契約的應記載跟不得記載事項呢韓港局已經完成草案那些已經呈報交通部審議當中好 預計什麼時候可以出來部裡面有一定的這個法制的審議的程序但是都是在我們部內嘛所以換言之部長這邊我們會盡量改 積極 會盡量改\n743988\t772109\t能不能在現在是四月能不能至少在旺季之前能夠出來我們希望在旺季之前好 那就七月以前可以出來就是我們暑假之前嘛 暑假之前感謝部長 我們繼續努力啦還是在交通委員會我想林國城委員站起來但是我必須要說交通委員會過去到現在就我從2020年進來相對來講是比較不講黨派不分朝野大家共同為交通建設 為地方發展為我國的\n772970\t779365\t相關的交通來努力不要分彼此我們一起努力可以嗎這個沒問題啊當然是這個樣子\n","txt":"主席謝謝 麻煩請交通部陳部長 外交部陳次長跟經貿談判辦公室嚴副代表陳部長好\n我先請教一下次長跟副總代表好不好就是說各界大家都關心啦就是說現在我們也看到對美談判的部分我們持續緊鑼密鼓嘛但是確實昨天是第一波的談判名單沒有我們那我們應該還是會努力爭取希望能夠爭取在前段班談判對吧\n報告委員我們是在第一波已經進行過相關的視訊會議我知道但是說昨天五個國家裡面沒有我們第一梯的談判名單但我們會持續努力爭取前段班的談判是吧我們是會爭取但是我們已經進行過首次的視訊的互動我想這個的效力也是跟面對面的溝通是類似的\n好 那昨天我們總質詢裡面很多委員也都關心到對美談判的一個進度的部分那其中卓榮泰院長有提到是說購買美債也可能會是選項之一這個是有經過我們內部這個談判小組的一個共同討論跟盤點我們是不是請這個來麻煩 簡單說明就可以了\n我想很多的談判的細節我們是不方便在這邊做進一步因為台美的談判這個默契啦那所以就是就您剛剛提到的副總代表這是昨天卓榮泰院長回答委員質詢的時候所說他說美債是談判選項之一\n對就是任何我們覺得可以去解決降低美國所在的貿易逆差的問題我想都是開放討論的那應該有注意到是說央行總裁楊金榮也曾經講過說如果美方他現在要轉換把他美債轉換成長期債的話這有可能會造成這個金融上的風險這一點我們有注意到我們談判小組裡面也有央行相關的人員\n我想所有的經貿相關的議題的相關的部會都有參與好最後啦我只是請教一下就當然細節部分我們還是希望我們外交同仁一起好好努力那但是談判是give and take所以說也有縣市長建議是說那現在是不是也有機會利用這樣的一個談判空間來爭取我們希望過去一直強調跟美國要達成的FTA是有這個考慮嗎\n我當然說我的這個選項我們跟這個談判的運用上面都會非常的靈活那麼現在目前來說我們是這個避免台美雙重瞌睡是成為一個重要的所以我們也有提出可能跟美國爭取FTA的可能性我們會再爭取好OK來謝謝兩位請先請回我們還是回歸到交通部部長來部長\n本席剛剛特別聽了一個小時的一個報告所有的部會我們都您聽那其中交通部不管是業務報告或者是我們相關的針對美國關稅的部分其實你在美國關稅的因應的對策裡面寫的相對還是比較保守\n有強調觀光產業可能會造成大衝擊對不對那其他的產業咧現在我特別有看到你們內部的報告裡面有講到是說航運的部分有可能調整那要爭取我們這個轉運的部分是不是講一下因為你特別裡面有提到是說要有提出相關的獎勵誘因\n是怎麼樣一個具體的方式我們目前的影響其實都還在觀察當中但是變化非常的快速沒有到很大但是很快速例如說上個禮拜我在這裡備詢的時候那個時候的我們的整體的這個運艙量降低了差不多5%\n那到現在是增加了5%所以中間變化其實蠻大變化蠻快但是他的變化幅度並沒有很大減少5%跟增加5%這樣的差距而已但是我們還是先預作準備預作準備的意思就是說有兩個可能性一個可能是會塞港\n突然很大量的從台灣的港口進出對 尤其東南亞他可能要避開其他的關稅等等部分所以你們特別有提到是說會有獎勵機制以及因應的變化方式這是一個可能性就是說很大量的進來那也有另外一個可能性那個可能性就是突然停頓下來像現在中國的狀況就是突然他的港口就突然停頓下來這兩種可能都有那這兩種我們都在預作準備當比較少的時候沒有人要來的時候我們當然就要鼓勵\n就要獎勵希望鼓勵嘛那如果多的時候我們就希望港澳公司先把空間先空出來把我們的盤點可以出來的土地先空出來有可能會塞港或是可能貨運量很大的時候我們要做這樣的準備所以兩套的準備其實是不一樣的是部長這都在念書面報告本期問的是說書面報告以延伸的部分我們具體的措施是什麼目前獎勵的措施有嗎這個貨櫃獎勵措施已經出來了嗎\n其實我們是每年都有針對貨櫃的獎勵因應這一次的關稅的原因所以我們會做的會更周延大概一個禮拜內\n不要說我們自己提出來的報告好像自己都沒看的感覺啦來 部長那另外再請教因為現在行政院880億其中是經濟部700億農業部180億但是沒有其他部會那我們當然盤點之後我昨天也問中太院長中太院長講說有可能提出來方案因為要在一個禮拜跟產業界溝通有可能提出來會比880億整體更多那就交通部門來講我們有沒有要提出不管是觀光方面\n不管是相關的產業衝擊方面有沒有要提出因應這一波的關稅然後特別預算編列進去來爭取行政院的支持報告委員這個部分目前都還在滾動檢討當中下個禮拜就要出來因為實際上是這樣\n行政院院長承諾說下個禮拜要出來那照理講各部會這個禮拜應該就已經要統整報告員影響的部分我剛剛有說它的變化非常快速但幅度還沒有到很大我剛剛在講的是航運業那我再跟您報告就是說觀光業的部分目前觀光業兩個指標其實蠻重要一個就是說我們要看郵輪跟這個航空的定位的這個開票的狀況有沒有下降\n那目前看起來是還沒有第二個是看我們國內的這個定房率有沒有下降那目前看起來也都還沒有所以不過我們還是審慎並且很謹慎的隨時都在關注這個數字的變化當有需要之前我們大概就會先提出來那目前為止我們的產業以交通產業來說目前為止還沒有遇到那麼大的衝擊那我們還在評估當中那我所知道行政院目前是針對我們還在看變化\n如果有變化我們當然會提部長是下個禮拜行政院院長的講法是他就會送出行政院版的特別條例匡列多大的預算那裡面包括哪一些項目送來立法院來審查所以如果說你沒有超前部署先去因應也許七月八月觀光可能的需求你先報給行政院來去爭取這預算的話你怎麼有辦法加入呢\n這個就是我現在在提的部長這個應該是你們要去做的事情相對來說現在行政院要求各部會因為880億是一個餅那你要送進來立法院變特別條例特別條例 您知道在之前疫情之後所謂的振興經濟方案行政院送特別條例進來到真正三讀通過中間有多久時間嗎\n時間我不曉得兩個多月是所以換言之即便是那時候疫情結束之後的振興方案3800億行政院提出來要到立法院正式三讀通過都要兩個多月的時間的時候中間還要審查中間還要調整那當然你們各部會就應該要盤點現在有可能的衝擊來跟行政院要求跟爭取啊不是嗎\n報告委員大概會有影響的部分有可能的是觀光那觀光的部分我們正在盤點中什麼時候可以盤點出來\n不是 不要讓我們大家都在這邊一起解決問題剛剛的報告我們也我跟李昆哲委員我們來這邊坐了一個小時聽各部會的一個報告有道理的地方我們聽但是我們現在針對站在民眾的角度我們提醒你們應該要超前部署的部分不能一問三不知不能問了都是說還在盤點問了都是還在檢討問了都是還在準備那這樣國人\n要各位坐在辦公室裡面每天就想著畫大餅就好了\n委員這件事情可能是要說明一下因為部長講得很清楚因為我們現在在觀察的部分我們也有一些相關的方案在研擬這個沒有問題所以會不會跟行政院爭取就是說行政院報出來的下個禮拜報出來的特別條例要送立法院裡面會不會有屬於交通部針對觀光協助的這一塊\n我們目前還在評估中因為我們自己本身也有積極預算所以我們相關的部分所以預算也都夠用嘛還在處理非常好署長講說預算都還很夠用來最後啦那個部長是\n方方面面很多問題今天真的時間有限來我只講幾個部分第一郵輪上個禮拜我們國際郵輪你剛有特別提到觀光部分那郵輪也有遇到這個delay的狀況那造成說前一班的郵輪3000多名被困在沖繩後一班被迫取消那我想國際上當然我有看到交通部馬上就已經要求是說要消機會等相關部會來做應變會議\n那現在的補償方案以及遊客的權益是不是有已經兼顧了目前已經講到差不多200美金的補償那看起來應該大部分的旅客應該是接受的所以從一開始的50美金然後到100美金到現在交通部介入之後爭取到200美金一個人還是一個艙位一個人一個人200美金來部長從最早50美金到100那現在已經20050嘛到100到現在到200好\n部長有沒有看到這就是有官方介入主管機關讓消費者擔任消費者的後盾跟靠山而且也讓這個國際業者當然業者要來開拓市場我們歡迎但是也要有合理的保護機制所以是不是因應未來我國更多的這種郵輪的旅遊我們事先研擬一個公平的標準\n就如果說未來發生類似的事情的時候就不用還要再開應變方案而是我們就已經預先有相關的保障如同類似消費者保護契約一樣就是能夠有一個標準讓所有業者依規則可循可以嗎永久說的這個部分我們正在做什麼時候可以做出來\n因為過去沒有嘛那我們現在因應這樣的一個狀況那未來我肯定現在正在做的部分那什麼時候能夠做出來那個部分其實有啦只不過他的保障可能還沒有那麼全面那我們現在在做修訂當中什麼時候能夠修訂出來因應未來有可能的狀況因為如果說郵輪越來越多那我們只有可能這樣的發生率\n有可能會還有下一次嘛來 各位報告針對國際委員販售船票的這個固定型化契約的應記載跟不得記載事項呢韓港局已經完成草案那些已經呈報交通部審議當中好 預計什麼時候可以出來部裡面有一定的這個法制的審議的程序但是都是在我們部內嘛所以換言之部長這邊我們會盡量改 積極 會盡量改\n能不能在現在是四月能不能至少在旺季之前能夠出來我們希望在旺季之前好 那就七月以前可以出來就是我們暑假之前嘛 暑假之前感謝部長 我們繼續努力啦還是在交通委員會我想林國城委員站起來但是我必須要說交通委員會過去到現在就我從2020年進來相對來講是比較不講黨派不分朝野大家共同為交通建設 為地方發展為我國的\n相關的交通來努力不要分彼此我們一起努力可以嗎這個沒問題啊當然是這個樣子\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.335 --> 00:07.278\n主席謝謝麻煩請交通部陳部長外交部陳次長跟經貿談判辦公室嚴副代表陳部長好\n\n00:22.677 --> 00:40.796\n我先請教一下次長跟副總代表好不好就是說各界大家都關心啦就是說現在我們也看到對美談判的部分我們持續緊鑼密鼓嘛但是確實昨天是第一波的談判名單沒有我們那我們應該還是會努力爭取希望能夠爭取在前段班談判對吧\n\n00:43.202 --> 01:10.827\n報告委員我們是在第一波已經進行過相關的視訊會議我知道但是說昨天五個國家裡面沒有我們第一梯的談判名單但我們會持續努力爭取前段班的談判是吧我們是會爭取但是我們已經進行過首次的視訊的互動我想這個的效力也是跟面對面的溝通是類似的\n\n01:11.067 --> 01:28.226\n好那昨天我們總質詢裡面很多委員也都關心到對美談判的一個進度的部分那其中卓榮泰院長有提到是說購買美債也可能會是選項之一這個是有經過我們內部這個談判小組的一個共同討論跟盤點我們是不是請這個來麻煩簡單說明就可以了\n\n01:33.147 --> 01:48.088\n我想很多的談判的細節我們是不方便在這邊做進一步因為台美的談判這個默契啦那所以就是就您剛剛提到的副總代表這是昨天卓榮泰院長回答委員質詢的時候所說他說美債是談判選項之一\n\n01:49.751 --> 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04:43.595\n突然很大量的從台灣的港口進出對尤其東南亞他可能要避開其他的關稅等等部分所以你們特別有提到是說會有獎勵機制以及因應的變化方式這是一個可能性就是說很大量的進來那也有另外一個可能性那個可能性就是突然停頓下來像現在中國的狀況就是突然他的港口就突然停頓下來這兩種可能都有那這兩種我們都在預作準備當比較少的時候沒有人要來的時候我們當然就要鼓勵\n\n04:44.355 --> 05:09.326\n就要獎勵希望鼓勵嘛那如果多的時候我們就希望港澳公司先把空間先空出來把我們的盤點可以出來的土地先空出來有可能會塞港或是可能貨運量很大的時候我們要做這樣的準備所以兩套的準備其實是不一樣的是部長這都在念書面報告本期問的是說書面報告以延伸的部分我們具體的措施是什麼目前獎勵的措施有嗎這個貨櫃獎勵措施已經出來了嗎\n\n05:14.481 --> 05:16.402\n其實我們是每年都有針對貨櫃的獎勵因應這一次的關稅的原因所以我們會做的會更周延大概一個禮拜內\n\n05:33.712 --> 06:00.996\n不要說我們自己提出來的報告好像自己都沒看的感覺啦來部長那另外再請教因為現在行政院880億其中是經濟部700億農業部180億但是沒有其他部會那我們當然盤點之後我昨天也問中太院長中太院長講說有可能提出來方案因為要在一個禮拜跟產業界溝通有可能提出來會比880億整體更多那就交通部門來講我們有沒有要提出不管是觀光方面\n\n06:01.616 --> 06:12.382\n不管是相關的產業衝擊方面有沒有要提出因應這一波的關稅然後特別預算編列進去來爭取行政院的支持報告委員這個部分目前都還在滾動檢討當中下個禮拜就要出來因為實際上是這樣\n\n06:16.624 --> 06:40.778\n行政院院長承諾說下個禮拜要出來那照理講各部會這個禮拜應該就已經要統整報告員影響的部分我剛剛有說它的變化非常快速但幅度還沒有到很大我剛剛在講的是航運業那我再跟您報告就是說觀光業的部分目前觀光業兩個指標其實蠻重要一個就是說我們要看郵輪跟這個航空的定位的這個開票的狀況有沒有下降\n\n06:41.638 --> 07:07.428\n那目前看起來是還沒有第二個是看我們國內的這個定房率有沒有下降那目前看起來也都還沒有所以不過我們還是審慎並且很謹慎的隨時都在關注這個數字的變化當有需要之前我們大概就會先提出來那目前為止我們的產業以交通產業來說目前為止還沒有遇到那麼大的衝擊那我們還在評估當中那我所知道行政院目前是針對我們還在看變化\n\n07:10.709 --> 07:37.511\n如果有變化我們當然會提部長是下個禮拜行政院院長的講法是他就會送出行政院版的特別條例匡列多大的預算那裡面包括哪一些項目送來立法院來審查所以如果說你沒有超前部署先去因應也許七月八月觀光可能的需求你先報給行政院來去爭取這預算的話你怎麼有辦法加入呢\n\n07:39.026 --> 08:06.028\n這個就是我現在在提的部長這個應該是你們要去做的事情相對來說現在行政院要求各部會因為880億是一個餅那你要送進來立法院變特別條例特別條例您知道在之前疫情之後所謂的振興經濟方案行政院送特別條例進來到真正三讀通過中間有多久時間嗎\n\n08:08.247 --> 08:31.000\n時間我不曉得兩個多月是所以換言之即便是那時候疫情結束之後的振興方案3800億行政院提出來要到立法院正式三讀通過都要兩個多月的時間的時候中間還要審查中間還要調整那當然你們各部會就應該要盤點現在有可能的衝擊來跟行政院要求跟爭取啊不是嗎\n\n08:32.140 --> 08:38.929\n報告委員大概會有影響的部分有可能的是觀光那觀光的部分我們正在盤點中什麼時候可以盤點出來\n\n08:41.274 --> 09:06.541\n不是不要讓我們大家都在這邊一起解決問題剛剛的報告我們也我跟李昆哲委員我們來這邊坐了一個小時聽各部會的一個報告有道理的地方我們聽但是我們現在針對站在民眾的角度我們提醒你們應該要超前部署的部分不能一問三不知不能問了都是說還在盤點問了都是還在檢討問了都是還在準備那這樣國人\n\n09:11.584 --> 09:17.498\n要各位坐在辦公室裡面每天就想著畫大餅就好了\n\n09:19.031 --> 09:39.757\n委員這件事情可能是要說明一下因為部長講得很清楚因為我們現在在觀察的部分我們也有一些相關的方案在研擬這個沒有問題所以會不會跟行政院爭取就是說行政院報出來的下個禮拜報出來的特別條例要送立法院裡面會不會有屬於交通部針對觀光協助的這一塊\n\n09:41.823 --> 09:54.914\n我們目前還在評估中因為我們自己本身也有積極預算所以我們相關的部分所以預算也都夠用嘛還在處理非常好署長講說預算都還很夠用來最後啦那個部長是\n\n09:56.778 --> 10:19.819\n方方面面很多問題今天真的時間有限來我只講幾個部分第一郵輪上個禮拜我們國際郵輪你剛有特別提到觀光部分那郵輪也有遇到這個delay的狀況那造成說前一班的郵輪3000多名被困在沖繩後一班被迫取消那我想國際上當然我有看到交通部馬上就已經要求是說要消機會等相關部會來做應變會議\n\n10:21.741 --> 10:47.306\n那現在的補償方案以及遊客的權益是不是有已經兼顧了目前已經講到差不多200美金的補償那看起來應該大部分的旅客應該是接受的所以從一開始的50美金然後到100美金到現在交通部介入之後爭取到200美金一個人還是一個艙位一個人一個人200美金來部長從最早50美金到100那現在已經20050嘛到100到現在到200好\n\n10:50.503 --> 11:13.336\n部長有沒有看到這就是有官方介入主管機關讓消費者擔任消費者的後盾跟靠山而且也讓這個國際業者當然業者要來開拓市場我們歡迎但是也要有合理的保護機制所以是不是因應未來我國更多的這種郵輪的旅遊我們事先研擬一個公平的標準\n\n11:14.056 --> 11:31.936\n就如果說未來發生類似的事情的時候就不用還要再開應變方案而是我們就已經預先有相關的保障如同類似消費者保護契約一樣就是能夠有一個標準讓所有業者依規則可循可以嗎永久說的這個部分我們正在做什麼時候可以做出來\n\n11:32.918 --> 11:53.167\n因為過去沒有嘛那我們現在因應這樣的一個狀況那未來我肯定現在正在做的部分那什麼時候能夠做出來那個部分其實有啦只不過他的保障可能還沒有那麼全面那我們現在在做修訂當中什麼時候能夠修訂出來因應未來有可能的狀況因為如果說郵輪越來越多那我們只有可能這樣的發生率\n\n11:53.727 --> 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