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00:01:12,055\n總統他的對等關稅的一個政策或者世界貿易的這樣的所謂的大戰有可能要引發你覺得對台灣來講這是台美單一的建議還是會是變成世界貿易的一個多方向的大戰你們現在的判斷是怎麼樣\n\n4\n00:01:14,159 --> 00:01:40,625\n因為我想川普政府現在所科徵的對等關稅是他的起手式我說就貿易的層面是起手式之一那這個起手式是針對超過180個國家來科徵的所以我想他應該不是他不是純粹一個台灣面對的問題而是全世界都正在處理那只是說每一個國家因為他面對的情況這個關稅的高低不同所以大家各自處理的方式就不同好\n\n5\n00:01:42,284 --> 00:01:55,789\n這個我覺得業界包括很多學者的看法大概跟你這樣蠻一致的因為這會觸發一個全世界的一個很多的一個變化因為現在不可預期90天之後會是發生什麼樣一個情況\n\n6\n00:01:56,829 --> 00:02:12,855\n整個世界貿易是如何的組合是產生了多邊還是大國效應還是區塊的能夠加緊密聯合我覺得因為時代有很多種變化但是大家應該可以確定這絕對不是單一台美的一些問題也就是說\n\n7\n00:02:14,716 --> 00:02:29,163\n你在談這件事的時候你要看一下看一下我在談好了譬如說剛剛講的這個非關稅貿易障礙美國現在只能進一年75輛的一個汽車那可是你說我們要改\n\n8\n00:02:30,163 --> 00:02:49,444\n沒有那麼簡單啊這是我們2002年參加WTO裡面選擇的我們聯合國歐洲的經濟委員會跟他們1958年的一個一個用他那邊的一個數字算出來的嘛那當然你也可以啊我跟你談然後我不理歐盟所以我覺得很多的關稅是一個問題和貿易障礙\n\n9\n00:02:51,866 --> 00:03:16,767\n非關稅貿易戰其實交通部還真的蠻多的真的蠻多的你們要好好去研究一下那請教一下我們財政部好不好財政部請問一下我們台灣前五大貿易順差國前五大貿易順差國這些貿易夥伴貿易夥伴大概有哪些不一定要排順序美國日本歐盟中國\n\n10\n00:03:18,432 --> 00:03:38,685\n歐盟沒有來這個部分因為這是你們的關務署的一個訊息那現在就是去年去年剛結帳去年現在看起來貿易順差排序的話第一名中國大陸跟香港第二名美國第三名新加坡第四名越南第五名馬來西亞\n\n11\n00:03:40,166 --> 00:03:52,492\n那這個部分我們是純粹用它的貿易順差的一個順序來排的那我們也看了一下光這個前五名前五名的一個貿易順差\n\n12\n00:03:58,188 --> 00:04:26,060\n他的比重到底多少也出口啦大家都知道我們出口多嘛人家進口少就感覺我們台灣的貿易順差感覺我們生意做得比較好那我們在出口排名前五名前五名就是順差前五名來看他的總金額這還沒有把日本加進來大概就已經將近七成到八成所以他比重是很強的也許我們後面還有五十個貿易夥伴五十個貿易夥伴但是金額是相對比較少的那我這樣講這個意思是什麼呢\n\n13\n00:04:26,940 --> 00:04:54,231\n我一看起來就知道這一次談判要非常重非常謹慎所以我看到行政院長也提出很多這些想法我希望談得很順利啦因為這東西知識體大對台灣的一個產業科技的產業甚至未來會不會經濟蕭條都非常有關聯但是我們希望剛剛我們副總代表談的是我相信很多的專家學員在想你們在談的時候要特別注意一件事情也就是說\n\n14\n00:04:55,231 --> 00:05:22,336\n美國這個非常重要它的一個出口額佔我們行政院公布的我們去年度總出口金額4750億美元的一個出口的總額大概佔23%當然重要四分之一但是你們要回頭去想7乘5還有7乘5我任何一個貿易一個措施一個互惠關係可能會什麼樣的影響我真的是建議你們要注意\n\n15\n00:05:23,537 --> 00:05:24,942\n那我想問一下次長\n\n16\n00:05:26,243 --> 00:05:46,676\n右邊川普經濟學首先我們要談判有一個基礎我們經常在地方做一些民間的處理那個基礎是很重要的譬如說車禍球場一個人開500萬然後你一上去是要從500萬開始談嗎但一般都會說抱歉100萬所以我們覺得現在給的基礎你認不認同美國32%第二個美國32%他簡單的算法就是就\n\n17\n00:05:55,402 --> 00:06:11,218\n美國來說他是逆差他就會吃虧了我貿易逆差基本上就是除以我的進口從台灣進口的總額然後再除以2大概是32%比例那你認不認同那如果你認同的話會有破窗效應\n\n18\n00:06:12,443 --> 00:06:32,408\n世界貿易會有破莊效應喔就哇台灣真的很棒是一個非常好的貿易夥伴我只要加加減減除除貿易順差國每一個都照這樣的去加減除除的話我只列前五大順差國這個部分來現在換你說第一個你認不認同這樣的一個算法這個數字\n\n19\n00:06:33,684 --> 00:06:53,914\n是跟委員報告這是川普政府他們計算對等關稅的這個方式其實我們在第一時間據我了解我們的外交單位跟我們的經貿談判辦公室已經跟美方傳達了一個不合理的一個方式是你覺得這個算數學啦不合理就是你們覺得OK啦\n\n20\n00:06:56,785 --> 00:07:22,504\n我想跟委員報告我想這個公式合不合理很多國家都有提出我們的不同質疑特別是它的公式的計算上就如同您剛才提到的它只有用逆差的數額跟出口到這個美國去的總金額來作為這個加減乘除的一個公式但是實際上它有加上一些變數包括譬如說台灣跟美國之間我們有一些進口價格的替代性或者是說它對於台灣的產品是不是一個剛性需求\n\n21\n00:07:23,084 --> 00:07:46,599\n這些每一個國家的係數就美國現在這個公式來說都是一樣的係數所以確實來說看起來有一些不合理的這是根本一個不合理的一個算法而且他算出來那個貿易順差逆差跟個別的關稅有些是根本沒有直接關聯的所以每個國家大部分都覺得一頭霧水那我覺得這個的部分絕對不是一個我們談判的基點\n\n22\n00:07:47,819 --> 00:08:09,134\n幾點我們自己要算出來好吧就算我們大概預估是什麼樣一個方向我真的要建議這個是非常非常重要像我們剛剛講說汽車的非關稅的貿易的這個障礙那這種真的還是蠻多的我要請部長回去尤其市長也在這裡你們真的要去盤點一下不是只有那個數字的問題\n\n23\n00:08:10,115 --> 00:08:35,234\n你們中間有太多了如果無限上綱的話就是我們幾年前抗爭的歐盟義大利的EVICO這個貨車你們規定五公噸以下只要一般的駕照就可以了但是加上這個車六公尺六公尺就不行你要去考貨車大貨車的一個駕照人家已經抗議了非常多次這是標準的如果就外國來講\n\n24\n00:08:36,135 --> 00:08:53,804\n是標準的非關稅的貿易障礙為什麼因為設計這個障礙我車就不用進口了所以我是覺得這個部分包括監理業務你車安的業務有很多的問題是需要去處理的最後經濟部長我最後\n\n25\n00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:10,494\n我覺得因為你們幾位最主要是談判的主力那當然國家的一個產業經濟在經濟部一個重責大任對於產業的訊息我看到你們也下槍去講那我想最後我做個結論\n\n26\n00:09:12,376 --> 00:09:34,135\n現在我們真的是希望在談判的時候不要產生那種破窗效應啊就說喔原來這樣的對台灣就可以喔原來我這樣的台灣就會來我這邊投資我覺得你們要特別注意這件事情但是我是真的建議啦建議給你們現在尤其談判代表現在看起來有四個籌碼\n\n27\n00:09:35,416 --> 00:09:44,974\n第一個公司部門對美國加大採購跟投資但是我要拜託一下所有談判的人都知道我跟我老婆做談判的時候也一定要\n\n28\n00:09:46,170 --> 00:10:10,005\n談好了才付錢你知道嗎你現在第一個談判頭碼你還沒談台積電一千萬他已經開了這叫先跑先跑通不算喔我在談判的過程大通也簽約了連電也都談好了我告訴你你政府如果出發到那裡的時候已經裝到別人口袋的時候不要作為談判頭碼我覺得你們要稍微控制一下\n\n29\n00:10:10,825 --> 00:10:21,582\n那至於說關稅要降低這看起來是第二個方向但如果是覺得你們到底是只對這個台美的關稅這樣那BNW會不會打電話來罵人換歐盟來抗議我們這要講一下\n\n30\n00:10:25,968 --> 00:10:49,425\n第三個外匯存體的投放運用那外界有很多的猜測請你們也要注意第四個我覺得跟交通部也非常有關係甚至農委會啊他現在非關稅的貿易障礙哪一些可以去調整哪一些是人家會問的我也希望你們事先去盤整希望台灣我們能夠在很安穩相對\n\n31\n00:10:51,326 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謝謝主席排今天的一個比較複合性的一個題目有這麼多的部會到達交通委員會首先是不是要請我們這個嚴副總代表因為要貿易談判我相信這個準備應該是長年在準備非常積極就請問一下我先問一下就是你覺得這一次就是川普\n54217\t72055\t總統他的對等關稅的一個政策或者世界貿易的這樣的所謂的大戰有可能要引發你覺得對台灣來講這是台美單一的建議還是會是變成世界貿易的一個多方向的大戰你們現在的判斷是怎麼樣\n74159\t100625\t因為我想川普政府現在所科徵的對等關稅是他的起手式我說就貿易的層面是起手式之一那這個起手式是針對超過180個國家來科徵的所以我想他應該不是他不是純粹一個台灣面對的問題而是全世界都正在處理那只是說每一個國家因為他面對的情況這個關稅的高低不同所以大家各自處理的方式就不同好\n102284\t115789\t這個我覺得業界包括很多學者的看法大概跟你這樣蠻一致的因為這會觸發一個全世界的一個很多的一個變化因為現在不可預期90天之後會是發生什麼樣一個情況\n116829\t132855\t整個世界貿易是如何的組合是產生了多邊還是大國效應還是區塊的能夠加緊密聯合我覺得因為時代有很多種變化但是大家應該可以確定這絕對不是單一台美的一些問題也就是說\n134716\t149163\t你在談這件事的時候你要看一下看一下我在談好了譬如說剛剛講的這個非關稅貿易障礙美國現在只能進一年75輛的一個汽車那可是你說我們要改\n150163\t169444\t沒有那麼簡單啊這是我們2002年參加WTO裡面選擇的我們聯合國歐洲的經濟委員會跟他們1958年的一個一個用他那邊的一個數字算出來的嘛那當然你也可以啊我跟你談然後我不理歐盟所以我覺得很多的關稅是一個問題和貿易障礙\n171866\t196767\t非關稅貿易戰其實交通部還真的蠻多的真的蠻多的你們要好好去研究一下那請教一下我們財政部好不好財政部請問一下我們台灣前五大貿易順差國前五大貿易順差國這些貿易夥伴貿易夥伴大概有哪些不一定要排順序美國 日本歐盟 中國\n198432\t218685\t歐盟沒有來這個部分因為這是你們的關務署的一個訊息那現在就是去年去年剛結帳去年現在看起來貿易順差排序的話第一名中國大陸跟香港第二名美國第三名新加坡第四名越南第五名馬來西亞\n220166\t232492\t那這個部分我們是純粹用它的貿易順差的一個順序來排的那我們也看了一下光這個前五名前五名的一個貿易順差\n238188\t266060\t他的比重到底多少也出口啦大家都知道我們出口多嘛人家進口少就感覺我們台灣的貿易順差感覺我們生意做得比較好那我們在出口排名前五名前五名就是順差前五名來看他的總金額這還沒有把日本加進來大概就已經將近七成到八成所以他比重是很強的也許我們後面還有五十個貿易夥伴五十個貿易夥伴但是金額是相對比較少的那我這樣講這個意思是什麼呢\n266940\t294231\t我一看起來就知道這一次談判要非常重非常謹慎所以我看到行政院長也提出很多這些想法我希望談得很順利啦因為這東西知識體大對台灣的一個產業科技的產業甚至未來會不會經濟蕭條都非常有關聯但是我們希望剛剛我們副總代表談的是我相信很多的專家學員在想你們在談的時候要特別注意一件事情也就是說\n295231\t322336\t美國這個非常重要它的一個出口額佔我們行政院公布的我們去年度總出口金額4750億美元的一個出口的總額大概佔23%當然重要 四分之一但是你們要回頭去想7乘5還有7乘5我任何一個貿易一個措施 一個互惠關係可能會什麼樣的影響我真的是建議你們要注意\n323537\t324942\t那我想問一下次長\n326243\t346676\t右邊川普經濟學首先我們要談判有一個基礎我們經常在地方做一些民間的處理那個基礎是很重要的譬如說車禍球場一個人開500萬然後你一上去是要從500萬開始談嗎但一般都會說抱歉100萬所以我們覺得現在給的基礎你認不認同美國32%第二個美國32%他簡單的算法就是就\n355402\t371218\t美國來說他是逆差他就會吃虧了我貿易逆差基本上就是除以我的進口從台灣進口的總額然後再除以2大概是32%比例那你認不認同那如果你認同的話會有破窗效應\n372443\t392408\t世界貿易會有破莊效應喔就哇台灣真的很棒是一個非常好的貿易夥伴我只要加加減減除除貿易順差國每一個都照這樣的去加減除除的話我只列前五大順差國這個部分來現在換你說第一個你認不認同這樣的一個算法這個數字\n393684\t413914\t是跟委員報告這是川普政府他們計算對等關稅的這個方式其實我們在第一時間據我了解我們的外交單位跟我們的經貿談判辦公室已經跟美方傳達了一個不合理的一個方式是你覺得這個算數學啦不合理就是你們覺得OK啦\n416785\t442504\t我想跟委員報告我想這個公式合不合理很多國家都有提出我們的不同質疑特別是它的公式的計算上就如同您剛才提到的它只有用逆差的數額跟出口到這個美國去的總金額來作為這個加減乘除的一個公式但是實際上它有加上一些變數包括譬如說台灣跟美國之間我們有一些進口價格的替代性或者是說它對於台灣的產品是不是一個剛性需求\n443084\t466599\t這些每一個國家的係數就美國現在這個公式來說都是一樣的係數所以確實來說看起來有一些不合理的這是根本一個不合理的一個算法而且他算出來那個貿易順差逆差跟個別的關稅有些是根本沒有直接關聯的所以每個國家大部分都覺得一頭霧水那我覺得這個的部分絕對不是一個我們談判的基點\n467819\t489134\t幾點我們自己要算出來好吧就算我們大概預估是什麼樣一個方向我真的要建議這個是非常非常重要像我們剛剛講說汽車的非關稅的貿易的這個障礙那這種真的還是蠻多的我要請部長回去尤其市長也在這裡你們真的要去盤點一下不是只有那個數字的問題\n490115\t515234\t你們中間有太多了如果無限上綱的話就是我們幾年前抗爭的歐盟義大利的EVICO這個貨車你們規定五公噸以下只要一般的駕照就可以了但是加上這個車六公尺六公尺就不行你要去考貨車大貨車的一個駕照人家已經抗議了非常多次這是標準的如果就外國來講\n516135\t533804\t是標準的非關稅的貿易障礙為什麼因為設計這個障礙我車就不用進口了所以我是覺得這個部分包括監理業務你車安的業務有很多的問題是需要去處理的最後經濟部長我最後\n536840\t550494\t我覺得因為你們幾位最主要是談判的主力那當然國家的一個產業經濟在經濟部一個重責大任對於產業的訊息我看到你們也下槍去講那我想最後我做個結論\n552376\t574135\t現在我們真的是希望在談判的時候不要產生那種破窗效應啊就說 喔 原來這樣的對台灣就可以喔 原來我這樣的台灣就會來我這邊投資我覺得你們要特別注意這件事情但是我是真的建議啦建議給你們現在 尤其談判代表現在看起來有四個籌碼\n575416\t584974\t第一個公司部門對美國加大採購跟投資但是我要拜託一下所有談判的人都知道我跟我老婆做談判的時候也一定要\n586170\t610005\t談好了才付錢你知道嗎你現在第一個談判頭碼你還沒談台積電一千萬他已經開了這叫先跑先跑通不算喔我在談判的過程大通也簽約了連電也都談好了我告訴你你政府如果出發到那裡的時候已經裝到別人口袋的時候不要作為談判頭碼我覺得你們要稍微控制一下\n610825\t621582\t那至於說關稅要降低這看起來是第二個方向但如果是覺得你們到底是只對這個台美的關稅這樣那BNW會不會打電話來罵人換歐盟來抗議我們這要講一下\n625968\t649425\t第三個外匯存體的投放運用那外界有很多的猜測請你們也要注意第四個我覺得跟交通部也非常有關係甚至農委會啊他現在非關稅的貿易障礙哪一些可以去調整哪一些是人家會問的我也希望你們事先去盤整希望台灣我們能夠在很安穩相對\n651326\t655589\t相對好的情況來挺過這一次的川普經濟學謝謝大家\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席核許我們交通部陳部長好 陳部長還有我們經濟部何次長何次長來財政部謝次長好還有我們行政院經貿談判辦公室的嚴副總代表委員好\n好 謝謝四位 謝謝主席排今天的一個比較複合性的一個題目有這麼多的部會到達交通委員會首先是不是要請我們這個嚴副總代表因為要貿易談判我相信這個準備應該是長年在準備非常積極就請問一下我先問一下就是你覺得這一次就是川普\n總統他的對等關稅的一個政策或者世界貿易的這樣的所謂的大戰有可能要引發你覺得對台灣來講這是台美單一的建議還是會是變成世界貿易的一個多方向的大戰你們現在的判斷是怎麼樣\n因為我想川普政府現在所科徵的對等關稅是他的起手式我說就貿易的層面是起手式之一那這個起手式是針對超過180個國家來科徵的所以我想他應該不是他不是純粹一個台灣面對的問題而是全世界都正在處理那只是說每一個國家因為他面對的情況這個關稅的高低不同所以大家各自處理的方式就不同好\n這個我覺得業界包括很多學者的看法大概跟你這樣蠻一致的因為這會觸發一個全世界的一個很多的一個變化因為現在不可預期90天之後會是發生什麼樣一個情況\n整個世界貿易是如何的組合是產生了多邊還是大國效應還是區塊的能夠加緊密聯合我覺得因為時代有很多種變化但是大家應該可以確定這絕對不是單一台美的一些問題也就是說\n你在談這件事的時候你要看一下看一下我在談好了譬如說剛剛講的這個非關稅貿易障礙美國現在只能進一年75輛的一個汽車那可是你說我們要改\n沒有那麼簡單啊這是我們2002年參加WTO裡面選擇的我們聯合國歐洲的經濟委員會跟他們1958年的一個一個用他那邊的一個數字算出來的嘛那當然你也可以啊我跟你談然後我不理歐盟所以我覺得很多的關稅是一個問題和貿易障礙\n非關稅貿易戰其實交通部還真的蠻多的真的蠻多的你們要好好去研究一下那請教一下我們財政部好不好財政部請問一下我們台灣前五大貿易順差國前五大貿易順差國這些貿易夥伴貿易夥伴大概有哪些不一定要排順序美國 日本歐盟 中國\n歐盟沒有來這個部分因為這是你們的關務署的一個訊息那現在就是去年去年剛結帳去年現在看起來貿易順差排序的話第一名中國大陸跟香港第二名美國第三名新加坡第四名越南第五名馬來西亞\n那這個部分我們是純粹用它的貿易順差的一個順序來排的那我們也看了一下光這個前五名前五名的一個貿易順差\n他的比重到底多少也出口啦大家都知道我們出口多嘛人家進口少就感覺我們台灣的貿易順差感覺我們生意做得比較好那我們在出口排名前五名前五名就是順差前五名來看他的總金額這還沒有把日本加進來大概就已經將近七成到八成所以他比重是很強的也許我們後面還有五十個貿易夥伴五十個貿易夥伴但是金額是相對比較少的那我這樣講這個意思是什麼呢\n我一看起來就知道這一次談判要非常重非常謹慎所以我看到行政院長也提出很多這些想法我希望談得很順利啦因為這東西知識體大對台灣的一個產業科技的產業甚至未來會不會經濟蕭條都非常有關聯但是我們希望剛剛我們副總代表談的是我相信很多的專家學員在想你們在談的時候要特別注意一件事情也就是說\n美國這個非常重要它的一個出口額佔我們行政院公布的我們去年度總出口金額4750億美元的一個出口的總額大概佔23%當然重要 四分之一但是你們要回頭去想7乘5還有7乘5我任何一個貿易一個措施 一個互惠關係可能會什麼樣的影響我真的是建議你們要注意\n那我想問一下次長\n右邊川普經濟學首先我們要談判有一個基礎我們經常在地方做一些民間的處理那個基礎是很重要的譬如說車禍球場一個人開500萬然後你一上去是要從500萬開始談嗎但一般都會說抱歉100萬所以我們覺得現在給的基礎你認不認同美國32%第二個美國32%他簡單的算法就是就\n美國來說他是逆差他就會吃虧了我貿易逆差基本上就是除以我的進口從台灣進口的總額然後再除以2大概是32%比例那你認不認同那如果你認同的話會有破窗效應\n世界貿易會有破莊效應喔就哇台灣真的很棒是一個非常好的貿易夥伴我只要加加減減除除貿易順差國每一個都照這樣的去加減除除的話我只列前五大順差國這個部分來現在換你說第一個你認不認同這樣的一個算法這個數字\n是跟委員報告這是川普政府他們計算對等關稅的這個方式其實我們在第一時間據我了解我們的外交單位跟我們的經貿談判辦公室已經跟美方傳達了一個不合理的一個方式是你覺得這個算數學啦不合理就是你們覺得OK啦\n我想跟委員報告我想這個公式合不合理很多國家都有提出我們的不同質疑特別是它的公式的計算上就如同您剛才提到的它只有用逆差的數額跟出口到這個美國去的總金額來作為這個加減乘除的一個公式但是實際上它有加上一些變數包括譬如說台灣跟美國之間我們有一些進口價格的替代性或者是說它對於台灣的產品是不是一個剛性需求\n這些每一個國家的係數就美國現在這個公式來說都是一樣的係數所以確實來說看起來有一些不合理的這是根本一個不合理的一個算法而且他算出來那個貿易順差逆差跟個別的關稅有些是根本沒有直接關聯的所以每個國家大部分都覺得一頭霧水那我覺得這個的部分絕對不是一個我們談判的基點\n幾點我們自己要算出來好吧就算我們大概預估是什麼樣一個方向我真的要建議這個是非常非常重要像我們剛剛講說汽車的非關稅的貿易的這個障礙那這種真的還是蠻多的我要請部長回去尤其市長也在這裡你們真的要去盤點一下不是只有那個數字的問題\n你們中間有太多了如果無限上綱的話就是我們幾年前抗爭的歐盟義大利的EVICO這個貨車你們規定五公噸以下只要一般的駕照就可以了但是加上這個車六公尺六公尺就不行你要去考貨車大貨車的一個駕照人家已經抗議了非常多次這是標準的如果就外國來講\n是標準的非關稅的貿易障礙為什麼因為設計這個障礙我車就不用進口了所以我是覺得這個部分包括監理業務你車安的業務有很多的問題是需要去處理的最後經濟部長我最後\n我覺得因為你們幾位最主要是談判的主力那當然國家的一個產業經濟在經濟部一個重責大任對於產業的訊息我看到你們也下槍去講那我想最後我做個結論\n現在我們真的是希望在談判的時候不要產生那種破窗效應啊就說 喔 原來這樣的對台灣就可以喔 原來我這樣的台灣就會來我這邊投資我覺得你們要特別注意這件事情但是我是真的建議啦建議給你們現在 尤其談判代表現在看起來有四個籌碼\n第一個公司部門對美國加大採購跟投資但是我要拜託一下所有談判的人都知道我跟我老婆做談判的時候也一定要\n談好了才付錢你知道嗎你現在第一個談判頭碼你還沒談台積電一千萬他已經開了這叫先跑先跑通不算喔我在談判的過程大通也簽約了連電也都談好了我告訴你你政府如果出發到那裡的時候已經裝到別人口袋的時候不要作為談判頭碼我覺得你們要稍微控制一下\n那至於說關稅要降低這看起來是第二個方向但如果是覺得你們到底是只對這個台美的關稅這樣那BNW會不會打電話來罵人換歐盟來抗議我們這要講一下\n第三個外匯存體的投放運用那外界有很多的猜測請你們也要注意第四個我覺得跟交通部也非常有關係甚至農委會啊他現在非關稅的貿易障礙哪一些可以去調整哪一些是人家會問的我也希望你們事先去盤整希望台灣我們能夠在很安穩相對\n相對好的情況來挺過這一次的川普經濟學謝謝大家\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.073 --> 00:20.537\n好謝謝主席核許我們交通部陳部長好陳部長還有我們經濟部何次長何次長來財政部謝次長好還有我們行政院經貿談判辦公室的嚴副總代表委員好\n\n00:29.451 --> 00:52.436\n好謝謝四位謝謝主席排今天的一個比較複合性的一個題目有這麼多的部會到達交通委員會首先是不是要請我們這個嚴副總代表因為要貿易談判我相信這個準備應該是長年在準備非常積極就請問一下我先問一下就是你覺得這一次就是川普\n\n00:54.217 --> 01:12.055\n總統他的對等關稅的一個政策或者世界貿易的這樣的所謂的大戰有可能要引發你覺得對台灣來講這是台美單一的建議還是會是變成世界貿易的一個多方向的大戰你們現在的判斷是怎麼樣\n\n01:14.159 --> 01:40.625\n因為我想川普政府現在所科徵的對等關稅是他的起手式我說就貿易的層面是起手式之一那這個起手式是針對超過180個國家來科徵的所以我想他應該不是他不是純粹一個台灣面對的問題而是全世界都正在處理那只是說每一個國家因為他面對的情況這個關稅的高低不同所以大家各自處理的方式就不同好\n\n01:42.284 --> 01:55.789\n這個我覺得業界包括很多學者的看法大概跟你這樣蠻一致的因為這會觸發一個全世界的一個很多的一個變化因為現在不可預期90天之後會是發生什麼樣一個情況\n\n01:56.829 --> 02:12.855\n整個世界貿易是如何的組合是產生了多邊還是大國效應還是區塊的能夠加緊密聯合我覺得因為時代有很多種變化但是大家應該可以確定這絕對不是單一台美的一些問題也就是說\n\n02:14.716 --> 02:29.163\n你在談這件事的時候你要看一下看一下我在談好了譬如說剛剛講的這個非關稅貿易障礙美國現在只能進一年75輛的一個汽車那可是你說我們要改\n\n02:30.163 --> 02:49.444\n沒有那麼簡單啊這是我們2002年參加WTO裡面選擇的我們聯合國歐洲的經濟委員會跟他們1958年的一個一個用他那邊的一個數字算出來的嘛那當然你也可以啊我跟你談然後我不理歐盟所以我覺得很多的關稅是一個問題和貿易障礙\n\n02:51.866 --> 03:16.767\n非關稅貿易戰其實交通部還真的蠻多的真的蠻多的你們要好好去研究一下那請教一下我們財政部好不好財政部請問一下我們台灣前五大貿易順差國前五大貿易順差國這些貿易夥伴貿易夥伴大概有哪些不一定要排順序美國日本歐盟中國\n\n03:18.432 --> 03:38.685\n歐盟沒有來這個部分因為這是你們的關務署的一個訊息那現在就是去年去年剛結帳去年現在看起來貿易順差排序的話第一名中國大陸跟香港第二名美國第三名新加坡第四名越南第五名馬來西亞\n\n03:40.166 --> 03:52.492\n那這個部分我們是純粹用它的貿易順差的一個順序來排的那我們也看了一下光這個前五名前五名的一個貿易順差\n\n03:58.188 --> 04:26.060\n他的比重到底多少也出口啦大家都知道我們出口多嘛人家進口少就感覺我們台灣的貿易順差感覺我們生意做得比較好那我們在出口排名前五名前五名就是順差前五名來看他的總金額這還沒有把日本加進來大概就已經將近七成到八成所以他比重是很強的也許我們後面還有五十個貿易夥伴五十個貿易夥伴但是金額是相對比較少的那我這樣講這個意思是什麼呢\n\n04:26.940 --> 04:54.231\n我一看起來就知道這一次談判要非常重非常謹慎所以我看到行政院長也提出很多這些想法我希望談得很順利啦因為這東西知識體大對台灣的一個產業科技的產業甚至未來會不會經濟蕭條都非常有關聯但是我們希望剛剛我們副總代表談的是我相信很多的專家學員在想你們在談的時候要特別注意一件事情也就是說\n\n04:55.231 --> 05:22.336\n美國這個非常重要它的一個出口額佔我們行政院公布的我們去年度總出口金額4750億美元的一個出口的總額大概佔23%當然重要四分之一但是你們要回頭去想7乘5還有7乘5我任何一個貿易一個措施一個互惠關係可能會什麼樣的影響我真的是建議你們要注意\n\n05:23.537 --> 05:24.942\n那我想問一下次長\n\n05:26.243 --> 05:46.676\n右邊川普經濟學首先我們要談判有一個基礎我們經常在地方做一些民間的處理那個基礎是很重要的譬如說車禍球場一個人開500萬然後你一上去是要從500萬開始談嗎但一般都會說抱歉100萬所以我們覺得現在給的基礎你認不認同美國32%第二個美國32%他簡單的算法就是就\n\n05:55.402 --> 06:11.218\n美國來說他是逆差他就會吃虧了我貿易逆差基本上就是除以我的進口從台灣進口的總額然後再除以2大概是32%比例那你認不認同那如果你認同的話會有破窗效應\n\n06:12.443 --> 06:32.408\n世界貿易會有破莊效應喔就哇台灣真的很棒是一個非常好的貿易夥伴我只要加加減減除除貿易順差國每一個都照這樣的去加減除除的話我只列前五大順差國這個部分來現在換你說第一個你認不認同這樣的一個算法這個數字\n\n06:33.684 --> 06:53.914\n是跟委員報告這是川普政府他們計算對等關稅的這個方式其實我們在第一時間據我了解我們的外交單位跟我們的經貿談判辦公室已經跟美方傳達了一個不合理的一個方式是你覺得這個算數學啦不合理就是你們覺得OK啦\n\n06:56.785 --> 07:22.504\n我想跟委員報告我想這個公式合不合理很多國家都有提出我們的不同質疑特別是它的公式的計算上就如同您剛才提到的它只有用逆差的數額跟出口到這個美國去的總金額來作為這個加減乘除的一個公式但是實際上它有加上一些變數包括譬如說台灣跟美國之間我們有一些進口價格的替代性或者是說它對於台灣的產品是不是一個剛性需求\n\n07:23.084 --> 07:46.599\n這些每一個國家的係數就美國現在這個公式來說都是一樣的係數所以確實來說看起來有一些不合理的這是根本一個不合理的一個算法而且他算出來那個貿易順差逆差跟個別的關稅有些是根本沒有直接關聯的所以每個國家大部分都覺得一頭霧水那我覺得這個的部分絕對不是一個我們談判的基點\n\n07:47.819 --> 08:09.134\n幾點我們自己要算出來好吧就算我們大概預估是什麼樣一個方向我真的要建議這個是非常非常重要像我們剛剛講說汽車的非關稅的貿易的這個障礙那這種真的還是蠻多的我要請部長回去尤其市長也在這裡你們真的要去盤點一下不是只有那個數字的問題\n\n08:10.115 --> 08:35.234\n你們中間有太多了如果無限上綱的話就是我們幾年前抗爭的歐盟義大利的EVICO這個貨車你們規定五公噸以下只要一般的駕照就可以了但是加上這個車六公尺六公尺就不行你要去考貨車大貨車的一個駕照人家已經抗議了非常多次這是標準的如果就外國來講\n\n08:36.135 --> 08:53.804\n是標準的非關稅的貿易障礙為什麼因為設計這個障礙我車就不用進口了所以我是覺得這個部分包括監理業務你車安的業務有很多的問題是需要去處理的最後經濟部長我最後\n\n08:56.840 --> 09:10.494\n我覺得因為你們幾位最主要是談判的主力那當然國家的一個產業經濟在經濟部一個重責大任對於產業的訊息我看到你們也下槍去講那我想最後我做個結論\n\n09:12.376 --> 09:34.135\n現在我們真的是希望在談判的時候不要產生那種破窗效應啊就說喔原來這樣的對台灣就可以喔原來我這樣的台灣就會來我這邊投資我覺得你們要特別注意這件事情但是我是真的建議啦建議給你們現在尤其談判代表現在看起來有四個籌碼\n\n09:35.416 --> 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