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00:02:40,125\n就是因為他們本來要投資的現在因為對等關稅的問題可能會暫緩投資或是設廠的問題這個部分的話我們也希望橫向方面不管是跟國發會或是財政部那邊也給他們適當的一個比較暢通的溝通的管道好不好\n\n9\n00:02:52,879 --> 00:03:10,516\n是在桃園的部分確實如委員所指教的土地的問題我們現在因為桃園大概土地已經比較少了可以做生產的土地會比較少我們現在在南部嘉義以南大概有四個工業區是經濟部所屬的產業園區\n\n10\n00:03:14,460 --> 00:03:30,663\n然後這裡面大概加起來好幾百公頃那我們採取因為大家現在都覺得土地太貴像桃園的土地真的就是非常的貴不利於生產所以我們幫助他們我們現在的土地只租不售只租不售\n\n11\n00:03:31,184 --> 00:03:54,721\n那對於這個租金的部分我們都可以考慮在他現場的時候考慮給他一些或者是融資或者是他的租賃問題對這個部分我們都會根據業者他們的這個需求滾動式的這個改善也就是幫助這個業者能夠順利的這個返台然後在台灣所以部長這個我們已經開了四場後面還有幾場嗎還是各縣市會陸續依序我們會\n\n12\n00:03:58,644 --> 00:04:27,784\n各地來展開各地來展開這些因為你都去座談的市場你知道業界很多聲音很多需求必須要給大家給我們長官們知道才能夠給他們溝通給他們一個管道給他們做個協助這個才是我們的本意所以我們希望這方面的話我們就依序陸續在辦後面還有幾場呢你說辦座談會是不是對座談會我們大概目前我收到的大概有三場\n\n13\n00:04:28,624 --> 00:04:39,289\n還要再增加三場包括新北台南等等加起來有三場好部長會有這種對等關稅的問題就是美國他要解決的他們這個逆差的問題嘛那這個逆差的問題的話我們賴總統的話也特別說要對美國擴大來增加這個\n\n14\n00:04:47,272 --> 00:05:00,737\n採購那部長您這邊的Title也說要針對這個最主要大宗的這個天然氣的採購那我們看到我們對美國的天然氣的採購是百分之在我們整個進口量來講的話是佔了百分之九點八\n\n15\n00:05:01,677 --> 00:05:21,073\n那因為美國我們購買的話運輸成本的問題要考慮到所以我們才會只有9.8%因為在美國運輸的話大概要20天左右那其他國家像澳洲的話大概是10天卡達的話大概是15天左右那現在我們跟美國擴大這天然氣的採購部長有沒有想到這成本問題那當然在3月20號的時候有提到說美國的阿拉斯加啦\n\n16\n00:05:26,758 --> 00:05:32,182\n阿拉斯加如果這個採礦採購這個天然氣的話它的運輸的話會縮減到10天那我們成本當然會降低但是還是未支出還沒有採購雖然要投資將近440億美元但是哪些國家會投資有順利嗎就算你順利的話也在2030年那這個5年的時間我們對美國的採購天然氣的話\n\n17\n00:05:52,498 --> 00:06:06,311\n那有可能就會到他們的本土地方那本土的運輸還是一樣這麼久的時間運輸成本還是會提高難道部長還要讓我們中油跟台電要承受這個成本虧損的問題這麼嚴峻嗎\n\n18\n00:06:09,039 --> 00:06:38,179\n報告委員我想這個就是成本的問題啦那採購多少量量價這些都有關係啦那所以剛才那個鄭委員也有問我這個說為什麼我當初跟他講這個跟別的委員講這個幅度不太一樣確實是這樣子就是說因為量價的關係我們當然方向是未來的方向可能是朝一個比較高一點的目標啦這就是看談判的這樣的一個結果是怎麼樣子\n\n19\n00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:55,208\n所以我們也沒有辦法確定但是以目前來講不到10%的這個採購量我們當然是衡量怎麼樣子透過採購的力量然後可以讓我們取得的這個成本更低這個是我們的目標10年2000億的採購\n\n20\n00:06:57,329 --> 00:07:00,930\n剛剛有人問到這清單問題我覺得這清單我們不要被動它給我們什麼東西我們就買什麼要我們台灣有需要什麼我們去買什麼譬如說你天然氣我們有需要我們去購買那除了這個主要的這個原料跟天然氣以外還有很多的像機械的用具或者是電機設備精密的儀器跟航空器等等這些也是我們進口的大品項裡面\n\n21\n00:07:23,635 --> 00:07:39,268\n所以我們也可以把這些我們需求的量了多少把它放入清單我們主動出局主動提供去溝通這才是我們談判對雙方都有利的是不是是的我想談判都是彼此大家雙方來交換彼此的需求不是單方面的啦\n\n22\n00:07:39,688 --> 00:07:59,687\n都是雙方面的彼此交換需求然後去談出一個好的良善的一個結果所以我想委員所提示的這一些部分也都是我們考慮的範圍所以這要注意的也是我們考慮的範圍還有就是說美國對於各國的這個對等關稅率那其中\n\n23\n00:08:01,516 --> 00:08:24,372\n有其他國家會擔心一個洗產地為什麼提到這個部分就像菲律賓的話才18%新加坡的話10%那菲律賓的克克珍這個18%的稅率遠低於台灣的32%那我們政府若是依照你原先的計畫要到菲律賓設置這個產業園區的話會不會被美方認為說你是有特定要洗產地的嫌疑\n\n24\n00:08:25,593 --> 00:08:50,325\n報告委員我想我們目前大家在談的32%18%這些都是暫定的稅率所以現在這些都已經被調到所謂的基本的稅率10%那我想這90天以後才會明朗化所以對我們來講我們都在爭取在台灣台灣的業者都可以找到一個具有競爭力的這樣的一個關稅條件\n\n25\n00:08:53,146 --> 00:09:05,290\n那我們在達成這個總統的這個日不落國的競爭條件也是一樣我們會幫助台灣的業者找到具有競爭這個位置競爭的這個區域來把他的這個市場擴大我們剛剛講過了這個全球的市場\n\n26\n00:09:12,293 --> 00:09:33,415\n我想剛才劉主委也講得非常清楚全球市場不是只有美國全球市場這麼大我們的模式就是幫助台灣的產業找到具有競爭力的方向找到這樣的競爭力的產品讓我們在台灣幫助它提升它的競爭力這個是我們經濟部最主要的工作\n\n27\n00:09:34,335 --> 00:09:59,909\n所以在這邊也提醒部長包括我們的劉組委跟我們次長那針對於這個對等關稅我們還是在這個整個清單裡面的話我們不是一定是天然氣也可以有新的核能新的核能的採購的話也是一個擴大採購的一個方式這也是可以做的那至於說這個稀產地這個方面的話我們也要多去關心\n\n28\n00:10:00,849 --> 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你有認真聽因為我有參加這個座談所以產業提出來了不只是這些有關於電的問題還有土地的問題等等\n157342\t160125\t就是因為他們本來要投資的現在因為對等關稅的問題可能會暫緩投資或是設廠的問題這個部分的話我們也希望橫向方面不管是跟國發會或是財政部那邊也給他們適當的一個比較暢通的溝通的管道好不好\n172879\t190516\t是在桃園的部分確實如委員所指教的土地的問題我們現在因為桃園大概土地已經比較少了可以做生產的土地會比較少我們現在在南部嘉義以南大概有四個工業區是經濟部所屬的產業園區\n194460\t210663\t然後這裡面大概加起來好幾百公頃那我們採取因為大家現在都覺得土地太貴像桃園的土地真的就是非常的貴不利於生產所以我們幫助他們我們現在的土地只租不售只租不售\n211184\t234721\t那對於這個租金的部分我們都可以考慮在他現場的時候考慮給他一些或者是融資或者是他的租賃問題對這個部分我們都會根據業者他們的這個需求滾動式的這個改善也就是幫助這個業者能夠順利的這個返台然後在台灣所以部長這個我們已經開了四場後面還有幾場嗎還是各縣市會陸續依序我們會\n238644\t267784\t各地來展開各地來展開這些因為你都去座談的市場你知道業界很多聲音很多需求必須要給大家給我們長官們知道才能夠給他們溝通給他們一個管道給他們做個協助這個才是我們的本意所以我們希望這方面的話我們就依序陸續在辦後面還有幾場呢你說辦座談會是不是對座談會我們大概目前我收到的大概有三場\n268624\t279289\t還要再增加三場 包括新北 台南等等加起來有三場好 部長會有這種對等關稅的問題就是美國他要解決的他們這個逆差的問題嘛那這個逆差的問題的話我們賴總統的話也特別說要對美國擴大來增加這個\n287272\t300737\t採購那部長您這邊的Title也說要針對這個最主要大宗的這個天然氣的採購那我們看到我們對美國的天然氣的採購是百分之在我們整個進口量來講的話是佔了百分之九點八\n301677\t321073\t那因為美國我們購買的話運輸成本的問題要考慮到所以我們才會只有9.8%因為在美國運輸的話大概要20天左右那其他國家像澳洲的話大概是10天卡達的話大概是15天左右那現在我們跟美國擴大這天然氣的採購部長有沒有想到這成本問題那當然在3月20號的時候有提到說美國的阿拉斯加啦\n326758\t332182\t阿拉斯加如果這個採礦採購這個天然氣的話它的運輸的話會縮減到10天那我們成本當然會降低但是還是未支出 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請郭部長\n美國原先規劃了台灣的要課徵32%的對等關稅在4月9日宣布了各國的對等關稅暫緩了90天而且只是徵收了10%的基準關稅這也是有給我們充足的時間可以對於未來整個情勢的演變做好準備\n所以说我们的行政院也特别也下乡了去做一个我们产业的请听之旅来针对这个产业的对对等干税所面临的困境还有什么需求的部分的话来做协助部长您也有亲自过去第一站就到我们桃园\n包括桃園台中彰化跟高雄那部長你也聽到說產業很多的需求這些需求除了你們六個層面去給協助幫忙之外那很多產業所提出來的問題部長你認為這些問題你有什麼解決的方案或者是你還有加強什麼哪些部分嗎是報告委員我想很多的這個在這個座談過程中發現有一些剛開始我們可能稍微沒有想到的問題那也非常好\n透過這樣的一個座談我們發現有一些需要改正譬如說很多的業者關心我們會不會雨天收傘\n那這個問題是當初我們沒有想像到的那也謝謝大家的關心我們馬上做出一個這個就貸展延的這樣的一個措施就是說就有了貸款當你有認為有需要的時候那麼你這個企業要繼續的經營下去利息可以繳我們同意馬上展延六個月展延六個月然後你可以繳息不還本然後信保基金的配合這些展延的保證\n這個就是第一件事情再來就是說有的廠商反應說你這個保證的額度是不是能夠再加大一點我們這方面都有調整不是 你有認真聽因為我有參加這個座談所以產業提出來了不只是這些有關於電的問題還有土地的問題等等\n就是因為他們本來要投資的現在因為對等關稅的問題可能會暫緩投資或是設廠的問題這個部分的話我們也希望橫向方面不管是跟國發會或是財政部那邊也給他們適當的一個比較暢通的溝通的管道好不好\n是在桃園的部分確實如委員所指教的土地的問題我們現在因為桃園大概土地已經比較少了可以做生產的土地會比較少我們現在在南部嘉義以南大概有四個工業區是經濟部所屬的產業園區\n然後這裡面大概加起來好幾百公頃那我們採取因為大家現在都覺得土地太貴像桃園的土地真的就是非常的貴不利於生產所以我們幫助他們我們現在的土地只租不售只租不售\n那對於這個租金的部分我們都可以考慮在他現場的時候考慮給他一些或者是融資或者是他的租賃問題對這個部分我們都會根據業者他們的這個需求滾動式的這個改善也就是幫助這個業者能夠順利的這個返台然後在台灣所以部長這個我們已經開了四場後面還有幾場嗎還是各縣市會陸續依序我們會\n各地來展開各地來展開這些因為你都去座談的市場你知道業界很多聲音很多需求必須要給大家給我們長官們知道才能夠給他們溝通給他們一個管道給他們做個協助這個才是我們的本意所以我們希望這方面的話我們就依序陸續在辦後面還有幾場呢你說辦座談會是不是對座談會我們大概目前我收到的大概有三場\n還要再增加三場 包括新北 台南等等加起來有三場好 部長會有這種對等關稅的問題就是美國他要解決的他們這個逆差的問題嘛那這個逆差的問題的話我們賴總統的話也特別說要對美國擴大來增加這個\n採購那部長您這邊的Title也說要針對這個最主要大宗的這個天然氣的採購那我們看到我們對美國的天然氣的採購是百分之在我們整個進口量來講的話是佔了百分之九點八\n那因為美國我們購買的話運輸成本的問題要考慮到所以我們才會只有9.8%因為在美國運輸的話大概要20天左右那其他國家像澳洲的話大概是10天卡達的話大概是15天左右那現在我們跟美國擴大這天然氣的採購部長有沒有想到這成本問題那當然在3月20號的時候有提到說美國的阿拉斯加啦\n阿拉斯加如果這個採礦採購這個天然氣的話它的運輸的話會縮減到10天那我們成本當然會降低但是還是未支出 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部長會有這種對等關稅的問題就是美國他要解決的他們這個逆差的問題嘛那這個逆差的問題的話我們賴總統的話也特別說要對美國擴大來增加這個"},{"start":287.272,"end":300.737,"text":"採購那部長您這邊的Title也說要針對這個最主要大宗的這個天然氣的採購那我們看到我們對美國的天然氣的採購是百分之在我們整個進口量來講的話是佔了百分之九點八"},{"start":301.677,"end":321.073,"text":"那因為美國我們購買的話運輸成本的問題要考慮到所以我們才會只有9.8%因為在美國運輸的話大概要20天左右那其他國家像澳洲的話大概是10天卡達的話大概是15天左右那現在我們跟美國擴大這天然氣的採購部長有沒有想到這成本問題那當然在3月20號的時候有提到說美國的阿拉斯加啦"},{"start":326.758,"end":332.182,"text":"阿拉斯加如果這個採礦採購這個天然氣的話它的運輸的話會縮減到10天那我們成本當然會降低但是還是未支出 還沒有採購雖然要投資將近440億美元但是哪些國家會投資有順利嗎就算你順利的話也在2030年那這個5年的時間我們對美國的採購天然氣的話"},{"start":352.498,"end":366.311,"text":"那有可能就會到他們的本土地方那本土的運輸還是一樣這麼久的時間運輸成本還是會提高難道部長還要讓我們中油跟台電要承受這個成本虧損的問題這麼嚴峻嗎"},{"start":369.039,"end":398.179,"text":"報告委員我想這個就是成本的問題啦那採購多少量量價這些都有關係啦那所以剛才那個鄭委員也有問我這個說為什麼我當初跟他講這個跟別的委員講這個幅度不太一樣確實是這樣子就是說因為量價的關係我們當然方向是未來的方向可能是朝一個比較高一點的目標啦這就是看談判的這樣的一個結果是怎麼樣子"},{"start":399.279,"end":415.208,"text":"所以我們也沒有辦法確定但是以目前來講不到10%的這個採購量我們當然是衡量怎麼樣子透過採購的力量然後可以讓我們取得的這個成本更低這個是我們的目標10年2000億的採購"},{"start":417.329,"end":420.93,"text":"剛剛有人問到這清單問題我覺得這清單我們不要被動它給我們什麼東西我們就買什麼要我們台灣有需要什麼我們去買什麼譬如說你天然氣我們有需要我們去購買那除了這個主要的這個原料跟天然氣以外還有很多的像機械的用具或者是電機設備精密的儀器跟航空器等等這些也是我們進口的大品項裡面"},{"start":443.635,"end":459.268,"text":"所以我們也可以把這些我們需求的量了多少把它放入清單我們主動出局主動提供去溝通這才是我們談判對雙方都有利的是不是是的我想談判都是彼此大家雙方來交換彼此的需求不是單方面的啦"},{"start":459.688,"end":479.687,"text":"都是雙方面的彼此交換需求然後去談出一個好的良善的一個結果所以我想委員所提示的這一些部分也都是我們考慮的範圍所以這要注意的也是我們考慮的範圍還有就是說美國對於各國的這個對等關稅率那其中"},{"start":481.516,"end":504.372,"text":"有其他國家會擔心一個洗產地為什麼提到這個部分就像菲律賓的話才18%新加坡的話10%那菲律賓的克克珍這個18%的稅率遠低於台灣的32%那我們政府若是依照你原先的計畫要到菲律賓設置這個產業園區的話會不會被美方認為說你是有特定要洗產地的嫌疑"},{"start":505.593,"end":530.325,"text":"報告委員我想我們目前大家在談的32% 18%這些都是暫定的稅率所以現在這些都已經被調到所謂的基本的稅率10%那我想這90天以後才會明朗化所以對我們來講我們都在爭取在台灣台灣的業者都可以找到一個具有競爭力的這樣的一個關稅條件"},{"start":533.146,"end":545.29,"text":"那我們在達成這個總統的這個日不落國的競爭條件也是一樣我們會幫助台灣的業者找到具有競爭這個位置競爭的這個區域來把他的這個市場擴大我們剛剛講過了這個全球的市場"},{"start":552.293,"end":573.415,"text":"我想剛才劉主委也講得非常清楚全球市場不是只有美國全球市場這麼大我們的模式就是幫助台灣的產業找到具有競爭力的方向找到這樣的競爭力的產品讓我們在台灣幫助它提升它的競爭力這個是我們經濟部最主要的工作"},{"start":574.335,"end":599.909,"text":"所以在這邊也提醒部長包括我們的劉組委跟我們次長那針對於這個對等關稅我們還是在這個整個清單裡面的話我們不是一定是天然氣也可以有新的核能新的核能的採購的話也是一個擴大採購的一個方式這也是可以做的那至於說這個稀產地這個方面的話我們也要多去關心"},{"start":600.849,"end":612.621,"text":"要注意這個問題不要被美國認為說我們是稀產地的話這樣子不利我們的談判邀請經濟部要去注意瞭解去掌握這所有的變化才能夠讓我們的產業能夠避開這個關稅的風險好不好好 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