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00:02:03,213\n客家委員會向立法院提出任何一份正式書面解凍的書面所以到目前為止也沒有提出嘛是不是目前沒有提出那個引擎當時在二三度的時間同山的時間有六八三十六一對啊就是說我們是為什麼不提出呢\n\n6\n00:02:03,773 --> 00:02:24,519\n我們要提出才能解凍嘛沒有確定也是這個行政部門要去算啊因為整個一個會計單位我們整個會計單位到現在沒有去做自己該值的預算還有說該要提出報告\n\n7\n00:02:25,339 --> 00:02:33,322\n我們就可以解凍但是呢你也沒有提出報告啊也不願意提出報告所以說是為什麼呢還是說因為行政院沒有叫你不要提出就不要解凍沒有沒有沒有我跟議員報告因為當時森醫生有六百\n\n8\n00:02:44,645 --> 00:02:46,326\n所以說我們是沒有刪除的還是一樣可以用嘛對不對所以我們行政院現在公開說無法確認\n\n9\n00:03:10,201 --> 00:03:14,918\n就是像你说的剩余数难以题解动案\n\n10\n00:03:16,531 --> 00:03:34,700\n我們三讀通過你們就來用後面的行政作業就要去做嘛所以都該做的沒有去做所以根本就是偷換概念凍結預算與刪減預算是完全不同的機制連這個國小的學生都知道所以解凍案應該應對就是會刪除的但是凍結的部分預算\n\n11\n00:03:44,645 --> 00:03:51,471\n所以但是我看你的報告裡面都有寫你們做的哪一些啊對不對所以說不送申請凍結的方案但是呢說我們立法院讓你無法推動業務不是我們喔所以說你不要提醒人家要凍結要刪除要刪喔要再刪一段要再刪一段要刪一段要刪一段要刪一段要刪一段要刪一段要刪一段\n\n12\n00:04:13,029 --> 00:04:19,731\n就會進入程序但是完全沒有所以不是說凍結不等於刪除所以我們在我們的審查的預算我們共同減了我們是43億我們的編列的預算114年編列的預算43億7000多萬\n\n13\n00:04:37,495 --> 00:04:38,776\n我們錢只有一億九千多萬,多了四億多而已,其他都不能用\n\n14\n00:04:53,271 --> 00:04:55,952\n是目前為止我們看你的運作你報告裡面你還是有在運作沒有提出的解凍的編列的預算所以你怕說因為你今年14年申請太多了我們解凍後你花不完用不完所以你不敢來申請解凍\n\n15\n00:05:15,503 --> 00:05:16,204\n根據我們的經濟數據因為時間的關係全台詐騙集團現在已經標高了週一\n\n16\n00:05:31,677 --> 00:05:56,064\n單日採選就高達2億8千多萬全年就是顯示破百億啦大家的資料都知道我們所有的全民都知道說禍害年齡就是50歲以上為最多其中65以上的長者就被比較高主委很清楚我們客家族群高齡的人口比我們全國平均\n\n17\n00:06:01,286 --> 00:06:08,968\n就是比較聽不懂中文所以呢他只要講客家他辨識這些詐騙的就是能力比較低但是呢我們在這個部分呢我請教我們客委會防詐的議題是客家\n\n18\n00:06:21,132 --> 00:06:25,096\n的版本,有製作嗎?有影片嗎?有海報嗎?有手冊嗎?我們沒有看到我們向議員報告,我們今年要的沒選票,三個百分之六十,該黨都沒辦法做的,過去我們都沒有做但是呢,這個媒體說,高達一億多啊,高達一億多還在可以用嗎?\n\n19\n00:06:45,776 --> 00:07:02,221\n但是你們就把別人編列的大片的影片放在自己的客家的網站自嗨所以沒有達到我們要幫助的金額所以我現在要求你可以你要去要做這件事情這個也是公共議題所以說我們編列的媒體宣傳意義多\n\n20\n00:07:13,985 --> 00:07:16,826\n可以再做這一塊嗎?刪除了百分之三十五更是凍結百分之三十你也自己講的所以這個不反我希望但是關於這個關鍵\n\n21\n00:07:37,250 --> 00:07:40,213\n這個關鍵希望說我們減少詐騙的你完全沒有去做這意義多來去做什麼還有我們現在目前我們有很多的沒錯但是我們有現在的我們全國的我們看你們網站\n\n22\n00:07:59,992 --> 00:08:20,243\n科家认证今年到底有没有办影响有多少学生跟教师但是我们看你们的网站也有在进行中因为我们是冻结的费用是部分还有很多的经费还是积蓄用但是你是不是你可以自己打自己的嘴巴看有没有很痛呢\n\n23\n00:08:20,563 --> 00:08:26,485\n但是你講的跟做的完全是一個詐騙人的形式不是依法行政也沒有依理的定則去執行所以說全國小型的藝文競賽目前的進步還是一樣可以再進行我們看到的就是這樣子的畫面所以我們希望不要就是去騙我們\n\n24\n00:08:46,733 --> 00:08:50,758\n平民百姓這個都是我們可以去做的所以我們可以了如果你說這樣子的話我請你全國給我一分鐘客家族群收遍的人數金額\n\n25\n00:09:02,312 --> 00:09:12,038\n大片的樣態,統計給我兩天,統計給我送到我的公司看嗎?有困難,因為你沒有去做該做的事情當然有困難還有我們立法院在行,我們的監督局有意有據\n\n26\n00:09:22,884 --> 00:09:26,946\n不要嘴巴一直在說我們凍結凍結沒法執行我們從今年到現在已經四月份了我們行政院跟各個部會沒有提出就是我們的\n\n27\n00:09:48,275 --> 00:09:51,600\n凍結的方案怎麼樣去解凍呢這個就是部會的工作要去做的我們希望我們要拿出證據也拿出你的行政的職責不要再去欺騙我們平民百姓了\n\n28\n00:10:05,379 --> 00:10:08,504\n以上希望你在兩天不行是不是一個禮拜拿出我們因為你有媒體費你要拿出我們柯家族群被受騙的資料給我一個禮拜謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n369\t20004\t請主委 請主席媽咪一樣齁聲音沒有出來請董事簽署一下好嗎請董事簽署一下謝謝\n30482\t34163\t主委,您是否同意預算凍結不是刪除?當然,當然,凍結是凍結,但是某幾年以前還是做我們的用\n50317\t70897\t對 但是說凍結不是刪除嘛 你也是同意嘛好 但是我們立法院是要行政機關就是要有完整的報告就能啟動解凍的程序 就進入解凍的程序 對嗎\n72306\t77150\t目前這樣,但是有過度沒確定的因素像剛才說的,在二、三度的時間沒錯,是說沒有確定沒有預算實行政機關的工作,沒有去做嘛所以說,所以在目前我們沒有看到我們的\n96423\t123213\t客家委員會向立法院提出任何一份正式書面 解凍的書面所以到目前為止也沒有提出嘛 是不是目前沒有提出 那個引擎 當時在二三度的時間 同山的時間有六八三十六一對啊 就是說我們是為什麼不提出呢\n123773\t144519\t我們要提出才能解凍嘛沒有確定也是這個行政部門要去算啊因為整個一個會計單位我們整個會計單位到現在沒有去做自己該值的預算還有說該要提出報告\n145339\t153322\t我們就可以解凍但是呢你也沒有提出報告啊也不願意提出報告所以說是為什麼呢還是說因為行政院沒有叫你不要提出就不要解凍沒有沒有沒有我跟議員報告因為當時森醫生有六百\n164645\t166326\t所以說我們是沒有刪除的還是一樣可以用嘛對不對所以我們行政院現在公開說無法確認\n190201\t194918\t就是像你说的剩余数难以题解动案\n196531\t214700\t我們三讀通過你們就來用後面的行政作業就要去做嘛所以都該做的沒有去做所以根本就是偷換概念凍結預算與刪減預算是完全不同的機制連這個國小的學生都知道所以解凍案應該應對就是會刪除的但是凍結的部分預算\n224645\t231471\t所以但是我看你的報告裡面都有寫你們做的哪一些啊對不對所以說不送申請凍結的方案但是呢說我們立法院讓你無法推動業務不是我們喔所以說你不要提醒人家要凍結要刪除要刪喔要再刪一段要再刪一段要刪一段要刪一段要刪一段要刪一段要刪一段要刪一段\n253029\t259731\t就會進入程序但是完全沒有所以不是說凍結不等於刪除所以我們在我們的審查的預算我們共同減了我們是43億我們的編列的預算114年編列的預算43億7000多萬\n277495\t278776\t我們錢只有一億九千多萬,多了四億多而已,其他都不能用\n293271\t295952\t是目前為止我們看你的運作你報告裡面你還是有在運作沒有提出的解凍的編列的預算所以你怕說因為你今年14年申請太多了我們解凍後你花不完用不完所以你不敢來申請解凍\n315503\t316204\t根據我們的經濟數據因為時間的關係全台詐騙集團現在已經標高了週一\n331677\t356064\t單日採選就高達2億8千多萬全年就是顯示破百億啦大家的資料都知道我們所有的全民都知道說禍害年齡就是50歲以上為最多其中65以上的長者就被比較高主委很清楚我們客家族群高齡的人口比我們全國平均\n361286\t368968\t就是比較聽不懂中文所以呢他只要講客家他辨識這些詐騙的就是能力比較低但是呢我們在這個部分呢我請教我們客委會防詐的議題是客家\n381132\t385096\t的版本,有製作嗎?有影片嗎?有海報嗎?有手冊嗎?我們沒有看到我們向議員報告,我們今年要的沒選票,三個百分之六十,該黨都沒辦法做的,過去我們都沒有做但是呢,這個媒體說,高達一億多啊,高達一億多還在可以用嗎?\n405776\t422221\t但是你們就把別人編列的大片的影片放在自己的客家的網站自嗨所以沒有達到我們要幫助的金額所以我現在要求你可以你要去要做這件事情這個也是公共議題所以說我們編列的媒體宣傳意義多\n433985\t436826\t可以再做這一塊嗎?刪除了百分之三十五 更是凍結百分之三十你也自己講的所以這個不反我希望但是關於這個關鍵\n457250\t460213\t這個關鍵希望說我們減少詐騙的你完全沒有去做這意義多來去做什麼還有我們現在目前我們有很多的沒錯 但是我們有現在的我們全國的我們看你們網站\n479992\t500243\t科家认证今年到底有没有办影响有多少学生跟教师但是我们看你们的网站也有在进行中因为我们是冻结的费用是部分还有很多的经费还是积蓄用但是你是不是你可以自己打自己的嘴巴看有没有很痛呢\n500563\t506485\t但是你講的跟做的完全是一個詐騙人的形式不是依法行政也沒有依理的定則去執行所以說全國小型的藝文競賽目前的進步還是一樣可以再進行我們看到的就是這樣子的畫面所以我們希望不要就是去騙我們\n526733\t530758\t平民百姓這個都是我們可以去做的所以我們可以了如果你說這樣子的話我請你全國 給我一分鐘客家族群收遍的人數金額\n542312\t552038\t大片的樣態,統計給我兩天,統計給我送到我的公司看嗎?有困難,因為你沒有去做該做的事情當然有困難還有我們立法院在行,我們的監督局有意有據\n562884\t566946\t不要嘴巴一直在說我們凍結 凍結 沒法執行我們從今年到現在已經四月份了我們行政院跟各個部會沒有提出就是我們的\n588275\t591600\t凍結的方案怎麼樣去解凍呢這個就是部會的工作要去做的我們希望我們要拿出證據也拿出你的行政的職責不要再去欺騙我們平民百姓了\n605379\t608504\t以上希望你在兩天不行是不是一個禮拜拿出我們因為你有媒體費你要拿出我們柯家族群被受騙的資料給我一個禮拜謝謝\n","txt":"請主委 請主席媽咪一樣齁聲音沒有出來請董事簽署一下好嗎請董事簽署一下謝謝\n主委,您是否同意預算凍結不是刪除?當然,當然,凍結是凍結,但是某幾年以前還是做我們的用\n對 但是說凍結不是刪除嘛 你也是同意嘛好 但是我們立法院是要行政機關就是要有完整的報告就能啟動解凍的程序 就進入解凍的程序 對嗎\n目前這樣,但是有過度沒確定的因素像剛才說的,在二、三度的時間沒錯,是說沒有確定沒有預算實行政機關的工作,沒有去做嘛所以說,所以在目前我們沒有看到我們的\n客家委員會向立法院提出任何一份正式書面 解凍的書面所以到目前為止也沒有提出嘛 是不是目前沒有提出 那個引擎 當時在二三度的時間 同山的時間有六八三十六一對啊 就是說我們是為什麼不提出呢\n我們要提出才能解凍嘛沒有確定也是這個行政部門要去算啊因為整個一個會計單位我們整個會計單位到現在沒有去做自己該值的預算還有說該要提出報告\n我們就可以解凍但是呢你也沒有提出報告啊也不願意提出報告所以說是為什麼呢還是說因為行政院沒有叫你不要提出就不要解凍沒有沒有沒有我跟議員報告因為當時森醫生有六百\n所以說我們是沒有刪除的還是一樣可以用嘛對不對所以我們行政院現在公開說無法確認\n就是像你说的剩余数难以题解动案\n我們三讀通過你們就來用後面的行政作業就要去做嘛所以都該做的沒有去做所以根本就是偷換概念凍結預算與刪減預算是完全不同的機制連這個國小的學生都知道所以解凍案應該應對就是會刪除的但是凍結的部分預算\n所以但是我看你的報告裡面都有寫你們做的哪一些啊對不對所以說不送申請凍結的方案但是呢說我們立法院讓你無法推動業務不是我們喔所以說你不要提醒人家要凍結要刪除要刪喔要再刪一段要再刪一段要刪一段要刪一段要刪一段要刪一段要刪一段要刪一段\n就會進入程序但是完全沒有所以不是說凍結不等於刪除所以我們在我們的審查的預算我們共同減了我們是43億我們的編列的預算114年編列的預算43億7000多萬\n我們錢只有一億九千多萬,多了四億多而已,其他都不能用\n是目前為止我們看你的運作你報告裡面你還是有在運作沒有提出的解凍的編列的預算所以你怕說因為你今年14年申請太多了我們解凍後你花不完用不完所以你不敢來申請解凍\n根據我們的經濟數據因為時間的關係全台詐騙集團現在已經標高了週一\n單日採選就高達2億8千多萬全年就是顯示破百億啦大家的資料都知道我們所有的全民都知道說禍害年齡就是50歲以上為最多其中65以上的長者就被比較高主委很清楚我們客家族群高齡的人口比我們全國平均\n就是比較聽不懂中文所以呢他只要講客家他辨識這些詐騙的就是能力比較低但是呢我們在這個部分呢我請教我們客委會防詐的議題是客家\n的版本,有製作嗎?有影片嗎?有海報嗎?有手冊嗎?我們沒有看到我們向議員報告,我們今年要的沒選票,三個百分之六十,該黨都沒辦法做的,過去我們都沒有做但是呢,這個媒體說,高達一億多啊,高達一億多還在可以用嗎?\n但是你們就把別人編列的大片的影片放在自己的客家的網站自嗨所以沒有達到我們要幫助的金額所以我現在要求你可以你要去要做這件事情這個也是公共議題所以說我們編列的媒體宣傳意義多\n可以再做這一塊嗎?刪除了百分之三十五 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