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00:02:10,990\n你就直接講因為我覺得鼓勵鼓勵做這樣好事的那企業我覺得很棒像人家立新醫院立新醫院很好\n\n8\n00:02:16,338 --> 00:02:41,017\n好我現在之所以會提這個問題是因為你曾經有叫做多元文化企業的社會責任客語友善企業獎也就是說我願意去花資源去投入去改善環境的這些企業我就給你光榮給你頒獎就像我剛講的你要把好的好人好事說出來嘛那我注意到第一屆這111年12月28號有做過一次第一次的頒獎第二屆則是在112年12月28第三屆好像就沒有下文了這個原因是什麼呢\n\n9\n00:02:41,785 --> 00:02:45,771\n目前還沒有有新的協議進行所以要感謝委員提醒我們就要主動跟協議院聯絡所以等於現在是遇到瓶頸的意思嗎沒錯\n\n10\n00:02:58,628 --> 00:03:26,959\n這個我希望還是在課委會在這個地方還是可以加大力度來做處理啦因為我覺得方向是正確的不能停在公部門這剛剛我已經講得很清楚那另外本席做個建議就是說在獎項的設計上他其實因為就本席的了解啦你要突然之間一次到完全到位其實恐怕很困難我想這也是為什麼你會陷入瓶頸的原因嘛因為你要一次把這個整個友善環境佈建起來你可能要花很多的資源多拼很多的人力之類的那我覺得也可以鼓勵企業用階段性的方式來處理\n\n11\n00:03:27,739 --> 00:03:45,291\n那換言之你要怎麼樣來鼓勵怎麼樣來補助呢其實你可以把比如說獎助的項目你可以分成階段啊比如說同職獎、銀職獎、金職獎嘛或者是一星到五星等等一方面這個現在已經有在做的他還可以再進步嘛本來我環境一般班60分的我到80分的時候我可以再得獎\n\n12\n00:03:46,331 --> 00:04:04,834\n那一般來講我如果從0分先到20分、40分你也可以讓他給予鼓勵我覺得這是把這個整體的門檻往下降的一種方式那我覺得用這樣的方式來推廣這個對於很多企業來講他可能會比較願意去嘗試去營造客羽的友善環境請問主委對這件事你建議再講吧現在我們在研究在幾個地方看得懂我們在訪問的客戶所以我們請專家、學生也可以說第一線的行業單位在討論看得懂\n\n13\n00:04:16,072 --> 00:04:24,023\n那這個部分你們討論的結果什麼時候會有一個比較具體的時間我是很擔心討論討論之後就沒下文啦這跟我待會的問題有關啦這樣三三要做什麼我們要請民間的單位來討論一下\n\n14\n00:04:33,915 --> 00:04:50,693\n好你們研究一下沒關係會後齁這個時間時間到的時候書面報告送過來好不好讓我們了解說這個事情的辦理的狀況我還是用鼓勵的心態來談這件事情就只要你可以做可以有進步甚至是你可以突破瓶頸這我想對於建構友善的客語環境它會是一個比較加分的項目\n\n15\n00:04:51,594 --> 00:05:19,256\n我剛之所以講時間很重要是因為我要問第二個題目也就是有關於這個也是本席之前雖然你那時候還沒有上任但本席那時候其實就問了就是有關於企業ESG納入客家語言推動的這件事情這同樣在客委會第一會期的業務報告裡面有講基於推動國家語言文化多樣性的目標這個當初就在1月跟3月邀集了經管會文化部園民會等等都有來做協商希望可以修正這個經管會可以修正\n\n16\n00:05:21,238 --> 00:05:44,554\n上市上櫃公司切社會責任實務守則啊也就是說做哪一些符合ESG嘛那要把多元語言文化把它列入維護社會公益的實踐範疇換言之就是你如果推廣友善環境你也算是盡了一份社會責任這ESG的部分這樣把它納入這個推動項目那第一位其實本期問過之前的主委楊昌正主委就是說我們說那時候講說這個到底有沒有進度\n\n17\n00:05:45,014 --> 00:06:02,404\n然後他說那個時候開會對於條文守則的修正其實已經有一定的共識正在跟金管會討論然後那個時候他就講說這個這個一樣跟我講幾個月之內會給我一個交代但是喔主委這個有時候現實比較骨感這一年過去了請問現在辦理的情況怎麼樣\n\n18\n00:06:03,230 --> 00:06:15,660\n我跟議員報告,我們內地的事件有看到其他題目也有其他事情,目前我們沒有在調查問題,也沒有在那裡說話所以目前就在這裡沒有在調查問題沒有辦法把推廣語言友善環境納入ESG的原因是什麼呢?是誰在反對呢?或者是說誰有什麼壓力?或者你有沒有困難?\n\n19\n00:06:31,292 --> 00:06:38,420\n因為那個說其實他要依照施主心依然還在占過大部分我們無法用我們強制力量去給他藥術故所以會遇到這樣的困難\n\n20\n00:06:51,005 --> 00:07:10,414\n就本席的了解你只是把多元語言的環境建構納入也就是說你願意做這件事情你就算符合ESG嘛所以其實你把它納進去企業做或不做還是在他嘛企業願意做他就可以得分嘛那不願意做那他可以做別的項目來符合企業社會責任嘛所以我覺得這個好像不衝突了是不是請你再補充說明一下\n\n21\n00:07:13,116 --> 00:07:20,402\n目前還是有困難,但是本來年餘的條文要加以提供的部分,現在是這樣,要加以提供就好,所以沒提條文在裡面列\n\n22\n00:07:34,417 --> 00:07:55,718\n好你一樣把這個東西的推動進度包含你遇到的困難因為我想知道這整個概念遇到什麼樣的阻力啦你又遇到困難也許可以解決嘛對不對跨部會的溝通也許可以有一個好的結果所以你在推動中遇到什麼樣的困難你打算用什麼樣的策略來調整來因應然後同樣可以完成這個目標你一樣啦這個會後提供書面報告給本席好嗎好好謝謝主委辛苦了\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t6865\t主席 谷主委有請好 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請主委有煙齁\n主委早安啊這個今天我們要來追蹤幾個之前有追蹤過的題目然後另外問追蹤一個之前追蹤過的題目啦另外問一個新的題目我們今天談的重點是客家這個客於友善環境的一個推廣那就本席的了解啦其實也從客委會第一會期的這個業務報告就有講我們希望這個推動\n這個企業社會責任倡議語言多樣性鼓勵各個企業其實都要營造一個客語友善的環境不能只有說公部門的部分有人來做但企業的部分速度比較慢所以其實過去就本期的了解包含在你們第三會期的業務報告裡面也有寫叫做公式客語無障礙環境補助計畫有補助公部門也有補助民間單位讓他有客語的志工有口譯的設備完善客語的播音等等的一些\n客語友善環境的這個使用的計畫其實做得不錯然後也有一些成果那它的概念當然要公共化多元化普及化跟生活化那我今天想特別問一下在私人企業的這一部分你們現在目前為止你們覺得效果怎麼樣\n當然我們都覺得很不安全面很不安全面所以要好好在經濟部主導那間興業也要說私營的創意下去談的部分主委你可不可以舉一個例子告訴大家就是說以企業這個客語友善企業的角度來講有沒有幾個比較好的例子可以鼓勵大家做示範的\n哪一家醫院表現特別好?\n你就直接講因為我覺得鼓勵鼓勵做這樣好事的那企業我覺得很棒像人家立新醫院立新醫院很好\n好我現在之所以會提這個問題是因為你曾經有叫做多元文化企業的社會責任客語友善企業獎也就是說我願意去花資源去投入去改善環境的這些企業我就給你光榮給你頒獎就像我剛講的你要把好的好人好事說出來嘛那我注意到第一屆這111年12月28號有做過一次第一次的頒獎第二屆則是在112年12月28第三屆好像就沒有下文了這個原因是什麼呢\n目前還沒有有新的協議進行所以要感謝委員提醒我們就要主動跟協議院聯絡所以等於現在是遇到瓶頸的意思嗎沒錯\n這個我希望還是在課委會在這個地方還是可以加大力度來做處理啦因為我覺得方向是正確的不能停在公部門這剛剛我已經講得很清楚那另外本席做個建議就是說在獎項的設計上他其實因為就本席的了解啦你要突然之間一次到完全到位其實恐怕很困難我想這也是為什麼你會陷入瓶頸的原因嘛因為你要一次把這個整個友善環境佈建起來你可能要花很多的資源多拼很多的人力之類的那我覺得也可以鼓勵企業用階段性的方式來處理\n那換言之你要怎麼樣來鼓勵怎麼樣來補助呢其實你可以把比如說獎助的項目你可以分成階段啊比如說同職獎、銀職獎、金職獎嘛或者是一星到五星等等一方面這個現在已經有在做的他還可以再進步嘛本來我環境一般班60分的我到80分的時候我可以再得獎\n那一般來講我如果從0分先到20分、40分你也可以讓他給予鼓勵我覺得這是把這個整體的門檻往下降的一種方式那我覺得用這樣的方式來推廣這個對於很多企業來講他可能會比較願意去嘗試去營造客羽的友善環境請問主委對這件事你建議再講吧現在我們在研究在幾個地方看得懂我們在訪問的客戶所以我們請專家、學生也可以說第一線的行業單位在討論看得懂\n那這個部分你們討論的結果什麼時候會有一個比較具體的時間我是很擔心討論討論之後就沒下文啦這跟我待會的問題有關啦這樣三三要做什麼我們要請民間的單位來討論一下\n好你們研究一下沒關係會後齁這個時間時間到的時候書面報告送過來好不好讓我們了解說這個事情的辦理的狀況我還是用鼓勵的心態來談這件事情就只要你可以做可以有進步甚至是你可以突破瓶頸這我想對於建構友善的客語環境它會是一個比較加分的項目\n我剛之所以講時間很重要是因為我要問第二個題目也就是有關於這個也是本席之前雖然你那時候還沒有上任但本席那時候其實就問了就是有關於企業ESG納入客家語言推動的這件事情這同樣在客委會第一會期的業務報告裡面有講基於推動國家語言文化多樣性的目標這個當初就在1月跟3月邀集了經管會文化部 園民會等等都有來做協商希望可以修正這個經管會可以修正\n上市上櫃公司切社會責任實務守則啊也就是說做哪一些符合ESG嘛那要把多元語言文化把它列入維護社會公益的實踐範疇換言之就是你如果推廣友善環境你也算是盡了一份社會責任這ESG的部分這樣把它納入這個推動項目那第一位其實本期問過之前的主委楊昌正主委就是說我們說那時候講說這個到底有沒有進度\n然後他說那個時候開會對於條文守則的修正其實已經有一定的共識正在跟金管會討論然後那個時候他就講說這個這個一樣跟我講幾個月之內會給我一個交代但是喔 主委這個有時候現實比較骨感這一年過去了請問現在辦理的情況怎麼樣\n我跟議員報告,我們內地的事件有看到其他題目也有其他事情,目前我們沒有在調查問題,也沒有在那裡說話所以目前就在這裡沒有在調查問題沒有辦法把推廣語言友善環境納入ESG的原因是什麼呢?是誰在反對呢?或者是說誰有什麼壓力?或者你有沒有困難?\n因為那個說 其實他要依照施主心 依然還在占過大部分我們無法用我們強制力量去給他藥術 故所以會遇到這樣的困難\n就本席的了解你只是把多元語言的環境建構納入也就是說你願意做這件事情你就算符合ESG嘛所以其實你把它納進去企業做或不做還是在他嘛企業願意做他就可以得分嘛那不願意做那他可以做別的項目來符合企業社會責任嘛所以我覺得這個好像不衝突了是不是請你再補充說明一下\n目前還是有困難,但是本來年餘的條文要加以提供的部分,現在是這樣,要加以提供就好,所以沒提條文在裡面列\n好你一樣把這個東西的推動進度包含你遇到的困難因為我想知道這整個概念遇到什麼樣的阻力啦你又遇到困難也許可以解決嘛對不對跨部會的溝通也許可以有一個好的結果所以你在推動中遇到什麼樣的困難你打算用什麼樣的策略來調整來因應然後同樣可以完成這個目標你一樣啦這個會後提供書面報告給本席好嗎好好謝謝主委辛苦了\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:06.865\n主席谷主委有請好請主委有煙齁\n\n00:09.619 --> 00:30.089\n主委早安啊這個今天我們要來追蹤幾個之前有追蹤過的題目然後另外問追蹤一個之前追蹤過的題目啦另外問一個新的題目我們今天談的重點是客家這個客於友善環境的一個推廣那就本席的了解啦其實也從客委會第一會期的這個業務報告就有講我們希望這個推動\n\n00:31.149 --> 01:00.232\n這個企業社會責任倡議語言多樣性鼓勵各個企業其實都要營造一個客語友善的環境不能只有說公部門的部分有人來做但企業的部分速度比較慢所以其實過去就本期的了解包含在你們第三會期的業務報告裡面也有寫叫做公式客語無障礙環境補助計畫有補助公部門也有補助民間單位讓他有客語的志工有口譯的設備完善客語的播音等等的一些\n\n01:01.113 --> 01:14.093\n客語友善環境的這個使用的計畫其實做得不錯然後也有一些成果那它的概念當然要公共化多元化普及化跟生活化那我今天想特別問一下在私人企業的這一部分你們現在目前為止你們覺得效果怎麼樣\n\n01:15.620 --> 01:40.778\n當然我們都覺得很不安全面很不安全面所以要好好在經濟部主導那間興業也要說私營的創意下去談的部分主委你可不可以舉一個例子告訴大家就是說以企業這個客語友善企業的角度來講有沒有幾個比較好的例子可以鼓勵大家做示範的\n\n01:41.494 --> 01:42.174\n哪一家醫院表現特別好?\n\n02:08.504 --> 02:10.990\n你就直接講因為我覺得鼓勵鼓勵做這樣好事的那企業我覺得很棒像人家立新醫院立新醫院很好\n\n02:16.338 --> 02:41.017\n好我現在之所以會提這個問題是因為你曾經有叫做多元文化企業的社會責任客語友善企業獎也就是說我願意去花資源去投入去改善環境的這些企業我就給你光榮給你頒獎就像我剛講的你要把好的好人好事說出來嘛那我注意到第一屆這111年12月28號有做過一次第一次的頒獎第二屆則是在112年12月28第三屆好像就沒有下文了這個原因是什麼呢\n\n02:41.785 --> 02:45.771\n目前還沒有有新的協議進行所以要感謝委員提醒我們就要主動跟協議院聯絡所以等於現在是遇到瓶頸的意思嗎沒錯\n\n02:58.628 --> 03:26.959\n這個我希望還是在課委會在這個地方還是可以加大力度來做處理啦因為我覺得方向是正確的不能停在公部門這剛剛我已經講得很清楚那另外本席做個建議就是說在獎項的設計上他其實因為就本席的了解啦你要突然之間一次到完全到位其實恐怕很困難我想這也是為什麼你會陷入瓶頸的原因嘛因為你要一次把這個整個友善環境佈建起來你可能要花很多的資源多拼很多的人力之類的那我覺得也可以鼓勵企業用階段性的方式來處理\n\n03:27.739 --> 03:45.291\n那換言之你要怎麼樣來鼓勵怎麼樣來補助呢其實你可以把比如說獎助的項目你可以分成階段啊比如說同職獎、銀職獎、金職獎嘛或者是一星到五星等等一方面這個現在已經有在做的他還可以再進步嘛本來我環境一般班60分的我到80分的時候我可以再得獎\n\n03:46.331 --> 04:04.834\n那一般來講我如果從0分先到20分、40分你也可以讓他給予鼓勵我覺得這是把這個整體的門檻往下降的一種方式那我覺得用這樣的方式來推廣這個對於很多企業來講他可能會比較願意去嘗試去營造客羽的友善環境請問主委對這件事你建議再講吧現在我們在研究在幾個地方看得懂我們在訪問的客戶所以我們請專家、學生也可以說第一線的行業單位在討論看得懂\n\n04:16.072 --> 04:24.023\n那這個部分你們討論的結果什麼時候會有一個比較具體的時間我是很擔心討論討論之後就沒下文啦這跟我待會的問題有關啦這樣三三要做什麼我們要請民間的單位來討論一下\n\n04:33.915 --> 04:50.693\n好你們研究一下沒關係會後齁這個時間時間到的時候書面報告送過來好不好讓我們了解說這個事情的辦理的狀況我還是用鼓勵的心態來談這件事情就只要你可以做可以有進步甚至是你可以突破瓶頸這我想對於建構友善的客語環境它會是一個比較加分的項目\n\n04:51.594 --> 05:19.256\n我剛之所以講時間很重要是因為我要問第二個題目也就是有關於這個也是本席之前雖然你那時候還沒有上任但本席那時候其實就問了就是有關於企業ESG納入客家語言推動的這件事情這同樣在客委會第一會期的業務報告裡面有講基於推動國家語言文化多樣性的目標這個當初就在1月跟3月邀集了經管會文化部園民會等等都有來做協商希望可以修正這個經管會可以修正\n\n05:21.238 --> 05:44.554\n上市上櫃公司切社會責任實務守則啊也就是說做哪一些符合ESG嘛那要把多元語言文化把它列入維護社會公益的實踐範疇換言之就是你如果推廣友善環境你也算是盡了一份社會責任這ESG的部分這樣把它納入這個推動項目那第一位其實本期問過之前的主委楊昌正主委就是說我們說那時候講說這個到底有沒有進度\n\n05:45.014 --> 06:02.404\n然後他說那個時候開會對於條文守則的修正其實已經有一定的共識正在跟金管會討論然後那個時候他就講說這個這個一樣跟我講幾個月之內會給我一個交代但是喔主委這個有時候現實比較骨感這一年過去了請問現在辦理的情況怎麼樣\n\n06:03.230 --> 06:15.660\n我跟議員報告,我們內地的事件有看到其他題目也有其他事情,目前我們沒有在調查問題,也沒有在那裡說話所以目前就在這裡沒有在調查問題沒有辦法把推廣語言友善環境納入ESG的原因是什麼呢?是誰在反對呢?或者是說誰有什麼壓力?或者你有沒有困難?\n\n06:31.292 --> 06:38.420\n因為那個說其實他要依照施主心依然還在占過大部分我們無法用我們強制力量去給他藥術故所以會遇到這樣的困難\n\n06:51.005 --> 07:10.414\n就本席的了解你只是把多元語言的環境建構納入也就是說你願意做這件事情你就算符合ESG嘛所以其實你把它納進去企業做或不做還是在他嘛企業願意做他就可以得分嘛那不願意做那他可以做別的項目來符合企業社會責任嘛所以我覺得這個好像不衝突了是不是請你再補充說明一下\n\n07:13.116 --> 07:20.402\n目前還是有困難,但是本來年餘的條文要加以提供的部分,現在是這樣,要加以提供就好,所以沒提條文在裡面列\n\n07:34.417 --> 07:55.718\n好你一樣把這個東西的推動進度包含你遇到的困難因為我想知道這整個概念遇到什麼樣的阻力啦你又遇到困難也許可以解決嘛對不對跨部會的溝通也許可以有一個好的結果所以你在推動中遇到什麼樣的困難你打算用什麼樣的策略來調整來因應然後同樣可以完成這個目標你一樣啦這個會後提供書面報告給本席好嗎好好謝謝主委辛苦了\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.089,"end":6.865,"text":"主席 谷主委有請好 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