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00:01:10,084\n呼籲大家要支持罷免志工並支持替罷免花蓮團隊加油而且高喊大罷免大成功請問一下這樣的內容是文化推廣還是政治動員\n\n5\n00:01:11,678 --> 00:01:18,540\n阿雄,你跟米一鴻都跟政治有關,也跟政治有關我們的所有的私情都在文化、政治、沙非之間的窮一天\n\n6\n00:01:30,244 --> 00:01:37,706\n所以谷主委的意思是您支持大港開唱的這些團體在整個音樂會上就提出要叩召大家罷免,大罷免大成功對,我們支持用音樂專業來發揮文化的創作所以我們支持他們用音樂來發揮音樂是來推動大罷免這樣子\n\n7\n00:01:56,630 --> 00:02:01,234\n道理嗎並不必說要我相信尊崇民意經營共營一起把政治立場但是我們的支持也要引起發展好請問一下喔請問一下國主委剛剛從您的回答事實上我覺得這個已經跟政治不一樣了我們當然支持音樂我們也支持年輕人把青年的這個族群的\n\n8\n00:02:15,766 --> 00:02:36,946\n音樂透過音樂來接觸客語可是當天我想這樣的一個狀況很明顯的就是在替這個罷團在這個罷免花蓮團隊加油那而且在支持罷免志工我覺得這樣子的狀況在整個音樂活動上面事實上是失焦的那聽起來您好像也不反對嘛那請問一下您在\n\n9\n00:02:37,706 --> 00:02:45,713\n這個我們的報告裡面說會跟大港開唱合作推動客家流行音樂那請問針對大港開唱你沒有補助經費嗎?Q&A以前有,但是今年沒有,今年沒有補助經費但是現在大港開唱雖然沒有補助經費,但是現在也有請學家的學生、學員進入學校所以我覺得也是一個正面的做法\n\n10\n00:03:03,763 --> 00:03:20,986\n大港開唱的團體也已經有對外也對媒體聲明說他們不會接受政府的補助這他們對媒體有這樣的說明那為什麼你們在這個報告裡面都還要在特別寫說你們要去跟大港開唱合作這個推廣推動流行客家音樂\n\n11\n00:03:21,667 --> 00:03:50,145\n不可以讓大港開場我們要替全台灣我想到有個有個陰謀線我覺得我們這種相關的團體其實非常多喔不要一直只侷限於大港開場我覺得有很多優質的團體只是我們都可以請他們一起來參與推廣我們客家活動那既然大港開場都說不要接受政府的補助我覺得我們也不必熱連去替人家冷屁股喔所以這個部分請我覺得要好好的慎選我們補助的團體那也有很多很多的客家團體\n\n12\n00:03:51,005 --> 00:03:52,887\n其實是很值得我們來補助的請主委要特別的來討論\n\n13\n00:04:08,124 --> 00:04:23,460\n我說他們不需要政府補助經費啊他們也公開這樣說另外我再想請教一下這個谷主委就是說我們現在立法院在第三會期的預算審查中有凍結了藝文傳播推展預算三千萬元\n\n14\n00:04:24,441 --> 00:04:37,627\n那當時是請客委會只要提出詳細的報告經內政委員會同意後就可以動質那請主委說明一下針對我們這個議員推展預算中凍結的3000萬客委會是不是已經有提出解凍報告\n\n15\n00:04:38,533 --> 00:04:41,654\n目前這樣的結凍有規矩凍結案有規矩但是也要檢測到金費金費在之前的政預算請問主委我的題目是針對藝文推展預算中所凍結的3000萬元你們有沒有提出結凍報告\n\n16\n00:05:02,299 --> 00:05:03,520\n目前針對客委會我們所提出的凍結案你們有哪一個案子提出凍結報告\n\n17\n00:05:10,579 --> 00:05:14,402\n目前還沒有為什麼還沒有目前都還沒有因為要檢測到經費三儲醫生有六百三十六億韓盟客廳要省哪些部分所以我沒辦法整堆的部分提出來請問一下何時可以提出解凍還是有誰要求你們不要提出解凍嗎沒有沒有沒有\n\n18\n00:05:34,837 --> 00:05:53,132\n課題你們現在不解凍然後一直對外說因為預算被刪預算被凍所以沒有辦法推展什麼業務那我覺得這樣子就是有點自相矛盾我們很樂意你們隨時能夠提出解凍的一個報告那只要解凍報告提出來之後呢我們經過我們內政委員會同意當然就可以馬上來執行了\n\n19\n00:05:53,953 --> 00:05:54,954\n以這件我剛講的預算推展這個藝文推展預算這一件的3000萬\n\n20\n00:06:12,168 --> 00:06:38,214\n你們提出解凍報告有什麼困難嗎還是其實也不會影響到你們的預算呢這個部分我覺得請這個主委盡快把解凍的報告送上來我們就會把預算解凍讓你們可以正常的運作那另外就是我知道主委其實非常重視就是有關的課宇的推廣\n\n21\n00:06:39,634 --> 00:06:42,296\n那尤其是我想也有各項各項的活動那其實根據客委會公告委託的110年全國客家人口與語言基礎的調查也是我們目前可以看到最新的調查我們的客家民眾整體會說客語的比例已經從105年的46.8%\n\n22\n00:06:59,788 --> 00:07:07,871\n跌到110年的38.3%5年掉了8.5那會聽得懂課餘的比例也從64.3掉到56.4%那年輕族群更是斷崖式的流失13到18歲只有11.4%會說流利的課餘19到29歲則只有15.7%會說流利的課餘請問一下針對這個部分我們課委會有沒有什麼方式能夠來協助\n\n23\n00:07:29,420 --> 00:07:40,362\n這個這方面的能夠提升我們的這個年輕族群還有兒童能夠能夠把他的課餘能力增加感謝委員對於這件事來看我們目前全面各方面都要去照顧到養育法律來提升學校、社區特別家庭等等不過我要跟委員報告這裡要去跟他報告我們\n\n24\n00:07:58,445 --> 00:08:13,321\n重啟低估的也會擬言複雜的困難度跟複雜性所以我們也要讓醫生嚴嚴不拿白請主委準備來怎麼做因為現在你說低估了客語認證的複雜性那請問你們要怎麼來去\n\n25\n00:08:16,184 --> 00:08:20,226\n處理這個問題比方說我們在學校說學校開行業班有一個生育的學校我們就要教但是目前我們所在的社區有的營運沒有實質所以沒辦法教我們要不要變醫生來拚實質入獄下去所以醫生要顧補目前課委會有編預算來培養實質嗎\n\n26\n00:08:43,655 --> 00:08:46,938\n為什麼你們不多編一點預算呢今年還是增加了很多預算不是嗎你只要能夠提出來你們所編列的預算是用在對的地方用在正確的地方基本上\n\n27\n00:09:01,389 --> 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因為要檢測到經費三儲醫生有六百三十六億韓盟客廳要省哪些部分所以我沒辦法整堆的部分提出來請問一下何時可以提出解凍還是有誰要求你們不要提出解凍嗎沒有 沒有 沒有\n334837\t353132\t課題你們現在不解凍然後一直對外說因為預算被刪預算被凍所以沒有辦法推展什麼業務那我覺得這樣子就是有點自相矛盾我們很樂意你們隨時能夠提出解凍的一個報告那只要解凍報告提出來之後呢我們經過我們內政委員會同意當然就可以馬上來執行了\n353953\t354954\t以這件我剛講的預算推展這個藝文推展預算這一件的3000萬\n372168\t398214\t你們提出解凍報告有什麼困難嗎還是其實也不會影響到你們的預算呢這個部分我覺得請這個主委盡快把解凍的報告送上來我們就會把預算解凍讓你們可以正常的運作那另外就是我知道主委其實非常重視就是有關的課宇的推廣\n399634\t402296\t那尤其是我想也有各項各項的活動那其實根據客委會公告委託的110年全國客家人口與語言基礎的調查也是我們目前可以看到最新的調查我們的客家民眾整體會說客語的比例已經從105年的46.8%\n419788\t427871\t跌到110年的38.3%5年掉了8.5那會聽得懂課餘的比例也從64.3掉到56.4%那年輕族群更是斷崖式的流失13到18歲只有11.4%會說流利的課餘19到29歲則只有15.7%會說流利的課餘請問一下針對這個部分我們課委會有沒有什麼方式能夠來協助\n449420\t460362\t這個這方面的能夠提升我們的這個年輕族群還有兒童能夠能夠把他的課餘能力增加感謝委員對於這件事來看我們目前全面各方面都要去照顧到養育法律來提升學校、社區特別家庭等等不過我要跟委員報告這裡要去跟他報告我們\n478445\t493321\t重啟低估的 也會擬言複雜的 困難度跟複雜性所以我們也要讓醫生 嚴嚴不拿白請主委準備來怎麼做因為現在你說低估了 客語認證的複雜性那請問你們要怎麼來去\n496184\t500226\t處理這個問題比方說我們在學校說學校開行業班有一個生育的學校我們就要教但是目前我們所在的社區有的營運沒有實質所以沒辦法教我們要不要變醫生來拚實質 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透過音樂來接觸客語可是當天我想這樣的一個狀況很明顯的就是在替這個罷團在這個罷免花蓮團隊加油那而且在支持罷免志工我覺得這樣子的狀況在整個音樂活動上面事實上是失焦的那聽起來您好像也不反對嘛那請問一下您在\n這個我們的報告裡面說會跟大港開唱合作推動客家流行音樂那請問針對大港開唱你沒有補助經費嗎?Q&A以前有,但是今年沒有,今年沒有補助經費但是現在大港開唱雖然沒有補助經費,但是現在也有請學家的學生、學員進入學校所以我覺得也是一個正面的做法\n大港開唱的團體也已經有對外也對媒體聲明說他們不會接受政府的補助這他們對媒體有這樣的說明那為什麼你們在這個報告裡面都還要在特別寫說你們要去跟大港開唱合作這個推廣推動流行客家音樂\n不可以讓大港開場我們要替全台灣我想到有個有個陰謀線我覺得我們這種相關的團體其實非常多喔不要一直只侷限於大港開場我覺得有很多優質的團體只是我們都可以請他們一起來參與推廣我們客家活動那既然大港開場都說不要接受政府的補助我覺得我們也不必熱連去替人家冷屁股喔所以這個部分請我覺得要好好的慎選我們補助的團體那也有很多很多的客家團體\n其實是很值得我們來補助的請主委要特別的來討論\n我說他們不需要政府補助經費啊他們也公開這樣說另外我再想請教一下這個谷主委就是說我們現在立法院在第三會期的預算審查中有凍結了藝文傳播推展預算三千萬元\n那當時是請客委會只要提出詳細的報告經內政委員會同意後就可以動質那請主委說明一下針對我們這個議員推展預算中凍結的3000萬客委會是不是已經有提出解凍報告\n目前這樣的結凍有規矩 凍結案有規矩但是也要檢測到金費 金費在之前的政預算請問 主委 我的題目是針對藝文推展預算中所凍結的3000萬元 你們有沒有提出結凍報告\n目前針對客委會我們所提出的凍結案你們有哪一個案子提出凍結報告\n目前還沒有 為什麼還沒有目前都還沒有 因為要檢測到經費三儲醫生有六百三十六億韓盟客廳要省哪些部分所以我沒辦法整堆的部分提出來請問一下何時可以提出解凍還是有誰要求你們不要提出解凍嗎沒有 沒有 沒有\n課題你們現在不解凍然後一直對外說因為預算被刪預算被凍所以沒有辦法推展什麼業務那我覺得這樣子就是有點自相矛盾我們很樂意你們隨時能夠提出解凍的一個報告那只要解凍報告提出來之後呢我們經過我們內政委員會同意當然就可以馬上來執行了\n以這件我剛講的預算推展這個藝文推展預算這一件的3000萬\n你們提出解凍報告有什麼困難嗎還是其實也不會影響到你們的預算呢這個部分我覺得請這個主委盡快把解凍的報告送上來我們就會把預算解凍讓你們可以正常的運作那另外就是我知道主委其實非常重視就是有關的課宇的推廣\n那尤其是我想也有各項各項的活動那其實根據客委會公告委託的110年全國客家人口與語言基礎的調查也是我們目前可以看到最新的調查我們的客家民眾整體會說客語的比例已經從105年的46.8%\n跌到110年的38.3%5年掉了8.5那會聽得懂課餘的比例也從64.3掉到56.4%那年輕族群更是斷崖式的流失13到18歲只有11.4%會說流利的課餘19到29歲則只有15.7%會說流利的課餘請問一下針對這個部分我們課委會有沒有什麼方式能夠來協助\n這個這方面的能夠提升我們的這個年輕族群還有兒童能夠能夠把他的課餘能力增加感謝委員對於這件事來看我們目前全面各方面都要去照顧到養育法律來提升學校、社區特別家庭等等不過我要跟委員報告這裡要去跟他報告我們\n重啟低估的 也會擬言複雜的 困難度跟複雜性所以我們也要讓醫生 嚴嚴不拿白請主委準備來怎麼做因為現在你說低估了 客語認證的複雜性那請問你們要怎麼來去\n處理這個問題比方說我們在學校說學校開行業班有一個生育的學校我們就要教但是目前我們所在的社區有的營運沒有實質所以沒辦法教我們要不要變醫生來拚實質 入獄下去所以醫生要顧補目前課委會有編預算來培養實質嗎\n為什麼你們不多編一點預算呢今年還是增加了很多預算不是嗎你只要能夠提出來你們所編列的預算是用在對的地方用在正確的地方基本上\n我想我們之前也講過啦如果你運算不夠甚至也可以追加減啦你要提出來你要有完整的計畫提出來那今天我們都會提出的我剛才的意思是說我們那樣的經濟其實是炎炎不辣的啦我們要替國民 國民鄉 歐洲對 是這樣啦 就是我想\n因為時間的關係 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