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00:00:24,726\n謝謝主席麻煩請財政部還有關務署的署長好財政部還有關務署的署長經濟部是下面要準備好那本席在這邊宣布我們12點開放就是在會場用餐好那個陳一貞委員你開始了好\n\n2\n00:00:26,534 --> 00:00:43,410\n最近一個很流行還是一直抹黑我們金門的議題就是說我們這個提案在離島建制條裡面修說要把金門做自由貿易港區那民進黨尤其是民進黨委員會起心上下不但抹黑金門還抹黑自由貿易港區這個詞\n\n3\n00:00:45,151 --> 00:00:48,796\n說我們金門要設這個自由貿易港區就是要為中國洗產地要開後門我們都是到時候這個如果被懲罰都是因為我們金門要做這些事情我們變成一個幫兇這個帽子扣得非常的大\n\n4\n00:01:00,411 --> 00:01:07,754\n我們先來討論一下大家所說的什麼叫息產地我想觀光署這個署長是專業的財政部也是專業我們來看一下我們講這個對不對什麼叫息產地自由貿易港區是不是會變成息產地的特區我們金門如果變成自由貿易港區是不是會變成息產地的特區我想這個東西帽子不能扣這麼大在李導身上所以我們也要先弄清楚什麼叫息產地\n\n5\n00:01:25,001 --> 00:01:45,047\n稀產地根據剛剛各個部會的報告也有說是將已接近成品的貨品進口到台灣簡易加工再把產品比如說本來是MadeinChina到台灣以後簡易加工改成MadeinTaiwan然後如果對美國來講再出口到美國這個就把原來中國字變成台灣字這個叫稀產地第二個可能把\n\n6\n00:01:49,168 --> 00:02:10,769\n貨品進到自由貿易港區物流中心保稅區啊然後就違規他沒有做任何的加工他違規改標比如說原來上面貼的是中國製造現在把它改標成台灣製造這叫違規的改標嘛這個定義沒有錯嘛如果是簡易加工但是沒有那麼大的加工他把它改成改產地然後第二個就是說直接就違規啦他就可以改標啦那個署長這樣對不對這個定義\n\n7\n00:02:14,998 --> 00:02:31,864\n是報告委員基本上就是一個原型態的把它改標出去的一個透過沒有改變那麼大只有簡易或者是直接改標這個違規的改標這個都叫息產地行為對吧那息產地要有什麼樣的條件呢一個地方如果要息產地呢要\n\n8\n00:02:32,384 --> 00:02:58,640\n第一個從大陸如果說沒有辦法中國製大陸製變成台灣製第一個要先進東西嘛進大陸的貨品嘛齁所以一個地方要先進大陸貨品第二個要有加工廠或是工廠改加工或是改標籤嘛要有人去做這個動作嘛齁一個動作嘛齁好或是簡易加工啦齁第三個要輸往美國嘛這美國關切是不能別的地方變成他的嘛變成變成台灣的嘛輸過去所以要有這三個構成要件嘛沒錯吧署長\n\n9\n00:03:01,479 --> 00:03:23,350\n沒錯吧要進貨物進來要改標或者是簡易加工或者是然後最後還要把它運到美國這是美國關心的這叫去美國的息產地嘛正確吧基本上就是這些貨物是標示不實貨或者是衛福規定去標示就過程是這個樣子嘛息產地的意義是這樣子啦好那我們來看一下所謂自由貿易港區台灣現在有幾個自由貿易港區署長六港一空\n\n10\n00:03:28,252 --> 00:03:53,050\n蘇澳港基隆港台北港桃園空港台中港安平港高雄港還有屏東農業生技園區這些都是自由貿易港區123456789那個生技園區6港1空現在至少7個啦屏東那是生技園區那自由貿易港區我要講一下為什麼我們金門要修這個離島經濟條例為什麼金門也是一個港府它不能變成自由貿易港區關公署長你知道原因嗎\n\n11\n00:03:54,597 --> 00:03:57,982\n報告委員金門因為它不是國際商港因為自由港區要定義在國際航空站會會國際商港金門港雖然跟廈門往來但是被定義不是國際商港沒錯吧在我們國內的法律定義如果今天是國際商港\n\n12\n00:04:10,060 --> 00:04:27,837\n那我們就可以直接申請啦也不用再什麼改什麼離島建條什麼事情都不用做我們就直接申請就好全部按照這個法律嘛對不對因為它不是國際商港嘛雖然賴總統認為廈門跟金門喔中華人民共和國跟中華民國一邊一國但是兩邊往來不是國際往來啊是叫小山通往來啊所以金門的位置很很\n\n13\n00:04:29,699 --> 00:04:59,079\n很委屈啊你一邊說我們兩邊是兩國一邊一國然後這個往來又不叫國際港又叫小山東往來所以我們想要身為用國際港的生命力申請為自由貿易港區又不被准取因為我們叫小山東港不叫國際港所以我們才說那只能修離島建制條約要符合跟國際自由貿易港一樣的待遇嘛持續改在離島建制條約裡面修法如果今天就被認為是國際港我們不用修法對不對沒錯吧就可以直接申請嘛如果金門市地域是國際港是不是可以直接申請\n\n14\n00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:26,227\n是國際港就可以直接申請吧任何國際港都可以申請吧如果被認定是國際港啦這不是你認定的交通部在認定如果是認定的國際港就不用申請不用再修法對不對就是可以直接依照那個自貿港區設置管理條例去申請對就是說如果金門被認為是國際港就不用再修什麼立法建設條例所以是因為我們現在法律架構我們不被認為是國際港但是\n\n15\n00:05:29,006 --> 00:05:42,656\n總統呢又說我們又是這個廈門跟金門又是兩邊又是一邊一國的不同的地區不同的國家互不隸屬我們又切身為名我們又變成是小山東港口所以我們才要去修這個吧好我們來看看現在實際上國內的自由貿易港區裡頭有多少\n\n16\n00:05:45,858 --> 00:06:01,064\n施產地就這種違規的這個行為我也有跟關火署要資料你知道財政部部長你知道現在自由剛我們提的那些金門還沒成立喔剛已經提了這些所謂的自由貿易港區因為違規轉運而被裁罰最多的自由貿易港區在哪裡嗎現行最多的在哪裡嗎部長在高雄對不對沒錯嘛我還給你看一下數據\n\n17\n00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:26,899\n金門什麼都還沒有做給我們扣帽子現在高雄關高雄關包括高雄跟台南高雄跟台南才是最大的息產地破口以目前來講高雄關高雄港跟安平港因為違規轉運而被裁罰的案件呢這麼多年來最多案件的是112年的48件\n\n18\n00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:51,592\n48件這是關公署給我們資料去年113年是37件那其他的關呢台中關是零件這自由貿易港區不是指所有的管只管自由貿易港區台中關是零件基隆關是五年六件高雄關48件台北關就是包括航空城五年一件就相當的少\n\n19\n00:06:52,572 --> 00:07:05,964\n那有人說是不是因為高雄港的貨運量比較大所以他比較多案件有這個違規情形不對以去年為例高雄自由貿易港區自貿港的貨運量是101萬公噸台中的是503萬噸台中的運量是高雄的5倍\n\n20\n00:07:09,827 --> 00:07:14,991\n但是台中的案件是零高雄的案件是48件是37件高雄關包括台南港跟安平港跟這個高雄港那其實整個來講這是你們給我知道整個來講我說的只是自由貿易港區所以自由貿易港區事實上違規的轉運的案件相對來講數字來講也是不多啦數字很少\n\n21\n00:07:29,901 --> 00:07:48,633\n所以自由貿易群根本不應該被扣上一個會變成所謂席產地的缺口的這種罪名今天先不要說金門就算高雄台南啊哪裡啊整個違規轉移情形很少其他自由貿易港區以外我們不知道但至少在這裡頭這幾年就四十幾件台中甚至是零件\n\n22\n00:07:49,534 --> 00:08:16,940\n所以今天很多人就把自由貿易港區呢扣上了一個帽子說做自由貿易港區就會變成違規洗產地的這種地方呢這個是對這些地區的努力的商家也是很不公平的對高雄的商家對台南商家也是不公平那不管怎麼講現在最多的案件也還是發生在高雄港所以如果照民進黨說現在高雄跟台南才是最大的洗產區破口啊如果照他們現在原則不就違規做的就是高雄跟台南嗎\n\n23\n00:08:19,714 --> 00:08:43,366\n這是數據是關公署我們問的你們是關公署提供給我們的這個是只問自由貿易港區不問其他全部的只問自由貿易港區的因為我們今天只提自由貿易港區剛剛委員講那個37件應該那個是華環的那個金額啦37萬不是不是來113年它是高雄關它是9件112年對9件14件啦好不管幾件很少對不對\n\n24\n00:08:44,830 --> 00:09:03,016\n就很少嘛對不對自由貿易港區整個違規的形式是不是相當少如果這樣來看一年九件相對的數量是不是很少台中關甚至零件我的意思就是說自由貿易港區它不應該被擴散一個會洗產地的這種標籤啦不然就是你們關屋署查核不立喔\n\n25\n00:09:05,344 --> 00:09:24,254\n是你們查而不立還是他的違規案件就是這麼少當然我們同仁一定是全力以赴查查所以他的案件九件十四件也好反正高雄台中關甚至零件所以整個的情形很好但最多的還是高雄跟台南沒錯如果以數據來看台中關的部分我跟委員再補充一下台中關他主要就是那個遊船\n\n26\n00:09:25,715 --> 00:09:45,096\n所以它的那個貿易額會比較多一點主要是郵品的金額比較高那不管嘛郵船有可能會被弄成不知道什麼都會被洗產地嘛反正任何東西只要會被洗產地的也有可能嘛有關稅的問題嘛那我的意思就是說自由貿港就它本身的裁判案件這麼少要嘛就是關火署執行不力啊要嘛就事實上真的做的\n\n27\n00:09:45,356 --> 00:10:02,801\n沒有這種違規的情形嘛應該是這樣子我覺得這種一個自由貿易港這樣的經濟行為不應該被扣上這樣的帽子啊我的意思是說大家其實要理性來看這件事情那請問啊對未來這個息產地假設金門啊我請問關無數如果金門哪一天變成國際港啊然後或者我們這個通過以後變成這個自由貿易港你們也會對金門睜一隻眼閉一隻眼嗎就讓他隨便息產地嗎還是也會一視同仁一樣會去查核啊\n\n28\n00:10:14,364 --> 00:10:42,247\n跟委員報告我們海關查核的依據是風險就是說高風險低風險我們有不同的一個查核方式如果在進門你不會查核嗎會不會查核也是會嘛對不對你再進門會不會查核還是你閉著眼睛多會查核啊經濟部啊經濟部現在你們所提出對不起再一下經濟部還沒問到經濟部你們有所提出的這個部長提出息產第五大策略你現在是認為這針對這個七大自由貿易港區嗎\n\n29\n00:10:43,855 --> 00:10:57,682\n還是針對還沒有我們都還沒做金門港自貿港區的部分是屬於交通部所以我們可以加強做相關的宣導所以你們這個防止息產店五個策略事實上我們金門都還沒有成立嘛還不是針對金門嘛對吧\n\n30\n00:10:59,127 --> 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那個陳一貞委員你開始了好\n26534\t43410\t最近一個很流行還是一直抹黑我們金門的議題就是說我們這個提案在離島建制條裡面修說要把金門做自由貿易港區那民進黨尤其是民進黨委員會起心上下不但抹黑金門還抹黑自由貿易港區這個詞\n45151\t48796\t說我們金門要設這個自由貿易港區就是要為中國洗產地要開後門我們都是到時候這個如果被懲罰都是因為我們金門要做這些事情我們變成一個幫兇這個帽子扣得非常的大\n60411\t67754\t我們先來討論一下大家所說的什麼叫息產地我想觀光署這個署長是專業的財政部也是專業我們來看一下我們講這個對不對什麼叫息產地自由貿易港區是不是會變成息產地的特區我們金門如果變成自由貿易港區是不是會變成息產地的特區我想這個東西帽子不能扣這麼大在李導身上所以我們也要先弄清楚什麼叫息產地\n85001\t105047\t稀產地根據剛剛各個部會的報告也有說是將已接近成品的貨品進口到台灣簡易加工再把產品比如說本來是Made in China到台灣以後簡易加工改成Made in Taiwan然後如果對美國來講再出口到美國這個就把原來中國字變成台灣字這個叫稀產地第二個可能把\n109168\t130769\t貨品進到自由貿易港區物流中心保稅區啊然後就違規他沒有做任何的加工他違規改標比如說原來上面貼的是中國製造現在把它改標成台灣製造這叫違規的改標嘛這個定義沒有錯嘛如果是簡易加工但是沒有那麼大的加工他把它改成改產地然後第二個就是說直接就違規啦他就可以改標啦那個署長這樣對不對這個定義\n134998\t151864\t是報告委員基本上就是一個原型態的把它改標出去的一個透過沒有改變那麼大只有簡易或者是直接改標這個違規的改標這個都叫息產地行為對吧那息產地要有什麼樣的條件呢一個地方如果要息產地呢要\n152384\t178640\t第一個從大陸如果說沒有辦法中國製大陸製變成台灣製第一個要先進東西嘛進大陸的貨品嘛齁所以一個地方要先進大陸貨品第二個要有加工廠或是工廠改加工或是改標籤嘛要有人去做這個動作嘛齁一個動作嘛齁好或是簡易加工啦齁第三個要輸往美國嘛這美國關切是不能別的地方變成他的嘛變成變成台灣的嘛輸過去所以要有這三個構成要件嘛沒錯吧署長\n181479\t203350\t沒錯吧 要進貨物進來要改標或者是簡易加工或者是然後最後還要把它運到美國這是美國關心的 這叫去美國的息產地嘛 正確吧基本上就是這些貨物是標示不實貨或者是衛福規定去標示就過程是這個樣子嘛 息產地的意義是這樣子啦好 那我們來看一下所謂自由貿易港區台灣現在有幾個自由貿易港區 署長六港一空\n208252\t233050\t蘇澳港 基隆港 台北港 桃園空港 台中港 安平港 高雄港還有屏東農業生技園區 這些都是自由貿易港區123456789那個生技園區 6港1空 現在至少7個啦 屏東那是生技園區那自由貿易港區 我要講一下為什麼我們金門要修這個離島經濟條例為什麼金門也是一個港府 它不能變成自由貿易港區 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高雄港跟安平港因為違規轉運而被裁罰的案件呢這麼多年來最多案件的是112年的48件\n389840\t411592\t48件這是關公署給我們資料去年113年是37件那其他的關呢 台中關是零件這自由貿易港區不是指所有的管 只管自由貿易港區台中關是零件 基隆關是五年六件高雄關48件 台北關就是包括航空城五年一件就相當的少\n412572\t425964\t那有人說是不是因為高雄港的貨運量比較大所以他比較多案件有這個違規情形不對以去年為例高雄自由貿易港區自貿港的貨運量是101萬公噸台中的是503萬噸台中的運量是高雄的5倍\n429827\t434991\t但是台中的案件是零高雄的案件是48件是37件高雄關包括台南港跟安平港跟這個高雄港那其實整個來講這是你們給我知道整個來講我說的只是自由貿易港區所以自由貿易港區事實上違規的轉運的案件相對來講數字來講也是不多啦數字很少\n449901\t468633\t所以自由貿易群根本不應該被扣上一個會變成所謂席產地的缺口的這種罪名今天先不要說金門就算高雄 台南啊 哪裡啊整個違規轉移情形很少其他自由貿易港區以外我們不知道但至少在這裡頭這幾年就四十幾件台中甚至是零件\n469534\t496940\t所以今天很多人就把自由貿易港區呢扣上了一個帽子說做自由貿易港區就會變成違規洗產地的這種地方呢這個是對這些地區的努力的商家也是很不公平的對高雄的商家對台南商家也是不公平那不管怎麼講現在最多的案件也還是發生在高雄港所以如果照民進黨說現在高雄跟台南才是最大的洗產區破口啊如果照他們現在原則不就違規做的就是高雄跟台南嗎\n499714\t523366\t這是數據是關公署我們問的你們是關公署提供給我們的這個是只問自由貿易港區不問其他全部的只問自由貿易港區的因為我們今天只提自由貿易港區剛剛委員講那個37件應該那個是華環的那個金額啦37萬不是不是來113年它是高雄關它是9件112年對9件14件啦好不管幾件很少對不對\n524830\t543016\t就很少嘛 對不對自由貿易港區整個違規的形式是不是相當少如果這樣來看一年九件相對的數量是不是很少 台中關甚至零件我的意思就是說自由貿易港區它不應該被擴散一個會洗產地的這種標籤啦不然就是你們關屋署查核不立喔\n545344\t564254\t是你們查而不立還是他的違規案件就是這麼少當然我們同仁一定是全力以赴查查所以他的案件九件十四件也好反正高雄台中關甚至零件所以整個的情形很好但最多的還是高雄跟台南沒錯如果以數據來看台中關的部分我跟委員再補充一下台中關他主要就是那個遊船\n565715\t585096\t所以它的那個貿易額會比較多一點主要是郵品的金額比較高那不管嘛 郵船有可能會被弄成不知道什麼都會被洗產地嘛反正任何東西只要會被洗產地的也有可能嘛有關稅的問題嘛那我的意思就是說自由貿港就它本身的裁判案件這麼少要嘛就是關火署執行不力啊要嘛就事實上真的做的\n585356\t602801\t沒有這種違規的情形嘛應該是這樣子我覺得這種一個自由貿易港這樣的經濟行為不應該被扣上這樣的帽子啊我的意思是說大家其實要理性來看這件事情那請問啊對未來這個息產地 假設金門啊我請問關無數如果金門哪一天變成國際港啊然後或者我們這個通過以後變成這個自由貿易港你們也會對金門睜一隻眼閉一隻眼嗎就讓他隨便息產地嗎還是也會一視同仁一樣會去查核啊\n614364\t642247\t跟委員報告我們海關查核的依據是風險就是說高風險低風險我們有不同的一個查核方式如果在進門你不會查核嗎會不會查核也是會嘛對不對你再進門會不會查核還是你閉著眼睛多會查核啊經濟部啊經濟部現在你們所提出對不起再一下經濟部還沒問到經濟部你們有所提出的這個部長提出息產第五大策略你現在是認為這針對這個七大自由貿易港區嗎\n643855\t657682\t還是針對還沒有 我們都還沒做金門港自貿港區的部分是屬於交通部所以我們可以加強做相關的宣導所以你們這個防止息產店五個策略事實上我們金門都還沒有成立嘛還不是針對金門嘛 對吧\n659127\t686963\t沒有針對特別的地區對嘛好那所以這個不是針對金門但是民進黨上下把他講成金門那我想請問最重要一件事情來這個財政部部長其實最重要的不是只在廠商的這種自己的這種自律而已關務署啦關務署到時候要加強查核不要中國大陸進來要向美國的貨品要加強查核是落在海關同仁方面我覺得現在部長我想請問你覺得現在海關的能力是夠不夠啊\n688308\t713125\t海關人力那很吃緊我也知道委員一直很關心我們海關人力的部分那我也請署長去盤點那看尤其這一次我們要加強查緝的需要多少人力那也希望委員給我們支持是我像你看你們基隆關一千人台中關三百多人高雄關一千人但是現在包括了這麼多事情的不管要加快行政效率或者是要加強查核我們這個支持 全力支持這個情形都是\n714685\t728952\t現在高雄 不是高雄關 關五所人力就不足你們是不是應該財政部要趕快跟這個全序部要求再跟人事總書說這個員樂部要趕快增加是 已經在盤點當中這個是趁這個機會的話增加人力 增加行政效率\n730092\t752230\t那個增加這個查核這個所謂席產地的這種力道違法那個嘛同時也要讓老百姓了解金門現在就是沒有這個辦法我們也不會成為所謂席產地的地方我們也當地也沒有加工廠也沒有這樣的能力啦所以請大家還是要把這個正常的這個所謂這個貿易的這個行為用正常的想法去想而不是一味的只要想要扣帽子啦好 以上謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 麻煩請財政部還有關務署的署長好 財政部還有關務署的署長經濟部是下面 要準備好 那本席在這邊宣布我們12點開放就是在會場用餐好 那個陳一貞委員你開始了好\n最近一個很流行還是一直抹黑我們金門的議題就是說我們這個提案在離島建制條裡面修說要把金門做自由貿易港區那民進黨尤其是民進黨委員會起心上下不但抹黑金門還抹黑自由貿易港區這個詞\n說我們金門要設這個自由貿易港區就是要為中國洗產地要開後門我們都是到時候這個如果被懲罰都是因為我們金門要做這些事情我們變成一個幫兇這個帽子扣得非常的大\n我們先來討論一下大家所說的什麼叫息產地我想觀光署這個署長是專業的財政部也是專業我們來看一下我們講這個對不對什麼叫息產地自由貿易港區是不是會變成息產地的特區我們金門如果變成自由貿易港區是不是會變成息產地的特區我想這個東西帽子不能扣這麼大在李導身上所以我們也要先弄清楚什麼叫息產地\n稀產地根據剛剛各個部會的報告也有說是將已接近成品的貨品進口到台灣簡易加工再把產品比如說本來是Made in China到台灣以後簡易加工改成Made in Taiwan然後如果對美國來講再出口到美國這個就把原來中國字變成台灣字這個叫稀產地第二個可能把\n貨品進到自由貿易港區物流中心保稅區啊然後就違規他沒有做任何的加工他違規改標比如說原來上面貼的是中國製造現在把它改標成台灣製造這叫違規的改標嘛這個定義沒有錯嘛如果是簡易加工但是沒有那麼大的加工他把它改成改產地然後第二個就是說直接就違規啦他就可以改標啦那個署長這樣對不對這個定義\n是報告委員基本上就是一個原型態的把它改標出去的一個透過沒有改變那麼大只有簡易或者是直接改標這個違規的改標這個都叫息產地行為對吧那息產地要有什麼樣的條件呢一個地方如果要息產地呢要\n第一個從大陸如果說沒有辦法中國製大陸製變成台灣製第一個要先進東西嘛進大陸的貨品嘛齁所以一個地方要先進大陸貨品第二個要有加工廠或是工廠改加工或是改標籤嘛要有人去做這個動作嘛齁一個動作嘛齁好或是簡易加工啦齁第三個要輸往美國嘛這美國關切是不能別的地方變成他的嘛變成變成台灣的嘛輸過去所以要有這三個構成要件嘛沒錯吧署長\n沒錯吧 要進貨物進來要改標或者是簡易加工或者是然後最後還要把它運到美國這是美國關心的 這叫去美國的息產地嘛 正確吧基本上就是這些貨物是標示不實貨或者是衛福規定去標示就過程是這個樣子嘛 息產地的意義是這樣子啦好 那我們來看一下所謂自由貿易港區台灣現在有幾個自由貿易港區 署長六港一空\n蘇澳港 基隆港 台北港 桃園空港 台中港 安平港 高雄港還有屏東農業生技園區 這些都是自由貿易港區123456789那個生技園區 6港1空 現在至少7個啦 屏東那是生技園區那自由貿易港區 我要講一下為什麼我們金門要修這個離島經濟條例為什麼金門也是一個港府 它不能變成自由貿易港區 關公署長你知道原因嗎\n報告委員金門因為它不是國際商港因為自由港區要定義在國際航空站會會國際商港金門港雖然跟廈門往來但是被定義不是國際商港沒錯吧在我們國內的法律定義如果今天是國際商港\n那我們就可以直接申請啦也不用再什麼改什麼離島建條什麼事情都不用做我們就直接申請就好全部按照這個法律嘛對不對因為它不是國際商港嘛雖然賴總統認為廈門跟金門喔中華人民共和國跟中華民國一邊一國但是兩邊往來不是國際往來啊是叫小山通往來啊所以金門的位置很很\n很委屈啊你一邊說我們兩邊是兩國一邊一國然後這個往來又不叫國際港又叫小山東往來所以我們想要身為用國際港的生命力申請為自由貿易港區又不被准取因為我們叫小山東港不叫國際港所以我們才說那只能修離島建制條約要符合跟國際自由貿易港一樣的待遇嘛持續改在離島建制條約裡面修法如果今天就被認為是國際港我們不用修法對不對沒錯吧就可以直接申請嘛如果金門市地域是國際港是不是可以直接申請\n是國際港就可以直接申請吧任何國際港都可以申請吧如果被認定是國際港啦這不是你認定的交通部在認定如果是認定的國際港就不用申請不用再修法對不對就是可以直接依照那個自貿港區設置管理條例去申請對就是說如果金門被認為是國際港就不用再修什麼立法建設條例所以是因為我們現在法律架構我們不被認為是國際港但是\n總統呢又說我們又是這個廈門跟金門又是兩邊又是一邊一國的不同的地區不同的國家互不隸屬我們又切身為名我們又變成是小山東港口所以我們才要去修這個吧好我們來看看現在實際上國內的自由貿易港區裡頭有多少\n施產地就這種違規的這個行為我也有跟關火署要資料你知道財政部部長你知道現在自由剛我們提的那些金門還沒成立喔剛已經提了這些所謂的自由貿易港區因為違規轉運而被裁罰最多的自由貿易港區在哪裡嗎現行最多的在哪裡嗎部長在高雄對不對沒錯嘛我還給你看一下數據\n金門什麼都還沒有做 給我們扣帽子現在高雄關 高雄關包括高雄跟台南高雄跟台南才是最大的息產地破口 以目前來講高雄關 高雄港跟安平港因為違規轉運而被裁罰的案件呢這麼多年來最多案件的是112年的48件\n48件這是關公署給我們資料去年113年是37件那其他的關呢 台中關是零件這自由貿易港區不是指所有的管 只管自由貿易港區台中關是零件 基隆關是五年六件高雄關48件 台北關就是包括航空城五年一件就相當的少\n那有人說是不是因為高雄港的貨運量比較大所以他比較多案件有這個違規情形不對以去年為例高雄自由貿易港區自貿港的貨運量是101萬公噸台中的是503萬噸台中的運量是高雄的5倍\n但是台中的案件是零高雄的案件是48件是37件高雄關包括台南港跟安平港跟這個高雄港那其實整個來講這是你們給我知道整個來講我說的只是自由貿易港區所以自由貿易港區事實上違規的轉運的案件相對來講數字來講也是不多啦數字很少\n所以自由貿易群根本不應該被扣上一個會變成所謂席產地的缺口的這種罪名今天先不要說金門就算高雄 台南啊 哪裡啊整個違規轉移情形很少其他自由貿易港區以外我們不知道但至少在這裡頭這幾年就四十幾件台中甚至是零件\n所以今天很多人就把自由貿易港區呢扣上了一個帽子說做自由貿易港區就會變成違規洗產地的這種地方呢這個是對這些地區的努力的商家也是很不公平的對高雄的商家對台南商家也是不公平那不管怎麼講現在最多的案件也還是發生在高雄港所以如果照民進黨說現在高雄跟台南才是最大的洗產區破口啊如果照他們現在原則不就違規做的就是高雄跟台南嗎\n這是數據是關公署我們問的你們是關公署提供給我們的這個是只問自由貿易港區不問其他全部的只問自由貿易港區的因為我們今天只提自由貿易港區剛剛委員講那個37件應該那個是華環的那個金額啦37萬不是不是來113年它是高雄關它是9件112年對9件14件啦好不管幾件很少對不對\n就很少嘛 對不對自由貿易港區整個違規的形式是不是相當少如果這樣來看一年九件相對的數量是不是很少 台中關甚至零件我的意思就是說自由貿易港區它不應該被擴散一個會洗產地的這種標籤啦不然就是你們關屋署查核不立喔\n是你們查而不立還是他的違規案件就是這麼少當然我們同仁一定是全力以赴查查所以他的案件九件十四件也好反正高雄台中關甚至零件所以整個的情形很好但最多的還是高雄跟台南沒錯如果以數據來看台中關的部分我跟委員再補充一下台中關他主要就是那個遊船\n所以它的那個貿易額會比較多一點主要是郵品的金額比較高那不管嘛 郵船有可能會被弄成不知道什麼都會被洗產地嘛反正任何東西只要會被洗產地的也有可能嘛有關稅的問題嘛那我的意思就是說自由貿港就它本身的裁判案件這麼少要嘛就是關火署執行不力啊要嘛就事實上真的做的\n沒有這種違規的情形嘛應該是這樣子我覺得這種一個自由貿易港這樣的經濟行為不應該被扣上這樣的帽子啊我的意思是說大家其實要理性來看這件事情那請問啊對未來這個息產地 假設金門啊我請問關無數如果金門哪一天變成國際港啊然後或者我們這個通過以後變成這個自由貿易港你們也會對金門睜一隻眼閉一隻眼嗎就讓他隨便息產地嗎還是也會一視同仁一樣會去查核啊\n跟委員報告我們海關查核的依據是風險就是說高風險低風險我們有不同的一個查核方式如果在進門你不會查核嗎會不會查核也是會嘛對不對你再進門會不會查核還是你閉著眼睛多會查核啊經濟部啊經濟部現在你們所提出對不起再一下經濟部還沒問到經濟部你們有所提出的這個部長提出息產第五大策略你現在是認為這針對這個七大自由貿易港區嗎\n還是針對還沒有 我們都還沒做金門港自貿港區的部分是屬於交通部所以我們可以加強做相關的宣導所以你們這個防止息產店五個策略事實上我們金門都還沒有成立嘛還不是針對金門嘛 對吧\n沒有針對特別的地區對嘛好那所以這個不是針對金門但是民進黨上下把他講成金門那我想請問最重要一件事情來這個財政部部長其實最重要的不是只在廠商的這種自己的這種自律而已關務署啦關務署到時候要加強查核不要中國大陸進來要向美國的貨品要加強查核是落在海關同仁方面我覺得現在部長我想請問你覺得現在海關的能力是夠不夠啊\n海關人力那很吃緊我也知道委員一直很關心我們海關人力的部分那我也請署長去盤點那看尤其這一次我們要加強查緝的需要多少人力那也希望委員給我們支持是我像你看你們基隆關一千人台中關三百多人高雄關一千人但是現在包括了這麼多事情的不管要加快行政效率或者是要加強查核我們這個支持 全力支持這個情形都是\n現在高雄 不是高雄關 關五所人力就不足你們是不是應該財政部要趕快跟這個全序部要求再跟人事總書說這個員樂部要趕快增加是 已經在盤點當中這個是趁這個機會的話增加人力 增加行政效率\n那個增加這個查核這個所謂席產地的這種力道違法那個嘛同時也要讓老百姓了解金門現在就是沒有這個辦法我們也不會成為所謂席產地的地方我們也當地也沒有加工廠也沒有這樣的能力啦所以請大家還是要把這個正常的這個所謂這個貿易的這個行為用正常的想法去想而不是一味的只要想要扣帽子啦好 以上謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.064 --> 00:24.726\n謝謝主席麻煩請財政部還有關務署的署長好財政部還有關務署的署長經濟部是下面要準備好那本席在這邊宣布我們12點開放就是在會場用餐好那個陳一貞委員你開始了好\n\n00:26.534 --> 00:43.410\n最近一個很流行還是一直抹黑我們金門的議題就是說我們這個提案在離島建制條裡面修說要把金門做自由貿易港區那民進黨尤其是民進黨委員會起心上下不但抹黑金門還抹黑自由貿易港區這個詞\n\n00:45.151 --> 00:48.796\n說我們金門要設這個自由貿易港區就是要為中國洗產地要開後門我們都是到時候這個如果被懲罰都是因為我們金門要做這些事情我們變成一個幫兇這個帽子扣得非常的大\n\n01:00.411 --> 01:07.754\n我們先來討論一下大家所說的什麼叫息產地我想觀光署這個署長是專業的財政部也是專業我們來看一下我們講這個對不對什麼叫息產地自由貿易港區是不是會變成息產地的特區我們金門如果變成自由貿易港區是不是會變成息產地的特區我想這個東西帽子不能扣這麼大在李導身上所以我們也要先弄清楚什麼叫息產地\n\n01:25.001 --> 01:45.047\n稀產地根據剛剛各個部會的報告也有說是將已接近成品的貨品進口到台灣簡易加工再把產品比如說本來是MadeinChina到台灣以後簡易加工改成MadeinTaiwan然後如果對美國來講再出口到美國這個就把原來中國字變成台灣字這個叫稀產地第二個可能把\n\n01:49.168 --> 02:10.769\n貨品進到自由貿易港區物流中心保稅區啊然後就違規他沒有做任何的加工他違規改標比如說原來上面貼的是中國製造現在把它改標成台灣製造這叫違規的改標嘛這個定義沒有錯嘛如果是簡易加工但是沒有那麼大的加工他把它改成改產地然後第二個就是說直接就違規啦他就可以改標啦那個署長這樣對不對這個定義\n\n02:14.998 --> 02:31.864\n是報告委員基本上就是一個原型態的把它改標出去的一個透過沒有改變那麼大只有簡易或者是直接改標這個違規的改標這個都叫息產地行為對吧那息產地要有什麼樣的條件呢一個地方如果要息產地呢要\n\n02:32.384 --> 02:58.640\n第一個從大陸如果說沒有辦法中國製大陸製變成台灣製第一個要先進東西嘛進大陸的貨品嘛齁所以一個地方要先進大陸貨品第二個要有加工廠或是工廠改加工或是改標籤嘛要有人去做這個動作嘛齁一個動作嘛齁好或是簡易加工啦齁第三個要輸往美國嘛這美國關切是不能別的地方變成他的嘛變成變成台灣的嘛輸過去所以要有這三個構成要件嘛沒錯吧署長\n\n03:01.479 --> 03:23.350\n沒錯吧要進貨物進來要改標或者是簡易加工或者是然後最後還要把它運到美國這是美國關心的這叫去美國的息產地嘛正確吧基本上就是這些貨物是標示不實貨或者是衛福規定去標示就過程是這個樣子嘛息產地的意義是這樣子啦好那我們來看一下所謂自由貿易港區台灣現在有幾個自由貿易港區署長六港一空\n\n03:28.252 --> 03:53.050\n蘇澳港基隆港台北港桃園空港台中港安平港高雄港還有屏東農業生技園區這些都是自由貿易港區123456789那個生技園區6港1空現在至少7個啦屏東那是生技園區那自由貿易港區我要講一下為什麼我們金門要修這個離島經濟條例為什麼金門也是一個港府它不能變成自由貿易港區關公署長你知道原因嗎\n\n03:54.597 --> 03:57.982\n報告委員金門因為它不是國際商港因為自由港區要定義在國際航空站會會國際商港金門港雖然跟廈門往來但是被定義不是國際商港沒錯吧在我們國內的法律定義如果今天是國際商港\n\n04:10.060 --> 04:27.837\n那我們就可以直接申請啦也不用再什麼改什麼離島建條什麼事情都不用做我們就直接申請就好全部按照這個法律嘛對不對因為它不是國際商港嘛雖然賴總統認為廈門跟金門喔中華人民共和國跟中華民國一邊一國但是兩邊往來不是國際往來啊是叫小山通往來啊所以金門的位置很很\n\n04:29.699 --> 04:59.079\n很委屈啊你一邊說我們兩邊是兩國一邊一國然後這個往來又不叫國際港又叫小山東往來所以我們想要身為用國際港的生命力申請為自由貿易港區又不被准取因為我們叫小山東港不叫國際港所以我們才說那只能修離島建制條約要符合跟國際自由貿易港一樣的待遇嘛持續改在離島建制條約裡面修法如果今天就被認為是國際港我們不用修法對不對沒錯吧就可以直接申請嘛如果金門市地域是國際港是不是可以直接申請\n\n05:03.120 --> 05:26.227\n是國際港就可以直接申請吧任何國際港都可以申請吧如果被認定是國際港啦這不是你認定的交通部在認定如果是認定的國際港就不用申請不用再修法對不對就是可以直接依照那個自貿港區設置管理條例去申請對就是說如果金門被認為是國際港就不用再修什麼立法建設條例所以是因為我們現在法律架構我們不被認為是國際港但是\n\n05:29.006 --> 05:42.656\n總統呢又說我們又是這個廈門跟金門又是兩邊又是一邊一國的不同的地區不同的國家互不隸屬我們又切身為名我們又變成是小山東港口所以我們才要去修這個吧好我們來看看現在實際上國內的自由貿易港區裡頭有多少\n\n05:45.858 --> 06:01.064\n施產地就這種違規的這個行為我也有跟關火署要資料你知道財政部部長你知道現在自由剛我們提的那些金門還沒成立喔剛已經提了這些所謂的自由貿易港區因為違規轉運而被裁罰最多的自由貿易港區在哪裡嗎現行最多的在哪裡嗎部長在高雄對不對沒錯嘛我還給你看一下數據\n\n06:07.560 --> 06:26.899\n金門什麼都還沒有做給我們扣帽子現在高雄關高雄關包括高雄跟台南高雄跟台南才是最大的息產地破口以目前來講高雄關高雄港跟安平港因為違規轉運而被裁罰的案件呢這麼多年來最多案件的是112年的48件\n\n06:29.840 --> 06:51.592\n48件這是關公署給我們資料去年113年是37件那其他的關呢台中關是零件這自由貿易港區不是指所有的管只管自由貿易港區台中關是零件基隆關是五年六件高雄關48件台北關就是包括航空城五年一件就相當的少\n\n06:52.572 --> 07:05.964\n那有人說是不是因為高雄港的貨運量比較大所以他比較多案件有這個違規情形不對以去年為例高雄自由貿易港區自貿港的貨運量是101萬公噸台中的是503萬噸台中的運量是高雄的5倍\n\n07:09.827 --> 07:14.991\n但是台中的案件是零高雄的案件是48件是37件高雄關包括台南港跟安平港跟這個高雄港那其實整個來講這是你們給我知道整個來講我說的只是自由貿易港區所以自由貿易港區事實上違規的轉運的案件相對來講數字來講也是不多啦數字很少\n\n07:29.901 --> 07:48.633\n所以自由貿易群根本不應該被扣上一個會變成所謂席產地的缺口的這種罪名今天先不要說金門就算高雄台南啊哪裡啊整個違規轉移情形很少其他自由貿易港區以外我們不知道但至少在這裡頭這幾年就四十幾件台中甚至是零件\n\n07:49.534 --> 08:16.940\n所以今天很多人就把自由貿易港區呢扣上了一個帽子說做自由貿易港區就會變成違規洗產地的這種地方呢這個是對這些地區的努力的商家也是很不公平的對高雄的商家對台南商家也是不公平那不管怎麼講現在最多的案件也還是發生在高雄港所以如果照民進黨說現在高雄跟台南才是最大的洗產區破口啊如果照他們現在原則不就違規做的就是高雄跟台南嗎\n\n08:19.714 --> 08:43.366\n這是數據是關公署我們問的你們是關公署提供給我們的這個是只問自由貿易港區不問其他全部的只問自由貿易港區的因為我們今天只提自由貿易港區剛剛委員講那個37件應該那個是華環的那個金額啦37萬不是不是來113年它是高雄關它是9件112年對9件14件啦好不管幾件很少對不對\n\n08:44.830 --> 09:03.016\n就很少嘛對不對自由貿易港區整個違規的形式是不是相當少如果這樣來看一年九件相對的數量是不是很少台中關甚至零件我的意思就是說自由貿易港區它不應該被擴散一個會洗產地的這種標籤啦不然就是你們關屋署查核不立喔\n\n09:05.344 --> 09:24.254\n是你們查而不立還是他的違規案件就是這麼少當然我們同仁一定是全力以赴查查所以他的案件九件十四件也好反正高雄台中關甚至零件所以整個的情形很好但最多的還是高雄跟台南沒錯如果以數據來看台中關的部分我跟委員再補充一下台中關他主要就是那個遊船\n\n09:25.715 --> 09:45.096\n所以它的那個貿易額會比較多一點主要是郵品的金額比較高那不管嘛郵船有可能會被弄成不知道什麼都會被洗產地嘛反正任何東西只要會被洗產地的也有可能嘛有關稅的問題嘛那我的意思就是說自由貿港就它本身的裁判案件這麼少要嘛就是關火署執行不力啊要嘛就事實上真的做的\n\n09:45.356 --> 10:02.801\n沒有這種違規的情形嘛應該是這樣子我覺得這種一個自由貿易港這樣的經濟行為不應該被扣上這樣的帽子啊我的意思是說大家其實要理性來看這件事情那請問啊對未來這個息產地假設金門啊我請問關無數如果金門哪一天變成國際港啊然後或者我們這個通過以後變成這個自由貿易港你們也會對金門睜一隻眼閉一隻眼嗎就讓他隨便息產地嗎還是也會一視同仁一樣會去查核啊\n\n10:14.364 --> 10:42.247\n跟委員報告我們海關查核的依據是風險就是說高風險低風險我們有不同的一個查核方式如果在進門你不會查核嗎會不會查核也是會嘛對不對你再進門會不會查核還是你閉著眼睛多會查核啊經濟部啊經濟部現在你們所提出對不起再一下經濟部還沒問到經濟部你們有所提出的這個部長提出息產第五大策略你現在是認為這針對這個七大自由貿易港區嗎\n\n10:43.855 --> 10:57.682\n還是針對還沒有我們都還沒做金門港自貿港區的部分是屬於交通部所以我們可以加強做相關的宣導所以你們這個防止息產店五個策略事實上我們金門都還沒有成立嘛還不是針對金門嘛對吧\n\n10:59.127 --> 11:26.963\n沒有針對特別的地區對嘛好那所以這個不是針對金門但是民進黨上下把他講成金門那我想請問最重要一件事情來這個財政部部長其實最重要的不是只在廠商的這種自己的這種自律而已關務署啦關務署到時候要加強查核不要中國大陸進來要向美國的貨品要加強查核是落在海關同仁方面我覺得現在部長我想請問你覺得現在海關的能力是夠不夠啊\n\n11:28.308 --> 11:53.125\n海關人力那很吃緊我也知道委員一直很關心我們海關人力的部分那我也請署長去盤點那看尤其這一次我們要加強查緝的需要多少人力那也希望委員給我們支持是我像你看你們基隆關一千人台中關三百多人高雄關一千人但是現在包括了這麼多事情的不管要加快行政效率或者是要加強查核我們這個支持全力支持這個情形都是\n\n11:54.685 --> 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郵船有可能會被弄成不知道什麼都會被洗產地嘛反正任何東西只要會被洗產地的也有可能嘛有關稅的問題嘛那我的意思就是說自由貿港就它本身的裁判案件這麼少要嘛就是關火署執行不力啊要嘛就事實上真的做的"},{"start":585.356,"end":602.801,"text":"沒有這種違規的情形嘛應該是這樣子我覺得這種一個自由貿易港這樣的經濟行為不應該被扣上這樣的帽子啊我的意思是說大家其實要理性來看這件事情那請問啊對未來這個息產地 假設金門啊我請問關無數如果金門哪一天變成國際港啊然後或者我們這個通過以後變成這個自由貿易港你們也會對金門睜一隻眼閉一隻眼嗎就讓他隨便息產地嗎還是也會一視同仁一樣會去查核啊"},{"start":614.364,"end":642.247,"text":"跟委員報告我們海關查核的依據是風險就是說高風險低風險我們有不同的一個查核方式如果在進門你不會查核嗎會不會查核也是會嘛對不對你再進門會不會查核還是你閉著眼睛多會查核啊經濟部啊經濟部現在你們所提出對不起再一下經濟部還沒問到經濟部你們有所提出的這個部長提出息產第五大策略你現在是認為這針對這個七大自由貿易港區嗎"},{"start":643.855,"end":657.682,"text":"還是針對還沒有 我們都還沒做金門港自貿港區的部分是屬於交通部所以我們可以加強做相關的宣導所以你們這個防止息產店五個策略事實上我們金門都還沒有成立嘛還不是針對金門嘛 對吧"},{"start":659.127,"end":686.963,"text":"沒有針對特別的地區對嘛好那所以這個不是針對金門但是民進黨上下把他講成金門那我想請問最重要一件事情來這個財政部部長其實最重要的不是只在廠商的這種自己的這種自律而已關務署啦關務署到時候要加強查核不要中國大陸進來要向美國的貨品要加強查核是落在海關同仁方面我覺得現在部長我想請問你覺得現在海關的能力是夠不夠啊"},{"start":688.308,"end":713.125,"text":"海關人力那很吃緊我也知道委員一直很關心我們海關人力的部分那我也請署長去盤點那看尤其這一次我們要加強查緝的需要多少人力那也希望委員給我們支持是我像你看你們基隆關一千人台中關三百多人高雄關一千人但是現在包括了這麼多事情的不管要加快行政效率或者是要加強查核我們這個支持 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