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00:00:43,591\n市長好市長我想現在進入這個談判階段很多數據當然我們希望說能夠一致那我想這樣對於產業來講也好還是對於我國對外談判的這個數字來講會比較明確啦我今天在這個報告裡面想要跟你們交一個事情就是說在經濟部提供的報告裡面\n\n3\n00:00:45,046 --> 00:01:04,336\n在第二頁的提到說我國的車輛產業就業人數約有8.3萬人但是我們如果參照媒體報導4月9號的時候車輛工會也提到說其實整個這個車輛影響的上下游產業有30萬人就業人口2500家廠商那在同份的報告裡面的第二頁的同份報告裡面也提到說\n\n4\n00:01:05,656 --> 00:01:21,410\n車輛工會也呼籲政府要正式汽車產業列上下降30萬就業人口我想要先就這個數字來跟次長討論一下到底我國這個車輛產業到底有多少人會受到產業上會受到影響到底是8.3萬人還是30萬人我想這落差也蠻大的可以不可以說明一下\n\n5\n00:01:21,850 --> 00:01:27,835\n跟委員報告這個如果單就車輛產業的話是8.3萬那因為整個車輛產業的那個產業的很長非常長所以公會才會有統計30萬的這個就業人口的這樣的一個數據出現那所以就這一方面的這些統計數據我想我們這個主計總署那邊基本上我們會就他的行業的內容我們會有一個官方的一個數字出來\n\n6\n00:01:49,051 --> 00:01:57,461\n那我想問一下那麼那個談判辦公室喔如果在這種情況下面到底你們在計算評估對國內產業或對國內就業人口衝擊的時候你們是用所謂8.3萬來算還是用30萬來算\n\n7\n00:02:03,952 --> 00:02:32,106\n我們的影響評估基本上都是由我們的產業主管機關來負責盤點那我們只是希望把它轉換成對美說明的一個相關的論述好謝謝因為我想這個事情其實因為大家民眾的期待跟廠商的這個說法是不太一樣因為民眾當然期待說會因為這一次的事件可能關稅能夠降低降低之後可能車價可以下降但是同時產業也擔心說如果因為整車的這個關稅降低之後\n\n8\n00:02:32,526 --> 00:02:47,285\n對於國內這些製造業國內車輛製造業的這個相關人口不管是你們今天提到的8.3萬還是車輛公會的30萬大家都覺得會受到衝擊所以今天要問得出政府到底去認定這件事情假設假設因為今天\n\n9\n00:02:48,206 --> 00:03:14,397\n談判結果還沒出來嘛可是我們到底在談車輛談這個整車進口也好還是談我們車輛製造業也好這個事情去談判的時候政府要不管你後續假設真的有時候要衝擊因為你看到這個人口8.3後30萬人那我們出口美國的這個產值是35.58億美元這是你們的數據那整個產業鏈有5000多億的這個金額那這個產業鏈到底多少人受到衝擊如果政府這邊的數字是不一致的那我不知道\n\n10\n00:03:15,337 --> 00:03:28,113\n對於民心大家會覺得很不安心我想確定到底你們在計算的時候是用多少人來算如果是用主管機關的單位的算法那我想問經濟部到底是多少人你們會有多少人遭衝擊\n\n11\n00:03:29,248 --> 00:03:37,077\n跟委員報告就是我們這個報告裡面也講得很清楚我們是按照行政院主計總出113年的統計所以我們引用的數據8.3萬人他是從政府的官方的數據來這個出現這樣的一個數據\n\n12\n00:03:45,447 --> 00:04:07,119\n好那我知道了這樣我想這後續的車輛公會趕快再找你們了好那回到這個一樣回到關稅的問題啊那這個部分因為我想車輛他是排除在這個對等的32%裡面嘛包含說現在不管是暫緩90天的部分他是本來就是適用所謂的這個25%的部分嘛那我想問一下經濟部也好或是OTM也好你們有評估過說這個\n\n13\n00:04:09,517 --> 00:04:36,995\n目前是因為台灣的這個稅率是17.5的部分那如果按照談判的過程裡面因為總統說要從這個比照美加盟協定來談美加盟協定當然在美國或在加拿大墨西哥出產的這個車輛零組件它是排除適用嘛不用說適用25%當然相對的他們在進口美國車的稅率也是有相對的付出那我們要問的是說今天是17.5那你們有沒有算過說如果從17.5假設往下談判\n\n14\n00:04:39,557 --> 00:05:07,341\n多少的稅率會對我國的產業或對多少居委人口產生衝擊這個東西有沒有計算過其實我們都有算過啦只是說這個內容其實我們也不宜在這邊做討論那我想我們這個談判辦公室那邊我們也給足了一些資訊那讓這個談判代表們跟美國在談判的時候他可以就對我們產業的衝擊面的部分他會做整體的考量\n\n15\n00:05:07,921 --> 00:05:28,066\n好市長那最後問一個問題就是說其實到目前來講因為如果如你們的報告所說如果有衝擊到8.3萬的就業人口那乘量公會當然是說30萬了在這樣的情形下面我們目前來講這個車關稅汽車關稅整車進口的降價的空間是存在的嗎還是不太可能坦白說\n\n16\n00:05:29,983 --> 00:05:39,355\n呃這個我想還是要看談判的結果再來做做這個說明好沒關係市長謝謝市長跟我們副代表請回喔那我們現在請交通部陳部長部長\n\n17\n00:05:48,953 --> 00:06:04,163\n很好來部長好部長我們針對內政這個就沒有跟你談關稅了這個計程車的部分我想部長應該很清楚知道到底要怎麼樣能夠成為計程車司機過去當然計程車是一個比較這個特取行業有所謂的權利金跟這個靠航的問題\n\n18\n00:06:05,003 --> 00:06:20,296\n那自從這個多元計程車加入之後我想我們有時候很多陳情就是說其實各車行的喊價因為這個他們要投入這個行業裡面他需要有這個牌嘛他們需要有這個營業的執照那也需要靠行所以現在的牌價\n\n19\n00:06:22,137 --> 00:06:36,618\n車牌使用金從8到12萬開始喊那這個問題我想從去年就在發酵我想報紙上也有一些報導那過去有講說要請可能這個各六都的交通局也好或是公路局來了解跟協調我想問一下因為\n\n20\n00:06:37,259 --> 00:06:55,513\n其實四大車行裡面包括容車等等容車只要600塊那其他的民間的廠商民間的民營的這個車行現狀來講很多靠這個維生的這個小黃司機或是多元汽車司機他們會去反映說這個排價好像沒有一個公平的標準是任由車行去喊價的\n\n21\n00:06:56,354 --> 00:07:24,042\n那我想問一下到底目前為止過去邀請六都交通局跟公路局去深入了解的狀況目前狀況是怎麼樣有沒有可能交通部去訂定一個全國一致的範圍的費用應該跟各縣市都有保持聯繫那目前針對這個有漲價的這個靠航費的狀況目前只有兩個縣市現在有看到的是基隆市跟新竹縣那從每個月1200條漲到1500那其他的14個縣市目前的靠航費的部分是沒有做調漲\n\n22\n00:07:25,522 --> 00:07:38,885\n那所以這個部分我們也有收集說駕駛人有沒有這樣子的反應到目前為止很像也沒有收到巧木林利收費的民意收費的這個行為那個車牌使用金靠網費另外一回事有兩個錢的靠網費當然是你們有一個這樣的價格現在問題是車牌使用金就是營業車牌這件事情你們怎麼去管這件事情\n\n23\n00:07:49,412 --> 00:08:03,392\n這個部分跟我們報告一下現在計程車這個號牌的部分大概分三類那一類是優良駕駛人個人車牌的部分那另外一個部分包括這個龍車那個是屬於這個這個合作社的部分那另外一個部分的話大概就是一般計程車行\n\n24\n00:08:04,113 --> 00:08:23,116\n那就是本身擁有這個什麼車耳的部分那車耳的這個部分的話確實可能有一些就是說地方上面不同這個數量上面的一個這個有這樣子的情況那這個部分的話在這個應該是在100這個就是那時候多元計程車要開放的時候那有一個跨地\n\n25\n00:08:23,576 --> 00:08:37,814\n就是說譬如說我舉個例子說台中地區如果本身的相關車額的部分如果說不夠的話那基本上是可以跨區域到新北到台北這邊來這個就是說公會同意的話就可以調這個相關的一個這個車額\n\n26\n00:08:39,997 --> 00:08:57,498\n那至於說剛剛你所提到的部分就是說那這些相關車額的一個這個排費的這個部分的話確實是有一些這個差異那這個部分的話我們再請這個六都這個我想主要問題還是在六都這邊我們再請這個六都\n\n27\n00:08:58,659 --> 00:09:19,623\n對於這個雙方的一個部分再來了解比較細部的情況那如果說有需要這個大家來做一個這個協調這個什麼協商的部分的話這個部分我們也會跟六都來這個就是說合作讓這個計程車入行的一個這個相關負擔能夠這個就是說盡量的一個降低以上\n\n28\n00:09:20,063 --> 00:09:42,333\n我要釐清就其實這兩部分一個是靠行費靠行費當然你們現在有在管制這個OK這沒問題現在問題是說取得營業小車車牌這部分掛牌費這掛牌費這個權利是在交通部手上還是在各車廂手上這部分我覺得是你們是不是要把它收回來還是要怎麼樣去跟業者之間去協調不要說好像就放出去那這個價格大家去喊\n\n29\n00:09:42,873 --> 00:09:55,511\n那這我想對於很多想需要靠這件事情為生的他光是這件事情他就很麻煩還有一個問題現實對不起主席我再最後一分鐘講一下現狀是怎麼樣就是他今年出現在A車行\n\n30\n00:09:56,614 --> 00:10:19,847\n談好的權利金他掛牌OK了但是結果A車行後來經營不善或怎麼樣他賣給B車行B車行回去跟這個司機再收一次權利金他會說那前面是你跟A談的跟我B沒關係所以這個亂象這個管理的部分我想對於交通部來講這個是影響到很多基層民眾的生計我們希望交通部能夠確實的管理這個部分這邊我再補充一點\n\n31\n00:10:20,487 --> 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靠網費另外一回事有兩個錢的靠網費當然是你們有一個這樣的價格現在問題是車牌使用金就是營業車牌這件事情你們怎麼去管這件事情\n469412\t483392\t這個部分跟我們報告一下現在計程車這個號牌的部分大概分三類那一類是優良駕駛人個人車牌的部分那另外一個部分包括這個龍車那個是屬於這個這個合作社的部分那另外一個部分的話大概就是一般計程車行\n484113\t503116\t那就是本身擁有這個什麼車耳的部分那車耳的這個部分的話確實可能有一些就是說地方上面不同這個數量上面的一個這個有這樣子的情況那這個部分的話在這個應該是在100這個就是那時候多元計程車要開放的時候那有一個跨地\n503576\t517814\t就是說譬如說我舉個例子說台中地區如果本身的相關車額的部分如果說不夠的話那基本上是可以跨區域到新北到台北這邊來這個就是說公會同意的話就可以調這個相關的一個這個車額\n519997\t537498\t那至於說剛剛你所提到的部分就是說那這些相關車額的一個這個排費的這個部分的話確實是有一些這個差異那這個部分的話我們再請這個六都這個我想主要問題還是在六都這邊我們再請這個六都\n538659\t559623\t對於這個雙方的一個部分再來了解比較細部的情況那如果說有需要這個大家來做一個這個協調這個什麼協商的部分的話這個部分我們也會跟六都來這個就是說合作讓這個計程車入行的一個這個相關負擔能夠這個就是說盡量的一個降低以上\n560063\t582333\t我要釐清就其實這兩部分一個是靠行費靠行費當然你們現在有在管制這個OK這沒問題現在問題是說取得營業小車車牌這部分掛牌費這掛牌費這個權利是在交通部手上還是在各車廂手上這部分我覺得是你們是不是要把它收回來還是要怎麼樣去跟業者之間去協調不要說好像就放出去那這個價格大家去喊\n582873\t595511\t那這我想對於很多想需要靠這件事情為生的他光是這件事情他就很麻煩還有一個問題現實對不起主席我再最後一分鐘講一下現狀是怎麼樣就是他今年出現在A車行\n596614\t619847\t談好的權利金他掛牌OK了但是結果A車行後來經營不善或怎麼樣他賣給B車行B車行回去跟這個司機再收一次權利金他會說那前面是你跟A談的跟我B沒關係所以這個亂象這個管理的部分我想對於交通部來講這個是影響到很多基層民眾的生計我們希望交通部能夠確實的管理這個部分這邊我再補充一點\n620487\t645503\t如果是這樣子的情況的話因為自備車輛成語經營基本上跟車廠都要簽契約然後這個契約基本上是經過當地公共會雙方這個會商同意之後那如果有這樣子的情況的話我們請這個交通局特別來做這個了解因為這個東西基本上已經違反這樣子的一個這個規定那一規定都可以來做查處好謝謝喔那我們請就是你們把了解狀況了解完之後再跟我們委員會來說明好不好好謝謝好謝謝委員\n","txt":"好謝謝主席主席我們先請那個經濟部的政事何進昌次長跟經貿談判辦公室的副談判代表嚴副代表好來嚴副代表\n市長好市長我想現在進入這個談判階段很多數據當然我們希望說能夠一致那我想這樣對於產業來講也好還是對於我國對外談判的這個數字來講會比較明確啦我今天在這個報告裡面想要跟你們交一個事情就是說在經濟部提供的報告裡面\n在第二頁的提到說我國的車輛產業就業人數約有8.3萬人但是我們如果參照媒體報導4月9號的時候車輛工會也提到說其實整個這個車輛影響的上下游產業有30萬人就業人口2500家廠商那在同份的報告裡面的第二頁的同份報告裡面也提到說\n車輛工會也呼籲政府要正式汽車產業列上下降30萬就業人口我想要先就這個數字來跟次長討論一下到底我國這個車輛產業到底有多少人會受到產業上會受到影響到底是8.3萬人還是30萬人我想這落差也蠻大的可以不可以說明一下\n跟委員報告這個如果單就車輛產業的話是8.3萬那因為整個車輛產業的那個產業的很長非常長所以公會才會有統計30萬的這個就業人口的這樣的一個數據出現那所以就這一方面的這些統計數據我想我們這個主計總署那邊基本上我們會就他的行業的內容我們會有一個官方的一個數字出來\n那我想問一下 那麼那個談判辦公室喔如果在這種情況下面 到底你們在計算評估對國內產業或對國內就業人口衝擊的時候你們是用所謂8.3萬來算 還是用30萬來算\n我們的影響評估基本上都是由我們的產業主管機關來負責盤點那我們只是希望把它轉換成對美說明的一個相關的論述好 謝謝因為我想這個事情其實因為大家民眾的期待跟廠商的這個說法是不太一樣因為民眾當然期待說會因為這一次的事件可能關稅能夠降低降低之後可能車價可以下降但是同時產業也擔心說如果因為整車的這個關稅降低之後\n對於國內這些製造業 國內車輛製造業的這個相關人口不管是你們今天提到的8.3萬還是車輛公會的30萬大家都覺得會受到衝擊所以今天要問得出政府到底去認定這件事情假設 假設因為今天\n談判結果還沒出來嘛可是我們到底在談車輛談這個整車進口也好還是談我們車輛製造業也好這個事情去談判的時候政府要不管你後續假設真的有時候要衝擊因為你看到這個人口8.3後30萬人那我們出口美國的這個產值是35.58億美元這是你們的數據那整個產業鏈有5000多億的這個金額那這個產業鏈到底多少人受到衝擊如果政府這邊的數字是不一致的那我不知道\n對於民心大家會覺得很不安心我想確定到底你們在計算的時候是用多少人來算如果是用主管機關的單位的算法那我想問經濟部到底是多少人你們會有多少人遭衝擊\n跟委員報告就是我們這個報告裡面也講得很清楚我們是按照行政院主計總出113年的統計所以我們引用的數據8.3萬人他是從政府的官方的數據來這個出現這樣的一個數據\n好那我知道了這樣我想這後續的車輛公會趕快再找你們了好那回到這個一樣回到關稅的問題啊那這個部分因為我想車輛他是排除在這個對等的32%裡面嘛包含說現在不管是暫緩90天的部分他是本來就是適用所謂的這個25%的部分嘛那我想問一下經濟部也好或是OTM也好你們有評估過說這個\n目前是因為台灣的這個稅率是17.5的部分那如果按照談判的過程裡面因為總統說要從這個比照美加盟協定來談美加盟協定當然在美國或在加拿大墨西哥出產的這個車輛零組件它是排除適用嘛不用說適用25%當然相對的他們在進口美國車的稅率也是有相對的付出那我們要問的是說今天是17.5那你們有沒有算過說如果從17.5假設往下談判\n多少的稅率會對我國的產業或對多少居委人口產生衝擊這個東西有沒有計算過其實我們都有算過啦只是說這個內容其實我們也不宜在這邊做討論那我想我們這個談判辦公室那邊我們也給足了一些資訊那讓這個談判代表們跟美國在談判的時候他可以就對我們產業的衝擊面的部分他會做整體的考量\n好市長那最後問一個問題就是說其實到目前來講因為如果如你們的報告所說如果有衝擊到8.3萬的就業人口那乘量公會當然是說30萬了在這樣的情形下面我們目前來講這個車關稅汽車關稅整車進口的降價的空間是存在的嗎還是不太可能坦白說\n呃這個我想還是要看談判的結果再來做做這個說明好沒關係市長謝謝市長跟我們副代表請回喔那我們現在請交通部陳部長部長\n很好來部長好部長我們針對內政這個就沒有跟你談關稅了這個計程車的部分我想部長應該很清楚知道到底要怎麼樣能夠成為計程車司機過去當然計程車是一個比較這個特取行業有所謂的權利金跟這個靠航的問題\n那自從這個多元計程車加入之後我想我們有時候很多陳情就是說其實各車行的喊價因為這個他們要投入這個行業裡面他需要有這個牌嘛他們需要有這個營業的執照那也需要靠行所以現在的牌價\n車牌使用金從8到12萬開始喊那這個問題我想從去年就在發酵我想報紙上也有一些報導那過去有講說要請可能這個各六都的交通局也好或是公路局來了解跟協調我想問一下因為\n其實四大車行裡面包括容車等等容車只要600塊那其他的民間的廠商民間的民營的這個車行現狀來講很多靠這個維生的這個小黃司機或是多元汽車司機他們會去反映說這個排價好像沒有一個公平的標準是任由車行去喊價的\n那我想問一下到底目前為止過去邀請六都交通局跟公路局去深入了解的狀況目前狀況是怎麼樣有沒有可能交通部去訂定一個全國一致的範圍的費用應該跟各縣市都有保持聯繫那目前針對這個有漲價的這個靠航費的狀況目前只有兩個縣市現在有看到的是基隆市跟新竹縣那從每個月1200條漲到1500那其他的14個縣市目前的靠航費的部分是沒有做調漲\n那所以這個部分我們也有收集說駕駛人有沒有這樣子的反應到目前為止很像也沒有收到巧木林利收費的民意收費的這個行為那個車牌使用金 靠網費另外一回事有兩個錢的靠網費當然是你們有一個這樣的價格現在問題是車牌使用金就是營業車牌這件事情你們怎麼去管這件事情\n這個部分跟我們報告一下現在計程車這個號牌的部分大概分三類那一類是優良駕駛人個人車牌的部分那另外一個部分包括這個龍車那個是屬於這個這個合作社的部分那另外一個部分的話大概就是一般計程車行\n那就是本身擁有這個什麼車耳的部分那車耳的這個部分的話確實可能有一些就是說地方上面不同這個數量上面的一個這個有這樣子的情況那這個部分的話在這個應該是在100這個就是那時候多元計程車要開放的時候那有一個跨地\n就是說譬如說我舉個例子說台中地區如果本身的相關車額的部分如果說不夠的話那基本上是可以跨區域到新北到台北這邊來這個就是說公會同意的話就可以調這個相關的一個這個車額\n那至於說剛剛你所提到的部分就是說那這些相關車額的一個這個排費的這個部分的話確實是有一些這個差異那這個部分的話我們再請這個六都這個我想主要問題還是在六都這邊我們再請這個六都\n對於這個雙方的一個部分再來了解比較細部的情況那如果說有需要這個大家來做一個這個協調這個什麼協商的部分的話這個部分我們也會跟六都來這個就是說合作讓這個計程車入行的一個這個相關負擔能夠這個就是說盡量的一個降低以上\n我要釐清就其實這兩部分一個是靠行費靠行費當然你們現在有在管制這個OK這沒問題現在問題是說取得營業小車車牌這部分掛牌費這掛牌費這個權利是在交通部手上還是在各車廂手上這部分我覺得是你們是不是要把它收回來還是要怎麼樣去跟業者之間去協調不要說好像就放出去那這個價格大家去喊\n那這我想對於很多想需要靠這件事情為生的他光是這件事情他就很麻煩還有一個問題現實對不起主席我再最後一分鐘講一下現狀是怎麼樣就是他今年出現在A車行\n談好的權利金他掛牌OK了但是結果A車行後來經營不善或怎麼樣他賣給B車行B車行回去跟這個司機再收一次權利金他會說那前面是你跟A談的跟我B沒關係所以這個亂象這個管理的部分我想對於交通部來講這個是影響到很多基層民眾的生計我們希望交通部能夠確實的管理這個部分這邊我再補充一點\n如果是這樣子的情況的話因為自備車輛成語經營基本上跟車廠都要簽契約然後這個契約基本上是經過當地公共會雙方這個會商同意之後那如果有這樣子的情況的話我們請這個交通局特別來做這個了解因為這個東西基本上已經違反這樣子的一個這個規定那一規定都可以來做查處好謝謝喔那我們請就是你們把了解狀況了解完之後再跟我們委員會來說明好不好好謝謝好謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.352 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02:47.285\n對於國內這些製造業國內車輛製造業的這個相關人口不管是你們今天提到的8.3萬還是車輛公會的30萬大家都覺得會受到衝擊所以今天要問得出政府到底去認定這件事情假設假設因為今天\n\n02:48.206 --> 03:14.397\n談判結果還沒出來嘛可是我們到底在談車輛談這個整車進口也好還是談我們車輛製造業也好這個事情去談判的時候政府要不管你後續假設真的有時候要衝擊因為你看到這個人口8.3後30萬人那我們出口美國的這個產值是35.58億美元這是你們的數據那整個產業鏈有5000多億的這個金額那這個產業鏈到底多少人受到衝擊如果政府這邊的數字是不一致的那我不知道\n\n03:15.337 --> 03:28.113\n對於民心大家會覺得很不安心我想確定到底你們在計算的時候是用多少人來算如果是用主管機關的單位的算法那我想問經濟部到底是多少人你們會有多少人遭衝擊\n\n03:29.248 --> 03:37.077\n跟委員報告就是我們這個報告裡面也講得很清楚我們是按照行政院主計總出113年的統計所以我們引用的數據8.3萬人他是從政府的官方的數據來這個出現這樣的一個數據\n\n03:45.447 --> 04:07.119\n好那我知道了這樣我想這後續的車輛公會趕快再找你們了好那回到這個一樣回到關稅的問題啊那這個部分因為我想車輛他是排除在這個對等的32%裡面嘛包含說現在不管是暫緩90天的部分他是本來就是適用所謂的這個25%的部分嘛那我想問一下經濟部也好或是OTM也好你們有評估過說這個\n\n04:09.517 --> 04:36.995\n目前是因為台灣的這個稅率是17.5的部分那如果按照談判的過程裡面因為總統說要從這個比照美加盟協定來談美加盟協定當然在美國或在加拿大墨西哥出產的這個車輛零組件它是排除適用嘛不用說適用25%當然相對的他們在進口美國車的稅率也是有相對的付出那我們要問的是說今天是17.5那你們有沒有算過說如果從17.5假設往下談判\n\n04:39.557 --> 05:07.341\n多少的稅率會對我國的產業或對多少居委人口產生衝擊這個東西有沒有計算過其實我們都有算過啦只是說這個內容其實我們也不宜在這邊做討論那我想我們這個談判辦公室那邊我們也給足了一些資訊那讓這個談判代表們跟美國在談判的時候他可以就對我們產業的衝擊面的部分他會做整體的考量\n\n05:07.921 --> 05:28.066\n好市長那最後問一個問題就是說其實到目前來講因為如果如你們的報告所說如果有衝擊到8.3萬的就業人口那乘量公會當然是說30萬了在這樣的情形下面我們目前來講這個車關稅汽車關稅整車進口的降價的空間是存在的嗎還是不太可能坦白說\n\n05:29.983 --> 05:39.355\n呃這個我想還是要看談判的結果再來做做這個說明好沒關係市長謝謝市長跟我們副代表請回喔那我們現在請交通部陳部長部長\n\n05:48.953 --> 06:04.163\n很好來部長好部長我們針對內政這個就沒有跟你談關稅了這個計程車的部分我想部長應該很清楚知道到底要怎麼樣能夠成為計程車司機過去當然計程車是一個比較這個特取行業有所謂的權利金跟這個靠航的問題\n\n06:05.003 --> 06:20.296\n那自從這個多元計程車加入之後我想我們有時候很多陳情就是說其實各車行的喊價因為這個他們要投入這個行業裡面他需要有這個牌嘛他們需要有這個營業的執照那也需要靠行所以現在的牌價\n\n06:22.137 --> 06:36.618\n車牌使用金從8到12萬開始喊那這個問題我想從去年就在發酵我想報紙上也有一些報導那過去有講說要請可能這個各六都的交通局也好或是公路局來了解跟協調我想問一下因為\n\n06:37.259 --> 06:55.513\n其實四大車行裡面包括容車等等容車只要600塊那其他的民間的廠商民間的民營的這個車行現狀來講很多靠這個維生的這個小黃司機或是多元汽車司機他們會去反映說這個排價好像沒有一個公平的標準是任由車行去喊價的\n\n06:56.354 --> 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