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00:02:34,178\n台灣的這個技術上面非常好我想問的就是財政部跟經濟部目前知道是哪些貨物嗎不知道也沒有關係那麼有沒有打算要做一定的清查來做交叉分析有沒有時刻表這個部分我們可以跟經濟部一起再來做一次清理好那麼經濟部這裡呢你們有去做了解嗎\n\n8\n00:02:45,149 --> 00:03:01,899\n我們回去跟財政部一起來討論好那麼我希望你們壓一個時間點要多少的時間因為我們現在還是面臨著最美談判第一線在談判後面的後援必須要給足夠的子彈\n\n9\n00:03:02,979 --> 00:03:28,304\n談到了才會知道說到底有多少是我們直接對美的又有多少其實是算在我們這裡但事實上他從周邊國家我們需要說周邊國家如果他們的稅率現在是高於32%的那麼他就會持續的把這個quota算在我們這裡喔這個不涉及我們現在在講的紅色供應鏈但確實這個也是我們全球經濟布局上面必須要面對的問題要多少時間\n\n10\n00:03:30,987 --> 00:03:52,872\n是不是給我們兩個禮拜的時間好不好好謝謝因為兩個禮拜的時間非常寶貴我們只有90天可以來談判來看下一張我想最近大家都在講這個所謂自由貿易港區又或者是陳玉珍委員所提出來的就是有關離島建設條例當中是不是幫中國去開後門來洗產地\n\n11\n00:03:54,492 --> 00:04:17,942\n前面我們要擔心的是別的稅率對等高一稅高於台灣的國家同樣的也用所謂的付出口值來加深我們對美的逆差順差但是在自由貿易港區有關於這個違法的部分是不是法環太低那麼這個部分是不是應該做討論那麼現在部內財政部有沒有什麼樣的想法\n\n12\n00:04:18,968 --> 00:04:37,964\n市務委員報告對於自貿港區管理條例裡面因為管理條例這個部分是交通部主管那它這個部分處的是三萬元以上三十萬元以下事實上是比貿易法來的低因為貿易法我們剛剛知道最高是到三百萬那這個部分可以建議交通部是不是要考慮提高相關的罰則\n\n13\n00:04:39,605 --> 00:04:53,810\n好其實組織單位雖然是交通部啦但是我們現在全面所面臨的包括來自於國際上面或美方整個經濟情勢上面的壓力就像如您所說的他跟其他的貿易法方來說他的\n\n14\n00:04:55,951 --> 00:04:58,234\n確實新台幣3萬到30萬這個大家都會覺得說你到貿易港區被罰一下如果我可以賺幾個億我罰個30萬有什麼這個確實啦賠錢的生意沒人做但是沙頭的生意只要能夠賺\n\n15\n00:05:11,428 --> 00:05:23,311\n有人還是會願意這個部分我希望財政部經濟部跟交通部在這個部分我們在罰則的部分也必須要好好的一起來做一個通盤的檢討因為現在就是在我們面臨關稅談判的最前線的最後關鍵90天最後有一個來下一張我趕快的來講一下因為我們即將在立法院有一個跨黨派的訪問團包括我在內我們也都要到華府去當我們面對\n\n16\n00:05:39,635 --> 00:06:05,414\n外國的國會議員的時候他們只有一句話那就是你的立法院你所訂定的法規到底是協助中國席產地還是我們的法規是要杜絕中國席產地我在國防外交委員會的時候其實我質詢過江正次了次長會認為現在的國民黨所提出來的離島建設條例他們沒有打算要撤喔但是我也知道說實話啦\n\n17\n00:06:06,815 --> 00:06:30,403\n部長我現在不在財委會啦你要面對的這個提案人是在我們財委會的委員你可能不好說但是我就先問你離島建設條例為什麼會特別提出來就是因為金門它本身就不是一個國際港所以它無法用我們自由貿易港區對不對所以它現在另外提了這條我只問如果現在這個法案在立法院如果今天\n\n18\n00:06:31,743 --> 00:06:47,849\n財政部你不表態現在的立法院就是藍白會過多數他說今天明天院會說要拿出來表決就可以過喔所以我想問財政部的立場這樣的法案有沒有息產地的疑慮如果今天我遇到了美國的國會議員\n\n19\n00:06:49,329 --> 00:07:10,919\n我要怎麼轉達我們財政部經濟部的說法我要告訴他的是說現在的立法院就是藍白戰多數所以這種法案就是可以在金門過關可以大大地說我幫大陸地區的人民法人團體機構資金物品商品勞務跟服務他能夠政府適度地給相關的鬆綁會不會鬆綁這樣的法規請問財政部經濟部怎麼看要不要給鬆綁\n\n20\n00:07:18,764 --> 00:07:31,835\n這次在談判裡面有關違規轉運的部分是一個還有出口管制是非常重要的一個談判的一個關鍵點我想這個部分要非常的注意所以政府會不會給大陸地區也是中國適度的鬆綁會嗎\n\n21\n00:07:35,118 --> 00:07:47,849\n怎麼會對中國大陸來鬆綁呢?因為他們被美國克徵145%的那個不是,我是說他會進來台灣啊就是因為他克了145啊台灣現在目前是10啊那我們會加強的查核啊好,會加強的查核,經濟部也是嗎?\n\n22\n00:07:54,895 --> 00:08:05,898\n所以本席見到美國的國會議員的時候我可以請他放心立法院雖然民進黨現在不是多數但是至少我們的中央政府會守住這種法案我們是堅決反對的不敢講喔那這樣子我跟兩位報告我們前方談判前方吃緊後方緊吃啊\n\n23\n00:08:17,947 --> 00:08:33,932\n很麻煩啊不會的我想大家我們會是談判團隊的最後的一個最好的後盾好絕對不會讓中國洗產地至少這個話你們講得出來吧來部長會讓中國洗產地嗎我們一定要努力的阻絕這樣洗產地的行為好政司呢我們也不容許這樣的行為發生好謝謝好\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11114\t34777\t謝謝美麗的主席 辛苦了 要撐到中午我有請莊部長以及我們經濟部的姜政次對 姜政次好 我們的莊部長跟姜次長部長 我想詢問的部分因為其實前面蠻多委員都已經詢問過那麼我就針對我現在想要理解的 來 下一張\n36307\t52479\t我想其實防堵紅色供應鏈現在全世界都在清查自己在對美的貿易跟出口的部分那麼本席特別跟我們的關務署有提到那就是我們知道美國現在公佈的包括他們原本的這個現在雖然是暫緩\n54740\t83411\t實施90天但是幾個國家在對等關稅的稅率當中像這個從50%到41%都有那麼台灣是32%那麼許多的國家像越南啦緬甸啦這些新南向的國家包括泰國的37%孟加拉的37%等等其實這個對台灣的影響就是過去我們當然也知道我們為了去紅供應鏈我們會有新南向的政策\n83931\t89918\t那麼在這個部分呢根據本集現在所了解是台灣對美的副出口值從2016到2024那麼這8年來其實成長了153%過去大家都在問的就是說除了\n99028\t123622\t我們直接對美的出口之外這種所謂的對美的副出口值在增加多年來8年就有153的時候到底是哪些物品又或者是說財政部或者跟經濟部之間有沒有一個詳細的數字因為過去我所關心的當然是我們直接對美的出口包括前幾名的有一些AI的\n124882\t138948\tIC的電腦的供應的相關的周邊零組件產品等等而這個副出口值扣合的是我等一下要問的題目就是這個進來台灣做了一定的加工之後再出去的這個更多因為\n139648\t154178\t台灣的這個技術上面非常好我想問的就是財政部跟經濟部目前知道是哪些貨物嗎不知道也沒有關係那麼有沒有打算要做一定的清查來做交叉分析有沒有時刻表這個部分我們可以跟經濟部一起再來做一次清理好那麼經濟部這裡呢你們有去做了解嗎\n165149\t181899\t我們回去跟財政部一起來討論好 那麼我希望你們壓一個時間點要多少的時間因為我們現在還是面臨著最美談判第一線在談判後面的後援必須要給足夠的子彈\n182979\t208304\t談到了才會知道說到底有多少是我們直接對美的又有多少其實是算在我們這裡但事實上他從周邊國家我們需要說周邊國家如果他們的稅率現在是高於32%的那麼他就會持續的把這個 quota 算在我們這裡喔這個不涉及我們現在在講的紅色供應鏈但確實這個也是我們全球經濟布局上面必須要面對的問題要多少時間\n210987\t232872\t是不是給我們兩個禮拜的時間好不好好 謝謝因為兩個禮拜的時間非常寶貴我們只有90天可以來談判來看下一張我想最近大家都在講這個所謂自由貿易港區又或者是陳玉珍委員所提出來的就是有關離島建設條例當中是不是幫中國去開後門來洗產地\n234492\t257942\t前面我們要擔心的是別的稅率對等高一稅高於台灣的國家同樣的也用所謂的付出口值來加深我們對美的逆差順差但是在自由貿易港區有關於這個違法的部分是不是法環太低那麼這個部分是不是應該做討論那麼現在部內財政部有沒有什麼樣的想法\n258968\t277964\t市務委員報告對於自貿港區管理條例裡面因為管理條例這個部分是交通部主管那它這個部分處的是三萬元以上三十萬元以下事實上是比貿易法來的低因為貿易法我們剛剛知道最高是到三百萬那這個部分可以建議交通部是不是要考慮提高相關的罰則\n279605\t293810\t好其實組織單位雖然是交通部啦但是我們現在全面所面臨的包括來自於國際上面或美方整個經濟情勢上面的壓力就像如您所說的他跟其他的貿易法方來說他的\n295951\t298234\t確實新台幣3萬到30萬這個大家都會覺得說你到貿易港區被罰一下如果我可以賺幾個億我罰個30萬有什麼這個確實啦賠錢的生意沒人做但是沙頭的生意只要能夠賺\n311428\t323311\t有人還是會願意這個部分我希望財政部經濟部跟交通部在這個部分我們在罰則的部分也必須要好好的一起來做一個通盤的檢討因為現在就是在我們面臨關稅談判的最前線的最後關鍵90天最後有一個來下一張我趕快的來講一下因為我們即將在立法院有一個跨黨派的訪問團包括我在內我們也都要到華府去當我們面對\n339635\t365414\t外國的國會議員的時候他們只有一句話那就是你的立法院你所訂定的法規到底是協助中國席產地還是我們的法規是要杜絕中國席產地我在國防外交委員會的時候其實我質詢過江正次了次長會認為現在的國民黨所提出來的離島建設條例他們沒有打算要撤喔但是我也知道說實話啦\n366815\t390403\t部長我現在不在財委會啦你要面對的這個提案人是在我們財委會的委員你可能不好說但是我就先問你離島建設條例為什麼會特別提出來就是因為金門它本身就不是一個國際港所以它無法用我們自由貿易港區對不對所以它現在另外提了這條我只問如果現在這個法案在立法院如果今天\n391743\t407849\t財政部你不表態現在的立法院就是藍白會過多數他說今天明天院會說要拿出來表決就可以過喔所以我想問財政部的立場這樣的法案有沒有息產地的疑慮如果今天我遇到了美國的國會議員\n409329\t430919\t我要怎麼轉達我們財政部經濟部的說法我要告訴他的是說現在的立法院就是藍白戰多數所以這種法案就是可以在金門過關可以大大地說我幫大陸地區的人民法人團體機構資金物品商品勞務跟服務他能夠政府適度地給相關的鬆綁會不會鬆綁這樣的法規請問財政部經濟部怎麼看要不要給鬆綁\n438764\t451835\t這次在談判裡面有關違規轉運的部分是一個還有出口管制是非常重要的一個談判的一個關鍵點我想這個部分要非常的注意所以政府會不會給大陸地區也是中國適度的鬆綁會嗎\n455118\t467849\t怎麼會對中國大陸來鬆綁呢?因為他們被美國克徵145%的那個不是,我是說他會進來台灣啊就是因為他克了145啊台灣現在目前是10啊那我們會加強的查核啊好,會加強的查核,經濟部也是嗎?\n474895\t485898\t所以本席見到美國的國會議員的時候我可以請他放心立法院雖然民進黨現在不是多數但是至少我們的中央政府會守住這種法案我們是堅決反對的不敢講喔那這樣子我跟兩位報告我們前方談判前方吃緊後方緊吃啊\n497947\t513932\t很麻煩啊不會的 我想大家我們會是談判團隊的最後的一個最好的後盾好 絕對不會讓中國洗產地至少這個話你們講得出來吧來 部長會讓中國洗產地嗎我們一定要努力的阻絕這樣洗產地的行為好 政司呢我們也不容許這樣的行為發生好 謝謝好\n","txt":"謝謝美麗的主席 辛苦了 要撐到中午我有請莊部長以及我們經濟部的姜政次對 姜政次好 我們的莊部長跟姜次長部長 我想詢問的部分因為其實前面蠻多委員都已經詢問過那麼我就針對我現在想要理解的 來 下一張\n我想其實防堵紅色供應鏈現在全世界都在清查自己在對美的貿易跟出口的部分那麼本席特別跟我們的關務署有提到那就是我們知道美國現在公佈的包括他們原本的這個現在雖然是暫緩\n實施90天但是幾個國家在對等關稅的稅率當中像這個從50%到41%都有那麼台灣是32%那麼許多的國家像越南啦緬甸啦這些新南向的國家包括泰國的37%孟加拉的37%等等其實這個對台灣的影響就是過去我們當然也知道我們為了去紅供應鏈我們會有新南向的政策\n那麼在這個部分呢根據本集現在所了解是台灣對美的副出口值從2016到2024那麼這8年來其實成長了153%過去大家都在問的就是說除了\n我們直接對美的出口之外這種所謂的對美的副出口值在增加多年來8年就有153的時候到底是哪些物品又或者是說財政部或者跟經濟部之間有沒有一個詳細的數字因為過去我所關心的當然是我們直接對美的出口包括前幾名的有一些AI的\nIC的電腦的供應的相關的周邊零組件產品等等而這個副出口值扣合的是我等一下要問的題目就是這個進來台灣做了一定的加工之後再出去的這個更多因為\n台灣的這個技術上面非常好我想問的就是財政部跟經濟部目前知道是哪些貨物嗎不知道也沒有關係那麼有沒有打算要做一定的清查來做交叉分析有沒有時刻表這個部分我們可以跟經濟部一起再來做一次清理好那麼經濟部這裡呢你們有去做了解嗎\n我們回去跟財政部一起來討論好 那麼我希望你們壓一個時間點要多少的時間因為我們現在還是面臨著最美談判第一線在談判後面的後援必須要給足夠的子彈\n談到了才會知道說到底有多少是我們直接對美的又有多少其實是算在我們這裡但事實上他從周邊國家我們需要說周邊國家如果他們的稅率現在是高於32%的那麼他就會持續的把這個 quota 算在我們這裡喔這個不涉及我們現在在講的紅色供應鏈但確實這個也是我們全球經濟布局上面必須要面對的問題要多少時間\n是不是給我們兩個禮拜的時間好不好好 謝謝因為兩個禮拜的時間非常寶貴我們只有90天可以來談判來看下一張我想最近大家都在講這個所謂自由貿易港區又或者是陳玉珍委員所提出來的就是有關離島建設條例當中是不是幫中國去開後門來洗產地\n前面我們要擔心的是別的稅率對等高一稅高於台灣的國家同樣的也用所謂的付出口值來加深我們對美的逆差順差但是在自由貿易港區有關於這個違法的部分是不是法環太低那麼這個部分是不是應該做討論那麼現在部內財政部有沒有什麼樣的想法\n市務委員報告對於自貿港區管理條例裡面因為管理條例這個部分是交通部主管那它這個部分處的是三萬元以上三十萬元以下事實上是比貿易法來的低因為貿易法我們剛剛知道最高是到三百萬那這個部分可以建議交通部是不是要考慮提高相關的罰則\n好其實組織單位雖然是交通部啦但是我們現在全面所面臨的包括來自於國際上面或美方整個經濟情勢上面的壓力就像如您所說的他跟其他的貿易法方來說他的\n確實新台幣3萬到30萬這個大家都會覺得說你到貿易港區被罰一下如果我可以賺幾個億我罰個30萬有什麼這個確實啦賠錢的生意沒人做但是沙頭的生意只要能夠賺\n有人還是會願意這個部分我希望財政部經濟部跟交通部在這個部分我們在罰則的部分也必須要好好的一起來做一個通盤的檢討因為現在就是在我們面臨關稅談判的最前線的最後關鍵90天最後有一個來下一張我趕快的來講一下因為我們即將在立法院有一個跨黨派的訪問團包括我在內我們也都要到華府去當我們面對\n外國的國會議員的時候他們只有一句話那就是你的立法院你所訂定的法規到底是協助中國席產地還是我們的法規是要杜絕中國席產地我在國防外交委員會的時候其實我質詢過江正次了次長會認為現在的國民黨所提出來的離島建設條例他們沒有打算要撤喔但是我也知道說實話啦\n部長我現在不在財委會啦你要面對的這個提案人是在我們財委會的委員你可能不好說但是我就先問你離島建設條例為什麼會特別提出來就是因為金門它本身就不是一個國際港所以它無法用我們自由貿易港區對不對所以它現在另外提了這條我只問如果現在這個法案在立法院如果今天\n財政部你不表態現在的立法院就是藍白會過多數他說今天明天院會說要拿出來表決就可以過喔所以我想問財政部的立場這樣的法案有沒有息產地的疑慮如果今天我遇到了美國的國會議員\n我要怎麼轉達我們財政部經濟部的說法我要告訴他的是說現在的立法院就是藍白戰多數所以這種法案就是可以在金門過關可以大大地說我幫大陸地區的人民法人團體機構資金物品商品勞務跟服務他能夠政府適度地給相關的鬆綁會不會鬆綁這樣的法規請問財政部經濟部怎麼看要不要給鬆綁\n這次在談判裡面有關違規轉運的部分是一個還有出口管制是非常重要的一個談判的一個關鍵點我想這個部分要非常的注意所以政府會不會給大陸地區也是中國適度的鬆綁會嗎\n怎麼會對中國大陸來鬆綁呢?因為他們被美國克徵145%的那個不是,我是說他會進來台灣啊就是因為他克了145啊台灣現在目前是10啊那我們會加強的查核啊好,會加強的查核,經濟部也是嗎?\n所以本席見到美國的國會議員的時候我可以請他放心立法院雖然民進黨現在不是多數但是至少我們的中央政府會守住這種法案我們是堅決反對的不敢講喔那這樣子我跟兩位報告我們前方談判前方吃緊後方緊吃啊\n很麻煩啊不會的 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