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00:01:40,151\n熱淨鍍芯啦我知道他那個CS就是有一些是整體在中國道路那邊做熱淨鍍芯而有一部分是在台灣他是分不同的部分鍍完再去連接所以像這個部分就是說到底以後如果是以供應鏈的角度來看咦咱的供應鏈有可能用到他們中工的東西那到底要怎麼去運用\n\n6\n00:01:41,622 --> 00:01:59,764\n像這個東西可能要想很古董的要想很專門的所以就我們的交通事業方面的產業那跟中國供應鏈有關係的可能都一併去做思考這說起來是很多啦但是細節可能要你們交通部去盤點\n\n7\n00:02:01,125 --> 00:02:27,439\n所以希望說交通部我想各部會都會遇到這個問題啦就是說你沒關係公共工程用到所有的機具或者是載具那你就是任何的車產業界都有可能這個供應鏈長期都會受到影響所以這提醒我們各部門就是說可能這個部分要先去預作一下思考不然未來有人回到你再去\n\n8\n00:02:29,161 --> 00:02:30,503\n其實我們一直要求觀光署請署長\n\n9\n00:02:45,143 --> 00:03:01,392\n我想去年觀光署其實有在台北做一個觀光產業數位博覽會那我想這個是一個比較先進的AI技術的融入這個部分其實應該給予觀光署肯定啦我知道不錯的地方先跟你們討論\n\n10\n00:03:03,173 --> 00:03:19,982\n董仁你昨天有答應說6月要到高雄來辦嘛對不對是那不知道現在準備的如何我們也配合仲夏節那麼在柏二會有三天的這種數位的這個策展那跟民眾一起互動\n\n11\n00:03:20,842 --> 00:03:44,721\n那這個部分我們已經整個系統都設計好了那我們會5月23號一起公佈OK謝謝這個照規劃進行這個我想承諾的東西我要再坎縫一次是不是有答應了有做好這個一定會做謝謝那當然就是說我想再請教一下就是署長這問題今天AI應用到觀光產業那在目前台灣的\n\n12\n00:03:45,982 --> 00:04:06,576\n影響有多大或者是產值有多大因為在應該這麼講AI跟AR的應用其實是在行銷推廣之外還有一個非常重要就是民眾的回饋然後我們要結合大數據的分析跟區塊鏈這樣才能夠精準的掌握市場\n\n13\n00:04:07,637 --> 00:04:33,052\n那麼尤其是在少子化跟高齡化之後我們觀光的產業尤其是旅行業、旅館業、遊樂區業他們也需要有更多的這些我們的數位的這些應用那麼如此的話我們整個觀光的這個旅遊產業才能夠更往前走對就是上一次我有跟部長跟署長提到就是說到底台灣你來台灣最有吸引力的是什麼\n\n14\n00:04:34,886 --> 00:04:58,438\n那目前來講就是說我們的觀光人數上次也有提到現在是786萬坦白講這個數字我們是相當不滿意啦那我們當時很努力的把觀光局變成觀光署就是希望能夠提高格局那做一個更廣闊的思考\n\n15\n00:04:59,238 --> 00:05:15,568\n所以我們有個概念就是處處都是打卡點步步都是觀光部那是不是就觀光署在做這個格局的思考的時候我現在覺得你們可能還是被綁在交通部底下的觀光署裡面\n\n16\n00:05:16,918 --> 00:05:38,410\n應該你要跳出來就是說你今天假設是行政院的立場或者是行政院政務委員的立場你來看觀光署應該怎麼發展那該跟各部會跨部會溝通交流的改善的這個該做的要去做要不然你看你的設定的目標去年786萬今年設定的也是\n\n17\n00:05:39,625 --> 00:06:08,908\n一千萬對不對挑戰一千萬對我上次不是有講了你看日本是今年是四千萬二零三年是六千萬那到底我們觀光署交通部在這一部分的長遠的思考有沒有去做改變所以我要要求就是說這個部分希望你們可以改變一下思考就是說不要老是在裡面我再舉個例子那個我曾經到那個\n\n18\n00:06:10,723 --> 00:06:26,912\n去拜訪,就是你去其他各個代表處去拜訪,其實你會發現說,以印尼來講,印尼、印度、法國、加拿大、菲律賓都在這裡辦事處對不對?你過後到底有過後果嗎?\n\n19\n00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:53,122\n那個是遊客中心啦我們是台灣觀光遊客中心最後就是回過頭來看我的786嘛對不對對我們希望雙印的部分能夠設辦事處也就是我們現在目前為止跟外交部怎麼做都是你的戰術策略啦我要看的就是戰略佈局嘛你最後的結果\n\n20\n00:06:53,923 --> 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步步都是觀光部那是不是就觀光署在做這個格局的思考的時候我現在覺得你們可能還是被綁在交通部底下的觀光署裡面\n316918\t338410\t應該你要跳出來就是說你今天假設是行政院的立場或者是行政院政務委員的立場你來看觀光署應該怎麼發展那該跟各部會跨部會溝通交流的改善的這個該做的要去做要不然你看你的設定的目標去年786萬今年設定的也是\n339625\t368908\t一千萬對不對挑戰一千萬對我上次不是有講了你看日本是今年是四千萬二零三年是六千萬那到底我們觀光署交通部在這一部分的長遠的思考有沒有去做改變所以我要要求就是說這個部分希望你們可以改變一下思考就是說不要老是在裡面我再舉個例子那個我曾經到那個\n370723\t386912\t去拜訪,就是你去其他各個代表處去拜訪,其實你會發現說,以印尼來講,印尼、印度、法國、加拿大、菲律賓都在這裡辦事處對不對?你過後到底有過後果嗎?\n391840\t413122\t那個是遊客中心啦我們是台灣觀光遊客中心最後就是回過頭來看我的786嘛對不對對我們希望雙印的部分能夠設辦事處也就是我們現在目前為止跟外交部怎麼做都是你的戰術策略啦我要看的就是戰略佈局嘛你最後的結果\n413923\t423394\t你最後的結果坦白講七八六我今天觀光局變成觀光署照理講是提升一個層次是我的要求應該要提高一個層次\n425720\t451655\t是 我們大概是有兩個部分一個是等於是求職的部分 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咱的供應鏈有可能用到他們中工的東西那到底要怎麼去運用\n像這個東西可能要想很古董的要想很專門的所以就我們的交通事業方面的產業那跟中國供應鏈有關係的可能都一併去做思考這說起來是很多啦但是細節可能要你們交通部去盤點\n所以希望說交通部我想各部會都會遇到這個問題啦就是說你沒關係公共工程用到所有的機具或者是載具那你就是任何的車產業界都有可能這個供應鏈長期都會受到影響所以這提醒我們各部門就是說可能這個部分要先去預作一下思考不然未來有人回到你再去\n其實我們一直要求觀光署請署長\n我想去年觀光署其實有在台北做一個觀光產業數位博覽會那我想這個是一個比較先進的AI技術的融入這個部分其實應該給予觀光署肯定啦我知道不錯的地方先跟你們討論\n董仁你昨天有答應說6月要到高雄來辦嘛對不對是那不知道現在準備的如何我們也配合仲夏節那麼在柏二會有三天的這種數位的這個策展那跟民眾一起互動\n那這個部分我們已經整個系統都設計好了那我們會5月23號一起公佈OK 謝謝這個照規劃進行這個我想承諾的東西我要再坎縫一次是不是有答應了有做好這個一定會做謝謝那當然就是說我想再請教一下就是署長這問題今天AI應用到觀光產業那在目前台灣的\n影響有多大或者是產值有多大因為在應該這麼講AI跟AR的應用其實是在行銷推廣之外還有一個非常重要就是民眾的回饋然後我們要結合大數據的分析跟區塊鏈這樣才能夠精準的掌握市場\n那麼尤其是在少子化跟高齡化之後我們觀光的產業尤其是旅行業、旅館業、遊樂區業他們也需要有更多的這些我們的數位的這些應用那麼如此的話我們整個觀光的這個旅遊產業才能夠更往前走對 就是上一次我有跟部長跟署長提到就是說到底台灣你來台灣最有吸引力的是什麼\n那目前來講就是說我們的觀光人數上次也有提到現在是786萬坦白講這個數字我們是相當不滿意啦那我們當時很努力的把觀光局變成觀光署就是希望能夠提高格局那做一個更廣闊的思考\n所以我們有個概念就是處處都是打卡點 步步都是觀光部那是不是就觀光署在做這個格局的思考的時候我現在覺得你們可能還是被綁在交通部底下的觀光署裡面\n應該你要跳出來就是說你今天假設是行政院的立場或者是行政院政務委員的立場你來看觀光署應該怎麼發展那該跟各部會跨部會溝通交流的改善的這個該做的要去做要不然你看你的設定的目標去年786萬今年設定的也是\n一千萬對不對挑戰一千萬對我上次不是有講了你看日本是今年是四千萬二零三年是六千萬那到底我們觀光署交通部在這一部分的長遠的思考有沒有去做改變所以我要要求就是說這個部分希望你們可以改變一下思考就是說不要老是在裡面我再舉個例子那個我曾經到那個\n去拜訪,就是你去其他各個代表處去拜訪,其實你會發現說,以印尼來講,印尼、印度、法國、加拿大、菲律賓都在這裡辦事處對不對?你過後到底有過後果嗎?\n那個是遊客中心啦我們是台灣觀光遊客中心最後就是回過頭來看我的786嘛對不對對我們希望雙印的部分能夠設辦事處也就是我們現在目前為止跟外交部怎麼做都是你的戰術策略啦我要看的就是戰略佈局嘛你最後的結果\n你最後的結果坦白講七八六我今天觀光局變成觀光署照理講是提升一個層次是我的要求應該要提高一個層次\n是 我們大概是有兩個部分一個是等於是求職的部分 撐職啦對所以我們希望也能夠高端團的部分能夠吸引他們所以我希望說其實然後另外一個部分當然就是我們希望能夠自由行的部分能夠呈現台灣的門號你怎麼去做我都拭目以待但是我要看的就是說你那個格局有沒有提高來是比如說印尼\n印尼最大的問題其實簽證是個很大的問題是是那你們有沒有想辦法去克服我們一直在跟相關單位在對你懂我意思嗎也就是說我今天要的就是說你今天觀光局變成觀光署我今天786萬是相當的不滿意的那我今天用什麼方式來提高包括我上一次提到的就是你\n美食小吃啊日本的溫泉啊你要怎麼樣製造特色讓人家想來我覺得你想廣一點想高一點然後要跟各部會怎麼樣去跨部會協調\n這個部分我是覺得現在你做的當然我是覺得還不錯啦但是就是說總是那個格局看到的是不夠的是不是請署長能夠提高這個格局去做思考希望說部長就是說在跨部會的部分可以給予觀光署協助這樣我們看我就看到他那個做出來的格局決定結局態度決定高度嘛不然你在觀光署裡面交通部的觀光署裡面怕怕不中你做不大步\n是不是希望說交通部跟公關署這部分可以做不一樣的思考所以下一次我希望看到的就是那個那個目標值啦我希望看到一個更高的戰略目標好不好是 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