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00:01:25,860\n然後因為我也有很多國際友人問我來台灣要玩什麼我們就會推薦他去看去坐台鐵最新的作為鐵道觀光所以部長你知道現在鐵道觀光有多少的觀光列車你覺得狀況好不好目前看起來都還不錯還不錯包含明日號海豐山蘭狀況都還不錯那4月3號那個明日號出軌是怎麼回事出軌的部分我請台鐵來回應所以狀況就是沒事\n\n5\n00:01:26,992 --> 00:01:41,777\n我跟委員報告那一天的出軌主要是我們那個整木整木的部分因為那邊是木整所以管理看到明日後我們就會覺得我們的觀光會受到影響因為觀光客會看新聞會聽會問\n\n6\n00:01:44,719 --> 00:01:57,880\n同樣的部長我現在要跟你探討我跟觀光署跟台鐵調資料我們這些觀光列車從來沒有統計過國內旅客跟國外旅客的區別是嗎\n\n7\n00:01:59,332 --> 00:02:28,295\n你知不知道有多少國外旅客來做相關的有嗎那為什麼你們回覆給我們說沒有咧國內外旅客有沒有區分有我們現在因為有委我們的觀光列車經營模式的委託是EU網那他們也都有統計國外旅客的比例沒有啊你10月25號才回我說沒有統計分沒有國內旅客跟國外旅客的區別這樣子是怎樣就是給我的資料都是錯的沒有我們總共的旅資有的話給我們資料第二個平日\n\n8\n00:02:29,494 --> 00:02:49,111\n才是重點是外國觀光客來坐我們的觀光列車嘛因為國人就是假日去坐了嘛所以平日需要更多的國外觀光客第一你要知道是誰我的朋友從國外過來坐我請他去坐這個觀光列車他跟我講兩個缺點第一個是有部分幾乎沒有外語服務人員\n\n9\n00:02:50,985 --> 00:03:19,184\n這件事情沒有外語服務人員目前為止觀光署台鐵是說這是營運商的問題部長啊這不會是營運商的問題這是你觀光署中華民國交通部我們要提供什麼樣的觀光列車這個不會是廠商的問題好嗎我們應該要讓國外旅客來台灣是我請他們去做結果他跟我說他看不懂中文他沒有任何的外語服務人員這是第一個問題第二個部分就是剛剛看到的就是啊\n\n10\n00:03:20,307 --> 00:03:30,657\n老舊啦我們的車看起來目前為止林日浩將近他都要用兩個車頭來拉是嗎部長知道嗎幾個車頭這個我是不曉得他用兩個車頭來拉為什麼因為他的車頭從33年到45年\n\n11\n00:03:41,823 --> 00:04:07,935\n的年紀都很大了部長我們如果說明日號是台灣最美的觀光列車它是台灣最棒的頂級的旅遊而且我們收費非常的貴但是我們提供的服務我感覺台鐵只是要做資產活化啦它沒有要做真正的頂級觀光啦也就是說這麼舊的東西管理上面我同意拿舊的廢棄物要拿來做\n\n12\n00:04:08,675 --> 00:04:31,876\n我同意但是你可不可以做得好一點包委員我們之後會針對明日號的部分我們會換EMU不是只有明日號你現在所有都是拿舊車來改我們現在會拿E500的這個車頭新的車頭來做是第二個搭乘率剛剛講的搭乘率部長我看到新聞是說平均載客到九成\n\n13\n00:04:32,717 --> 00:04:42,802\n有這麼好嗎你知道現在載客率多少嗎載客率我不清楚但我所知道的是他營運的狀況還不錯還不錯我現在跟你說環島直興載客率30%藍皮節優化60%明日號現在也掉到50%\n\n14\n00:04:48,465 --> 00:05:08,081\n只有一個最新最夯的海豐號大概有九成所以不要拿一個最好的狀況來欺騙交通部啦觀光署我希望觀光列車我們覺得很好鐵道迷都很想來台灣我們也希望他們來台灣看到是台灣優質的服務好的車廂好的服務可是現在看起來就是\n\n15\n00:05:08,982 --> 00:05:36,619\n很舊然後我們做得很漂亮收很貴的錢但是對他們來說會不會想再來要想一下部長如果觀光經濟你現在還要成立什麼觀光研訓院這些東西不是只有去外面做大外宣啊東西不好人家不會再來啦要把職做好是所以我希望就我剛剛問的這幾個問題第一個車頭年限過高第二個搭乘率現在有什麼解救的方法\n\n16\n00:05:37,239 --> 00:05:58,032\n如果假日我知道假日其實一票難求因為國人會去國旅但是我們平日需要大量的國際觀光客這一點看起來目前為止一直在下滑所以你說經營的不錯是沒錯有一些縣不錯有一些縣很不好最重要的是如果還有這種出軌啦拖軌啦然後甚至之前還聽說什麼有\n\n17\n00:05:59,813 --> 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