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00:00:48,706\n那我想我進一步再問說,傷亡數據你有沒有掌握?傷亡數據?對,嚴不嚴重?慢速的?對,慢速運劑黃市長,你這邊有沒有慢速運劑的傷亡?或者是委員那邊有,要不要直接說?好,我們就來看\n\n3\n00:00:51,266 --> 00:01:05,805\n看到這個數據你看光看三年的數據就呈現惡化的趨勢讓人家十分擔憂那整體來看到慢車的交通事故案件傷亡是持續全面的持續成長\n\n4\n00:01:07,166 --> 00:01:35,198\n那腳踏腳踏車大概是成長1.1成6那微電車事實上是1成5那電動輔助車自行車事實上是3年內成長2成7可是我比較近期有一個議題很值得關注的就是我們在問你們滑板車的數據因為我們現在路上就很常看到滑板車那你跟我們講說是放在個人行動運具那如果講說放個人行動運具的話現在也成長了3倍是多那就想問部長說\n\n5\n00:01:36,198 --> 00:01:58,968\n那目前國內的電動滑板車的管理狀況是什麼而且你有沒有掌握而且舉凡行使的入權跟安全規範這些問題不知道部長知不知道我們要不要請市長回答會比較快這個部分跟委員報告一下委員大概也知道說處罰條例上是修正已經把這個個人行動這個載具的部分已經放寬讓各地方政府可以依照它\n\n6\n00:02:00,209 --> 00:02:18,124\n這個各地方政府交通的狀況或路段可以開放的部分去做開放那到目前的話確實也還沒有地方政府在做這個開放交通部應該很清楚現在在國內的那個電動滑板車雖然依法看起來有依法\n\n7\n00:02:18,604 --> 00:02:47,155\n屬於交通規範中的個人行動器具寫是這樣寫定義上是慢車可是可惜的是因為法規跟環境的限制一個是入權很不清楚另外一個就是我們要來問的是因為我去問警政單位因為警政單位也在跟我反映那到底他要用什麼法如果針對這些新型運具的話不知道要適用哪些法規所以想來問部長你認為警察如果遇到我們的電動滑板車違規的話要用\n\n8\n00:02:48,236 --> 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地方政府就覺得中央然後就兩邊就是會互踢皮球所以我說問你69條還是還是32支1條如果你講69條的話那就不知道那電動滑板車規格是什麼這各縣市政府有沒有去訂規格這69條講的說他自己訂規格啊然後行駛的路線是哪些如果你說講32條的話那我就覺得的確現在警方\n的確是用32條之一來開罰可是用32條之一開罰的話那就會講說滑板車他就不是個人行動那個運據囉那如果不是行動運據的話那我們前面講數據你們又說把滑板車的數據史上的數據歸在那個所謂的個人行動運救這我就覺得有點前後史上不太一致\n那當然我也再請部長是針對我們的電動滑板車的管理能不能做一下現在目前的規劃的狀況和進度是什麼我們會出一個指引會出一個指引已經請運營所正在做指引當中有了指引之後地方政府就比較好預許\n部長我覺得今天來看我們來看其他國家因為我認為臺灣的管理措施都還相對的消極因為我們年齡定的最低然後呢數限定的相較於其他國家是比較寬的所以難怪我們的傷亡事實上是一直在成長而且成長到三倍我覺得這不是一個好事尤其剛剛前面那個央軍委員也在講的事實上兒童的交通傷亡事實上是成長了50%所以這件事情應該\n部長應該要去考慮到如果國外有些好的措施為什麼沒有吸取別人的經驗呢那我們再來看歐洲那你剛剛講有指引我就不知道有沒有去對價到歐洲的一個狀況他們也知道電動滑板車事故率很高甚至他們現在有意要全面禁止那甚至他們去看到這種\n事實上是自行車的傷亡的7到10倍的時候他們指引做了些什麼事情呢也就是希望能夠第一個要求戴頭盔然後呢另外一個事實上禁止使用手機甚至提供駕駛訓練甚至明訂車體的規格跟路權都在做可是相對於我們現在目前我不知道說我們做的狀況是什麼我也會參考各國的這些案例跟他們的好的規範您剛剛所提到他們好的規範我們會在6月來出指引目前指引還沒出來我們目前會參考這個來出一個\n是我們再來看一下日本他是透過民間企業合作的方式在特定的區域先去試辦跟評估如果按照成效之後才訂定法規所以最後我就期待專部可不可以針對這兩點也就是積極跟地方政府延伸試辦計畫來啟動調查研究然後\n針對這種新興的一個慢速運劇一定要做因為我們自己去看其他國家像我們去美國他們也越來越多這個那台灣也是那第二就是檢討目前的規範執行跟我們的推動的情形來盡速研擬我們的慢速運劇後續的管理方式所以這個是不是可以兩週內給我相關的報告提供說明這個沒問題好 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