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00:02:40,781\n那我們就會建議他也加入台鐵的這個會員我們針對台鐵的常客的會員尤其是花東縣的部分我們會給更多的折扣也就是說兩個折扣加起來之後會對於居住在花東地區的民眾他們未來在返鄉的過程當中或者是時常要通勤的過程當中可以拿到比較優惠的票價那這個票價跟漲價的這個影響就會降低非常的多那我跟你說還有南迴縣的\n\n9\n00:02:43,062 --> 00:02:52,227\n都會包含在內花東的部分都會包含在內因為您要知道假設我住在恆春很多人不見得會選擇坐高鐵再接過去\n\n10\n00:02:53,890 --> 00:03:16,803\n他滑不來他也是很辛苦的要這樣子繞一大圈所以我請部長那個部分請你們也要研議進去好不好會會會好謝謝部長那另外一個部分我在今天的夜報有看到就是我們一直都很關心偏鄉的交通正義那這個部分有提到幸福巴士行之有年\n\n11\n00:03:17,603 --> 00:03:45,285\n最新的數據呢已經來到說94.37%的一個涵蓋率確實我這幾年看到每一個鄉都很開心只要申請車子就有車子申請郵費就有郵費每一個鄉都很開心做得很好甚至我們117年說全部都要涵蓋到那這個部分我覺得其實很好但是部長我還是要讓您了解一下\n\n12\n00:03:46,306 --> 00:04:01,148\n其實像這種定點定限定時它即便開放可以跨鄉可以跨縣現在越改良越好但是始終有一個部分是大家比較不滿意的就是能不能到我家\n\n13\n00:04:02,438 --> 00:04:22,674\n我要去急診我要去衛生我要從這個村到那個村我要去吃喜酒還是很辛苦還是很多人家裡沒有交通工具他必須要依賴但是外面的Uber他又叫不到因為Uber呢他回頭車他空車很貴他們也不想來\n\n14\n00:04:23,875 --> 00:04:39,907\n所以這個部分我還是希望說我們要繼續的納入來研議要不然呢這樣的一個美意它用不到為德不足啦但是我要講的就是有一個東西我剛進來上一屆立法院第一年\n\n15\n00:04:41,405 --> 00:04:55,257\n我有參與偏鄉白牌車合法化為什麼部長我要參加偏鄉白牌車合法化您要知道在我們的原鄉絕大部分的馬路路線是禁止甲乙類\n\n16\n00:04:56,741 --> 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