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00:01:52,275\n是所以有沒有所以大部分的障礙排除了對是的大部分障礙都排除但是最終經過交通部如果同意的話還是要送到工程會來核定才是最後的這個基本設計核定然後可以進入法保好那這個東西應該是跟財化法是比較不會有關係是的那我們有沒有預計的時程今年有沒有辦法完成至少我們出交通部有沒有辦法設立一個目標如果說地方政府都有配合我們的一些意見的話\n\n6\n00:01:54,339 --> 00:02:17,421\n這個我們盡量來加速來辦理好吧,就是上半年有機會嗎?繼續努力好啦好啦,那至少就您來看應該是沒有什麼太大的問題啦議員一直非常關心這個議題,我們會盡量來加速好,那另外一個就是系統捷運的修正計畫嘛它大概從預算規模從300多億到600多億嘛好,那我們這邊的審核的進度大概怎麼樣?\n\n7\n00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:33,871\n這個現在局裡面還在跟新北市政府捷運局做一些溝通因為主要還是涉及到八堵機場的經費分攤我想我們會再跟他們積極來討論所以最大的問題在於八堵機場的經費分攤那其他的部分有沒有意見比較分歧的地方\n\n8\n00:02:34,908 --> 00:02:59,216\n或者說地方政府認為應該是要納到共同攤體的部分你們認為不需要會有類似的問題會有類似的好那後續可不可以把一些爭議項目整理一下就是地方政府認為應該是中央地方攤的那我們認為應該是地方政府自籌的好那整理一份那我們需要討論的時候再來討論好的我們再跟委員報告好謝謝好謝謝局長好那接下來部長這個我們請教一下這個可能香港局跟港務公司\n\n9\n00:03:01,906 --> 00:03:26,677\n來葉局長李董事長不好意思今天還是要跟三位討論一下就是先前有長榮海運的船員可能跟離職的船員有走私毒品的一個問題當然港務公司港的問題跟機場一樣因為機場裡面有很多單位我們港裡面也有很多的單位包括海關包括警察單位\n\n10\n00:03:28,118 --> 00:03:52,593\n整體的架構不是我們就能夠解決的啦那至少我們在發生這個問題之後我們一般大家都會認為說可能航空系統的管理好像感覺起來都會比港務系統來得嚴謹走私的機會比較高那可能會有一些系統性的問題那不曉得根本上有哪些差異到什麼管理上面可能在強度上面有落差那造成這些走私的問題\n\n11\n00:03:54,080 --> 00:04:16,585\n報告委員您剛剛所說的沒有錯啦不管是港或者是機場它的這個複雜度其實相對是高的啦尤其是港的部分其實船多人多那公司也不少那前一陣子確實有發生這個長榮海運現任跟離職的三個船員走私大麻毒品的這個事件那這個部分其實航港局也在3月25號有召開會議\n\n12\n00:04:18,745 --> 00:04:41,407\n長榮海運也好或者是相關的單位大家一起開會討論啦針對這個改善的方案一定要提出來因為我們現在已經看到問題了嘛那遇到的問題就想辦法去解決讓它以後不要再發生但我們應該是身為一個管理者應該是說我們看到制度上有沒有哪些要調整的地方有沒有我們自己有沒有內部監督至少我們航港局或者是港務公司如果說有\n\n13\n00:04:42,108 --> 00:05:03,693\n我們可以做得更好的話降低這個型案發生的機會我們自我檢討哪些部分可能是未來會去做調整的我請葉局長回答一下報告委員有關這個這個成員進出管制的門哨的這個加強管制的做法我很快跟委員報告我們短期就是必須要由傳東跟傳代他在\n\n14\n00:05:04,853 --> 00:05:28,994\n港公司的這個港區通行證的系統他去進行登錄之後登錄這個船員的身份資料之後這個船員才能夠申請他的通行證如果沒有經過船東跟船代的登錄他是不能自行申請以前可以就對了以前他可以自行申請以前可以自行申請那現在就類似有要找一個保證單位是的才能夠進來是的那這個部分已經在4月8號已經開始實行了\n\n15\n00:05:31,897 --> 00:05:56,722\n是所以就是人員進出的管制更加的嚴格這樣是是是好那還有其他的嗎其他部分就是登船管理的部分我們現在會加強要求那跟委員報告我們現在就是依照這個ISPS我們叫國際船舶港口保全的規定我們現在他在登船前必須這個船方必須要列印有個QRcode\n\n16\n00:05:57,222 --> 00:06:25,203\n那也要把登船的這個人員的名冊要先在我們的QRCode系統要做登錄登船前這個登船人員要掃描QRCode那符合我們登船人員的名冊在名單內他才可以登船所以這個部分我們也建立了機制後續我們航港局在各航務中心都有加強查核的一個做法這部分我們也這都是針對人員嘛那如果港務公司的部分\n\n17\n00:06:27,526 --> 00:06:52,975\n包括那個航港局他有開過會所以我們都配合就是船東船大所以我們就是配合航港局的一個政策那另外一個就是我們請那個港警加強來查細那還有就是對我們港所在的相關的航商什麼我們加強宣導我們所有的人員進出會像機場因為我沒有進去過不好意思會進出會像這個機場一樣每個都有人員的X光機的檢查之類的嗎還是目視檢查\n\n18\n00:06:56,087 --> 00:07:20,698\n港區他是牧市都是牧市那所以車輛進出可能就是檢查這個有沒有違禁品之類的對風行證那就是RFID那實務商為什麼沒有辦法做到像機場這樣子的一個比較嚴格的管制是量太大了嗎還是以前他進出的話是人就是他船員他有那個\n\n19\n00:07:21,238 --> 00:07:30,182\n那現在就是我們多一個保障就是船東船大這些遊船先卡位因為其實像我們這個機場會比較單純是因為我們都是人那我們人的進出就跟這個旅客進出一樣嘛就大家檢查那所有的貨物都有X光機的一個檢查那當然就是雙重的檢驗嘛那我們港務公司不然我們港港局或是說港務系統可能也是要\n\n20\n00:07:46,568 --> 00:08:07,299\n除了人的進出管制之外可能貨物的進出大家看是量能不足的部分可能需要海關那邊增加檢查量能之類等等的我都希望說我們當然發生事情的時候大家第一個部分可能會想到我們交通部但是需要其他單位配合的部分我們也必須要多一跨機關的來請求其他機關的一個協助這樣子啦好不好希望避免類似的案件再發生謝謝部長謝謝各位長官謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9602\t14566\t好謝謝主席喔那一樣我們陳部長陳部長來我們鐵道局楊局長楊局長\n20727\t41645\t部長好 局長好 這個還是跟兩位先確認一下地方的軌道建設的一些進度啦那當然汐止的軌道建設 我們有三個部分嘛那其中一個部分目前正在由地方政府正在修正計畫那就是這個台北市民生段嘛 這個我們就先不提那另外應該有兩個部分在我們的交通部啦應該沒錯 一個是基隆捷運的基本設計另外一個是汐東縣的修正計畫\n43547\t68535\t那這兩個部分我知道當然行政院對於補助軌道建設的比例的部分可能會因為財化法去做一些調整但是這個金額的部分我們先不提啦我們就是先就專業審核的部分我們總之是專業審核了之後那補助的比例之後才是由行政院來定嘛那在專業審核的部分這兩條基隆捷運的基本設計以及這個西隆捷運的修正計畫不曉得我們這邊的審議的進度怎麼樣我是不是請局長\n74849\t83987\t跟委員報告基隆捷運的基本設計經過我們跟新北市政府做過兩三輪的溝通現在已經初步有一些梳理大概往程序在進行當中\n84744\t112275\t是 所以有沒有所以大部分的障礙排除了對 是的 大部分障礙都排除但是最終經過交通部如果同意的話還是要送到工程會來核定才是最後的這個基本設計核定然後可以進入法保好 那這個東西應該是跟財化法是比較不會有關係 是的那我們有沒有預計的時程今年有沒有辦法完成至少我們出交通部有沒有辦法設立一個目標如果說地方政府都有配合我們的一些意見的話\n114339\t137421\t這個我們盡量來加速來辦理好吧,就是上半年有機會嗎?繼續努力好啦好啦,那至少就您來看應該是沒有什麼太大的問題啦議員一直非常關心這個議題,我們會盡量來加速好,那另外一個就是系統捷運的修正計畫嘛它大概從預算規模從300多億到600多億嘛好,那我們這邊的審核的進度大概怎麼樣?\n138360\t153871\t這個現在局裡面還在跟新北市政府捷運局做一些溝通因為主要還是涉及到八堵機場的經費分攤我想我們會再跟他們積極來討論所以最大的問題在於八堵機場的經費分攤那其他的部分有沒有意見比較分歧的地方\n154908\t179216\t或者說地方政府認為應該是要納到共同攤體的部分你們認為不需要會有類似的問題會有類似的好那後續可不可以把一些爭議項目整理一下就是地方政府認為應該是中央地方攤的那我們認為應該是地方政府自籌的好那整理一份那我們需要討論的時候再來討論好的我們再跟委員報告好謝謝好謝謝局長好那接下來部長這個我們請教一下這個可能香港局跟港務公司\n181906\t206677\t來 葉局長 李董事長不好意思 今天還是要跟三位討論一下就是先前有長榮海運的船員可能跟離職的船員有走私毒品的一個問題當然港務公司港的問題跟機場一樣因為機場裡面有很多單位我們港裡面也有很多的單位包括海關 包括警察單位\n208118\t232593\t整體的架構不是我們就能夠解決的啦那至少我們在發生這個問題之後我們一般大家都會認為說可能航空系統的管理好像感覺起來都會比港務系統來得嚴謹走私的機會比較高那可能會有一些系統性的問題那不曉得根本上有哪些差異到什麼管理上面可能在強度上面有落差那造成這些走私的問題\n234080\t256585\t報告委員您剛剛所說的沒有錯啦不管是港或者是機場它的這個複雜度其實相對是高的啦尤其是港的部分其實船多人多那公司也不少那前一陣子確實有發生這個長榮海運現任跟離職的三個船員走私大麻毒品的這個事件那這個部分其實航港局也在3月25號有召開會議\n258745\t281407\t長榮海運也好或者是相關的單位大家一起開會討論啦針對這個改善的方案一定要提出來因為我們現在已經看到問題了嘛那遇到的問題就想辦法去解決讓它以後不要再發生但我們應該是身為一個管理者應該是說我們看到制度上有沒有哪些要調整的地方有沒有我們自己有沒有內部監督至少我們航港局或者是港務公司如果說有\n282108\t303693\t我們可以做得更好的話降低這個型案發生的機會我們自我檢討哪些部分可能是未來會去做調整的我請葉局長回答一下報告委員有關這個這個成員進出管制的門哨的這個加強管制的做法我很快跟委員報告我們短期就是必須要由傳東跟傳代他在\n304853\t328994\t港公司的這個港區通行證的系統他去進行登錄之後登錄這個船員的身份資料之後這個船員才能夠申請他的通行證如果沒有經過船東跟船代的登錄他是不能自行申請以前可以就對了以前他可以自行申請以前可以自行申請那現在就類似有要找一個保證單位是的才能夠進來是的那這個部分已經在4月8號已經開始實行了\n331897\t356722\t是所以就是人員進出的管制更加的嚴格這樣是是是好那還有其他的嗎其他部分就是登船管理的部分我們現在會加強要求那跟委員報告我們現在就是依照這個ISPS我們叫國際船舶港口保全的規定我們現在他在登船前必須這個船方必須要列印有個QR code\n357222\t385203\t那也要把登船的這個人員的名冊要先在我們的QR Code系統要做登錄登船前這個登船人員要掃描QR Code那符合我們登船人員的名冊在名單內他才可以登船所以這個部分我們也建立了機制後續我們航港局在各航務中心都有加強查核的一個做法這部分我們也這都是針對人員嘛那如果港務公司的部分\n387526\t412975\t包括那個航港局他有開過會所以我們都配合就是船東船大所以我們就是配合航港局的一個政策那另外一個就是我們請那個港警加強來查細那還有就是對我們港所在的相關的航商什麼我們加強宣導我們所有的人員進出會像機場因為我沒有進去過不好意思會進出會像這個機場一樣每個都有人員的X光機的檢查之類的嗎還是目視檢查\n416087\t440698\t港區 他是牧市 都是牧市那所以車輛進出可能就是檢查這個有沒有違禁品之類的對 風行證那就是RFID那實務商為什麼沒有辦法做到像機場這樣子的一個比較嚴格的管制 是量太大了嗎還是以前他進出的話是人 就是他船員他有那個\n441238\t450182\t那現在就是我們多一個保障就是船東船大這些遊船先卡位因為其實像我們這個機場會比較單純是因為我們都是人那我們人的進出就跟這個旅客進出一樣嘛就大家檢查那所有的貨物都有X光機的一個檢查那當然就是雙重的檢驗嘛那我們港務公司不然我們港港局或是說港務系統可能也是要\n466568\t487299\t除了人的進出管制之外可能貨物的進出大家看是量能不足的部分可能需要海關那邊增加檢查量能之類等等的我都希望說我們當然發生事情的時候大家第一個部分可能會想到我們交通部但是需要其他單位配合的部分我們也必須要多一跨機關的來請求其他機關的一個協助這樣子啦好不好希望避免類似的案件再發生謝謝部長謝謝各位長官謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席喔那一樣我們陳部長陳部長來我們鐵道局楊局長楊局長\n部長好 局長好 這個還是跟兩位先確認一下地方的軌道建設的一些進度啦那當然汐止的軌道建設 我們有三個部分嘛那其中一個部分目前正在由地方政府正在修正計畫那就是這個台北市民生段嘛 這個我們就先不提那另外應該有兩個部分在我們的交通部啦應該沒錯 一個是基隆捷運的基本設計另外一個是汐東縣的修正計畫\n那這兩個部分我知道當然行政院對於補助軌道建設的比例的部分可能會因為財化法去做一些調整但是這個金額的部分我們先不提啦我們就是先就專業審核的部分我們總之是專業審核了之後那補助的比例之後才是由行政院來定嘛那在專業審核的部分這兩條基隆捷運的基本設計以及這個西隆捷運的修正計畫不曉得我們這邊的審議的進度怎麼樣我是不是請局長\n跟委員報告基隆捷運的基本設計經過我們跟新北市政府做過兩三輪的溝通現在已經初步有一些梳理大概往程序在進行當中\n是 所以有沒有所以大部分的障礙排除了對 是的 大部分障礙都排除但是最終經過交通部如果同意的話還是要送到工程會來核定才是最後的這個基本設計核定然後可以進入法保好 那這個東西應該是跟財化法是比較不會有關係 是的那我們有沒有預計的時程今年有沒有辦法完成至少我們出交通部有沒有辦法設立一個目標如果說地方政府都有配合我們的一些意見的話\n這個我們盡量來加速來辦理好吧,就是上半年有機會嗎?繼續努力好啦好啦,那至少就您來看應該是沒有什麼太大的問題啦議員一直非常關心這個議題,我們會盡量來加速好,那另外一個就是系統捷運的修正計畫嘛它大概從預算規模從300多億到600多億嘛好,那我們這邊的審核的進度大概怎麼樣?\n這個現在局裡面還在跟新北市政府捷運局做一些溝通因為主要還是涉及到八堵機場的經費分攤我想我們會再跟他們積極來討論所以最大的問題在於八堵機場的經費分攤那其他的部分有沒有意見比較分歧的地方\n或者說地方政府認為應該是要納到共同攤體的部分你們認為不需要會有類似的問題會有類似的好那後續可不可以把一些爭議項目整理一下就是地方政府認為應該是中央地方攤的那我們認為應該是地方政府自籌的好那整理一份那我們需要討論的時候再來討論好的我們再跟委員報告好謝謝好謝謝局長好那接下來部長這個我們請教一下這個可能香港局跟港務公司\n來 葉局長 李董事長不好意思 今天還是要跟三位討論一下就是先前有長榮海運的船員可能跟離職的船員有走私毒品的一個問題當然港務公司港的問題跟機場一樣因為機場裡面有很多單位我們港裡面也有很多的單位包括海關 包括警察單位\n整體的架構不是我們就能夠解決的啦那至少我們在發生這個問題之後我們一般大家都會認為說可能航空系統的管理好像感覺起來都會比港務系統來得嚴謹走私的機會比較高那可能會有一些系統性的問題那不曉得根本上有哪些差異到什麼管理上面可能在強度上面有落差那造成這些走私的問題\n報告委員您剛剛所說的沒有錯啦不管是港或者是機場它的這個複雜度其實相對是高的啦尤其是港的部分其實船多人多那公司也不少那前一陣子確實有發生這個長榮海運現任跟離職的三個船員走私大麻毒品的這個事件那這個部分其實航港局也在3月25號有召開會議\n長榮海運也好或者是相關的單位大家一起開會討論啦針對這個改善的方案一定要提出來因為我們現在已經看到問題了嘛那遇到的問題就想辦法去解決讓它以後不要再發生但我們應該是身為一個管理者應該是說我們看到制度上有沒有哪些要調整的地方有沒有我們自己有沒有內部監督至少我們航港局或者是港務公司如果說有\n我們可以做得更好的話降低這個型案發生的機會我們自我檢討哪些部分可能是未來會去做調整的我請葉局長回答一下報告委員有關這個這個成員進出管制的門哨的這個加強管制的做法我很快跟委員報告我們短期就是必須要由傳東跟傳代他在\n港公司的這個港區通行證的系統他去進行登錄之後登錄這個船員的身份資料之後這個船員才能夠申請他的通行證如果沒有經過船東跟船代的登錄他是不能自行申請以前可以就對了以前他可以自行申請以前可以自行申請那現在就類似有要找一個保證單位是的才能夠進來是的那這個部分已經在4月8號已經開始實行了\n是所以就是人員進出的管制更加的嚴格這樣是是是好那還有其他的嗎其他部分就是登船管理的部分我們現在會加強要求那跟委員報告我們現在就是依照這個ISPS我們叫國際船舶港口保全的規定我們現在他在登船前必須這個船方必須要列印有個QR code\n那也要把登船的這個人員的名冊要先在我們的QR Code系統要做登錄登船前這個登船人員要掃描QR 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