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00:02:45,518\n然後呢這個海洋科學及資訊研究中心也一樣是在做這個科研的部分那當然更不要說後面的船舶暨海洋的研發中心就是造船的還有最重要目前其實大部分的這個國研院的海洋科技研究中心其實也都有相關的跟目前我們在做的不管是實驗室船舶的相關的研究\n\n8\n00:02:48,480 --> 00:03:14,731\n或者是船隊的研發其實都是相關的那未來你這一些工作要怎麼區分因為我想這個東西是跟我們未來的人才調度工作重複等等都是有關係的副主委你這邊怎麼回答那個國海院剛剛委員這邊有提到的國海院有幾個研究中心那國海院本身它是一個任務政策任務型的這樣子的一個研究的單位\n\n9\n00:03:15,291 --> 00:03:28,003\n那他主要任務還是要協助海洋委員會因為海洋委員會是統籌協調整理整理的海洋政策我們先我們一個人只有五分鐘六分鐘所以你可不可以稍微我在問的是你的權責會來會怎麼區分\n\n10\n00:03:30,285 --> 00:03:52,885\n好謝謝那簡單報告就是國海院本身剛剛提到的研究中心呢他比較是隸屬於海委會然後接受海委會的一個所隸屬然後做的一些比較政策型的任務型的這樣子的一個研究調查那另外呢在這個目前的這個海洋科技營運中心這個設置條例呢他重點在調查船\n\n11\n00:03:53,405 --> 00:04:13,821\n跟這個船模實驗室的營運的部分那另外剛剛提到像那個國科會這個國師院底下的這個海洋科技的這個中心呢他比較是跟學術研究就是國學術研究然後這些需求比較是個案性的所以這個權責上是可以做區隔的有些是比較政策\n\n12\n00:04:14,522 --> 00:04:28,679\n位階稍微高一點的然後有些是個案執行面的那我們的設置今天的這個草案是主要是for船模實驗室跟這個調查船當然也會受這個監督單位跟督導單位的一些指示來辦理相關的\n\n13\n00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:56,110\n其實我覺得沒有非常的清楚啦不過我大概可以了解我舉個例子來講的話過去這個經濟部加交通部合資成立的這個財團法人船舶暨海洋研發中心我們看到他的業務就是有船舶工程規劃工程設計這就是跟國建國造是有關係的嘛那你這個國研院下面這個國研院國科會的國研院台灣海洋科技研究中心是目前唯一有的這個科管管科研船的單位\n\n14\n00:04:58,431 --> 00:05:10,798\n所以我本來要問的是說那現在我們新的單位出來了你的權責怎麼分因為這個權責我覺得會涉及到工作有沒有重複會不會有同職競爭甚至是統籌協調將來是誰在上面誰在下面不過你剛剛的意思應該是說未來這些現有的單位都會繼續做但他們只做政策研究的部分至於實際上的船\n\n15\n00:05:21,704 --> 00:05:32,334\n怎麼做造船的部分把船蓋出來從研究到製造還有未來的經營就會都是我們這個新的今天的營運中心的工作所以您認為這個是很可以區分的對嗎是這個意思\n\n16\n00:05:36,718 --> 00:06:00,385\n我們要用白話文因為我們的質詢其實很多民眾會看他才會理解為什麼國家在現在本來已經有研究海研究船了還要再加一個單位好那我們希望如果可以這樣的話是增強我們的國際實力船舶研究但最重要的我覺得是人才流用的這部分因為我們可以看到過去其實有很多國機國造國艦國造因為是單項計劃計劃結束以後錢就不夠了沒有錢不夠經費以後這些人才因為做過案子\n\n17\n00:06:07,047 --> 00:06:32,671\n訓練好了結果沒有後續的案子之後反而人才會流到國家去這個經國號戰機就是一個最明顯的例子嘛所以我反而是希望貴會委會可以向行政院爭取更多的計畫經費預算讓我們這個行政中心既然已經做了就要把它做好而且可以長久的用不然我看你們的預算其實比之前現有的單位都還要少啊\n\n18\n00:06:34,134 --> 00:07:02,866\n就是未來我們在規劃包括人力的需求上面我們現在其實都有在編估還有人才的職能的訓練內涵也都已經國海院都已經做了相關的一些的設施對啊因為我看你才爭取3點多億結果其他的單位加一加都比你現在爭取的還要多啊因為我們現在在蓋那個船舶實驗室跟電腦船你就說你會爭取啦我也會幫忙啦對不對我都已經在幫你爭取預算了你還沒有推啊還沒有接求這就實在是你看院長笑成這樣\n\n19\n00:07:04,667 --> 00:07:14,675\n好啦那因為時間的關係我們可以繼續討論那希望這個中心呢可以發展起來對台灣的科研對傳播研究人才流用是好的謝謝謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8561\t13003\t好 謝謝主席 那我們就請吳政次好 吳政傅委員早好 市長早 副主委好我想要詢問的這今天我們既然是在審查這個國家海洋科技營運中心的設置條例所以我想我們就是應該來搞清楚 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謝謝那簡單報告就是國海院本身剛剛提到的研究中心呢他比較是隸屬於海委會然後接受海委會的一個所隸屬然後做的一些比較政策型的任務型的這樣子的一個研究調查那另外呢在這個目前的這個海洋科技營運中心這個設置條例呢他重點在調查船\n233405\t253821\t跟這個船模實驗室的營運的部分那另外剛剛提到像那個國科會這個國師院底下的這個海洋科技的這個中心呢他比較是跟學術研究就是國學術研究然後這些需求比較是個案性的所以這個權責上是可以做區隔的有些是比較政策\n254522\t268679\t位階稍微高一點的然後有些是個案執行面的那我們的設置今天的這個草案是主要是for船模實驗室跟這個調查船當然也會受這個監督單位跟督導單位的一些指示來辦理相關的\n269480\t296110\t其實我覺得沒有非常的清楚啦不過我大概可以了解我舉個例子來講的話過去這個經濟部加交通部合資成立的這個財團法人船舶暨海洋研發中心我們看到他的業務就是有船舶工程規劃工程設計這就是跟國建國造是有關係的嘛那你這個國研院下面這個國研院國科會的國研院台灣海洋科技研究中心是目前唯一有的這個科管管科研船的單位\n298431\t310798\t所以我本來要問的是說那現在我們新的單位出來了你的權責怎麼分因為這個權責我覺得會涉及到工作有沒有重複會不會有同職競爭甚至是統籌協調將來是誰在上面誰在下面不過你剛剛的意思應該是說未來這些現有的單位都會繼續做但他們只做政策研究的部分至於實際上的船\n321704\t332334\t怎麼做 造船的部分 把船蓋出來從研究到製造 還有未來的經營就會都是我們這個新的今天的營運中心的工作所以您認為這個是很可以區分的 對嗎是這個意思\n336718\t360385\t我們要用白話文因為我們的質詢其實很多民眾會看他才會理解為什麼國家在現在本來已經有研究海研究船了還要再加一個單位好那我們希望如果可以這樣的話是增強我們的國際實力船舶研究但最重要的我覺得是人才流用的這部分因為我們可以看到過去其實有很多國機國造國艦國造因為是單項計劃計劃結束以後錢就不夠了沒有錢不夠經費以後這些人才因為做過案子\n367047\t392671\t訓練好了 結果沒有後續的案子之後反而人才會流到國家去這個經國號戰機就是一個最明顯的例子嘛所以我反而是希望貴會 委會可以向行政院爭取更多的計畫 經費 預算讓我們這個行政中心 既然已經做了就要把它做好 而且可以長久的用不然我看你們的預算其實比之前現有的單位都還要少啊\n394134\t422866\t就是未來我們在規劃包括人力的需求上面我們現在其實都有在編估還有人才的職能的訓練內涵也都已經 國海院都已經做了相關的一些的設施對啊 因為我看你才爭取3點多億結果其他的單位加一加都比你現在爭取的還要多啊因為我們現在在蓋那個船舶實驗室跟電腦船你就說你會爭取啦 我也會幫忙啦 對不對我都已經在幫你爭取預算了你還沒有推啊 還沒有接求這就實在是 你看院長笑成這樣\n424667\t434675\t好啦那因為時間的關係我們可以繼續討論那希望這個中心呢可以發展起來對台灣的科研對傳播研究人才流用是好的謝謝謝謝委員\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 那我們就請吳政次好 吳政傅委員早好 市長早 副主委好我想要詢問的這今天我們既然是在審查這個國家海洋科技營運中心的設置條例所以我想我們就是應該來搞清楚 講清楚\n未來我們到底設置的這個中心這個行政法人到底可以擔任什麼樣的業務然後他能夠帶來什麼樣的效應所以我們才會同意按照這個方式也按照行政院版的這個草案那我們來進行這個設置條例嘛對不對所以副主委那第一件第一個的話就請你說明一下那我們未來這個中心最重要的三大核心業務或者是還有其他的核心業務是什麼\n國家海洋科技營運中心設置它的業務範疇在剛剛的口頭報告我們有進行重點的一個說明就是一個船模實驗室的營運管理然後海洋調查船的營運管理\n那另外有一個是科技專業人才的協助培育因為這個人才是專業性的所以他將來怎麼留任啊什麼都非常的重要所以簡單講這一個行政中心這個行政法人啦這個營運中心未來設置之後最簡單的講法就是我們要把台灣的船舶研究方式留在台灣所以第一我們設置一個自己的研究實驗室\n第二因為我們造了很多自己的船所以我們有船隊所以我們也用這個營運中心來做經營嘛有實驗室有船隊然後當然有人才所以我們留住人才這就是三大的我們的目標好可是我現在看草案的第三條這個中心的業務範圍其實這麼多項裡面您剛剛講的這個主要是包含在第二項跟第三項當中可是你再繼續看\n這些項目跟現在國家既有的一些行政機關其實業務上是重疊的我做了一些搜尋我可以看到現在的相關研究單位裡面有國海院的海洋產業及工程研究中心它就是跟實驗室有類似的\n然後呢這個海洋科學及資訊研究中心也一樣是在做這個科研的部分那當然更不要說後面的船舶暨海洋的研發中心就是造船的還有最重要目前其實大部分的這個國研院的海洋科技研究中心其實也都有相關的跟目前我們在做的不管是實驗室船舶的相關的研究\n或者是船隊的研發其實都是相關的那未來你這一些工作要怎麼區分因為我想這個東西是跟我們未來的人才調度工作重複等等都是有關係的副主委你這邊怎麼回答那個國海院剛剛委員這邊有提到的國海院有幾個研究中心那國海院本身它是一個任務政策任務型的這樣子的一個研究的單位\n那他主要任務還是要協助海洋委員會因為海洋委員會是統籌協調整理整理的海洋政策我們先我們一個人只有五分鐘六分鐘所以你可不可以稍微我在問的是你的權責會來會怎麼區分\n好 謝謝那簡單報告就是國海院本身剛剛提到的研究中心呢他比較是隸屬於海委會然後接受海委會的一個所隸屬然後做的一些比較政策型的任務型的這樣子的一個研究調查那另外呢在這個目前的這個海洋科技營運中心這個設置條例呢他重點在調查船\n跟這個船模實驗室的營運的部分那另外剛剛提到像那個國科會這個國師院底下的這個海洋科技的這個中心呢他比較是跟學術研究就是國學術研究然後這些需求比較是個案性的所以這個權責上是可以做區隔的有些是比較政策\n位階稍微高一點的然後有些是個案執行面的那我們的設置今天的這個草案是主要是for船模實驗室跟這個調查船當然也會受這個監督單位跟督導單位的一些指示來辦理相關的\n其實我覺得沒有非常的清楚啦不過我大概可以了解我舉個例子來講的話過去這個經濟部加交通部合資成立的這個財團法人船舶暨海洋研發中心我們看到他的業務就是有船舶工程規劃工程設計這就是跟國建國造是有關係的嘛那你這個國研院下面這個國研院國科會的國研院台灣海洋科技研究中心是目前唯一有的這個科管管科研船的單位\n所以我本來要問的是說那現在我們新的單位出來了你的權責怎麼分因為這個權責我覺得會涉及到工作有沒有重複會不會有同職競爭甚至是統籌協調將來是誰在上面誰在下面不過你剛剛的意思應該是說未來這些現有的單位都會繼續做但他們只做政策研究的部分至於實際上的船\n怎麼做 造船的部分 把船蓋出來從研究到製造 還有未來的經營就會都是我們這個新的今天的營運中心的工作所以您認為這個是很可以區分的 對嗎是這個意思\n我們要用白話文因為我們的質詢其實很多民眾會看他才會理解為什麼國家在現在本來已經有研究海研究船了還要再加一個單位好那我們希望如果可以這樣的話是增強我們的國際實力船舶研究但最重要的我覺得是人才流用的這部分因為我們可以看到過去其實有很多國機國造國艦國造因為是單項計劃計劃結束以後錢就不夠了沒有錢不夠經費以後這些人才因為做過案子\n訓練好了 結果沒有後續的案子之後反而人才會流到國家去這個經國號戰機就是一個最明顯的例子嘛所以我反而是希望貴會 委會可以向行政院爭取更多的計畫 經費 預算讓我們這個行政中心 既然已經做了就要把它做好 而且可以長久的用不然我看你們的預算其實比之前現有的單位都還要少啊\n就是未來我們在規劃包括人力的需求上面我們現在其實都有在編估還有人才的職能的訓練內涵也都已經 國海院都已經做了相關的一些的設施對啊 因為我看你才爭取3點多億結果其他的單位加一加都比你現在爭取的還要多啊因為我們現在在蓋那個船舶實驗室跟電腦船你就說你會爭取啦 我也會幫忙啦 對不對我都已經在幫你爭取預算了你還沒有推啊 還沒有接求這就實在是 你看院長笑成這樣\n好啦那因為時間的關係我們可以繼續討論那希望這個中心呢可以發展起來對台灣的科研對傳播研究人才流用是好的謝謝謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.561 --> 00:13.003\n好謝謝主席那我們就請吳政次好吳政傅委員早好市長早副主委好我想要詢問的這今天我們既然是在審查這個國家海洋科技營運中心的設置條例所以我想我們就是應該來搞清楚講清楚\n\n00:31.992 --> 00:59.168\n未來我們到底設置的這個中心這個行政法人到底可以擔任什麼樣的業務然後他能夠帶來什麼樣的效應所以我們才會同意按照這個方式也按照行政院版的這個草案那我們來進行這個設置條例嘛對不對所以副主委那第一件第一個的話就請你說明一下那我們未來這個中心最重要的三大核心業務或者是還有其他的核心業務是什麼\n\n01:02.656 --> 01:13.324\n國家海洋科技營運中心設置它的業務範疇在剛剛的口頭報告我們有進行重點的一個說明就是一個船模實驗室的營運管理然後海洋調查船的營運管理\n\n01:18.447 --> 01:40.516\n那另外有一個是科技專業人才的協助培育因為這個人才是專業性的所以他將來怎麼留任啊什麼都非常的重要所以簡單講這一個行政中心這個行政法人啦這個營運中心未來設置之後最簡單的講法就是我們要把台灣的船舶研究方式留在台灣所以第一我們設置一個自己的研究實驗室\n\n01:41.716 --> 01:49.238\n第二因為我們造了很多自己的船所以我們有船隊所以我們也用這個營運中心來做經營嘛有實驗室有船隊然後當然有人才所以我們留住人才這就是三大的我們的目標好可是我現在看草案的第三條這個中心的業務範圍其實這麼多項裡面您剛剛講的這個主要是包含在第二項跟第三項當中可是你再繼續看\n\n02:07.603 --> 02:23.584\n這些項目跟現在國家既有的一些行政機關其實業務上是重疊的我做了一些搜尋我可以看到現在的相關研究單位裡面有國海院的海洋產業及工程研究中心它就是跟實驗室有類似的\n\n02:24.065 --> 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