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00:01:36,719\n郭委員報告今天的這個設置中心條例事實上我們就是針對全海域基礎調查船我們現在國海院有三艘全海域基礎調查船有三艘正在建造中那100噸跟300噸的在115年可以完工那另外有一個4000噸的這個是目前最大的這種調查船會在118年完工\n\n6\n00:01:37,875 --> 00:01:48,962\n好那如果這些船完工之後是不是就真的可以做到剛剛這麼多專家學者所呼籲的海洋基礎調查研究資料不是只有在有海水取樣你們目前給他的規劃分工\n\n7\n00:01:50,174 --> 00:02:11,674\n為了這個調查船的這個建造事實上就是為了擴大這整個全海域的一個基礎的資料調查好那如果是這樣其實我其實還有想到關於人才的問題其實喬惠委員剛剛有提到因為法人的優勢就是他在禁用人才的彈性跟相關的營運上相對於公務機關是好的那目前你們在這邊的規劃方向可不可以跟我們簡單說明一下\n\n8\n00:02:13,314 --> 00:02:40,875\n我們未來會爭取大概這個中心希望有100個元額的這樣子的一個設置那裡面當然是專業的人力的部分會大概達到79人這個從船模的製造設計等等操演等等還有調查船的這個關鍵的幹部還有這些探測的幹部等等這個是人力的配置上面我們目前已經有所規劃\n\n9\n00:02:41,656 --> 00:03:09,207\n好所以100個人裡面會有79人是做你剛剛所說的這些專業的工作但是我不確定你們目前相關的薪資等級規劃事實上在教育化委會之前就談過台灣在高等研究機構其實給的薪資相較於亞洲其他國家其實是低的所以就導致於台灣非常難留住這些高階的技術人才高階的專業人才我不知道在這個議題上你們有沒有相關的研究就是在留才的薪資彈性上\n\n10\n00:03:10,885 --> 00:03:32,719\n那個國海院院長來說明一下因為我覺得薪資夠好其實才是最務實的啦謝謝委員那目前我們大概目前大概預估大概如果說能夠順利明年15年8月營運的話那主要的一些主要裡面的一個算是營業處裡面的同仁的話那大概就是會有\n\n11\n00:03:33,379 --> 00:03:34,340\n聽起來其實還是沒有太回答我很務實的問題啦\n\n12\n00:03:49,434 --> 00:04:16,260\n我要講的就是這些高階研究技術人才他們之所以願意留在台灣除了是自己的家鄉他有愛台灣的心之外如果相關的福利跟薪水給得不夠好或是相關他們的敘心的等級其實他們沒有什麼動力但是根據你剛剛的回答我覺得看起來其實還沒有回應到我們的問題但我們今天有時間有限就麻煩你們會後提供給我們你們相關人才還有新等的資料我們看一看可不可以為這些願意留下來貢獻台灣\n\n13\n00:04:18,121 --> 00:04:41,782\n貢獻給台灣自己專業的人才更好的薪資福利好不好會後提供資料給我們好謝謝喔那我們接下來談另外一個事情運動部成立在即我之前就有問過關於海委會一個問題我說運動部要成立那目前台灣是一個海洋國家而且台灣確實有非常興盛的水域運動可是也因為水域運動非常興盛相關的水域事故其實很多\n\n14\n00:04:42,242 --> 00:05:10,521\n但必须老实的说台湾在相关水域运动事故相关的保险相关的证照相关的监管上过去体育署认为不是他们的业务他们就推给了海委会可是对于海委会来说可能也不认同这是你们的业务所以当时我就发文请教你们你们给我的回复非常诚实你们说运动部在筹备的过程当中没有邀请海委会参与可是海委会自己勇于认识你们说面对全民运动政策的制定\n\n15\n00:05:11,081 --> 00:05:25,105\n在水域運動上海委會可以並且願意成為運動部在成立過程當中行政治理的關鍵助力這個部分我可不可以請你正面再回覆你們是目前為止依然是這樣的態度嗎就是願意積極協助運動部\n\n16\n00:05:27,206 --> 00:05:39,732\n報告委員答案是確實是的這個也是海委會的職責我想這個部分我們希望你們跨部會進行討論這個部分不知道你們有沒有機會壓一個時間還是說你覺得由我們辦公室來共同召開兩個部會的跨部會討論是比較適合的\n\n17\n00:05:44,927 --> 00:06:11,990\n這個我們可以尊重委員這邊如果跨部會先討論一下後續海委會再做一個更深入的一些的協調也是一個可行的方式好那這個部分就我們辦公室來召開跨部會的討論好不好因為水域運動這件事情他不管是證照保險相關檢理政策確實需要海委會過去的非常多的資料進行水域事故細節的調查跟討論讓運動部做一個非常重要在制定政策法規資源非常重要的依據所以我們會召開跨部會討論\n\n18\n00:06:12,771 --> 00:06:20,830\n好以上這邊先謝謝你們接下來我要請袁總跟全序部主席主席主席給我們解一分鐘就好\n\n19\n00:06:21,877 --> 00:06:48,447\n好謝謝主席看你愛蒙老鼓好來謝謝主席來人寵跟全序部勞動節要到了不要緊張我們要問勞動節公務員放假不要緊張我們來看你們的法規因為我知道勞動節公務員放假行政院這邊有在努力可是我要講我們有非常多公務人員他們家裡都有六歲以下的幼兒可是一旦遇到勞動節放假這件事情他們的小孩就不知道要去哪裡這個現象其實你們一直都知道對不對目前有希望怎麼解決嗎\n\n20\n00:06:49,667 --> 00:07:13,079\n這個部分在公務員請假你們會說你們有家庭照顧假嘛叫他拿他那七天的家庭照顧假來放掉其他其中一天對不對因為我們必須還是要回還是要照現行的那個那個請假規則沒錯沒錯好我們來看你們現行的請假規則就是這個你們說醫師要請試假給七天家庭照顧假有七天如果他要請幼兒照顧假就請他用原來的家庭照顧假七減一\n\n21\n00:07:13,939 --> 00:07:42,762\n他就只剩下六天的家庭照顧假那在性工法裡面的勞動節不需要上班所以照顧小孩也不需要另外請假我知道你們其實在相關修法討論其實全序部跟人總各有各自的負責人總負責政策全序部負責法務法務的制定但是我想要問可是在你們今年下一張在你們今年四月剛剛公佈的公務人員請假規則裡面你們把幼兒照顧假條款拿掉了可是在去年的版本裡面卻有幼兒照顧假\n\n22\n00:07:43,823 --> 00:08:09,219\n那今年為什麼拿掉我不知道可能是因為行政院已經在討論公務員可不可以在勞動節放假所以你們這邊就先拿掉了我猜測是這樣我認為你們不是惡意為之我認為是因為我在討論好所以下一張所以這邊我可不可以積極的拜託公務員請假規則修正我們辦公室的建議是這樣可不可以在公務人員請假規則正式納入幼兒照顧假的概念有沒有機會做這個討論\n\n23\n00:08:10,731 --> 00:08:31,611\n跟委員報告因為目前請假規則就是還在廣納就是收集意見的階段所以各機關的意見還有委員這邊提的意見我們都會帶回去做一個通盤考慮好你剛剛已經說了都還在廣收意見那我的意見應該也是其中一部分意見那就拜託你們納入討論因為對於公務人員來說我們建立一個友善的生育職場從公務機關開始我認為是一個非常正面\n\n24\n00:08:35,214 --> 00:09:01,905\n的範例所以呢這邊我們辦公室會積極的在追蹤這個題目我再說一次對於公務系統裡面在因為跟勞動相關法規休假造成的育兒上的差異其實很多公務員已經抱怨很久了如果我們真的希望留下更多優秀的公務員在這件事情上我認為政府帶頭示範是非常非常的重要所以各自的政策各自的法規那任總這邊可不可以說一下你們的立場\n\n25\n00:09:03,322 --> 00:09:27,648\n他的立場我很清楚了全序部說廣受意見討論中那任總這邊的態度呢因為目前也跟委員報告因為還沒有有意見還沒有出來那等出來的時候我想委員的意見我們都會在那個會上來仔細來討論那你個人是支持的嗎因為這是委員會沒有個人的問題好啦但是我認為廣大意見討論真的非常重要而且我希望往這個正向方向移動好不好謝謝謝謝主席謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2585\t10426\t好 謝謝主席那第一趴先請海委會我們吳政府好 謝謝\n12967\t32904\t好副主委早我其實要問的跟巧惠委員也差不多不過呢事實上我們之前在教文的時候已經跟國科會討論過了那國科會也說在這個部分他們確實會努力跟上不過在去年的幾個大型颱風之後呢其實就有台灣自己在地的學者專家有提出很嚴正的關於這個\n34986\t60754\t海洋的研究這個資料給你看一下來下一張這個是成大地科系的劉老師他在第二段這邊他有說海委會所轄海巡署的單位服役中的船艦從大型巡防艦到小型巡邏艇有181艘可是卻沒有任何一艘可以執行固定的持續穩定收集周遭海域海洋基礎調查資料的海洋研究船只能取海水撈樣那也就是說\n63055\t72044\t他們認為自取海洋國家的台灣在海洋治理上沒有獲取所需關鍵資料的必要工具可不可以回覆一下目前關於這個部分你們的推進\n73496\t96719\t郭委員報告今天的這個設置中心條例事實上我們就是針對全海域基礎調查船我們現在國海院有三艘全海域基礎調查船有三艘正在建造中那100噸跟300噸的在115年可以完工那另外有一個4000噸的這個是目前最大的這種調查船會在118年完工\n97875\t108962\t好那如果這些船完工之後是不是就真的可以做到剛剛這麼多專家學者所呼籲的海洋基礎調查研究資料不是只有在有海水取樣你們目前給他的規劃分工\n110174\t131674\t為了這個調查船的這個建造事實上就是為了擴大這整個全海域的一個基礎的資料調查好那如果是這樣其實我其實還有想到關於人才的問題其實喬惠委員剛剛有提到因為法人的優勢就是他在禁用人才的彈性跟相關的營運上相對於公務機關是好的那目前你們在這邊的規劃方向可不可以跟我們簡單說明一下\n133314\t160875\t我們未來會爭取大概這個中心希望有100個元額的這樣子的一個設置那裡面當然是專業的人力的部分會大概達到79人這個從船模的製造設計等等操演等等還有調查船的這個關鍵的幹部還有這些探測的幹部等等這個是人力的配置上面我們目前已經有所規劃\n161656\t189207\t好 所以100個人裡面會有79人是做你剛剛所說的這些專業的工作但是我不確定你們目前相關的薪資等級規劃事實上在教育化委會之前就談過台灣在高等研究機構其實給的薪資相較於亞洲其他國家其實是低的所以就導致於台灣非常難留住這些高階的技術人才高階的專業人才我不知道在這個議題上你們有沒有相關的研究就是在留才的薪資彈性上\n190885\t212719\t那個國海院院長來說明一下因為我覺得薪資夠好其實才是最務實的啦謝謝委員那目前我們大概目前大概預估大概如果說能夠順利明年15年8月營運的話那主要的一些主要裡面的一個算是營業處裡面的同仁的話那大概就是會有\n213379\t214340\t聽起來其實還是沒有太回答我很務實的問題啦\n229434\t256260\t我要講的就是這些高階研究技術人才他們之所以願意留在台灣除了是自己的家鄉他有愛台灣的心之外如果相關的福利跟薪水給得不夠好或是相關他們的敘心的等級其實他們沒有什麼動力但是根據你剛剛的回答我覺得看起來其實還沒有回應到我們的問題但我們今天有時間有限就麻煩你們會後提供給我們你們相關人才還有新等的資料我們看一看可不可以為這些願意留下來貢獻台灣\n258121\t281782\t貢獻給台灣自己專業的人才更好的薪資福利好不好會後提供資料給我們好謝謝喔那我們接下來談另外一個事情運動部成立在即我之前就有問過關於海委會一個問題我說運動部要成立那目前台灣是一個海洋國家而且台灣確實有非常興盛的水域運動可是也因為水域運動非常興盛相關的水域事故其實很多\n282242\t310521\t但必须老实的说台湾在相关水域运动事故相关的保险相关的证照相关的监管上过去体育署认为不是他们的业务他们就推给了海委会可是对于海委会来说可能也不认同这是你们的业务所以当时我就发文请教你们你们给我的回复非常诚实你们说运动部在筹备的过程当中没有邀请海委会参与可是海委会自己勇于认识你们说面对全民运动政策的制定\n311081\t325105\t在水域運動上海委會可以並且願意成為運動部在成立過程當中行政治理的關鍵助力這個部分我可不可以請你正面再回覆你們是目前為止依然是這樣的態度嗎就是願意積極協助運動部\n327206\t339732\t報告委員答案是確實是的這個也是海委會的職責我想這個部分我們希望你們跨部會進行討論這個部分不知道你們有沒有機會壓一個時間還是說你覺得由我們辦公室來共同召開兩個部會的跨部會討論是比較適合的\n344927\t371990\t這個我們可以尊重委員這邊如果跨部會先討論一下後續海委會再做一個更深入的一些的協調也是一個可行的方式好那這個部分就我們辦公室來召開跨部會的討論好不好因為水域運動這件事情他不管是證照保險相關檢理政策確實需要海委會過去的非常多的資料進行水域事故細節的調查跟討論讓運動部做一個非常重要在制定政策法規資源非常重要的依據所以我們會召開跨部會討論\n372771\t380830\t好 以上這邊先謝謝你們接下來我要請袁總跟全序部主席 主席 主席 給我們解一分鐘就好\n381877\t408447\t好 謝謝主席看你愛蒙老鼓好 來 謝謝主席來 人寵跟全序部勞動節要到了不要緊張我們要問勞動節公務員放假不要緊張我們來看你們的法規因為我知道勞動節公務員放假行政院這邊有在努力可是我要講我們有非常多公務人員他們家裡都有六歲以下的幼兒可是一旦遇到勞動節放假這件事情他們的小孩就不知道要去哪裡這個現象其實你們一直都知道對不對目前有希望怎麼解決嗎\n409667\t433079\t這個部分在公務員請假你們會說你們有家庭照顧假嘛叫他拿他那七天的家庭照顧假來放掉其他其中一天對不對因為我們必須還是要回還是要照現行的那個那個請假規則沒錯沒錯好我們來看你們現行的請假規則就是這個你們說醫師要請試假給七天家庭照顧假有七天如果他要請幼兒照顧假就請他用原來的家庭照顧假七減一\n433939\t462762\t他就只剩下六天的家庭照顧假那在性工法裡面的勞動節不需要上班所以照顧小孩也不需要另外請假我知道你們其實在相關修法討論其實全序部跟人總各有各自的負責人總負責政策全序部負責法務法務的制定但是我想要問可是在你們今年下一張在你們今年四月剛剛公佈的公務人員請假規則裡面你們把幼兒照顧假條款拿掉了可是在去年的版本裡面卻有幼兒照顧假\n463823\t489219\t那今年為什麼拿掉我不知道可能是因為行政院已經在討論公務員可不可以在勞動節放假所以你們這邊就先拿掉了我猜測是這樣我認為你們不是惡意為之我認為是因為我在討論好所以下一張所以這邊我可不可以積極的拜託公務員請假規則修正我們辦公室的建議是這樣可不可以在公務人員請假規則正式納入幼兒照顧假的概念有沒有機會做這個討論\n490731\t511611\t跟委員報告因為目前請假規則就是還在廣納就是收集意見的階段所以各機關的意見還有委員這邊提的意見我們都會帶回去做一個通盤考慮好你剛剛已經說了都還在廣收意見那我的意見應該也是其中一部分意見那就拜託你們納入討論因為對於公務人員來說我們建立一個友善的生育職場從公務機關開始我認為是一個非常正面\n515214\t541905\t的範例所以呢這邊我們辦公室會積極的在追蹤這個題目我再說一次對於公務系統裡面在因為跟勞動相關法規休假造成的育兒上的差異其實很多公務員已經抱怨很久了如果我們真的希望留下更多優秀的公務員在這件事情上我認為政府帶頭示範是非常非常的重要所以各自的政策各自的法規那任總這邊可不可以說一下你們的立場\n543322\t567648\t他的立場我很清楚了 全序部說廣受意見討論中那任總這邊的態度呢因為目前也跟委員報告 因為還沒有有意見還沒有出來 那等出來的時候我想委員的意見我們都會在那個會上來仔細來討論那你個人是支持的嗎因為這是委員會沒有個人的問題好啦 但是我認為廣大意見討論真的非常重要而且我希望往這個正向方向移動好不好 謝謝謝謝主席 謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席那第一趴先請海委會我們吳政府好 謝謝\n好副主委早我其實要問的跟巧惠委員也差不多不過呢事實上我們之前在教文的時候已經跟國科會討論過了那國科會也說在這個部分他們確實會努力跟上不過在去年的幾個大型颱風之後呢其實就有台灣自己在地的學者專家有提出很嚴正的關於這個\n海洋的研究這個資料給你看一下來下一張這個是成大地科系的劉老師他在第二段這邊他有說海委會所轄海巡署的單位服役中的船艦從大型巡防艦到小型巡邏艇有181艘可是卻沒有任何一艘可以執行固定的持續穩定收集周遭海域海洋基礎調查資料的海洋研究船只能取海水撈樣那也就是說\n他們認為自取海洋國家的台灣在海洋治理上沒有獲取所需關鍵資料的必要工具可不可以回覆一下目前關於這個部分你們的推進\n郭委員報告今天的這個設置中心條例事實上我們就是針對全海域基礎調查船我們現在國海院有三艘全海域基礎調查船有三艘正在建造中那100噸跟300噸的在115年可以完工那另外有一個4000噸的這個是目前最大的這種調查船會在118年完工\n好那如果這些船完工之後是不是就真的可以做到剛剛這麼多專家學者所呼籲的海洋基礎調查研究資料不是只有在有海水取樣你們目前給他的規劃分工\n為了這個調查船的這個建造事實上就是為了擴大這整個全海域的一個基礎的資料調查好那如果是這樣其實我其實還有想到關於人才的問題其實喬惠委員剛剛有提到因為法人的優勢就是他在禁用人才的彈性跟相關的營運上相對於公務機關是好的那目前你們在這邊的規劃方向可不可以跟我們簡單說明一下\n我們未來會爭取大概這個中心希望有100個元額的這樣子的一個設置那裡面當然是專業的人力的部分會大概達到79人這個從船模的製造設計等等操演等等還有調查船的這個關鍵的幹部還有這些探測的幹部等等這個是人力的配置上面我們目前已經有所規劃\n好 所以100個人裡面會有79人是做你剛剛所說的這些專業的工作但是我不確定你們目前相關的薪資等級規劃事實上在教育化委會之前就談過台灣在高等研究機構其實給的薪資相較於亞洲其他國家其實是低的所以就導致於台灣非常難留住這些高階的技術人才高階的專業人才我不知道在這個議題上你們有沒有相關的研究就是在留才的薪資彈性上\n那個國海院院長來說明一下因為我覺得薪資夠好其實才是最務實的啦謝謝委員那目前我們大概目前大概預估大概如果說能夠順利明年15年8月營運的話那主要的一些主要裡面的一個算是營業處裡面的同仁的話那大概就是會有\n聽起來其實還是沒有太回答我很務實的問題啦\n我要講的就是這些高階研究技術人才他們之所以願意留在台灣除了是自己的家鄉他有愛台灣的心之外如果相關的福利跟薪水給得不夠好或是相關他們的敘心的等級其實他們沒有什麼動力但是根據你剛剛的回答我覺得看起來其實還沒有回應到我們的問題但我們今天有時間有限就麻煩你們會後提供給我們你們相關人才還有新等的資料我們看一看可不可以為這些願意留下來貢獻台灣\n貢獻給台灣自己專業的人才更好的薪資福利好不好會後提供資料給我們好謝謝喔那我們接下來談另外一個事情運動部成立在即我之前就有問過關於海委會一個問題我說運動部要成立那目前台灣是一個海洋國家而且台灣確實有非常興盛的水域運動可是也因為水域運動非常興盛相關的水域事故其實很多\n但必须老实的说台湾在相关水域运动事故相关的保险相关的证照相关的监管上过去体育署认为不是他们的业务他们就推给了海委会可是对于海委会来说可能也不认同这是你们的业务所以当时我就发文请教你们你们给我的回复非常诚实你们说运动部在筹备的过程当中没有邀请海委会参与可是海委会自己勇于认识你们说面对全民运动政策的制定\n在水域運動上海委會可以並且願意成為運動部在成立過程當中行政治理的關鍵助力這個部分我可不可以請你正面再回覆你們是目前為止依然是這樣的態度嗎就是願意積極協助運動部\n報告委員答案是確實是的這個也是海委會的職責我想這個部分我們希望你們跨部會進行討論這個部分不知道你們有沒有機會壓一個時間還是說你覺得由我們辦公室來共同召開兩個部會的跨部會討論是比較適合的\n這個我們可以尊重委員這邊如果跨部會先討論一下後續海委會再做一個更深入的一些的協調也是一個可行的方式好那這個部分就我們辦公室來召開跨部會的討論好不好因為水域運動這件事情他不管是證照保險相關檢理政策確實需要海委會過去的非常多的資料進行水域事故細節的調查跟討論讓運動部做一個非常重要在制定政策法規資源非常重要的依據所以我們會召開跨部會討論\n好 以上這邊先謝謝你們接下來我要請袁總跟全序部主席 主席 主席 給我們解一分鐘就好\n好 謝謝主席看你愛蒙老鼓好 來 謝謝主席來 人寵跟全序部勞動節要到了不要緊張我們要問勞動節公務員放假不要緊張我們來看你們的法規因為我知道勞動節公務員放假行政院這邊有在努力可是我要講我們有非常多公務人員他們家裡都有六歲以下的幼兒可是一旦遇到勞動節放假這件事情他們的小孩就不知道要去哪裡這個現象其實你們一直都知道對不對目前有希望怎麼解決嗎\n這個部分在公務員請假你們會說你們有家庭照顧假嘛叫他拿他那七天的家庭照顧假來放掉其他其中一天對不對因為我們必須還是要回還是要照現行的那個那個請假規則沒錯沒錯好我們來看你們現行的請假規則就是這個你們說醫師要請試假給七天家庭照顧假有七天如果他要請幼兒照顧假就請他用原來的家庭照顧假七減一\n他就只剩下六天的家庭照顧假那在性工法裡面的勞動節不需要上班所以照顧小孩也不需要另外請假我知道你們其實在相關修法討論其實全序部跟人總各有各自的負責人總負責政策全序部負責法務法務的制定但是我想要問可是在你們今年下一張在你們今年四月剛剛公佈的公務人員請假規則裡面你們把幼兒照顧假條款拿掉了可是在去年的版本裡面卻有幼兒照顧假\n那今年為什麼拿掉我不知道可能是因為行政院已經在討論公務員可不可以在勞動節放假所以你們這邊就先拿掉了我猜測是這樣我認為你們不是惡意為之我認為是因為我在討論好所以下一張所以這邊我可不可以積極的拜託公務員請假規則修正我們辦公室的建議是這樣可不可以在公務人員請假規則正式納入幼兒照顧假的概念有沒有機會做這個討論\n跟委員報告因為目前請假規則就是還在廣納就是收集意見的階段所以各機關的意見還有委員這邊提的意見我們都會帶回去做一個通盤考慮好你剛剛已經說了都還在廣收意見那我的意見應該也是其中一部分意見那就拜託你們納入討論因為對於公務人員來說我們建立一個友善的生育職場從公務機關開始我認為是一個非常正面\n的範例所以呢這邊我們辦公室會積極的在追蹤這個題目我再說一次對於公務系統裡面在因為跟勞動相關法規休假造成的育兒上的差異其實很多公務員已經抱怨很久了如果我們真的希望留下更多優秀的公務員在這件事情上我認為政府帶頭示範是非常非常的重要所以各自的政策各自的法規那任總這邊可不可以說一下你們的立場\n他的立場我很清楚了 全序部說廣受意見討論中那任總這邊的態度呢因為目前也跟委員報告 因為還沒有有意見還沒有出來 那等出來的時候我想委員的意見我們都會在那個會上來仔細來討論那你個人是支持的嗎因為這是委員會沒有個人的問題好啦 但是我認為廣大意見討論真的非常重要而且我希望往這個正向方向移動好不好 謝謝謝謝主席 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.585 --> 00:10.426\n好謝謝主席那第一趴先請海委會我們吳政府好謝謝\n\n00:12.967 --> 00:32.904\n好副主委早我其實要問的跟巧惠委員也差不多不過呢事實上我們之前在教文的時候已經跟國科會討論過了那國科會也說在這個部分他們確實會努力跟上不過在去年的幾個大型颱風之後呢其實就有台灣自己在地的學者專家有提出很嚴正的關於這個\n\n00:34.986 --> 01:00.754\n海洋的研究這個資料給你看一下來下一張這個是成大地科系的劉老師他在第二段這邊他有說海委會所轄海巡署的單位服役中的船艦從大型巡防艦到小型巡邏艇有181艘可是卻沒有任何一艘可以執行固定的持續穩定收集周遭海域海洋基礎調查資料的海洋研究船只能取海水撈樣那也就是說\n\n01:03.055 --> 01:12.044\n他們認為自取海洋國家的台灣在海洋治理上沒有獲取所需關鍵資料的必要工具可不可以回覆一下目前關於這個部分你們的推進\n\n01:13.496 --> 01:36.719\n郭委員報告今天的這個設置中心條例事實上我們就是針對全海域基礎調查船我們現在國海院有三艘全海域基礎調查船有三艘正在建造中那100噸跟300噸的在115年可以完工那另外有一個4000噸的這個是目前最大的這種調查船會在118年完工\n\n01:37.875 --> 01:48.962\n好那如果這些船完工之後是不是就真的可以做到剛剛這麼多專家學者所呼籲的海洋基礎調查研究資料不是只有在有海水取樣你們目前給他的規劃分工\n\n01:50.174 --> 02:11.674\n為了這個調查船的這個建造事實上就是為了擴大這整個全海域的一個基礎的資料調查好那如果是這樣其實我其實還有想到關於人才的問題其實喬惠委員剛剛有提到因為法人的優勢就是他在禁用人才的彈性跟相關的營運上相對於公務機關是好的那目前你們在這邊的規劃方向可不可以跟我們簡單說明一下\n\n02:13.314 --> 02:40.875\n我們未來會爭取大概這個中心希望有100個元額的這樣子的一個設置那裡面當然是專業的人力的部分會大概達到79人這個從船模的製造設計等等操演等等還有調查船的這個關鍵的幹部還有這些探測的幹部等等這個是人力的配置上面我們目前已經有所規劃\n\n02:41.656 --> 03:09.207\n好所以100個人裡面會有79人是做你剛剛所說的這些專業的工作但是我不確定你們目前相關的薪資等級規劃事實上在教育化委會之前就談過台灣在高等研究機構其實給的薪資相較於亞洲其他國家其實是低的所以就導致於台灣非常難留住這些高階的技術人才高階的專業人才我不知道在這個議題上你們有沒有相關的研究就是在留才的薪資彈性上\n\n03:10.885 --> 03:32.719\n那個國海院院長來說明一下因為我覺得薪資夠好其實才是最務實的啦謝謝委員那目前我們大概目前大概預估大概如果說能夠順利明年15年8月營運的話那主要的一些主要裡面的一個算是營業處裡面的同仁的話那大概就是會有\n\n03:33.379 --> 03:34.340\n聽起來其實還是沒有太回答我很務實的問題啦\n\n03:49.434 --> 04:16.260\n我要講的就是這些高階研究技術人才他們之所以願意留在台灣除了是自己的家鄉他有愛台灣的心之外如果相關的福利跟薪水給得不夠好或是相關他們的敘心的等級其實他們沒有什麼動力但是根據你剛剛的回答我覺得看起來其實還沒有回應到我們的問題但我們今天有時間有限就麻煩你們會後提供給我們你們相關人才還有新等的資料我們看一看可不可以為這些願意留下來貢獻台灣\n\n04:18.121 --> 04:41.782\n貢獻給台灣自己專業的人才更好的薪資福利好不好會後提供資料給我們好謝謝喔那我們接下來談另外一個事情運動部成立在即我之前就有問過關於海委會一個問題我說運動部要成立那目前台灣是一個海洋國家而且台灣確實有非常興盛的水域運動可是也因為水域運動非常興盛相關的水域事故其實很多\n\n04:42.242 --> 05:10.521\n但必须老实的说台湾在相关水域运动事故相关的保险相关的证照相关的监管上过去体育署认为不是他们的业务他们就推给了海委会可是对于海委会来说可能也不认同这是你们的业务所以当时我就发文请教你们你们给我的回复非常诚实你们说运动部在筹备的过程当中没有邀请海委会参与可是海委会自己勇于认识你们说面对全民运动政策的制定\n\n05:11.081 --> 05:25.105\n在水域運動上海委會可以並且願意成為運動部在成立過程當中行政治理的關鍵助力這個部分我可不可以請你正面再回覆你們是目前為止依然是這樣的態度嗎就是願意積極協助運動部\n\n05:27.206 --> 05:39.732\n報告委員答案是確實是的這個也是海委會的職責我想這個部分我們希望你們跨部會進行討論這個部分不知道你們有沒有機會壓一個時間還是說你覺得由我們辦公室來共同召開兩個部會的跨部會討論是比較適合的\n\n05:44.927 --> 06:11.990\n這個我們可以尊重委員這邊如果跨部會先討論一下後續海委會再做一個更深入的一些的協調也是一個可行的方式好那這個部分就我們辦公室來召開跨部會的討論好不好因為水域運動這件事情他不管是證照保險相關檢理政策確實需要海委會過去的非常多的資料進行水域事故細節的調查跟討論讓運動部做一個非常重要在制定政策法規資源非常重要的依據所以我們會召開跨部會討論\n\n06:12.771 --> 06:20.830\n好以上這邊先謝謝你們接下來我要請袁總跟全序部主席主席主席給我們解一分鐘就好\n\n06:21.877 --> 06:48.447\n好謝謝主席看你愛蒙老鼓好來謝謝主席來人寵跟全序部勞動節要到了不要緊張我們要問勞動節公務員放假不要緊張我們來看你們的法規因為我知道勞動節公務員放假行政院這邊有在努力可是我要講我們有非常多公務人員他們家裡都有六歲以下的幼兒可是一旦遇到勞動節放假這件事情他們的小孩就不知道要去哪裡這個現象其實你們一直都知道對不對目前有希望怎麼解決嗎\n\n06:49.667 --> 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全序部說廣受意見討論中那任總這邊的態度呢因為目前也跟委員報告 因為還沒有有意見還沒有出來 那等出來的時候我想委員的意見我們都會在那個會上來仔細來討論那你個人是支持的嗎因為這是委員會沒有個人的問題好啦 但是我認為廣大意見討論真的非常重要而且我希望往這個正向方向移動好不好 謝謝謝謝主席 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