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00:01:08,982\n那其實在過去我們國家也發花了很多的人民的預算來去做相關我們國家海洋的一些的這個硬體的一些設置比如說現在預算中心又特別指出我們國海院有一個國家船模實驗多功能水槽建置計畫\n\n4\n00:01:10,262 --> 00:01:38,891\n那這個相關的計畫我們也可以看到過去的經費大概是31億然後因為整個原物料上漲的跟一些外部的因素增加成44億那我們現在有點擔心的是這個計畫主要就是希望大家剛剛很多委員都有提到希望我們國家未來在一些船的一些試驗上可以不用到國外去在台灣就可以使用就可以完成以免一些重要的機密外洩\n\n5\n00:01:39,631 --> 00:01:48,172\n那我想要請教一下我們這個預算已經增加了大概13億左右那我們現在整體的計畫這個預算中心很擔心其實是不是有比較慢的一個情形\n\n6\n00:01:52,845 --> 00:02:10,836\n目前因為這兩個計畫主要是公建計畫就是調查船的部分是一二到我先請教那個國家船模實驗室現在目前的進度到多少現在大概6點多%因為現在主要是土建6點多%主要是因為土建因為我們是蓋在興達港\n\n7\n00:02:15,399 --> 00:02:29,426\n13%因為今年主要是土建的部分因為土建因為他剛在新達港那新達港那邊附近他比較靠海所以事實上當時的一個工程工程上是比較複雜一點所以有耽誤嗎現在目前是沒有陸期進行那預期現在完成13%未來預計什麼時候會完工預計是115年今年116116年116年會完成預計116年\n\n8\n00:02:39,011 --> 00:02:59,923\n好那我再請教其實大家希望說人民納稅錢要用在刀口上那做這個實驗室主要原因就是因為現在國內有四座船艦的船模的實驗水槽沒有辦法提供完整的船模實驗項目那我們現在我們國海院所做的這一個船模的實驗室未來是可以\n\n9\n00:03:00,643 --> 00:03:17,330\n可以做我們的整整完整的船模的實驗嗎對跟我們報告他這個可以做到完整的就是包括那個奈海性能的水槽啦還有迴旋臂的水槽等等這個現在都目前國內是沒有的對所以我們會把整體完整性的一個實驗這樣子實驗室建造起來\n\n10\n00:03:18,371 --> 00:03:29,345\n好那希望說大家可以再努力把這個進度給趕上那第二個就是講到的有關於這個大家重視的這個調查船的部分其實經費也從這個經費也增加了蠻多總經費到31億那其實\n\n11\n00:03:36,575 --> 00:03:53,046\n預算中心也特別提說其實過去來講進度非常的緩慢尤其在112年的時候執行率只有23%然後而且在113年的時候的預算都是集中在年底才執行那我可不可以請教一下我們現在這些調查船海洋調查船的進度有趕上嗎\n\n12\n00:03:55,414 --> 00:04:11,101\n目前有現在我們釣蝦船主要會有三艘那第一艘跟第二艘100噸跟300噸已經去年開工了現在正在興建當中那4000噸的部分因為我們今年有剛通過這個變更計畫所以事實上經費又在增加了因為主要是因為那個現在都是屬於\n\n13\n00:04:12,081 --> 00:04:28,056\n造船都是屬於賣方的市場還有包括整個物價上揚所以這次也很謝謝就是已經有通過第二次變更那我們一季四千噸的部分今年算是我們的重頭戲啦四千噸最大這一艘嘛對最大這一艘希望能夠在今年年底能夠完成發包今年完成發包對希望\n\n14\n00:04:28,976 --> 00:04:46,786\n那請問一下有沒有整個工程進度有拖延的情況目前四千噸因為還沒嘛那一百噸跟三百噸目前是沒有的現在是如期在興建當中那大概什麼時候會完成一百三百噸大概一百噸跟三百噸是一百一一五年的年底完工然後四千噸的部分是一一八年完工\n\n15\n00:04:48,043 --> 00:05:09,028\n118年完工嗎對是現在好那也拜託因為這都我相信人民都很期待那接下來我就要請教就是有關於今天的草案有關的國家海洋營運中心的設置那因為我認為現在目前的設置我們很多委員對於整個草案為什麼要設置都有相當多的疑問那我們當然希望說有需要就必須要設置\n\n16\n00:05:09,989 --> 00:05:21,129\n可是我從現在海委會的報告裡面沒有看到說我們這個海洋科技營運中心設置整體所要的這些經費大概需要多少經費跟人力好像目前都好像沒有規劃\n\n17\n00:05:22,992 --> 00:05:50,472\n跟委員報告他必須要用行政法人的原因事實上就是我們的包括這些人才的專業性非常的高然後未來的營運的效能等等比較有彈性啦那我們的這個經費的部分呢我們目前是一估從一百一十六一百明年是一五一五我們大概需要經費大概是六千萬左右然後一六會到三億然後一七跟一八大概三點六一目前是有一個經費的估算對\n\n18\n00:05:51,734 --> 00:05:54,591\n那人員的部分也有一些禁用的這樣子的規劃\n\n19\n00:05:55,660 --> 00:06:23,203\n好就是說其實本席想要請教我們海委會的部分就是說現在我們所有海洋的整個強化韌性的部分我們做了這麼多的東西所以不管從現在的建造以及未來人力的配置以及我們這個營運中心的整個建造跟未來人力的配置的部分我覺得就是人才的培育的部分其實是本席所擔心的我們到底有沒有那麼多的經費有沒有那麼多人力的培育\n\n20\n00:06:24,884 --> 00:06:46,923\n以及未來我們怎麼樣去執行這些方面本席還是希望說是不是可以提供一個完整的計畫你現在有需要這麼多的經費這麼多的人力那我們台灣現在有這麼多的人力來去做比如說未來調查船的行駛的調查或者是說未來我們整個營運中心有這麼多的人力可以來執行這樣的東西嗎你們現在有辦法回答嗎\n\n21\n00:06:48,940 --> 00:07:16,462\n因為這個經費都很多人力都很多報告委員事實上我們現在就開始有在做人力培訓了那我們之前就是大概有12個種子教師針對船母的因為船母它非常的複雜包括整個一些精密儀器的一些操作所以事實上我們已經有完成一部分的國內跟國外的一個培訓那這個是為了我們的種子部隊啦那當然我們也是希望說委員能夠支持讓我們這個行政法能夠成立的話讓我們能夠透過預算裡面能夠如期來來招聘更多專業的人才\n\n22\n00:07:17,563 --> 00:07:39,310\n好那最後一個問題有時間的關係其實我們現在做這麼多的經費建造未來人力的培訓跟未來營運其實我們認為要在這個很重要就是希望說國家的安全的機密不要外洩那我想一下這些人才培訓的有這個安全考核是依照什麼規定來執行未來可以確保國家機密跟技術不會外洩有沒有相關的\n\n23\n00:07:39,830 --> 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希望\n那請問一下有沒有整個工程進度有拖延的情況目前四千噸因為還沒嘛那一百噸跟三百噸目前是沒有的現在是如期在興建當中那大概什麼時候會完成一百三百噸大概一百噸跟三百噸是一百一一五年的年底完工然後四千噸的部分是一一八年完工\n118年完工嗎對是現在好那也拜託因為這都我相信人民都很期待那接下來我就要請教就是有關於今天的草案有關的國家海洋營運中心的設置那因為我認為現在目前的設置我們很多委員對於整個草案為什麼要設置都有相當多的疑問那我們當然希望說有需要就必須要設置\n可是我從現在海委會的報告裡面沒有看到說我們這個海洋科技營運中心設置整體所要的這些經費大概需要多少經費跟人力好像目前都好像沒有規劃\n跟委員報告他必須要用行政法人的原因事實上就是我們的包括這些人才的專業性非常的高然後未來的營運的效能等等比較有彈性啦那我們的這個經費的部分呢我們目前是一估從一百一十六一百明年是一五一五我們大概需要經費大概是六千萬左右然後一六會到三億然後一七跟一八大概三點六一目前是有一個經費的估算對\n那人員的部分也有一些禁用的這樣子的規劃\n好 就是說其實本席想要請教我們海委會的部分就是說現在我們所有海洋的整個強化韌性的部分我們做了這麼多的東西所以不管從現在的建造以及未來人力的配置以及我們這個營運中心的整個建造跟未來人力的配置的部分我覺得就是人才的培育的部分其實是本席所擔心的我們到底有沒有那麼多的經費有沒有那麼多人力的培育\n以及未來我們怎麼樣去執行這些方面本席還是希望說是不是可以提供一個完整的計畫你現在有需要這麼多的經費這麼多的人力那我們台灣現在有這麼多的人力來去做比如說未來調查船的行駛的調查或者是說未來我們整個營運中心有這麼多的人力可以來執行這樣的東西嗎你們現在有辦法回答嗎\n因為這個經費都很多 人力都很多報告委員 事實上我們現在就開始有在做人力培訓了那我們之前就是大概有12個種子教師針對船母的 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