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00:01:11,718\n我們現在各個部會有沒有業務重疊的有沒有需要整編的那如何去跨部會的協調然後能夠用成更好的一個協調機制不要同樣一件事情兩個單位在做花兩倍的錢我覺得我今天第一個重點想要請教\n\n4\n00:01:15,106 --> 00:01:32,955\n這個部分事實上我們也特別注意也謝謝委員關心那資源不會重置啦那各個單位他有各自的一個分工那未來我們海委會跟國海院還有這個科研中心我們要做的一件事情還包括整合就是剛剛委員提到的不要重置資源\n\n5\n00:01:33,215 --> 00:01:51,259\n所以我們也會去整合相關的不管是調查船的這些船隊或者是船模實驗室我們去結合現行各個大學已經有的一些實驗然後把它做成一個船模實驗的國家隊等等這個我們都有在規劃然後會去注意到說不要資源重置好那跨部會誰主導跨部會誰主導\n\n6\n00:01:59,198 --> 00:02:16,133\n我們有主動譬如說恰恰國科會啦或者是像農業部水事所他們現在也有一些研究船然後交通部的部分那還有會因為我們的職責上面統籌協調整合所有的海洋政策事務所以我們都主動的在做這些事情不不不你回答我一個問題誰主導\n\n7\n00:02:24,261 --> 00:02:37,749\n不是嘛我剛剛的問題啊各部會都有啊然後有很多都是重複的那你們剛剛回答我說你們跨部會你們都有去協調啊然後不要重複啊不要連教育部連學校都有那我只問一個問題啊誰去主導這個\n\n8\n00:02:42,572 --> 00:02:53,717\n不然你們都跟我說跨部會我也知道啊我也在行政機關十幾年啊跨部會大家都來啊到最後沒有一個人負責沒有一個人去處理事情等於是白談\n\n9\n00:02:56,753 --> 00:03:20,561\n就是當然海委會會希望來主導這整個的整合協調但是如果機關之間有一些業務面向上面的分工有什麼需要行政院來協助的部分我們也會請行政院來協助不不不副主委我剛問的就是我也不想讓你為難你剛就想說你也需要你主導就我所知\n\n10\n00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:35,668\n目前就是沒有一個部會可以去主導啦也沒有一個部會可以去協調啦重點是在這嘛是不是啊人來扮演這個角色不不不你要回答我的問題啊\n\n11\n00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:56,639\n有一些這樣的問題就在那裡好啦好啦你也不方便講啦我也知道啦但我們都很支持這樣這些研究這些啊我也先說我是支持啊但我們不能讓這個事情一拖再拖啦我們不能讓這個事情永遠在這邊嘛對不對\n\n12\n00:03:58,961 --> 00:04:20,505\n我們立法委員我們立法院是要監督你們行政機關預算的執行的什麼的對不對那我們發現了這個問題啊那你今天有這麼多我們又成立了這個又成立了什麼的我覺得就像你說的如果你海委會你想說你要主導要主導的人要扛責\n\n13\n00:04:22,752 --> 00:04:48,057\n責任跟權力是要的那你們可以主動去跟行政院啊對不對去跟院長報告啊就這幾個我們大家拿出來盤點哪些跟海委會的業務是很直接的你們願意負全部的責任那你們也願意去主導我覺得應該要這樣子解決這一個很混雜的問題而且這有什麼好處\n\n14\n00:04:49,551 --> 00:05:12,923\n很多的東西很多的如果你們可以這樣子的話有的預算可以不用多編有的人員可以不用那麼多然後方向明確往前走不是這個單位我往右研究這個單位我往左研究我往南往東到時候連彙整都沒有辦法彙整你們現在是不是遇到這個問題\n\n15\n00:05:17,544 --> 00:05:35,832\n你回答我的問題就好你們現在是不是遇到這個問題有一些整合上的問題需要解決你一直都避重就輕啦我也不想為難你啦你們確實就是遇到這個問題嘛那就是遇到問題我現在就開解方給你你要去這樣做啦那你們\n\n16\n00:05:37,621 --> 00:05:52,679\n海委會我也認為海委會應該要負起這個整個海洋計畫海洋研究海洋保育海洋的未來的規劃什麼的這個本來我認為就是海委會應該要的責任那你其他的部會\n\n17\n00:05:54,220 --> 00:06:17,952\n大家要相互配合我說你們的主導不是叫你們威權然後說你們怎樣怎樣都要聽你們的我那個意思是總要有一個總負責的人一個總負責的然後大家去然後有這樣的整合包括明年的預算的編列大家就可以透過這個整合的會議這樣大家去看預算不要重複編列然後放在重點\n\n18\n00:06:19,013 --> 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