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00:02:06,013\n那我現在正在研議委員剛剛提到的動態統計儀錶板我們今年年底就要進製完成好這個目前的進度是如何這個建制這個統計的儀錶板這個在過去我們已經提出很多次的要求啊來趕快來說明啊什麼時候進入的那委員你好\n\n7\n00:02:08,803 --> 00:02:35,741\n那我們大概規劃分兩年來建置那第一年像今年我們會把整個感染建議的統計數字的那個儀表板建好那明年的話就會真的委員所提的這些安全風險包括安全議題的部分也把它納入這個網站上面幫助對當然這個儀表板要納入風險的樣態分析跟政策建議的這個追蹤這個是這個儀表板最重要的功能目前你們的規劃是如何\n\n8\n00:02:36,488 --> 00:02:58,244\n對我們就是其實我們會今年已經有做先期的作業像我們在委員要求我們每年頒布的這個感染建議的評估報告我們已經把這個風險分析的安全議題納入了那這個是前期的作業那因為這個前期作業完之後那才會把它納到這個網頁上呈現那這兩年我們預計明年應該可以是完成好\n\n9\n00:02:58,584 --> 00:03:19,280\n那接下來我們運安會一個重要的工作除了這個儀表板的建置我想數據跟資訊的公開是下一步的關鍵那交通安全不只是運安會的一個重要的職責以及交通部重要的工作當然有很多的學者或者是民間我認為這個數據跟資訊應該要公開就是說我們這個數據儀表板\n\n10\n00:03:25,144 --> 00:03:49,174\n應該要作為開放式的一個交通安全的一個資料庫那我們針對各類事故的樣態及風險分析還有系統性的風險樣態的這個分析我們要開放這個API或是資料的查詢平台讓民間跟學術研究可以使用來主委說明一下應該是包括在裡面\n\n11\n00:03:50,174 --> 00:04:17,402\n開放API這個讓民間學術能夠進一階這個是應該在裡面的這個是我們要努力推動的工作當然我們對於相關的這些基本的一個基礎的統計還有分析的系統最主要就是要統計要分析當然最重要就是改善那我們這個儀表板的建設希望能夠依照我們的一個要求要去落實\n\n12\n00:04:18,402 --> 00:04:31,497\n另外我要跟主委來討論一下就是有關於我們的年度運輸安全改善的建議評估報告他有提出相關的改善建議的這個結案率\n\n13\n00:04:33,379 --> 00:04:56,905\n那我們看到飛航事故前年的改善的建議結案率98.6那今年提升到99.5那公路事故83.5前年那今年已經提升到87那鐵道的事故有83.3前年結案率那今年也提升到89.6\n\n14\n00:04:58,945 --> 00:05:16,338\n那水路事故呢水路事故73.4啊雖然略有提升但是還是有兩層啊這個未結案那這個部分啊來主委說明一下為什麼還是水路事故這個部分還是有兩層沒有結案呢\n\n15\n00:05:18,372 --> 00:05:33,299\n那個水路組因為他有時候他是有季節性也不能講季節性有時候在某一段時間他案子特別多的時候就感覺上他會擠在一起那人力是固定的這個理由不夠充實來水路組來說明嘛為什麼還要兩次\n\n16\n00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:58,789\n他的水路的事故主要是什麼?然後未結案的這個結案率為什麼會還有兩成的差距?有關於這部分最主要是之前發生有很多案子都是涉以這個飲水作為的修訂尤其最主要是飲水法還有這個就是VTS有關於這個川某標示條例\n\n17\n00:05:59,309 --> 00:06:13,085\n那這樣的一個航路標識條例那這個修法的過程比較隆長尤其是飲水法總共有40條大概已經要修了30幾條所以這一部分呢航空局已經在努力的在做那我們也積極在跟他們溝通\n\n18\n00:06:14,887 --> 00:06:26,840\n這個必須要提升他的結案率這個是建議改善的結案率這個是非常重要的一個關鍵點另外我來提醒一下雲南匯就是在2020年的10月\n\n19\n00:06:30,965 --> 00:06:36,511\n其實我就曾經針對無人車、電動車這些新興的載具它的運輸安全的問題,質詢過運安會當然我們知道電動車的快速增加它當然也會帶來相關的交通風險\n\n20\n00:06:48,204 --> 00:07:14,349\n當然電動私人載具的快速增加是要為了達成國家的一個禁令的目標那科音業其實也要全面的電動化這是一個趨勢嘛但是它也帶來另外一種風險因為電動車的物理特性它的電動車如果發生事故其實我們在新聞已經看過很多了它起火燃燒的溫度還有它持續的時間\n\n21\n00:07:15,709 --> 00:07:44,236\n比傳統的油車還要久那滅火的方式也有所限制這都是在發展電動車的過程裡面社會所注意到的相關的風險那當然我知道運安會也在起手調查有兩起的電動車的事故那運安會其實也參與過國際電動車的相關的安全會議那目前我國電動車的安全的規範\n\n22\n00:07:46,052 --> 00:08:07,523\n我要請教運安會有沒有相關應該改善的建議來說明一下這一點我們就比較力不從心因為事實上為了調查電動車的事故我們也有加長訓練譬如說我們派人出國到美國警察大學佛羅里達警察大學他們有關電動車電池向外面的那種燃燒怎麼鋪面還有過照什麼\n\n23\n00:08:09,324 --> 00:08:36,558\n那國內消防署他們也有關電動車起火什麼我們也去參與他們的這個有關滅火訓練等等那事實上電動車三大部分嘛電池電控電池電動電池還有那個它裡面的安全控制工程部分但是現在台灣有關電池譬如說電動車起火看起來明明是撲滅啦它過一陣子的時候它又起火燃燒\n\n24\n00:08:38,159 --> 00:08:58,468\n這個不是我們的主委我們現在提到電動車這些相關的載具它真的是一個敬禮目標的一個交通運輸工具的趨勢那當然我們現在都知道電動大巴士也在政府的補助以及推動之下也在快速的成長\n\n25\n00:08:59,548 --> 00:09:15,544\n那電動大巴士的如果說以這樣電動車的物理特性以及相關它滅火的相關的限制或者是它起火的這種特性如果說我們的運安會主委在這邊說我們這個沒有辦法沒有基礎\n\n26\n00:09:17,326 --> 00:09:37,902\n這個會讓民眾憂心如果電動大巴士發生重大的交通意外事故第一個我們首先我們的調查量能就沒有第二個我們沒有無從相關的建議改善這個是一個很大的缺陷這個主委要特別去針對今年針對這種電動車相關的這種事故他的調查量能\n\n27\n00:09:43,226 --> 00:09:47,110\n以及相關的法規我們必須要去進行檢討我們車輛電池安全規格\n\n28\n00:09:51,198 --> 00:10:13,721\n還有消防交通等等的法規是不是要去增訂增修這個都要去討論啊以及事故發生時候的處理流程是怎樣來主委說明一下你們現在有沒有概念如果電動大巴士發生這種起火或者是重大的交通事故你們處理的流程是什麼\n\n29\n00:10:15,137 --> 00:10:31,697\n其實是這樣子啦這個就我剛剛講的電動車三大部分嘛一個是電機一個是電池一個是控制嘛那麼電池的部分目前事實上你看在國外的新聞也有常常看到就是說不管是\n\n30\n00:10:33,478 --> 00:11:00,032\n電動車在地下室電動車或者是電動的大巴士或什麼它起火燃燒現在全世界都在研究這個到底以電池它到底有哪些的特性它燃燒之後怎麼撲滅它那因為大家會調查是說它已經發生完了所以我們去調查但是沒有錯委員講的沒有錯我們也要知道說當時是為什麼會燃燒或什麼這個要加緊相關的因應主委你今天的說法會讓社會大眾\n\n31\n00:11:03,393 --> 00:11:28,904\n會產生疑慮我們對於電動大巴士以及相關的電動車相關的事故的調查到目前的基礎非常的薄弱幾乎等於零這個會讓民眾來擔憂我們應安會應該要針對這些新興的載具加速的因應其實我記得我在質詢之後好幾年前大概五年前\n\n32\n00:11:29,824 --> 00:11:50,727\n大概質詢這個相關的電動車新興載具的議題那運安會其實有去做進行調查範圍的一個修訂那這個運安會在這個過程裡面有沒有進行相關的研究這個進度會不會太慢來說明一下簡單說明一下\n\n33\n00:11:52,871 --> 00:12:20,733\n我們還在收集資料中中確實現在還是在收集資料進度太慢民眾擔憂我們會加快腳步這個會讓社會大眾針對這樣的一個新興載具它電動大巴等等的這樣一個電動車無人車相關的這個交通事故的調查量能竟然是幾乎等於零這個我們非常的擔憂你是沒有啦就是已經開始在動了啦\n\n34\n00:12:21,935 --> 00:12:38,032\n已經開始在動了這個答案真的是民眾會非常生氣我們要加緊我們的相關的這個一個調查的量以及相關的預防措施現在就要去啟動它相關的預防機制以及研究好不好是謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝我們\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n552\t3651\t請一下林主委好 應安會林主委\n7709\t36010\t委員好 運安會是在2019年成立也即將要進入第六年了當初我們在推動運安會的一個成立從非安會提升為運安會最主要是希望能夠提升事故調查的量能也能夠提出改善的建議最重要是監督改善的一個落實\n37071\t60215\t那在相關的這樣的一個事故的發生調查的過程當然也累積了非常多的資料那這些資料不管是事故發生的資料或者是改善的相關的建議它都是日後我們改善交通安全的一個最重要的基礎資料這樣的一個基礎資料我們還是發現它有幾個問題第一個它難以查詢\n67059\t86090\t第二他是沒有進行了風險的一個因素的一個統整另外就是對於進一步資料的分析這個部分沒有落實來主委簡單說明一下我們應安會的這樣的一個基礎資料目前是不是有這樣的一個問題\n88127\t106656\t謝謝委員的指導 事實上我們才112年10月份開始就對整個事務調查常用統計圖表我們已經有增加這個功能那麼目前 目前藝術安全改善建議的這個頁面我們電腦的頁面可以選定相關條件 關鍵字就可以去查\n107136\t126013\t那我現在正在研議委員剛剛提到的動態統計儀錶板我們今年年底就要進製完成好這個目前的進度是如何這個建制這個統計的儀錶板這個在過去我們已經提出很多次的要求啊來趕快來說明啊什麼時候進入的那委員你好\n128803\t155741\t那我們大概規劃分兩年來建置那第一年像今年我們會把整個感染建議的統計數字的那個儀表板建好那明年的話就會真的委員所提的這些安全風險包括安全議題的部分也把它納入這個網站上面幫助對當然這個儀表板要納入風險的樣態分析跟政策建議的這個追蹤這個是這個儀表板最重要的功能目前你們的規劃是如何\n156488\t178244\t對我們就是其實我們會今年已經有做先期的作業像我們在委員要求我們每年頒布的這個感染建議的評估報告我們已經把這個風險分析的安全議題納入了那這個是前期的作業那因為這個前期作業完之後那才會把它納到這個網頁上呈現那這兩年我們預計明年應該可以是完成好\n178584\t199280\t那接下來我們運安會一個重要的工作除了這個儀表板的建置我想數據跟資訊的公開是下一步的關鍵那交通安全不只是運安會的一個重要的職責以及交通部重要的工作當然有很多的學者或者是民間我認為這個數據跟資訊應該要公開就是說我們這個數據儀表板\n205144\t229174\t應該要作為開放式的一個交通安全的一個資料庫那我們針對各類事故的樣態及風險分析還有系統性的風險樣態的這個分析我們要開放這個API或是資料的查詢平台讓民間跟學術研究可以使用來 主委說明一下應該是包括在裡面\n230174\t257402\t開放API這個讓民間學術能夠進一階這個是應該在裡面的這個是我們要努力推動的工作當然我們對於相關的這些基本的一個基礎的統計還有分析的系統最主要就是要統計要分析當然最重要就是改善那我們這個儀表板的建設希望能夠依照我們的一個要求要去落實\n258402\t271497\t另外我要跟主委來討論一下就是有關於我們的年度運輸安全改善的建議評估報告他有提出相關的改善建議的這個結案率\n273379\t296905\t那我們看到飛航事故前年的改善的建議結案率98.6那今年提升到99.5那公路事故83.5前年那今年已經提升到87那鐵道的事故有83.3前年結案率那今年也提升到89.6\n298945\t316338\t那水路事故呢 水路事故73.4啊 雖然略有提升但是還是有兩層啊 這個未結案 那這個部分啊來主委說明一下 為什麼還是水路事故這個部分還是有兩層沒有結案呢\n318372\t333299\t那個水路組因為他有時候他是有季節性也不能講季節性有時候在某一段時間他案子特別多的時候就感覺上他會擠在一起那人力是固定的這個理由不夠充實來水路組來說明嘛為什麼還要兩次\n335680\t358789\t他的水路的事故主要是什麼?然後未結案的這個結案率為什麼會還有兩成的差距?有關於這部分最主要是之前發生有很多案子都是涉以這個飲水作為的修訂尤其最主要是飲水法還有這個就是VTS有關於這個川某標示條例\n359309\t373085\t那這樣的一個航路標識條例那這個修法的過程比較隆長尤其是飲水法總共有40條大概已經要修了30幾條所以這一部分呢航空局已經在努力的在做那我們也積極在跟他們溝通\n374887\t386840\t這個必須要提升他的結案率這個是建議改善的結案率這個是非常重要的一個關鍵點另外我來提醒一下雲南匯就是在2020年的10月\n390965\t396511\t其實我就曾經針對無人車、電動車這些新興的載具它的運輸安全的問題,質詢過運安會當然我們知道電動車的快速增加它當然也會帶來相關的交通風險\n408204\t434349\t當然電動私人載具的快速增加是要為了達成國家的一個禁令的目標那科音業其實也要全面的電動化這是一個趨勢嘛但是它也帶來另外一種風險因為電動車的物理特性它的電動車如果發生事故其實我們在新聞已經看過很多了它起火燃燒的溫度還有它持續的時間\n435709\t464236\t比傳統的油車還要久那滅火的方式也有所限制這都是在發展電動車的過程裡面社會所注意到的相關的風險那當然我知道運安會也在起手調查有兩起的電動車的事故那運安會其實也參與過國際電動車的相關的安全會議那目前我國電動車的安全的規範\n466052\t487523\t我要請教運安會有沒有相關應該改善的建議來說明一下這一點我們就比較力不從心因為事實上為了調查電動車的事故我們也有加長訓練譬如說我們派人出國到美國警察大學佛羅里達警察大學他們有關電動車電池向外面的那種燃燒怎麼鋪面還有過照什麼\n489324\t516558\t那國內消防署他們也有關電動車起火什麼我們也去參與他們的這個有關滅火訓練等等那事實上電動車三大部分嘛電池電控電池電動電池還有那個它裡面的安全控制工程部分但是現在台灣有關電池譬如說電動車起火看起來明明是撲滅啦它過一陣子的時候它又起火燃燒\n518159\t538468\t這個不是我們的主委我們現在提到電動車這些相關的載具它真的是一個敬禮目標的一個交通運輸工具的趨勢那當然我們現在都知道電動大巴士也在政府的補助以及推動之下也在快速的成長\n539548\t555544\t那電動大巴士的如果說以這樣電動車的物理特性以及相關它滅火的相關的限制或者是它起火的這種特性如果說我們的運安會主委在這邊說我們這個沒有辦法沒有基礎\n557326\t577902\t這個會讓民眾憂心如果電動大巴士發生重大的交通意外事故第一個我們首先我們的調查量能就沒有第二個我們沒有無從相關的建議改善這個是一個很大的缺陷這個主委要特別去針對今年針對這種電動車相關的這種事故他的調查量能\n583226\t587110\t以及相關的法規我們必須要去進行檢討我們車輛電池安全規格\n591198\t613721\t還有消防交通等等的法規是不是要去增訂增修這個都要去討論啊以及事故發生時候的處理流程是怎樣來主委說明一下你們現在有沒有概念如果電動大巴士發生這種起火或者是重大的交通事故你們處理的流程是什麼\n615137\t631697\t其實是這樣子啦這個就我剛剛講的電動車三大部分嘛一個是電機一個是電池一個是控制嘛那麼電池的部分目前事實上你看在國外的新聞也有常常看到就是說不管是\n633478\t660032\t電動車在地下室電動車或者是電動的大巴士或什麼它起火燃燒現在全世界都在研究這個到底以電池它到底有哪些的特性它燃燒之後怎麼撲滅它那因為大家會調查是說它已經發生完了所以我們去調查但是沒有錯委員講的沒有錯我們也要知道說當時是為什麼會燃燒或什麼這個要加緊相關的因應主委你今天的說法會讓社會大眾\n663393\t688904\t會產生疑慮我們對於電動大巴士以及相關的電動車相關的事故的調查到目前的基礎非常的薄弱幾乎等於零這個會讓民眾來擔憂我們應安會應該要針對這些新興的載具加速的因應其實我記得我在質詢之後好幾年前大概五年前\n689824\t710727\t大概質詢這個相關的電動車新興載具的議題那運安會其實有去做進行調查範圍的一個修訂那這個運安會在這個過程裡面有沒有進行相關的研究這個進度會不會太慢 來說明一下 簡單說明一下\n712871\t740733\t我們還在收集資料中中確實現在還是在收集資料 進度太慢 民眾擔憂我們會加快腳步這個會讓社會大眾針對這樣的一個新興載具它電動大巴等等的這樣一個電動車無人車相關的這個交通事故的調查量能竟然是幾乎等於零 這個我們非常的擔憂你是沒有啦 就是已經開始在動了啦\n741935\t758032\t已經開始在動了這個答案真的是民眾會非常生氣我們要加緊我們的相關的這個一個調查的量以及相關的預防措施現在就要去啟動它相關的預防機制以及研究好不好是謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝我們\n","txt":"請一下林主委好 應安會林主委\n委員好 運安會是在2019年成立也即將要進入第六年了當初我們在推動運安會的一個成立從非安會提升為運安會最主要是希望能夠提升事故調查的量能也能夠提出改善的建議最重要是監督改善的一個落實\n那在相關的這樣的一個事故的發生調查的過程當然也累積了非常多的資料那這些資料不管是事故發生的資料或者是改善的相關的建議它都是日後我們改善交通安全的一個最重要的基礎資料這樣的一個基礎資料我們還是發現它有幾個問題第一個它難以查詢\n第二他是沒有進行了風險的一個因素的一個統整另外就是對於進一步資料的分析這個部分沒有落實來主委簡單說明一下我們應安會的這樣的一個基礎資料目前是不是有這樣的一個問題\n謝謝委員的指導 事實上我們才112年10月份開始就對整個事務調查常用統計圖表我們已經有增加這個功能那麼目前 目前藝術安全改善建議的這個頁面我們電腦的頁面可以選定相關條件 關鍵字就可以去查\n那我現在正在研議委員剛剛提到的動態統計儀錶板我們今年年底就要進製完成好這個目前的進度是如何這個建制這個統計的儀錶板這個在過去我們已經提出很多次的要求啊來趕快來說明啊什麼時候進入的那委員你好\n那我們大概規劃分兩年來建置那第一年像今年我們會把整個感染建議的統計數字的那個儀表板建好那明年的話就會真的委員所提的這些安全風險包括安全議題的部分也把它納入這個網站上面幫助對當然這個儀表板要納入風險的樣態分析跟政策建議的這個追蹤這個是這個儀表板最重要的功能目前你們的規劃是如何\n對我們就是其實我們會今年已經有做先期的作業像我們在委員要求我們每年頒布的這個感染建議的評估報告我們已經把這個風險分析的安全議題納入了那這個是前期的作業那因為這個前期作業完之後那才會把它納到這個網頁上呈現那這兩年我們預計明年應該可以是完成好\n那接下來我們運安會一個重要的工作除了這個儀表板的建置我想數據跟資訊的公開是下一步的關鍵那交通安全不只是運安會的一個重要的職責以及交通部重要的工作當然有很多的學者或者是民間我認為這個數據跟資訊應該要公開就是說我們這個數據儀表板\n應該要作為開放式的一個交通安全的一個資料庫那我們針對各類事故的樣態及風險分析還有系統性的風險樣態的這個分析我們要開放這個API或是資料的查詢平台讓民間跟學術研究可以使用來 主委說明一下應該是包括在裡面\n開放API這個讓民間學術能夠進一階這個是應該在裡面的這個是我們要努力推動的工作當然我們對於相關的這些基本的一個基礎的統計還有分析的系統最主要就是要統計要分析當然最重要就是改善那我們這個儀表板的建設希望能夠依照我們的一個要求要去落實\n另外我要跟主委來討論一下就是有關於我們的年度運輸安全改善的建議評估報告他有提出相關的改善建議的這個結案率\n那我們看到飛航事故前年的改善的建議結案率98.6那今年提升到99.5那公路事故83.5前年那今年已經提升到87那鐵道的事故有83.3前年結案率那今年也提升到89.6\n那水路事故呢 水路事故73.4啊 雖然略有提升但是還是有兩層啊 這個未結案 那這個部分啊來主委說明一下 為什麼還是水路事故這個部分還是有兩層沒有結案呢\n那個水路組因為他有時候他是有季節性也不能講季節性有時候在某一段時間他案子特別多的時候就感覺上他會擠在一起那人力是固定的這個理由不夠充實來水路組來說明嘛為什麼還要兩次\n他的水路的事故主要是什麼?然後未結案的這個結案率為什麼會還有兩成的差距?有關於這部分最主要是之前發生有很多案子都是涉以這個飲水作為的修訂尤其最主要是飲水法還有這個就是VTS有關於這個川某標示條例\n那這樣的一個航路標識條例那這個修法的過程比較隆長尤其是飲水法總共有40條大概已經要修了30幾條所以這一部分呢航空局已經在努力的在做那我們也積極在跟他們溝通\n這個必須要提升他的結案率這個是建議改善的結案率這個是非常重要的一個關鍵點另外我來提醒一下雲南匯就是在2020年的10月\n其實我就曾經針對無人車、電動車這些新興的載具它的運輸安全的問題,質詢過運安會當然我們知道電動車的快速增加它當然也會帶來相關的交通風險\n當然電動私人載具的快速增加是要為了達成國家的一個禁令的目標那科音業其實也要全面的電動化這是一個趨勢嘛但是它也帶來另外一種風險因為電動車的物理特性它的電動車如果發生事故其實我們在新聞已經看過很多了它起火燃燒的溫度還有它持續的時間\n比傳統的油車還要久那滅火的方式也有所限制這都是在發展電動車的過程裡面社會所注意到的相關的風險那當然我知道運安會也在起手調查有兩起的電動車的事故那運安會其實也參與過國際電動車的相關的安全會議那目前我國電動車的安全的規範\n我要請教運安會有沒有相關應該改善的建議來說明一下這一點我們就比較力不從心因為事實上為了調查電動車的事故我們也有加長訓練譬如說我們派人出國到美國警察大學佛羅里達警察大學他們有關電動車電池向外面的那種燃燒怎麼鋪面還有過照什麼\n那國內消防署他們也有關電動車起火什麼我們也去參與他們的這個有關滅火訓練等等那事實上電動車三大部分嘛電池電控電池電動電池還有那個它裡面的安全控制工程部分但是現在台灣有關電池譬如說電動車起火看起來明明是撲滅啦它過一陣子的時候它又起火燃燒\n這個不是我們的主委我們現在提到電動車這些相關的載具它真的是一個敬禮目標的一個交通運輸工具的趨勢那當然我們現在都知道電動大巴士也在政府的補助以及推動之下也在快速的成長\n那電動大巴士的如果說以這樣電動車的物理特性以及相關它滅火的相關的限制或者是它起火的這種特性如果說我們的運安會主委在這邊說我們這個沒有辦法沒有基礎\n這個會讓民眾憂心如果電動大巴士發生重大的交通意外事故第一個我們首先我們的調查量能就沒有第二個我們沒有無從相關的建議改善這個是一個很大的缺陷這個主委要特別去針對今年針對這種電動車相關的這種事故他的調查量能\n以及相關的法規我們必須要去進行檢討我們車輛電池安全規格\n還有消防交通等等的法規是不是要去增訂增修這個都要去討論啊以及事故發生時候的處理流程是怎樣來主委說明一下你們現在有沒有概念如果電動大巴士發生這種起火或者是重大的交通事故你們處理的流程是什麼\n其實是這樣子啦這個就我剛剛講的電動車三大部分嘛一個是電機一個是電池一個是控制嘛那麼電池的部分目前事實上你看在國外的新聞也有常常看到就是說不管是\n電動車在地下室電動車或者是電動的大巴士或什麼它起火燃燒現在全世界都在研究這個到底以電池它到底有哪些的特性它燃燒之後怎麼撲滅它那因為大家會調查是說它已經發生完了所以我們去調查但是沒有錯委員講的沒有錯我們也要知道說當時是為什麼會燃燒或什麼這個要加緊相關的因應主委你今天的說法會讓社會大眾\n會產生疑慮我們對於電動大巴士以及相關的電動車相關的事故的調查到目前的基礎非常的薄弱幾乎等於零這個會讓民眾來擔憂我們應安會應該要針對這些新興的載具加速的因應其實我記得我在質詢之後好幾年前大概五年前\n大概質詢這個相關的電動車新興載具的議題那運安會其實有去做進行調查範圍的一個修訂那這個運安會在這個過程裡面有沒有進行相關的研究這個進度會不會太慢 來說明一下 簡單說明一下\n我們還在收集資料中中確實現在還是在收集資料 進度太慢 民眾擔憂我們會加快腳步這個會讓社會大眾針對這樣的一個新興載具它電動大巴等等的這樣一個電動車無人車相關的這個交通事故的調查量能竟然是幾乎等於零 這個我們非常的擔憂你是沒有啦 就是已經開始在動了啦\n已經開始在動了這個答案真的是民眾會非常生氣我們要加緊我們的相關的這個一個調查的量以及相關的預防措施現在就要去啟動它相關的預防機制以及研究好不好是謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝我們\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.552 --> 00:03.651\n請一下林主委好應安會林主委\n\n00:07.709 --> 00:36.010\n委員好運安會是在2019年成立也即將要進入第六年了當初我們在推動運安會的一個成立從非安會提升為運安會最主要是希望能夠提升事故調查的量能也能夠提出改善的建議最重要是監督改善的一個落實\n\n00:37.071 --> 01:00.215\n那在相關的這樣的一個事故的發生調查的過程當然也累積了非常多的資料那這些資料不管是事故發生的資料或者是改善的相關的建議它都是日後我們改善交通安全的一個最重要的基礎資料這樣的一個基礎資料我們還是發現它有幾個問題第一個它難以查詢\n\n01:07.059 --> 01:26.090\n第二他是沒有進行了風險的一個因素的一個統整另外就是對於進一步資料的分析這個部分沒有落實來主委簡單說明一下我們應安會的這樣的一個基礎資料目前是不是有這樣的一個問題\n\n01:28.127 --> 01:46.656\n謝謝委員的指導事實上我們才112年10月份開始就對整個事務調查常用統計圖表我們已經有增加這個功能那麼目前目前藝術安全改善建議的這個頁面我們電腦的頁面可以選定相關條件關鍵字就可以去查\n\n01:47.136 --> 02:06.013\n那我現在正在研議委員剛剛提到的動態統計儀錶板我們今年年底就要進製完成好這個目前的進度是如何這個建制這個統計的儀錶板這個在過去我們已經提出很多次的要求啊來趕快來說明啊什麼時候進入的那委員你好\n\n02:08.803 --> 02:35.741\n那我們大概規劃分兩年來建置那第一年像今年我們會把整個感染建議的統計數字的那個儀表板建好那明年的話就會真的委員所提的這些安全風險包括安全議題的部分也把它納入這個網站上面幫助對當然這個儀表板要納入風險的樣態分析跟政策建議的這個追蹤這個是這個儀表板最重要的功能目前你們的規劃是如何\n\n02:36.488 --> 02:58.244\n對我們就是其實我們會今年已經有做先期的作業像我們在委員要求我們每年頒布的這個感染建議的評估報告我們已經把這個風險分析的安全議題納入了那這個是前期的作業那因為這個前期作業完之後那才會把它納到這個網頁上呈現那這兩年我們預計明年應該可以是完成好\n\n02:58.584 --> 03:19.280\n那接下來我們運安會一個重要的工作除了這個儀表板的建置我想數據跟資訊的公開是下一步的關鍵那交通安全不只是運安會的一個重要的職責以及交通部重要的工作當然有很多的學者或者是民間我認為這個數據跟資訊應該要公開就是說我們這個數據儀表板\n\n03:25.144 --> 03:49.174\n應該要作為開放式的一個交通安全的一個資料庫那我們針對各類事故的樣態及風險分析還有系統性的風險樣態的這個分析我們要開放這個API或是資料的查詢平台讓民間跟學術研究可以使用來主委說明一下應該是包括在裡面\n\n03:50.174 --> 04:17.402\n開放API這個讓民間學術能夠進一階這個是應該在裡面的這個是我們要努力推動的工作當然我們對於相關的這些基本的一個基礎的統計還有分析的系統最主要就是要統計要分析當然最重要就是改善那我們這個儀表板的建設希望能夠依照我們的一個要求要去落實\n\n04:18.402 --> 04:31.497\n另外我要跟主委來討論一下就是有關於我們的年度運輸安全改善的建議評估報告他有提出相關的改善建議的這個結案率\n\n04:33.379 --> 04:56.905\n那我們看到飛航事故前年的改善的建議結案率98.6那今年提升到99.5那公路事故83.5前年那今年已經提升到87那鐵道的事故有83.3前年結案率那今年也提升到89.6\n\n04:58.945 --> 05:16.338\n那水路事故呢水路事故73.4啊雖然略有提升但是還是有兩層啊這個未結案那這個部分啊來主委說明一下為什麼還是水路事故這個部分還是有兩層沒有結案呢\n\n05:18.372 --> 05:33.299\n那個水路組因為他有時候他是有季節性也不能講季節性有時候在某一段時間他案子特別多的時候就感覺上他會擠在一起那人力是固定的這個理由不夠充實來水路組來說明嘛為什麼還要兩次\n\n05:35.680 --> 05:58.789\n他的水路的事故主要是什麼?然後未結案的這個結案率為什麼會還有兩成的差距?有關於這部分最主要是之前發生有很多案子都是涉以這個飲水作為的修訂尤其最主要是飲水法還有這個就是VTS有關於這個川某標示條例\n\n05:59.309 --> 06:13.085\n那這樣的一個航路標識條例那這個修法的過程比較隆長尤其是飲水法總共有40條大概已經要修了30幾條所以這一部分呢航空局已經在努力的在做那我們也積極在跟他們溝通\n\n06:14.887 --> 06:26.840\n這個必須要提升他的結案率這個是建議改善的結案率這個是非常重要的一個關鍵點另外我來提醒一下雲南匯就是在2020年的10月\n\n06:30.965 --> 06:36.511\n其實我就曾經針對無人車、電動車這些新興的載具它的運輸安全的問題,質詢過運安會當然我們知道電動車的快速增加它當然也會帶來相關的交通風險\n\n06:48.204 --> 07:14.349\n當然電動私人載具的快速增加是要為了達成國家的一個禁令的目標那科音業其實也要全面的電動化這是一個趨勢嘛但是它也帶來另外一種風險因為電動車的物理特性它的電動車如果發生事故其實我們在新聞已經看過很多了它起火燃燒的溫度還有它持續的時間\n\n07:15.709 --> 07:44.236\n比傳統的油車還要久那滅火的方式也有所限制這都是在發展電動車的過程裡面社會所注意到的相關的風險那當然我知道運安會也在起手調查有兩起的電動車的事故那運安會其實也參與過國際電動車的相關的安全會議那目前我國電動車的安全的規範\n\n07:46.052 --> 08:07.523\n我要請教運安會有沒有相關應該改善的建議來說明一下這一點我們就比較力不從心因為事實上為了調查電動車的事故我們也有加長訓練譬如說我們派人出國到美國警察大學佛羅里達警察大學他們有關電動車電池向外面的那種燃燒怎麼鋪面還有過照什麼\n\n08:09.324 --> 08:36.558\n那國內消防署他們也有關電動車起火什麼我們也去參與他們的這個有關滅火訓練等等那事實上電動車三大部分嘛電池電控電池電動電池還有那個它裡面的安全控制工程部分但是現在台灣有關電池譬如說電動車起火看起來明明是撲滅啦它過一陣子的時候它又起火燃燒\n\n08:38.159 --> 08:58.468\n這個不是我們的主委我們現在提到電動車這些相關的載具它真的是一個敬禮目標的一個交通運輸工具的趨勢那當然我們現在都知道電動大巴士也在政府的補助以及推動之下也在快速的成長\n\n08:59.548 --> 09:15.544\n那電動大巴士的如果說以這樣電動車的物理特性以及相關它滅火的相關的限制或者是它起火的這種特性如果說我們的運安會主委在這邊說我們這個沒有辦法沒有基礎\n\n09:17.326 --> 09:37.902\n這個會讓民眾憂心如果電動大巴士發生重大的交通意外事故第一個我們首先我們的調查量能就沒有第二個我們沒有無從相關的建議改善這個是一個很大的缺陷這個主委要特別去針對今年針對這種電動車相關的這種事故他的調查量能\n\n09:43.226 --> 09:47.110\n以及相關的法規我們必須要去進行檢討我們車輛電池安全規格\n\n09:51.198 --> 10:13.721\n還有消防交通等等的法規是不是要去增訂增修這個都要去討論啊以及事故發生時候的處理流程是怎樣來主委說明一下你們現在有沒有概念如果電動大巴士發生這種起火或者是重大的交通事故你們處理的流程是什麼\n\n10:15.137 --> 10:31.697\n其實是這樣子啦這個就我剛剛講的電動車三大部分嘛一個是電機一個是電池一個是控制嘛那麼電池的部分目前事實上你看在國外的新聞也有常常看到就是說不管是\n\n10:33.478 --> 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