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00:03:00,314\n市主委現在重大運輸事務方委修正完之後只要是電動車的我們就不會用以前那種出來看個案現在都會調查全部會列入調查對那麼那個電動車事實上最近幾個案子的歸納出來大部分電池安全是一個很重要的問題電池安全還有駕駛操作的程序之外也是我們調查的重點對\n\n9\n00:03:02,437 --> 00:03:22,230\n駕駛的操作目前我們有列案調查的就是去年6月這一件跟今年1月這一件總共兩件那去年6月這一件已經報告已經公布了嗎去年6月的報告還沒公布\n\n10\n00:03:23,967 --> 00:03:40,243\n對,幾月會公佈?今年七月要公佈?還是年底?今年年底今年年底要公佈?是目前還沒有公佈?還沒有那我看到有一份資料怎麼你們在今年二月就已經公佈了?\n\n11\n00:03:40,816 --> 00:03:54,907\n那是事實資料報告事實資料的報告事實資料報告就是說你就現況的蒐集的資料做報告那報告完之後要做進入分析階段分析階段就經過還有一個專業小組審查會議檢視會滿繁雜的然後到最後才進入這個審查\n\n12\n00:03:59,651 --> 00:04:24,882\n是好那就是確定的一個事故的一個調查要到年底才會公布那目前因為我們也看到就是說主委也有表示就是說有關這個電動車的一個事故的調查我們會修訂就是運輸事故的調查法是不是是會修訂相關的一個法令那目前這個法令的進度是如何\n\n13\n00:04:25,799 --> 00:04:39,386\n目前還在修法中啦還沒有被修行但是沒有妨礙到我們因為因為坐在事實範圍我們已經訂定了所以沒有妨礙到我們對金融商的調查所以這個法令跟我們的這個目前在進行中的兩個案子是不會\n\n14\n00:04:40,185 --> 00:04:53,814\n我們在進行當中不會因為有一些資料的取得沒有辦法取得需要透過修法去取得應該還不至於我們也希望電動車我想也是未來可能這個\n\n15\n00:04:59,558 --> 00:05:16,949\n成長的速度應該也是會持續的一個成長因為目前就是因應整個國際這種就是減冷減碳這樣的一個趨勢我想這種測量數還是會增加所以有關在這類型的事故的調查我們也希望就是運營會這邊能夠有比較\n\n16\n00:05:20,154 --> 00:05:42,145\n多的一個就是技術跟量能來就是進行這一類的一個調查那另外我再請教就是說有關這一類因為我們這樣子的一個案例在國內也算是比較就是少所以我們不曉得說這一方面的案例我們會去國外做一個經驗的一個汲取跟交流嗎\n\n17\n00:05:44,580 --> 00:06:04,989\n我們對這個預算算是我們也蠻傷腦筋的因為我們國外要去授訓的量能就會減少我們也開始在檢討他的優先先後管理的次序人員的訓練確實也會縮短那尤其是國外你如果去開會我們因為我們運燙會\n\n18\n00:06:07,950 --> 00:06:26,227\n在國際間的這個指揮運輸安全調查這個community裡面我們算是能見度還蠻高的如果我們不能去的話那我們在國外相關重要的年度會議裡面都會對一些法規既定的一個修改我們可能就沒有辦法在第一時間參與這個是蠻遺憾的\n\n19\n00:06:28,317 --> 00:06:48,428\n是因為剛剛我們就是主委在做這個報告又報告的時候這是我看您的簡報就是你們剛剛的簡報那你有提到就是說預期的施政績效你也是分三個面向是三大區塊那其中一個深化國際合作提升我國運輸安全能見度這個是\n\n20\n00:06:50,729 --> 00:07:17,206\n很大的一個比重嘛對不對對那這樣子的話如果說我們在114年度的一個預算被刪掉了六成剩下的這樣子的一個預算數你要如何去達到你預期的一個績效可能會打折扣打折扣對我想這樣子對我們整個就是預安會的一個運作可能會有很大的一個阻礙吧\n\n21\n00:07:18,072 --> 00:07:45,597\n那會變成有時候我們要實體去參加會議我們沒有辦法出國的話就會跟對方講我們改成視訊或者是用什麼方式縮短時程或者是改變計畫的這個行程等等也蠻困擾的是就是說對於這種經驗的交流當然就是說可以透過視訊這樣的一個變通的方式那我們也看到就是說在應該是\n\n22\n00:07:48,530 --> 00:08:13,910\n今年就是我們慾安會有受邀就是參與那個日本日航的就是羽田機場的這個非安事故的一個調查我們有受邀去做這樣子的一個參與跨國性的一個事故調查如果說像這樣子的話我們這種出國旅費被刪減的話恐怕這樣子的一個協助我們可能就使不上力了\n\n23\n00:08:14,150 --> 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那麼那個電動車事實上最近幾個案子的歸納出來大部分電池安全是一個很重要的問題電池安全還有駕駛操作的程序之外也是我們調查的重點對\n182437\t202230\t駕駛的操作目前我們有列案調查的就是去年6月這一件跟今年1月這一件總共兩件那去年6月這一件已經報告已經公布了嗎去年6月的報告還沒公布\n203967\t220243\t對,幾月會公佈?今年七月要公佈?還是年底?今年年底今年年底要公佈?是目前還沒有公佈?還沒有那我看到有一份資料怎麼你們在今年二月就已經公佈了?\n220816\t234907\t那是事實資料報告事實資料的報告事實資料報告就是說你就現況的蒐集的資料做報告那報告完之後要做進入分析階段分析階段就經過還有一個專業小組審查會議檢視會滿繁雜的然後到最後才進入這個審查\n239651\t264882\t是 好 那就是確定的一個事故的一個調查要到年底才會公布那目前因為我們也看到就是說主委也有表示就是說有關這個電動車的一個事故的調查我們會修訂就是運輸事故的調查法 是不是 是會修訂相關的一個法令 那目前這個法令的進度是如何\n265799\t279386\t目前還在修法中啦 還沒有被修行但是沒有妨礙到我們因為因為坐在事實範圍我們已經訂定了所以沒有妨礙到我們對金融商的調查所以這個法令跟我們的這個目前在進行中的兩個案子是不會\n280185\t293814\t我們在進行當中不會因為有一些資料的取得沒有辦法取得需要透過修法去取得應該還不至於我們也希望電動車我想也是未來可能這個\n299558\t316949\t成長的速度應該也是會持續的一個成長因為目前就是因應整個國際這種就是減冷減碳這樣的一個趨勢我想這種測量數還是會增加所以有關在這類型的事故的調查我們也希望就是運營會這邊能夠有比較\n320154\t342145\t多的一個就是技術跟量能來就是進行這一類的一個調查那另外我再請教就是說有關這一類因為我們這樣子的一個案例在國內也算是比較就是少所以我們不曉得說這一方面的案例我們會去國外做一個經驗的一個汲取跟交流嗎\n344580\t364989\t我們對這個預算算是我們也蠻傷腦筋的因為我們國外要去授訓的量能就會減少我們也開始在檢討他的優先先後管理的次序人員的訓練確實也會縮短那尤其是國外你如果去開會我們因為我們運燙會\n367950\t386227\t在國際間的這個指揮運輸安全調查這個community裡面我們算是能見度還蠻高的如果我們不能去的話那我們在國外相關重要的年度會議裡面都會對一些法規既定的一個修改我們可能就沒有辦法在第一時間參與這個是蠻遺憾的\n388317\t408428\t是因為剛剛我們就是主委在做這個報告又報告的時候這是我看您的簡報就是你們剛剛的簡報那你有提到就是說預期的施政績效你也是分三個面向是三大區塊那其中一個深化國際合作提升我國運輸安全能見度這個是\n410729\t437206\t很大的一個比重嘛對不對對那這樣子的話如果說我們在114年度的一個預算被刪掉了六成剩下的這樣子的一個預算數你要如何去達到你預期的一個績效可能會打折扣打折扣對我想這樣子對我們整個就是預安會的一個運作可能會有很大的一個阻礙吧\n438072\t465597\t那會變成有時候我們要實體去參加會議我們沒有辦法出國的話就會跟對方講我們改成視訊或者是用什麼方式縮短時程或者是改變計畫的這個行程等等也蠻困擾的是就是說對於這種經驗的交流當然就是說可以透過視訊這樣的一個變通的方式那我們也看到就是說在應該是\n468530\t493910\t今年就是我們慾安會有受邀就是參與那個日本日航的就是羽田機場的這個非安事故的一個調查我們有受邀去做這樣子的一個參與跨國性的一個事故調查如果說像這樣子的話我們這種出國旅費被刪減的話恐怕這樣子的一個協助我們可能就使不上力了\n494150\t522846\t就會排擠我們的預算會排擠會排擠就比較可惜是所以這樣子的話對我們的運安會就是說整個運作真的是一個非常大的會有影響會有影響所以這個預算我覺得說運安會是一個非常專業的一個單位所以這個預算其實也跟相較其他的單位來看也不是非常龐大可是確實每一筆都是非常一個重要所以\n524006\t551528\t對於這樣子的一個刪減數我們也是覺得非常的一個遺憾是 我們單位的預算不多所以如果刪的那個比例雖然跟外單位比起來好像錢不多事實上比例還蠻高的比例高 可是每一項經費都是都很珍貴 每一項經費都很珍貴對你們來說就有非常那個重要謝謝委員的關心那刪了也跟動又不一樣根本毫無 毫無希望了嘛刪減就是刪減掉了啦\n553450\t557234\t謝謝吳園,謝謝好,那就,你們就是要自己要加油謝謝吳園,謝謝好,謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 請主席邀請林主委林主委\n各位早安本席在這邊也是要來關心這個電動車目前就是有關這個電動車的一個事故調查的部分那我們根據公路局的一個統計數字我們可以看到很明顯的從2018年一直到2024年這個電動車的一個登記數真的是非常明顯的一個攀升一直到去年底2024年\n這個純電車的一個統計數字已經有達到96397這個量的這個數字那當然包含就是油電混合的話就是將近11萬的這樣子的一個登記數\n所以也表示出就是說這個電動車的一個市場這個也蠻熱絡的也被接受度也蠻高的那當然就是說從這個電動車的一個使用的一個普遍性之後這個意外的事故當然就是會有看到一些案例陸續的一個發生那當然我們也很明顯的看到就是也剛剛我們那個盧委員也剛剛提到的這個\n之前的一個明星他的這個特斯拉事故著火起火之後就是引起了大家的一個注目從這一起的一個事故才引起大家在委員會有關心就是我們運安會對於這樣子的一個特斯拉的車輛這個意外事故的時候我們的調查\n是不是有那個量能那當時當然這個都還沒有那個當時運安會是回覆說針對這個部分還沒有可能還沒有去這個啟動那在大家關心之後我想這幾年就是應該一兩年的時間運安會應該有陸續針對這樣子的一個個案應該有進行去關心\n那目前就是說這樣子的案例比較少那應該比較明顯的就是最近比較重大的一個事故就是湖尾那個國道一號南下這個湖尾段還有我們今年一月份在陽明這個休息站的這兩起事故是引起社會大眾非常大的一個震驚跟注目那這兩起我們運安會是不是都已經有這個列案調查了\n市主委現在重大運輸事務方委修正完之後只要是電動車的我們就不會用以前那種出來看個案現在都會調查全部會列入調查對 那麼那個電動車事實上最近幾個案子的歸納出來大部分電池安全是一個很重要的問題電池安全還有駕駛操作的程序之外也是我們調查的重點對\n駕駛的操作目前我們有列案調查的就是去年6月這一件跟今年1月這一件總共兩件那去年6月這一件已經報告已經公布了嗎去年6月的報告還沒公布\n對,幾月會公佈?今年七月要公佈?還是年底?今年年底今年年底要公佈?是目前還沒有公佈?還沒有那我看到有一份資料怎麼你們在今年二月就已經公佈了?\n那是事實資料報告事實資料的報告事實資料報告就是說你就現況的蒐集的資料做報告那報告完之後要做進入分析階段分析階段就經過還有一個專業小組審查會議檢視會滿繁雜的然後到最後才進入這個審查\n是 好 那就是確定的一個事故的一個調查要到年底才會公布那目前因為我們也看到就是說主委也有表示就是說有關這個電動車的一個事故的調查我們會修訂就是運輸事故的調查法 是不是 是會修訂相關的一個法令 那目前這個法令的進度是如何\n目前還在修法中啦 還沒有被修行但是沒有妨礙到我們因為因為坐在事實範圍我們已經訂定了所以沒有妨礙到我們對金融商的調查所以這個法令跟我們的這個目前在進行中的兩個案子是不會\n我們在進行當中不會因為有一些資料的取得沒有辦法取得需要透過修法去取得應該還不至於我們也希望電動車我想也是未來可能這個\n成長的速度應該也是會持續的一個成長因為目前就是因應整個國際這種就是減冷減碳這樣的一個趨勢我想這種測量數還是會增加所以有關在這類型的事故的調查我們也希望就是運營會這邊能夠有比較\n多的一個就是技術跟量能來就是進行這一類的一個調查那另外我再請教就是說有關這一類因為我們這樣子的一個案例在國內也算是比較就是少所以我們不曉得說這一方面的案例我們會去國外做一個經驗的一個汲取跟交流嗎\n我們對這個預算算是我們也蠻傷腦筋的因為我們國外要去授訓的量能就會減少我們也開始在檢討他的優先先後管理的次序人員的訓練確實也會縮短那尤其是國外你如果去開會我們因為我們運燙會\n在國際間的這個指揮運輸安全調查這個community裡面我們算是能見度還蠻高的如果我們不能去的話那我們在國外相關重要的年度會議裡面都會對一些法規既定的一個修改我們可能就沒有辦法在第一時間參與這個是蠻遺憾的\n是因為剛剛我們就是主委在做這個報告又報告的時候這是我看您的簡報就是你們剛剛的簡報那你有提到就是說預期的施政績效你也是分三個面向是三大區塊那其中一個深化國際合作提升我國運輸安全能見度這個是\n很大的一個比重嘛對不對對那這樣子的話如果說我們在114年度的一個預算被刪掉了六成剩下的這樣子的一個預算數你要如何去達到你預期的一個績效可能會打折扣打折扣對我想這樣子對我們整個就是預安會的一個運作可能會有很大的一個阻礙吧\n那會變成有時候我們要實體去參加會議我們沒有辦法出國的話就會跟對方講我們改成視訊或者是用什麼方式縮短時程或者是改變計畫的這個行程等等也蠻困擾的是就是說對於這種經驗的交流當然就是說可以透過視訊這樣的一個變通的方式那我們也看到就是說在應該是\n今年就是我們慾安會有受邀就是參與那個日本日航的就是羽田機場的這個非安事故的一個調查我們有受邀去做這樣子的一個參與跨國性的一個事故調查如果說像這樣子的話我們這種出國旅費被刪減的話恐怕這樣子的一個協助我們可能就使不上力了\n就會排擠我們的預算會排擠會排擠就比較可惜是所以這樣子的話對我們的運安會就是說整個運作真的是一個非常大的會有影響會有影響所以這個預算我覺得說運安會是一個非常專業的一個單位所以這個預算其實也跟相較其他的單位來看也不是非常龐大可是確實每一筆都是非常一個重要所以\n對於這樣子的一個刪減數我們也是覺得非常的一個遺憾是 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