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00:00:39,539\n今天我們要來審查這個國家海洋科技營運中心的草案的條例當然我非常肯定因為我覺得這個是在國建國造的基礎之下非常重要的延伸因為有這個傳播實驗室建立之後我們才會有一些基礎數據才可以繼續做好我們的關鍵基礎設施那這個傳播設計能力當然也非常重要那我在這邊想要提一個接下來可能會有的風險\n\n3\n00:00:40,620 --> 00:01:02,373\n就是這個草案設置下去之後我們必須要慎防我們裡面的非常重要的機敏資訊不應該外流怎麼說呢因為我看一下其實你們一直都海委會一直都有跟像我們高雄有兩個是有海事相關的科系的學校像是中山大學高雄科技大學都有很好的交流\n\n4\n00:01:03,013 --> 00:01:25,387\n那這個當然我非常認同那可是這種合作接下來在如果是碰到相關國防相關的機密以及你們重要的基礎資訊是不是會有一些風險在這邊想要提醒就是因為接下來你們會辦理一些海洋的調查還有實驗技術的研究很多都是機密的資訊尤其是海洋地形會測數據\n\n5\n00:01:27,348 --> 00:01:45,632\n那這個未來都是我們潛艦作戰非常重要的基礎那我們到底要怎麼保障我們的數據安全呢我在這邊提一個喔因為其實你也知道說現在世界各地包括歐洲包括美國都在打擊中國的學術間諜可是我們這兩個學校啊交流的對象裡面\n\n6\n00:01:50,333 --> 00:02:19,253\n有很多中國的軍工大學那你也知道說其實我們最近才剛公告我們教育部有公告我國的大學跟中國的國防七子跟統戰部的三校總共有十個學校就是他們所謂那幾個為解放軍效力的然後研究都是為了要提供給解放軍資訊的十個統戰學校裡面我們中山大學交流的對象就有三間是本次被禁止交流的對象\n\n7\n00:02:20,730 --> 00:02:41,611\n高雄科技大學姊妹校裡面也有一間屬於中國的國防棲子也就是說接下來我們在我們這個這麼好的學校接下來跟他們進行這個海洋科學研究的交流的時候會不會有這個中國學術間諜的風險呢在這邊先請副主委回答\n\n8\n00:02:42,892 --> 00:03:04,294\n我們這個中心的人員的聘用我們非常重視特別是機敏資訊的維護所以我們未來會有一個安全的查核辦法對於這些人員的禁用的部分會有一般性的查核跟特殊查核那特殊查核的部分我們會協調安全單位一起來做協助那這些工作都是由海委會來做一個監督的工作\n\n9\n00:03:05,992 --> 00:03:25,365\n對這就是我想在這邊提醒的因為其實我們這一次我們賴總統也講得很明確嘛17項的國安的統戰因應策略裡面學術也是一個重點尤其是接下來任何的學術交流都應該要去政治化去風險化但是你也知道在中國就是軍民融合\n\n10\n00:03:26,005 --> 00:03:44,882\n他們所有的基礎科學的研究都是為了他們的解放軍在效力這個都是事實那至於說我們現在高雄的這兩所學校跟你們有這麼多的海事合作接下來如果他們繼續跟中國這些國防棋子跟他們統戰部的這幾個軍校合作\n\n11\n00:03:45,803 --> 00:04:01,472\n該怎麼辦那當然現在也已經禁止了啦那只是說接下來會不會有像這樣的風險像副主委剛剛講的就是接下來的審核就變得非常重要所以我也希望在這邊再次的提醒這是一個接下來必須要慎防的事情\n\n12\n00:04:02,572 --> 00:04:24,643\n那再來就是資安風險跟人員的訓練那我在這邊也想要提醒一件事情其實國安局今年初有公告這個去年2024年中共網駭手法的分析報告那我們去年被駭客攻擊的次數是240萬次比前年又增加了一倍那很多都是來自中共的網軍\n\n13\n00:04:25,783 --> 00:04:51,845\n那大家也知道說它這個裡面它有把類型分出來以電信業傳播的領域增長了650%交通方面是70%國防供應鏈是57%那這三大領域就是中共的網軍駭客攻擊的對象的三大領域那再來所以我也想要請教接下來我們國家海洋科技營運中心接下來成立之後\n\n14\n00:04:53,086 --> 00:05:17,293\n那我們的資通安全的標準是不是可以跟國際標準同步那因為我認為啦就是國建國造我真的非常的關心那很多基地也都在高雄那接下來這些資安的標準到底要怎麼樣做到防護以防我們接下來這麼好的傳模的實驗室這麼好的基礎資訊未來被滲透被攻擊然後甚至是被洩露該怎麼辦\n\n15\n00:05:21,855 --> 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