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00:02:34,791\n這個署長召集我們正在規劃跟策劃當中現在針對這樣子的一個課程跟訓練機制的設計是誰負責海保署還是我們自己承辦的這個組就在來規劃這些相關的課程那當然會會邀請我們的專家學者來提供我們的意見在執法上\n\n7\n00:02:35,732 --> 00:02:51,628\n對我現在要講你剛剛有講看起來有講一些方向但我總覺得好像沒有很具體因為附帶決議的內容其實是非常具體的也就是說為了充實相關執法人員這個相關的一些知識要有海洋保育知識啊巡護啊海洋野生動物的概念環境維護污染防治\n\n8\n00:02:52,248 --> 00:03:10,096\n甚至違反犯罪的偵查還有一部分原住民族嘛因為很多人關心嘛因為有原住民捕魚的問題還有生物多樣性等等的一些課程訓練時數20小時以上要定期回訓所以看起來它應該是一個完整的課表跟一個機制比如說分幾梯多少人受訓什麼時候來受訓有沒有一些比較具體像這樣子的一個這樣子的設計\n\n9\n00:03:12,813 --> 00:03:41,313\n各位報告我們有一個執法的預告是針對這個上課的內容還有課程的時數那目前已經在預告當中這是未來執法的一部分那剛剛海保署副長提到就是整個規劃的部分那我們會後也可以再提供一個資料給委員好你會後提供資料這一個啊另外一個我要講就是說這我們希望喔這個因為我想這樣的事情一定對於海委會一定也有一些新增的工作嘛就是或多或少都有些負擔這個就是大家要同力合作不要把它只是當成海保署的事情\n\n10\n00:03:41,673 --> 00:04:05,421\n那這個當然也不會因為實務上第一線是海巡啦海巡大家都知道他其實非常非常的辛苦剛剛在樓下我們海委會業務報我已經講了這個都變第二海軍了那個待遇歸待遇待遇要增加但我覺得除了待遇之外你現在立刻可以做的其實是因應這些新增的工作你應該立刻提供他強而有力的後勤資源換言之海保署這個要改變規劃的他要他不只要符合當初的精神他也要很實用\n\n11\n00:04:06,221 --> 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