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00:02:05,986\n好部長那你有提到其實像這一波美國大幅提高這個關稅你看它像對中國的製品關稅它提高到245%那一定會影響中國的鋼鐵鋁還有太陽能設備跟電動車的電池等那這些近鄰關鍵的材料那雖然好像只對中國有影響但是事實上這些原物料跟零組件\n\n7\n00:02:06,506 --> 00:02:20,803\n都是全球減碳供應鏈不可或缺的一部分那這樣子是不是會放緩我國企業對於轉型的進程或者會增加我們這些綠色轉型的成本\n\n8\n00:02:21,644 --> 00:02:43,242\n包括因為如果說以這個太陽能設備或是離岸風電的相關的設備我們是沒有中國的紅色供應鏈在裡面所以我們的這種再生能源的這個進展應該不是受到直接立即的一個衝擊但是其他的部分例如說好電動車電子等等這個就是我們未來要關注的一個焦點因為畢竟中國在這個稀土的掌握\n\n9\n00:02:43,622 --> 00:03:06,305\n或是重金屬的掌握是有一大的比例如果說全世界這個關稅起的話其實這個對我們後續這樣電池產業的衝擊會很大那這個部分我們會跟經濟部一起來寫上這個事情因為這個數據經濟部包含產發署他們會比我們敏感很多我們會尊重他們的意見來做後續的研判所以部長的意思說針對電動車電池這部分可能影響比較大\n\n10\n00:03:06,685 --> 00:03:16,436\n對其實這個因為中國扮演很大的一個稀土例如說未來的鋰電池等等這個可能都會受到一些衝擊但是這個還要觀察啦那像那這個電動車電池這些的產業它會變成會優先終止這個投資的計畫嗎\n\n11\n00:03:22,683 --> 00:03:37,771\n可能就是說第一個是會不會斷鏈全球供應鏈會不會斷鏈斷鏈之後其實這個就產生價格的一個波動這個後續的影響這個我想經濟部可能比我們會更清楚但是我覺得這樣對我們來說的話發展可能會受到一些影響\n\n12\n00:03:38,832 --> 00:03:56,592\n那像這個它這個連鎖效應會不會影響到我們整個國家的減碳工作甚至我們的減碳目標需不需要來做調整第一個是說我們認為因為我們1月23號好不容易匯集整個行政團隊還有整個我們現在正在進行匯集一個目標之後跟\n\n13\n00:03:57,193 --> 00:04:17,324\n大眾來進行溝通我們好不容易有一個目標我們這時候在改而且那個改的這個目標現在還不確定所以我們還是維持現在的一個狀況但是我們會擴大跟產業跟各界的一個溝通如果溝通我們掌握到好的數據的時候未來還有滾動調整的一個空間所以我們現在是穩定大家往前走甚至是趁這個機會轉型為最優先的目標\n\n14\n00:04:20,166 --> 00:04:34,998\n所以目前還不到調整目標的階段目前來看的話因為最後的數字還沒有出來如果最後的數字出來對產業可能活不下去了我們會配合經濟部我們會爭取預算是不是對產業有一些更好的一個輔導的方案\n\n15\n00:04:36,704 --> 00:04:57,811\n那我們下週也會舉辦這個氣候變遷委員會那是不是有機會把關稅影響到衝擊這些綠色轉型的這些事項在談判的過程中可以跟總統談一下可以爭取台美淨零排碳的合作機會像我們擔心說不要只跟美國\n\n16\n00:04:59,963 --> 00:05:25,240\n談這個買碳排高的天然氣是不是有機會擴大投資針對綠能像我們這部分可以擴大投資的機會也可以爭取發展淨零碳排的意願包委員當然這個天然氣只是一部分啦我覺得那個不是大的重點美國有很多淨零的新的科技例如說碳補儲跟風存等CCS等等或是各種新的工具我們都非常期待當然\n\n17\n00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:52,710\n川普總統對離岸風電等等會覺得說這個不重要這個其實我們也都聽到了所以我們其實在裡面應該會有一些建議當然這個都是我們的建議最後整個合作還是要看我們的國安團隊或談判團隊對美國的協商對啊因為我們希望不要只放在碳排高的天然氣上面盡量擴大投資的機會去找一些綠能把我們這個近年碳排的這些能源\n\n18\n00:05:53,550 --> 00:06:20,407\n有機會來多採購好可以可以好那部長在之前報導的時候也有提到我們有關注一下你說有評估跟行政院來爭取經費設計一套協助企業綠色轉型的方案那你也說大概目標一到兩個月就能提出來讓企業能更有提早減碳的意願那這部分我們初步的規劃有出來了嗎\n\n19\n00:06:21,147 --> 00:06:42,224\n目前還沒有只是說因為第一個我們還是要等那個關稅最後談判的結果到底誰受衝擊我們一定要因為現在的這個經費是非常的緊縮所以我們要針對受影響的為第一優先我們不希望浪費錢所以這個部分我們要等這個關稅最後談判定了哪一個產業影響最大我們就針對那個來做這個所謂的客製化的來做處理\n\n20\n00:06:45,046 --> 00:06:58,942\n所以目前還沒有但是我必須說這個是我們很關注的我們會一直緊盯的來調整來關注這個事情所以要等到關稅定案看哪個受哪個企業產業受影響比較大再來做調整這個報告委員這個兩個部分\n\n21\n00:07:00,423 --> 00:07:16,235\n一個是從我們的經貿談判部門最後的結果另外一個是我們環境部會積極的跟產業來溝通因為有時候從產業直接的市場上的溝通或是我們談判最後的溝通兩方面得到的一個結果我相信會對企業是最有用的\n\n22\n00:07:17,298 --> 00:07:40,038\n那我們剛剛都有提到美國對全球加徵關稅的影響勢必會影響到我們減碳設備跟原物料價格的連動上漲那針對這部分也會影響到企業推展綠色轉型的意願那我們是不是針對碳費的收入有沒有機會用於協助產業綠色轉型減少他們企業壓力緩衝的機會\n\n23\n00:07:44,922 --> 00:08:11,820\n因為我們現在這個就在規劃因為我們的碳費審議委員會在前幾個禮拜有開過第一次會議那下一次會議可能就要談說未來這個明年的這個如果有收到碳費之後明年的這個經費要怎麼去做使用那現在因為遇到這個關稅的這個衝擊我想這個其實是我們最關心的所以我也贊同未來兩個這個委員提到的一個綠色轉型的方案實成或是說如何幫助這個受重啟的產業他的能夠順利轉型成功\n\n24\n00:08:15,262 --> 00:08:40,580\n因為我們就擔心說因為關稅的問題會拖延影響到我國淨零減碳的進度所以這個碳費它本來就有補助相關機關執行溫室氣體減量工作的用意所以應該朝這一部分我們來擴大補助對象對受關稅影響較大的產業我們用碳費協助它推展綠色轉型的工作那也對於我們\n\n25\n00:08:41,540 --> 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因為我們希望不要只放在碳排高的天然氣上面盡量擴大投資的機會去找一些綠能把我們這個近年碳排的這些能源\n353550\t380407\t有機會來多採購好可以可以好那部長在之前報導的時候也有提到我們有關注一下你說有評估跟行政院來爭取經費設計一套協助企業綠色轉型的方案那你也說大概目標一到兩個月就能提出來讓企業能更有提早減碳的意願那這部分我們初步的規劃有出來了嗎\n381147\t402224\t目前還沒有只是說因為第一個我們還是要等那個關稅最後談判的結果到底誰受衝擊我們一定要因為現在的這個經費是非常的緊縮所以我們要針對受影響的為第一優先我們不希望浪費錢所以這個部分我們要等這個關稅最後談判定了哪一個產業影響最大我們就針對那個來做這個所謂的客製化的來做處理\n405046\t418942\t所以目前還沒有但是我必須說這個是我們很關注的我們會一直緊盯的來調整來關注這個事情所以要等到關稅定案看哪個受哪個企業產業受影響比較大再來做調整這個報告委員這個兩個部分\n420423\t436235\t一個是從我們的經貿談判部門最後的結果另外一個是我們環境部會積極的跟產業來溝通因為有時候從產業直接的市場上的溝通或是我們談判最後的溝通兩方面得到的一個結果我相信會對企業是最有用的\n437298\t460038\t那我們剛剛都有提到美國對全球加徵關稅的影響勢必會影響到我們減碳設備跟原物料價格的連動上漲那針對這部分也會影響到企業推展綠色轉型的意願那我們是不是針對碳費的收入有沒有機會用於協助產業綠色轉型減少他們企業壓力緩衝的機會\n464922\t491820\t因為我們現在這個就在規劃因為我們的碳費審議委員會在前幾個禮拜有開過第一次會議那下一次會議可能就要談說未來這個明年的這個如果有收到碳費之後明年的這個經費要怎麼去做使用那現在因為遇到這個關稅的這個衝擊我想這個其實是我們最關心的所以我也贊同未來兩個這個委員提到的一個綠色轉型的方案實成或是說如何幫助這個受重啟的產業他的能夠順利轉型成功\n495262\t520580\t因為我們就擔心說因為關稅的問題會拖延影響到我國淨零減碳的進度所以這個碳費它本來就有補助相關機關執行溫室氣體減量工作的用意所以應該朝這一部分我們來擴大補助對象對受關稅影響較大的產業我們用碳費協助它推展綠色轉型的工作那也對於我們\n521540\t534671\t環境部達成2030、2035減碳目標應該有比較大的注意吧對對 這個我們會來列入考慮但是因為這個還沒有出來等到出來有影響我們一定會做出這樣的考量對啊 因為我們希望這個碳飛能夠協助產業來做這個綠色轉型的工作對對好 謝謝部長好 謝謝委員 謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席那請我們彭部長請部長\n好 部長好那在月初美國片面宣布全球加徵關稅那我們台灣首當其衝被加徵32%雖然現在在談判期有90天的緩衝期可是仍然有10%的基本關稅\n那我也看部長在報導的時候有表示說這個對等關稅的衝擊很有可能比歐盟的西變影響還大那再加上我國跟美國近鄰轉型還有近鄰減碳的工作上有很多的合作那這一部分我們環境部的相關部門有沒有針對這影響評估有做一些報告嗎\n其實第一個是說他的關稅32到現在為止一直在滾動的在弄那可能是未來90天以內就會有新的結果那其實我們一直在關注美國新的一個政策那因為也的確委員說的都是道理就是說美國現在已經不談氣候變遷了例如說但是他會談循環經濟所以對我們環境部來說的話也是重要的一環\n所以我們會積極的是衝擊有多少像委員提到的影響的產品或是說減碳的供應鏈等等這個是我們關注的我們會一個一個來看產業的細項我們還是要等整個經濟部或是我們談判出來的結果之後一步一步的在細緻上談一下我們的衝擊大概有多少我們的確是很認真在準備這個事情\n好部長那你有提到其實像這一波美國大幅提高這個關稅你看它像對中國的製品關稅它提高到245%那一定會影響中國的鋼鐵鋁還有太陽能設備跟電動車的電池等那這些近鄰關鍵的材料那雖然好像只對中國有影響但是事實上這些原物料跟零組件\n都是全球減碳供應鏈不可或缺的一部分那這樣子是不是會放緩我國企業對於轉型的進程或者會增加我們這些綠色轉型的成本\n包括因為如果說以這個太陽能設備或是離岸風電的相關的設備我們是沒有中國的紅色供應鏈在裡面所以我們的這種再生能源的這個進展應該不是受到直接立即的一個衝擊但是其他的部分例如說好電動車電子等等這個就是我們未來要關注的一個焦點因為畢竟中國在這個稀土的掌握\n或是重金屬的掌握是有一大的比例如果說全世界這個關稅起的話其實這個對我們後續這樣電池產業的衝擊會很大那這個部分我們會跟經濟部一起來寫上這個事情因為這個數據經濟部包含產發署他們會比我們敏感很多我們會尊重他們的意見來做後續的研判所以部長的意思說針對電動車電池這部分可能影響比較大\n對其實這個因為中國扮演很大的一個稀土例如說未來的鋰電池等等這個可能都會受到一些衝擊但是這個還要觀察啦那像那這個電動車電池這些的產業它會變成會優先終止這個投資的計畫嗎\n可能就是說第一個是會不會斷鏈全球供應鏈會不會斷鏈斷鏈之後其實這個就產生價格的一個波動這個後續的影響這個我想經濟部可能比我們會更清楚但是我覺得這樣對我們來說的話發展可能會受到一些影響\n那像這個它這個連鎖效應會不會影響到我們整個國家的減碳工作甚至我們的減碳目標需不需要來做調整第一個是說我們認為因為我們1月23號好不容易匯集整個行政團隊還有整個我們現在正在進行匯集一個目標之後跟\n大眾來進行溝通我們好不容易有一個目標我們這時候在改而且那個改的這個目標現在還不確定所以我們還是維持現在的一個狀況但是我們會擴大跟產業跟各界的一個溝通如果溝通我們掌握到好的數據的時候未來還有滾動調整的一個空間所以我們現在是穩定大家往前走甚至是趁這個機會轉型為最優先的目標\n所以目前還不到調整目標的階段目前來看的話因為最後的數字還沒有出來如果最後的數字出來對產業可能活不下去了我們會配合經濟部我們會爭取預算是不是對產業有一些更好的一個輔導的方案\n那我們下週也會舉辦這個氣候變遷委員會那是不是有機會把關稅影響到衝擊這些綠色轉型的這些事項在談判的過程中可以跟總統談一下可以爭取台美淨零排碳的合作機會像我們擔心說不要只跟美國\n談這個買碳排高的天然氣是不是有機會擴大投資針對綠能像我們這部分可以擴大投資的機會也可以爭取發展淨零碳排的意願包委員當然這個天然氣只是一部分啦我覺得那個不是大的重點美國有很多淨零的新的科技例如說碳補儲跟風存等CCS等等或是各種新的工具我們都非常期待當然\n川普總統對離岸風電等等會覺得說這個不重要這個其實我們也都聽到了所以我們其實在裡面應該會有一些建議當然這個都是我們的建議最後整個合作還是要看我們的國安團隊或談判團隊對美國的協商對啊 因為我們希望不要只放在碳排高的天然氣上面盡量擴大投資的機會去找一些綠能把我們這個近年碳排的這些能源\n有機會來多採購好可以可以好那部長在之前報導的時候也有提到我們有關注一下你說有評估跟行政院來爭取經費設計一套協助企業綠色轉型的方案那你也說大概目標一到兩個月就能提出來讓企業能更有提早減碳的意願那這部分我們初步的規劃有出來了嗎\n目前還沒有只是說因為第一個我們還是要等那個關稅最後談判的結果到底誰受衝擊我們一定要因為現在的這個經費是非常的緊縮所以我們要針對受影響的為第一優先我們不希望浪費錢所以這個部分我們要等這個關稅最後談判定了哪一個產業影響最大我們就針對那個來做這個所謂的客製化的來做處理\n所以目前還沒有但是我必須說這個是我們很關注的我們會一直緊盯的來調整來關注這個事情所以要等到關稅定案看哪個受哪個企業產業受影響比較大再來做調整這個報告委員這個兩個部分\n一個是從我們的經貿談判部門最後的結果另外一個是我們環境部會積極的跟產業來溝通因為有時候從產業直接的市場上的溝通或是我們談判最後的溝通兩方面得到的一個結果我相信會對企業是最有用的\n那我們剛剛都有提到美國對全球加徵關稅的影響勢必會影響到我們減碳設備跟原物料價格的連動上漲那針對這部分也會影響到企業推展綠色轉型的意願那我們是不是針對碳費的收入有沒有機會用於協助產業綠色轉型減少他們企業壓力緩衝的機會\n因為我們現在這個就在規劃因為我們的碳費審議委員會在前幾個禮拜有開過第一次會議那下一次會議可能就要談說未來這個明年的這個如果有收到碳費之後明年的這個經費要怎麼去做使用那現在因為遇到這個關稅的這個衝擊我想這個其實是我們最關心的所以我也贊同未來兩個這個委員提到的一個綠色轉型的方案實成或是說如何幫助這個受重啟的產業他的能夠順利轉型成功\n因為我們就擔心說因為關稅的問題會拖延影響到我國淨零減碳的進度所以這個碳費它本來就有補助相關機關執行溫室氣體減量工作的用意所以應該朝這一部分我們來擴大補助對象對受關稅影響較大的產業我們用碳費協助它推展綠色轉型的工作那也對於我們\n環境部達成2030、2035減碳目標應該有比較大的注意吧對對 這個我們會來列入考慮但是因為這個還沒有出來等到出來有影響我們一定會做出這樣的考量對啊 因為我們希望這個碳飛能夠協助產業來做這個綠色轉型的工作對對好 謝謝部長好 謝謝委員 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.647 --> 00:12.771\n好謝謝主席那請我們彭部長請部長\n\n00:18.303 --> 00:33.930\n好部長好那在月初美國片面宣布全球加徵關稅那我們台灣首當其衝被加徵32%雖然現在在談判期有90天的緩衝期可是仍然有10%的基本關稅\n\n00:35.051 --> 00:57.590\n那我也看部長在報導的時候有表示說這個對等關稅的衝擊很有可能比歐盟的西變影響還大那再加上我國跟美國近鄰轉型還有近鄰減碳的工作上有很多的合作那這一部分我們環境部的相關部門有沒有針對這影響評估有做一些報告嗎\n\n00:58.851 --> 01:15.022\n其實第一個是說他的關稅32到現在為止一直在滾動的在弄那可能是未來90天以內就會有新的結果那其實我們一直在關注美國新的一個政策那因為也的確委員說的都是道理就是說美國現在已經不談氣候變遷了例如說但是他會談循環經濟所以對我們環境部來說的話也是重要的一環\n\n01:19.485 --> 01:39.186\n所以我們會積極的是衝擊有多少像委員提到的影響的產品或是說減碳的供應鏈等等這個是我們關注的我們會一個一個來看產業的細項我們還是要等整個經濟部或是我們談判出來的結果之後一步一步的在細緻上談一下我們的衝擊大概有多少我們的確是很認真在準備這個事情\n\n01:39.767 --> 02:05.986\n好部長那你有提到其實像這一波美國大幅提高這個關稅你看它像對中國的製品關稅它提高到245%那一定會影響中國的鋼鐵鋁還有太陽能設備跟電動車的電池等那這些近鄰關鍵的材料那雖然好像只對中國有影響但是事實上這些原物料跟零組件\n\n02:06.506 --> 02:20.803\n都是全球減碳供應鏈不可或缺的一部分那這樣子是不是會放緩我國企業對於轉型的進程或者會增加我們這些綠色轉型的成本\n\n02:21.644 --> 02:43.242\n包括因為如果說以這個太陽能設備或是離岸風電的相關的設備我們是沒有中國的紅色供應鏈在裡面所以我們的這種再生能源的這個進展應該不是受到直接立即的一個衝擊但是其他的部分例如說好電動車電子等等這個就是我們未來要關注的一個焦點因為畢竟中國在這個稀土的掌握\n\n02:43.622 --> 03:06.305\n或是重金屬的掌握是有一大的比例如果說全世界這個關稅起的話其實這個對我們後續這樣電池產業的衝擊會很大那這個部分我們會跟經濟部一起來寫上這個事情因為這個數據經濟部包含產發署他們會比我們敏感很多我們會尊重他們的意見來做後續的研判所以部長的意思說針對電動車電池這部分可能影響比較大\n\n03:06.685 --> 03:16.436\n對其實這個因為中國扮演很大的一個稀土例如說未來的鋰電池等等這個可能都會受到一些衝擊但是這個還要觀察啦那像那這個電動車電池這些的產業它會變成會優先終止這個投資的計畫嗎\n\n03:22.683 --> 03:37.771\n可能就是說第一個是會不會斷鏈全球供應鏈會不會斷鏈斷鏈之後其實這個就產生價格的一個波動這個後續的影響這個我想經濟部可能比我們會更清楚但是我覺得這樣對我們來說的話發展可能會受到一些影響\n\n03:38.832 --> 03:56.592\n那像這個它這個連鎖效應會不會影響到我們整個國家的減碳工作甚至我們的減碳目標需不需要來做調整第一個是說我們認為因為我們1月23號好不容易匯集整個行政團隊還有整個我們現在正在進行匯集一個目標之後跟\n\n03:57.193 --> 04:17.324\n大眾來進行溝通我們好不容易有一個目標我們這時候在改而且那個改的這個目標現在還不確定所以我們還是維持現在的一個狀況但是我們會擴大跟產業跟各界的一個溝通如果溝通我們掌握到好的數據的時候未來還有滾動調整的一個空間所以我們現在是穩定大家往前走甚至是趁這個機會轉型為最優先的目標\n\n04:20.166 --> 04:34.998\n所以目前還不到調整目標的階段目前來看的話因為最後的數字還沒有出來如果最後的數字出來對產業可能活不下去了我們會配合經濟部我們會爭取預算是不是對產業有一些更好的一個輔導的方案\n\n04:36.704 --> 04:57.811\n那我們下週也會舉辦這個氣候變遷委員會那是不是有機會把關稅影響到衝擊這些綠色轉型的這些事項在談判的過程中可以跟總統談一下可以爭取台美淨零排碳的合作機會像我們擔心說不要只跟美國\n\n04:59.963 --> 05:25.240\n談這個買碳排高的天然氣是不是有機會擴大投資針對綠能像我們這部分可以擴大投資的機會也可以爭取發展淨零碳排的意願包委員當然這個天然氣只是一部分啦我覺得那個不是大的重點美國有很多淨零的新的科技例如說碳補儲跟風存等CCS等等或是各種新的工具我們都非常期待當然\n\n05:25.800 --> 05:52.710\n川普總統對離岸風電等等會覺得說這個不重要這個其實我們也都聽到了所以我們其實在裡面應該會有一些建議當然這個都是我們的建議最後整個合作還是要看我們的國安團隊或談判團隊對美國的協商對啊因為我們希望不要只放在碳排高的天然氣上面盡量擴大投資的機會去找一些綠能把我們這個近年碳排的這些能源\n\n05:53.550 --> 06:20.407\n有機會來多採購好可以可以好那部長在之前報導的時候也有提到我們有關注一下你說有評估跟行政院來爭取經費設計一套協助企業綠色轉型的方案那你也說大概目標一到兩個月就能提出來讓企業能更有提早減碳的意願那這部分我們初步的規劃有出來了嗎\n\n06:21.147 --> 06:42.224\n目前還沒有只是說因為第一個我們還是要等那個關稅最後談判的結果到底誰受衝擊我們一定要因為現在的這個經費是非常的緊縮所以我們要針對受影響的為第一優先我們不希望浪費錢所以這個部分我們要等這個關稅最後談判定了哪一個產業影響最大我們就針對那個來做這個所謂的客製化的來做處理\n\n06:45.046 --> 06:58.942\n所以目前還沒有但是我必須說這個是我們很關注的我們會一直緊盯的來調整來關注這個事情所以要等到關稅定案看哪個受哪個企業產業受影響比較大再來做調整這個報告委員這個兩個部分\n\n07:00.423 --> 07:16.235\n一個是從我們的經貿談判部門最後的結果另外一個是我們環境部會積極的跟產業來溝通因為有時候從產業直接的市場上的溝通或是我們談判最後的溝通兩方面得到的一個結果我相信會對企業是最有用的\n\n07:17.298 --> 07:40.038\n那我們剛剛都有提到美國對全球加徵關稅的影響勢必會影響到我們減碳設備跟原物料價格的連動上漲那針對這部分也會影響到企業推展綠色轉型的意願那我們是不是針對碳費的收入有沒有機會用於協助產業綠色轉型減少他們企業壓力緩衝的機會\n\n07:44.922 --> 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