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00:02:33,973\n副人事長所以我們如果今天要用同樣的業務如果在海委會覺得說我需要有這些業務然後我的其實我可以用的員額人數更多將近600人是吧\n\n8\n00:02:36,094 --> 00:02:54,090\n謝謝委員提示那我跟委員報告一下因為他這個差了590幾人是因為海巡署跟海委會他有提報海巡特考高補考試的職缺那這個部分每年都有固定的考試那我們在今年114年2月的時候因為海巡署他有那個增建造艦的計畫\n\n9\n00:02:56,412 --> 00:03:13,202\n這個部分因為建跨要交了所以接下來我們依照他每一條船應該配置多少人這部分還有核定增加原格海巡署海委會未來他們會再提就這些人的規劃再提報海巡特考的人員進去所以這個等於是說考試前的\n\n10\n00:03:15,043 --> 00:03:40,303\n所以這個意思是說因為你要補足假如說你要補足這將近六百人他們需要考試但是如果你到這個中心的話就不需要考試是吧因為這兩個是不同的身份屬性兩個是不同這邊的是屬於海巡的基本上就是等於是公務員那那個是行政法人所自己禁用的那他們的要求資格等等那兩個是不一樣完全不一樣\n\n11\n00:03:40,663 --> 00:03:58,588\n好可是問題是說當我們成立行政法人我們就要去看就是原來這個行政法人他的業務到底我原來海委會或者我原來海委會所成立的其他的行政法人他的業務有沒有涵蓋好我們來看一下\n\n12\n00:04:00,118 --> 00:04:07,163\n這裡面就是有沒有業務重疊的地方譬如講你現在國家海洋科技營運中心你們現在有所謂的八大業務但是我們海委會還成立了\n\n13\n00:04:16,329 --> 00:04:36,864\n包含的這個就是海洋研究院還有我們國家實驗研究院的台灣海洋科技研究中心所以如果我們去對比一下相關的業務按照你們的八大業務裡面起碼有很多的業務事實上包含國家海洋研究院\n\n14\n00:04:37,685 --> 00:04:56,583\n或者是我們國家實驗研究院的海洋科技研究中心或者是我們國家研究院的船舶及海洋產業研發中心等等也都有相關的業務所以我想請教的就是\n\n15\n00:04:57,970 --> 00:05:08,277\n我們所要發展的這些業務沒有不好但是它中間有沒有一再的成立行政法人而讓他的業務有跌床架屋的一個問題因為我剛剛特別講一個原額100人的我們這個中心\n\n16\n00:05:16,463 --> 00:05:38,422\n那未來一年都要花到三億六那事實上你去看我們現在的行政中心我們現在很多的行政法人中心幾乎大家都沒有什麼自籌的能力雖然說有一些自償有些你可以募款或者是你甚至可以舉債但舉債也一定要有自償性所以我們成立越來越多的所謂的行政法人\n\n17\n00:05:40,484 --> 00:06:07,892\n那過去所詬病的就是成立行政法人之後他用的錢是誰的錢仍然是公務預算他並不會因此他自己有我們不要說他有什麼變成金積母啦他至少要自給自足也沒有絕大部分的行政法人都沒有自給自足的能力他全部用的是公務預算好那如果他的業務有其特殊性必要性我們覺得也OK可是如果按照這個業務來看的話這八大業務\n\n18\n00:06:10,373 --> 00:06:28,163\n那你的那個國家海洋研究院呢還有國家實驗研究院也都有這些業務啊那我請問一下原來的行政法人你也沒有裁撤啊你也沒有裁撤然後每天生一些新的業務然後說我必須要再增加這些業務一年要花掉3億6每一次我們在講說我們有一個法條他就會出來說我們這個有沒有裁員呢這個裁員來自哪裡啊對不對\n\n19\n00:06:40,129 --> 00:07:08,691\n一年316也不是一個小數字啊而且是原本100人所以這個有關業務重疊的部分那個副主委有沒有說法經費的部分不會年年因為等到我們自主營運之後呢未來有一些受託的業務呢也可以增加收入的來源會降低政府的這樣子的經費的意志那你預估未來316有多少他是可以自籌的可以告訴我們成立一個新的中心財務規劃非常非常重要\n\n20\n00:07:09,111 --> 00:07:25,504\n好那一年3億6那麼有多少的經費可以來自於自籌這個都留紀錄喔我剛剛是講說會逐年的可以來降低政府的這個預祝的一個經費然後詳細的估算的部分當然那個國海院那邊他會去做一個整理這樣不行喔對我意思就是說\n\n21\n00:07:26,525 --> 00:07:52,014\n我們現在政府因為不管是有一些新的機構成立或者是尤其這個行政法人我覺得未來其實在財務的部分要有一個比較嚴謹的估算不然你跟我講說每個要成立的時候都說我們一定會想辦法自籌財源我們一定會想辦法來降低我們公務預算的這個負擔可是後來不但沒有降低有的還越來越多\n\n22\n00:07:53,254 --> 00:08:11,679\n是不是所以我在這邊希望你們可以用最短的時間至少一個禮拜的時間能夠把你們有關於未來的財務規劃比較詳細的資料提供給包含我們的內政委員會跟我們司法法治委員會可以嗎可不可以兩個禮拜\n\n23\n00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:35,348\n兩個禮拜可以啊因為我覺得這個時間我希望你們提出來的是因為提出來它未來就是我們可以去追蹤考核的嘛不然每個人都是這樣子嘛想要成立成立之後你也關不掉啊所以我剛才講啊請你們也好好去研究啊跟其他的國史院也好或者這個海洋研究院也好\n\n24\n00:08:35,828 --> 00:08:41,493\n妳有沒有跌床架屋的地方呢有沒有其他地方它原額可以刪減呢不然我們養人養人再養人養了一些人兩個業務也差不多是要打架嗎還是大家要互別苗頭呢是不是因為\n\n25\n00:08:51,822 --> 00:09:11,333\n國家政府的資源有限這些業務我都承認它是重要的可是同樣的業務有三組人馬在做那就是不對的那就叫做沒有效率那說到更難聽一點大家會覺得說你們是不是要去酬庸啊都會有這樣的質疑好不好\n\n26\n00:09:11,633 --> 00:09:38,848\n好這個業務會不會重置的部分事實上我們都一直有在盤點而且我們也知道很多委員都關切這個議題那我們這個海科中心事實上對於這個調查船整體包括我們未來4000噸的這個調查船這個是其他的中心所沒有的然後我們的國家船模實驗室未來的營運這個也是其他的中心所沒有的包括那個國科會下屬的這個這個實驗院的這個中心的部分它主要是佛大學跟學術單位啦所以\n\n27\n00:09:40,089 --> 00:09:53,880\n我們都有去盤點這些不要去重置這個資源那這個對於國家的整個關鍵核心技術包括這些船模實驗的本土化是非常重要的一個旅程好我跟你講我就在講我沒有說這業務不重要好那你這兩個禮拜請給我\n\n28\n00:09:55,802 --> 00:10:05,025\n比如說你海洋調查及實驗技術之研究開發是你第一個業務嗎對不對可是問題是海洋研究院也有同樣業務那請問這兩個業務有什麼不同可不可以告訴我一下譬如說國家海洋調查船的營運管理這麼重要重要\n\n29\n00:10:12,648 --> 00:10:37,764\n好那可是問題是國家海洋研究院船舶機海洋產業研發中心也有同樣的業務那你們兩個業務兩個單位的業務又有什麼不一樣呢好不好你這兩個禮拜可以把這個業務有沒有重疊有沒有疊床架屋的問題也能幫忙釐清好不好我們提供報告然後做一個比較詳細的說明美我跟你講真的一年316我總是希望我們的錢花在刀口上好不好好好謝謝好謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4431\t14114\t好謝謝主席我請我們吳副主委有請吳副主委還有我們的副人事長副人事長委員好副主委好副人事長好請問一下我們這個海洋科技營運中心請問一下未來我們成立的話一年的預算會是多少錢\n32983\t59631\t目前預估115年下半年會需要到6000萬的經費然後116年大概3億116到118大概差不多3億左右所以正常的話因為你這個115年是因為下半年成立所以正常的話一年的預算是超過3億對不對好那我請問一下那麼請問一下我們的中興的原額原額預估原額是多少\n60287\t79476\t一百人一百人所以未來是一個一百人的原額的業務然後一年要花到三億我看到資料是甚至一七一八是要花到三億六對不對那這個部分這個錢預算是主要是由公務支出嗎\n80416\t89366\t主要是公務支出所以我們把它可以視為是未來我們政府要負擔一年大概3億6一個100元額的一個中心好 我再請教一下我們現在海委會的員額屬於警察文職人員的部分\n100679\t113786\t現在我們看到的資料預算原額是4248人現有的原額人數是3653人所以呢事實上我們現在不足原來的預算原額對吧對還沒有全部進行\n116718\t127863\t好 所以如果按照這個數字來看的話我們海委會其實如果我們要充實我們相關的業務要充實我們相關的員額其實我們並沒有到頂我們還有差額大概將近600人將近600人所以\n138533\t153973\t副人事長所以我們如果今天要用同樣的業務如果在海委會覺得說我需要有這些業務然後我的其實我可以用的員額人數更多將近600人是吧\n156094\t174090\t謝謝委員提示那我跟委員報告一下因為他這個差了590幾人是因為海巡署跟海委會他有提報海巡特考高補考試的職缺那這個部分每年都有固定的考試那我們在今年114年2月的時候因為海巡署他有那個增建造艦的計畫\n176412\t193202\t這個部分因為建跨要交了所以接下來我們依照他每一條船應該配置多少人這部分還有核定增加原格海巡署海委會未來他們會再提就這些人的規劃再提報海巡特考的人員進去所以這個等於是說考試前的\n195043\t220303\t所以這個意思是說因為你要補足假如說你要補足這將近六百人他們需要考試但是如果你到這個中心的話就不需要考試是吧因為這兩個是不同的身份屬性兩個是不同這邊的是屬於海巡的基本上就是等於是公務員那那個是行政法人所自己禁用的那他們的要求資格等等那兩個是不一樣完全不一樣\n220663\t238588\t好可是問題是說當我們成立行政法人我們就要去看就是原來這個行政法人他的業務到底我原來海委會或者我原來海委會所成立的其他的行政法人他的業務有沒有涵蓋好我們來看一下\n240118\t247163\t這裡面就是有沒有業務重疊的地方譬如講你現在國家海洋科技營運中心你們現在有所謂的八大業務但是我們海委會還成立了\n256329\t276864\t包含的這個就是海洋研究院還有我們國家實驗研究院的台灣海洋科技研究中心所以如果我們去對比一下相關的業務按照你們的八大業務裡面起碼有很多的業務事實上包含國家海洋研究院\n277685\t296583\t或者是我們國家實驗研究院的海洋科技研究中心或者是我們國家研究院的船舶及海洋產業研發中心等等也都有相關的業務所以我想請教的就是\n297970\t308277\t我們所要發展的這些業務沒有不好但是它中間有沒有一再的成立行政法人而讓他的業務有跌床架屋的一個問題因為我剛剛特別講一個原額100人的我們這個中心\n316463\t338422\t那未來一年都要花到三億六那事實上你去看我們現在的行政中心我們現在很多的行政法人中心幾乎大家都沒有什麼自籌的能力雖然說有一些自償 有些你可以募款或者是你甚至可以舉債 但舉債也一定要有自償性所以我們成立越來越多的所謂的行政法人\n340484\t367892\t那過去所詬病的就是成立行政法人之後他用的錢是誰的錢 仍然是公務預算他並不會因此他自己有我們不要說他有什麼變成金積母啦他至少要自給自足 也沒有絕大部分的行政法人都沒有自給自足的能力他全部用的是公務預算好 那如果他的業務有其特殊性必要性 我們覺得也OK可是如果按照這個業務來看的話這八大業務\n370373\t388163\t那你的那個國家海洋研究院呢還有國家實驗研究院也都有這些業務啊那我請問一下原來的行政法人你也沒有裁撤啊你也沒有裁撤然後每天生一些新的業務然後說我必須要再增加這些業務一年要花掉3億6每一次我們在講說我們有一個法條他就會出來說我們這個有沒有裁員呢這個裁員來自哪裡啊對不對\n400129\t428691\t一年316也不是一個小數字啊而且是原本100人所以這個有關業務重疊的部分那個副主委有沒有說法經費的部分不會年年因為等到我們自主營運之後呢未來有一些受託的業務呢也可以增加收入的來源會降低政府的這樣子的經費的意志那你預估未來316有多少他是可以自籌的可以告訴我們成立一個新的中心財務規劃非常非常重要\n429111\t445504\t好 那一年3億6那麼有多少的經費可以來自於自籌這個都留紀錄喔我剛剛是講說會逐年的可以來降低政府的這個預祝的一個經費然後詳細的估算的部分當然那個國海院那邊他會去做一個整理這樣不行喔對我意思就是說\n446525\t472014\t我們現在政府因為不管是有一些新的機構成立或者是尤其這個行政法人我覺得未來其實在財務的部分要有一個比較嚴謹的估算不然你跟我講說每個要成立的時候都說我們一定會想辦法自籌財源我們一定會想辦法來降低我們公務預算的這個負擔可是後來不但沒有降低有的還越來越多\n473254\t491679\t是不是所以我在這邊希望你們可以用最短的時間至少一個禮拜的時間能夠把你們有關於未來的財務規劃比較詳細的資料提供給包含我們的內政委員會跟我們司法法治委員會可以嗎可不可以兩個禮拜\n494040\t515348\t兩個禮拜可以啊因為我覺得這個時間我希望你們提出來的是因為提出來它未來就是我們可以去追蹤考核的嘛不然每個人都是這樣子嘛想要成立成立之後你也關不掉啊所以我剛才講啊請你們也好好去研究啊跟其他的國史院也好或者這個海洋研究院也好\n515828\t521493\t妳有沒有跌床架屋的地方呢有沒有其他地方 它原額可以刪減呢不然我們養人 養人 再養人養了一些人 兩個業務也差不多是要打架嗎 還是大家要互別苗頭呢是不是 因為\n531822\t551333\t國家政府的資源有限這些業務我都承認它是重要的可是同樣的業務有三組人馬在做那就是不對的那就叫做沒有效率那說到更難聽一點大家會覺得說你們是不是要去酬庸啊都會有這樣的質疑好不好\n551633\t578848\t好 這個業務會不會重置的部分事實上我們都一直有在盤點而且我們也知道很多委員都關切這個議題那我們這個海科中心事實上對於這個調查船整體包括我們未來4000噸的這個調查船這個是其他的中心所沒有的然後我們的國家船模實驗室未來的營運這個也是其他的中心所沒有的包括那個國科會下屬的這個這個實驗院的這個中心的部分它主要是佛大學跟學術單位啦 所以\n580089\t593880\t我們都有去盤點這些不要去重置這個資源那這個對於國家的整個關鍵核心技術包括這些船模實驗的本土化是非常重要的一個旅程好 我跟你講我就在講我沒有說這業務不重要好 那你這兩個禮拜請給我\n595802\t605025\t比如說你海洋調查及實驗技術之研究開發是你第一個業務嗎對不對可是問題是海洋研究院也有同樣業務那請問這兩個業務有什麼不同可不可以告訴我一下譬如說國家海洋調查船的營運管理這麼重要重要\n612648\t637764\t好 那可是問題是國家海洋研究院 船舶機海洋產業研發中心也有同樣的業務那你們兩個業務 兩個單位的業務又有什麼不一樣呢好不好 你這兩個禮拜可以把這個業務有沒有重疊有沒有疊床架屋的問題也能幫忙釐清好不好我們提供報告 然後做一個比較詳細的說明美 我跟你講 真的一年316 我總是希望我們的錢花在刀口上好不好 好好 謝謝好 謝謝委員\n","txt":"好謝謝主席我請我們吳副主委有請吳副主委還有我們的副人事長副人事長委員好副主委好副人事長好請問一下我們這個海洋科技營運中心請問一下未來我們成立的話一年的預算會是多少錢\n目前預估115年下半年會需要到6000萬的經費然後116年大概3億116到118大概差不多3億左右所以正常的話因為你這個115年是因為下半年成立所以正常的話一年的預算是超過3億對不對好那我請問一下那麼請問一下我們的中興的原額原額預估原額是多少\n一百人一百人所以未來是一個一百人的原額的業務然後一年要花到三億我看到資料是甚至一七一八是要花到三億六對不對那這個部分這個錢預算是主要是由公務支出嗎\n主要是公務支出所以我們把它可以視為是未來我們政府要負擔一年大概3億6一個100元額的一個中心好 我再請教一下我們現在海委會的員額屬於警察文職人員的部分\n現在我們看到的資料預算原額是4248人現有的原額人數是3653人所以呢事實上我們現在不足原來的預算原額對吧對還沒有全部進行\n好 所以如果按照這個數字來看的話我們海委會其實如果我們要充實我們相關的業務要充實我們相關的員額其實我們並沒有到頂我們還有差額大概將近600人將近600人所以\n副人事長所以我們如果今天要用同樣的業務如果在海委會覺得說我需要有這些業務然後我的其實我可以用的員額人數更多將近600人是吧\n謝謝委員提示那我跟委員報告一下因為他這個差了590幾人是因為海巡署跟海委會他有提報海巡特考高補考試的職缺那這個部分每年都有固定的考試那我們在今年114年2月的時候因為海巡署他有那個增建造艦的計畫\n這個部分因為建跨要交了所以接下來我們依照他每一條船應該配置多少人這部分還有核定增加原格海巡署海委會未來他們會再提就這些人的規劃再提報海巡特考的人員進去所以這個等於是說考試前的\n所以這個意思是說因為你要補足假如說你要補足這將近六百人他們需要考試但是如果你到這個中心的話就不需要考試是吧因為這兩個是不同的身份屬性兩個是不同這邊的是屬於海巡的基本上就是等於是公務員那那個是行政法人所自己禁用的那他們的要求資格等等那兩個是不一樣完全不一樣\n好可是問題是說當我們成立行政法人我們就要去看就是原來這個行政法人他的業務到底我原來海委會或者我原來海委會所成立的其他的行政法人他的業務有沒有涵蓋好我們來看一下\n這裡面就是有沒有業務重疊的地方譬如講你現在國家海洋科技營運中心你們現在有所謂的八大業務但是我們海委會還成立了\n包含的這個就是海洋研究院還有我們國家實驗研究院的台灣海洋科技研究中心所以如果我們去對比一下相關的業務按照你們的八大業務裡面起碼有很多的業務事實上包含國家海洋研究院\n或者是我們國家實驗研究院的海洋科技研究中心或者是我們國家研究院的船舶及海洋產業研發中心等等也都有相關的業務所以我想請教的就是\n我們所要發展的這些業務沒有不好但是它中間有沒有一再的成立行政法人而讓他的業務有跌床架屋的一個問題因為我剛剛特別講一個原額100人的我們這個中心\n那未來一年都要花到三億六那事實上你去看我們現在的行政中心我們現在很多的行政法人中心幾乎大家都沒有什麼自籌的能力雖然說有一些自償 有些你可以募款或者是你甚至可以舉債 但舉債也一定要有自償性所以我們成立越來越多的所謂的行政法人\n那過去所詬病的就是成立行政法人之後他用的錢是誰的錢 仍然是公務預算他並不會因此他自己有我們不要說他有什麼變成金積母啦他至少要自給自足 也沒有絕大部分的行政法人都沒有自給自足的能力他全部用的是公務預算好 那如果他的業務有其特殊性必要性 我們覺得也OK可是如果按照這個業務來看的話這八大業務\n那你的那個國家海洋研究院呢還有國家實驗研究院也都有這些業務啊那我請問一下原來的行政法人你也沒有裁撤啊你也沒有裁撤然後每天生一些新的業務然後說我必須要再增加這些業務一年要花掉3億6每一次我們在講說我們有一個法條他就會出來說我們這個有沒有裁員呢這個裁員來自哪裡啊對不對\n一年316也不是一個小數字啊而且是原本100人所以這個有關業務重疊的部分那個副主委有沒有說法經費的部分不會年年因為等到我們自主營運之後呢未來有一些受託的業務呢也可以增加收入的來源會降低政府的這樣子的經費的意志那你預估未來316有多少他是可以自籌的可以告訴我們成立一個新的中心財務規劃非常非常重要\n好 那一年3億6那麼有多少的經費可以來自於自籌這個都留紀錄喔我剛剛是講說會逐年的可以來降低政府的這個預祝的一個經費然後詳細的估算的部分當然那個國海院那邊他會去做一個整理這樣不行喔對我意思就是說\n我們現在政府因為不管是有一些新的機構成立或者是尤其這個行政法人我覺得未來其實在財務的部分要有一個比較嚴謹的估算不然你跟我講說每個要成立的時候都說我們一定會想辦法自籌財源我們一定會想辦法來降低我們公務預算的這個負擔可是後來不但沒有降低有的還越來越多\n是不是所以我在這邊希望你們可以用最短的時間至少一個禮拜的時間能夠把你們有關於未來的財務規劃比較詳細的資料提供給包含我們的內政委員會跟我們司法法治委員會可以嗎可不可以兩個禮拜\n兩個禮拜可以啊因為我覺得這個時間我希望你們提出來的是因為提出來它未來就是我們可以去追蹤考核的嘛不然每個人都是這樣子嘛想要成立成立之後你也關不掉啊所以我剛才講啊請你們也好好去研究啊跟其他的國史院也好或者這個海洋研究院也好\n妳有沒有跌床架屋的地方呢有沒有其他地方 它原額可以刪減呢不然我們養人 養人 再養人養了一些人 兩個業務也差不多是要打架嗎 還是大家要互別苗頭呢是不是 因為\n國家政府的資源有限這些業務我都承認它是重要的可是同樣的業務有三組人馬在做那就是不對的那就叫做沒有效率那說到更難聽一點大家會覺得說你們是不是要去酬庸啊都會有這樣的質疑好不好\n好 這個業務會不會重置的部分事實上我們都一直有在盤點而且我們也知道很多委員都關切這個議題那我們這個海科中心事實上對於這個調查船整體包括我們未來4000噸的這個調查船這個是其他的中心所沒有的然後我們的國家船模實驗室未來的營運這個也是其他的中心所沒有的包括那個國科會下屬的這個這個實驗院的這個中心的部分它主要是佛大學跟學術單位啦 所以\n我們都有去盤點這些不要去重置這個資源那這個對於國家的整個關鍵核心技術包括這些船模實驗的本土化是非常重要的一個旅程好 我跟你講我就在講我沒有說這業務不重要好 那你這兩個禮拜請給我\n比如說你海洋調查及實驗技術之研究開發是你第一個業務嗎對不對可是問題是海洋研究院也有同樣業務那請問這兩個業務有什麼不同可不可以告訴我一下譬如說國家海洋調查船的營運管理這麼重要重要\n好 那可是問題是國家海洋研究院 船舶機海洋產業研發中心也有同樣的業務那你們兩個業務 兩個單位的業務又有什麼不一樣呢好不好 你這兩個禮拜可以把這個業務有沒有重疊有沒有疊床架屋的問題也能幫忙釐清好不好我們提供報告 然後做一個比較詳細的說明美 我跟你講 真的一年316 我總是希望我們的錢花在刀口上好不好 好好 謝謝好 謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.431 --> 00:14.114\n好謝謝主席我請我們吳副主委有請吳副主委還有我們的副人事長副人事長委員好副主委好副人事長好請問一下我們這個海洋科技營運中心請問一下未來我們成立的話一年的預算會是多少錢\n\n00:32.983 --> 00:59.631\n目前預估115年下半年會需要到6000萬的經費然後116年大概3億116到118大概差不多3億左右所以正常的話因為你這個115年是因為下半年成立所以正常的話一年的預算是超過3億對不對好那我請問一下那麼請問一下我們的中興的原額原額預估原額是多少\n\n01:00.287 --> 01:19.476\n一百人一百人所以未來是一個一百人的原額的業務然後一年要花到三億我看到資料是甚至一七一八是要花到三億六對不對那這個部分這個錢預算是主要是由公務支出嗎\n\n01:20.416 --> 01:29.366\n主要是公務支出所以我們把它可以視為是未來我們政府要負擔一年大概3億6一個100元額的一個中心好我再請教一下我們現在海委會的員額屬於警察文職人員的部分\n\n01:40.679 --> 01:53.786\n現在我們看到的資料預算原額是4248人現有的原額人數是3653人所以呢事實上我們現在不足原來的預算原額對吧對還沒有全部進行\n\n01:56.718 --> 02:07.863\n好所以如果按照這個數字來看的話我們海委會其實如果我們要充實我們相關的業務要充實我們相關的員額其實我們並沒有到頂我們還有差額大概將近600人將近600人所以\n\n02:18.533 --> 02:33.973\n副人事長所以我們如果今天要用同樣的業務如果在海委會覺得說我需要有這些業務然後我的其實我可以用的員額人數更多將近600人是吧\n\n02:36.094 --> 02:54.090\n謝謝委員提示那我跟委員報告一下因為他這個差了590幾人是因為海巡署跟海委會他有提報海巡特考高補考試的職缺那這個部分每年都有固定的考試那我們在今年114年2月的時候因為海巡署他有那個增建造艦的計畫\n\n02:56.412 --> 03:13.202\n這個部分因為建跨要交了所以接下來我們依照他每一條船應該配置多少人這部分還有核定增加原格海巡署海委會未來他們會再提就這些人的規劃再提報海巡特考的人員進去所以這個等於是說考試前的\n\n03:15.043 --> 03:40.303\n所以這個意思是說因為你要補足假如說你要補足這將近六百人他們需要考試但是如果你到這個中心的話就不需要考試是吧因為這兩個是不同的身份屬性兩個是不同這邊的是屬於海巡的基本上就是等於是公務員那那個是行政法人所自己禁用的那他們的要求資格等等那兩個是不一樣完全不一樣\n\n03:40.663 --> 03:58.588\n好可是問題是說當我們成立行政法人我們就要去看就是原來這個行政法人他的業務到底我原來海委會或者我原來海委會所成立的其他的行政法人他的業務有沒有涵蓋好我們來看一下\n\n04:00.118 --> 04:07.163\n這裡面就是有沒有業務重疊的地方譬如講你現在國家海洋科技營運中心你們現在有所謂的八大業務但是我們海委會還成立了\n\n04:16.329 --> 04:36.864\n包含的這個就是海洋研究院還有我們國家實驗研究院的台灣海洋科技研究中心所以如果我們去對比一下相關的業務按照你們的八大業務裡面起碼有很多的業務事實上包含國家海洋研究院\n\n04:37.685 --> 04:56.583\n或者是我們國家實驗研究院的海洋科技研究中心或者是我們國家研究院的船舶及海洋產業研發中心等等也都有相關的業務所以我想請教的就是\n\n04:57.970 --> 05:08.277\n我們所要發展的這些業務沒有不好但是它中間有沒有一再的成立行政法人而讓他的業務有跌床架屋的一個問題因為我剛剛特別講一個原額100人的我們這個中心\n\n05:16.463 --> 05:38.422\n那未來一年都要花到三億六那事實上你去看我們現在的行政中心我們現在很多的行政法人中心幾乎大家都沒有什麼自籌的能力雖然說有一些自償有些你可以募款或者是你甚至可以舉債但舉債也一定要有自償性所以我們成立越來越多的所謂的行政法人\n\n05:40.484 --> 06:07.892\n那過去所詬病的就是成立行政法人之後他用的錢是誰的錢仍然是公務預算他並不會因此他自己有我們不要說他有什麼變成金積母啦他至少要自給自足也沒有絕大部分的行政法人都沒有自給自足的能力他全部用的是公務預算好那如果他的業務有其特殊性必要性我們覺得也OK可是如果按照這個業務來看的話這八大業務\n\n06:10.373 --> 06:28.163\n那你的那個國家海洋研究院呢還有國家實驗研究院也都有這些業務啊那我請問一下原來的行政法人你也沒有裁撤啊你也沒有裁撤然後每天生一些新的業務然後說我必須要再增加這些業務一年要花掉3億6每一次我們在講說我們有一個法條他就會出來說我們這個有沒有裁員呢這個裁員來自哪裡啊對不對\n\n06:40.129 --> 07:08.691\n一年316也不是一個小數字啊而且是原本100人所以這個有關業務重疊的部分那個副主委有沒有說法經費的部分不會年年因為等到我們自主營運之後呢未來有一些受託的業務呢也可以增加收入的來源會降低政府的這樣子的經費的意志那你預估未來316有多少他是可以自籌的可以告訴我們成立一個新的中心財務規劃非常非常重要\n\n07:09.111 --> 07:25.504\n好那一年3億6那麼有多少的經費可以來自於自籌這個都留紀錄喔我剛剛是講說會逐年的可以來降低政府的這個預祝的一個經費然後詳細的估算的部分當然那個國海院那邊他會去做一個整理這樣不行喔對我意思就是說\n\n07:26.525 --> 07:52.014\n我們現在政府因為不管是有一些新的機構成立或者是尤其這個行政法人我覺得未來其實在財務的部分要有一個比較嚴謹的估算不然你跟我講說每個要成立的時候都說我們一定會想辦法自籌財源我們一定會想辦法來降低我們公務預算的這個負擔可是後來不但沒有降低有的還越來越多\n\n07:53.254 --> 08:11.679\n是不是所以我在這邊希望你們可以用最短的時間至少一個禮拜的時間能夠把你們有關於未來的財務規劃比較詳細的資料提供給包含我們的內政委員會跟我們司法法治委員會可以嗎可不可以兩個禮拜\n\n08:14.040 --> 08:35.348\n兩個禮拜可以啊因為我覺得這個時間我希望你們提出來的是因為提出來它未來就是我們可以去追蹤考核的嘛不然每個人都是這樣子嘛想要成立成立之後你也關不掉啊所以我剛才講啊請你們也好好去研究啊跟其他的國史院也好或者這個海洋研究院也好\n\n08:35.828 --> 08:41.493\n妳有沒有跌床架屋的地方呢有沒有其他地方它原額可以刪減呢不然我們養人養人再養人養了一些人兩個業務也差不多是要打架嗎還是大家要互別苗頭呢是不是因為\n\n08:51.822 --> 09:11.333\n國家政府的資源有限這些業務我都承認它是重要的可是同樣的業務有三組人馬在做那就是不對的那就叫做沒有效率那說到更難聽一點大家會覺得說你們是不是要去酬庸啊都會有這樣的質疑好不好\n\n09:11.633 --> 09:38.848\n好這個業務會不會重置的部分事實上我們都一直有在盤點而且我們也知道很多委員都關切這個議題那我們這個海科中心事實上對於這個調查船整體包括我們未來4000噸的這個調查船這個是其他的中心所沒有的然後我們的國家船模實驗室未來的營運這個也是其他的中心所沒有的包括那個國科會下屬的這個這個實驗院的這個中心的部分它主要是佛大學跟學術單位啦所以\n\n09:40.089 --> 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有些你可以募款或者是你甚至可以舉債 但舉債也一定要有自償性所以我們成立越來越多的所謂的行政法人"},{"start":340.484,"end":367.892,"text":"那過去所詬病的就是成立行政法人之後他用的錢是誰的錢 仍然是公務預算他並不會因此他自己有我們不要說他有什麼變成金積母啦他至少要自給自足 也沒有絕大部分的行政法人都沒有自給自足的能力他全部用的是公務預算好 那如果他的業務有其特殊性必要性 我們覺得也OK可是如果按照這個業務來看的話這八大業務"},{"start":370.373,"end":388.163,"text":"那你的那個國家海洋研究院呢還有國家實驗研究院也都有這些業務啊那我請問一下原來的行政法人你也沒有裁撤啊你也沒有裁撤然後每天生一些新的業務然後說我必須要再增加這些業務一年要花掉3億6每一次我們在講說我們有一個法條他就會出來說我們這個有沒有裁員呢這個裁員來自哪裡啊對不對"},{"start":400.129,"end":428.691,"text":"一年316也不是一個小數字啊而且是原本100人所以這個有關業務重疊的部分那個副主委有沒有說法經費的部分不會年年因為等到我們自主營運之後呢未來有一些受託的業務呢也可以增加收入的來源會降低政府的這樣子的經費的意志那你預估未來316有多少他是可以自籌的可以告訴我們成立一個新的中心財務規劃非常非常重要"},{"start":429.111,"end":445.504,"text":"好 那一年3億6那麼有多少的經費可以來自於自籌這個都留紀錄喔我剛剛是講說會逐年的可以來降低政府的這個預祝的一個經費然後詳細的估算的部分當然那個國海院那邊他會去做一個整理這樣不行喔對我意思就是說"},{"start":446.525,"end":472.014,"text":"我們現在政府因為不管是有一些新的機構成立或者是尤其這個行政法人我覺得未來其實在財務的部分要有一個比較嚴謹的估算不然你跟我講說每個要成立的時候都說我們一定會想辦法自籌財源我們一定會想辦法來降低我們公務預算的這個負擔可是後來不但沒有降低有的還越來越多"},{"start":473.254,"end":491.679,"text":"是不是所以我在這邊希望你們可以用最短的時間至少一個禮拜的時間能夠把你們有關於未來的財務規劃比較詳細的資料提供給包含我們的內政委員會跟我們司法法治委員會可以嗎可不可以兩個禮拜"},{"start":494.04,"end":515.348,"text":"兩個禮拜可以啊因為我覺得這個時間我希望你們提出來的是因為提出來它未來就是我們可以去追蹤考核的嘛不然每個人都是這樣子嘛想要成立成立之後你也關不掉啊所以我剛才講啊請你們也好好去研究啊跟其他的國史院也好或者這個海洋研究院也好"},{"start":515.828,"end":521.493,"text":"妳有沒有跌床架屋的地方呢有沒有其他地方 它原額可以刪減呢不然我們養人 養人 再養人養了一些人 兩個業務也差不多是要打架嗎 還是大家要互別苗頭呢是不是 因為"},{"start":531.822,"end":551.333,"text":"國家政府的資源有限這些業務我都承認它是重要的可是同樣的業務有三組人馬在做那就是不對的那就叫做沒有效率那說到更難聽一點大家會覺得說你們是不是要去酬庸啊都會有這樣的質疑好不好"},{"start":551.633,"end":578.848,"text":"好 這個業務會不會重置的部分事實上我們都一直有在盤點而且我們也知道很多委員都關切這個議題那我們這個海科中心事實上對於這個調查船整體包括我們未來4000噸的這個調查船這個是其他的中心所沒有的然後我們的國家船模實驗室未來的營運這個也是其他的中心所沒有的包括那個國科會下屬的這個這個實驗院的這個中心的部分它主要是佛大學跟學術單位啦 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