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00:02:17,646\nOK那第二個啊是這個你剛剛講原來編制有100人100人含船員嗎應該說我們沒有應該說中心裡面實際上是沒有編制的只是說我們預估基本的預估船母跟調查船需要的人因為你這一艘船蓋完你一定有至少基本的這個配備的船員好那100人含船員\n\n7\n00:02:18,506 --> 00:02:46,447\n對海船園好那接下來我看你頭比較具有特色是那個4000噸的那一艘嘛因為100噸跟300噸現在各海洋聯盟的大學應該也有100噸跟300噸了或者是商業的調查船有嗎有所以你們做這個100噸跟300噸做什麼用前海域的調查還有包括像吳斯曉委員有提到不是那這些現在海洋聯盟的大學沒辦法做嘛\n\n8\n00:02:47,616 --> 00:03:05,270\n聯盟大學他們主要是做這個像現在國科會下面就是有四招嘛大概都是一千噸八百多噸以上的他們主要是做這個科學研究的各個老師去跟國會申請這個所謂的傳奇那我們現在目前有做一些100噸跟300噸那你們這個100噸跟300噸的接下來這些老師申請研究的時候會來跟你們申請嗎\n\n9\n00:03:10,715 --> 00:03:38,084\n國海運會編預算來執行全海域的調查所以你們不接受其他人來要求嗎應該說目前我們優先順序上還是以我們本要執行本預算的這個全海域調查當然如果說有其他的一個船級上的一個需求的話我們當然也樂意跟學術單位合作提到你們的這個收入嘛那你們如果要接受其他單位的委託或者是借你們的船其實這個船本來是海委會也不是這個中心的啦\n\n10\n00:03:39,845 --> 00:03:47,353\n就要有收入啊那這個收入當然你就是要會去跟那個海洋聯盟那些或者國科會他們的船會有競爭啊\n\n11\n00:03:50,060 --> 00:04:13,393\n應該說現在目前國科會系統裡面大概學術的學員單位的申請大概只有78可以安排到傳期所以事實上這個是有缺口的所以事實上我們執行的任務跟國科會的那個系統裡面的對象是不同的那我們現在目前本院在執行全海域調查裡面事實上我們也跟內政部還有包括經濟部都有很密切的一個合作因為內政部本身也會做那個定位調查\n\n12\n00:04:14,253 --> 00:04:32,522\n那經濟部他有說因為一些業務上的一個需要也會做一些海洋的一些資源的一個探測那所以在這部分裡面我們互相的一個計畫上的一個支援事實上是會相互補的那如果未來調查船如果能夠成立的話新建完工的話我們希望能夠把台灣整個全台域的一個調查能夠把它整個完工的一個\n\n13\n00:04:32,622 --> 00:04:49,509\n那這一些現有的調達船不管是國家的或者是商業的或者是接下來你們這營運中心的100噸、300噸跟4000噸的船每一艘船的分工啊這個行政院有政務委員在整合嗎\n\n14\n00:04:52,238 --> 00:05:15,755\n如果是海委會自己本身的三艘調查團部分我們這邊跟其他的包括國科會的包括其他大學的應該是未來啦未來我們會期待成立一個所謂的研究船的一個平台那針對這個所謂的需求端還有包括調查船的這個船期的供應端裡面我們希望能夠建置\n\n15\n00:05:16,015 --> 00:05:35,933\n我是建議你們主動跟這個行政院報告請行政院找政務委員出來整合啦因為接下來的這些調查包括學校老師的調查不要大家弄到最後變成一種狀況就是找商業船比較容易或者找國科會比較容易找這個營運中心很麻煩\n\n16\n00:05:36,533 --> 00:05:56,847\n好就是不要這種就是到最後還要去競爭啦這個競爭是沒有意義的啦那第二個這個4000噸的這一艘啊接下來會是台灣現有的最大艘嘛對不對最大艘調查船那這個操作這一艘船的就是這個營運中心不會委外\n\n17\n00:05:59,608 --> 00:06:09,537\n沒錯好那你們100個人裡頭啊就是說這出函喔不是我說你們現在原有編制這100嘛不是編制就是說你們期待會有100的嘛那會不會這些人到最後他們是在發包啊我現在再跟委員澄清一下我們現在100人你們是沒有包括4000噸的船員喔\n\n18\n00:06:20,362 --> 00:06:49,108\n因為我們現在沒有顧到那麼遠因為那個4000噸大概會在118年的時候才完工所以我們現在比較穩健啦穩健的推估我為什麼這樣問這些同仁接下來進到營運中心的同仁會不會再辦招標啊不會啦因為本身我們就是拚顧船員啊那你們這個營運中心會有設研究人員嗎沒有應該說船舶實驗室會有啦應該說裡面的編制會有船舶跟釣船船員船舶實驗室會再有委託大學老師做實驗嗎\n\n19\n00:06:50,643 --> 00:06:53,384\n因為交通部運輸研究所雖然他是這個公務體系但是他的大部分現在的研究員都在做發包工作\n\n20\n00:07:07,532 --> 00:07:29,148\n都在委託學校老師顧問公司做研究那就失去了這個設立的意義嘛所以你們如果這個營運中心啊盡可能自己培養自己的研究人員才能夠把人才留住嘛不要到這種高階的研究人員博士啊助理教授級進來到這個中心他竟然在辦理發包的工作這個就沒有什麼意義了好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6607\t13712\t我們請副主委跟院長請教一下這個國家海洋研究院的陳院長\n20734\t46710\t在這個新的海洋科技營運中心的這個設置條例的第三條有寫到中心的業務這些業務會有一些跟你現在組長的這一個院研究院的業務會有重疊對吧那這個重疊的部分你站在一個現在是一個國家海洋研究院的院長的角度這業務大家接下來怎麼分工\n48866\t71757\t謝謝委員提問其實講重疊是文字上可是事實上我們在執行上是不一樣的國海院主要還是負責所謂的一個研究的一個規劃政策面那現在目前成立的行政法人主要是要想要實地能夠執行全海域的真正的一個調查全海域的調查我想強調這個沒辦法在國海院做沒辦法因為我們現在國海院因為全海院調查要傳這是傳源\n73786\t89381\t如果調查船的部分 這次要船員聘僱的是船長、輪機長、大管還有包括探測長 實施這些專業科技的部分船某的部分也沒辦法 因為船某是涉及非常高精明度的船某的實驗還有設備的安裝 還有實驗數據 還有水下載具的參數\n98189\t112547\t那這一部分現在目前來講國海院裡面的人力現在目前編制只有78名而且當時國海院裡面的人也不是在做這些事情OK那現在新的成立了這個營運中心啊這裡頭顯然會不會有公務員嗎營運中心沒有沒有公務員沒有\n117532\t137646\tOK那第二個啊是這個你剛剛講原來編制有100人100人含船員嗎應該說我們沒有應該說中心裡面實際上是沒有編制的只是說我們預估基本的預估船母跟調查船需要的人因為你這一艘船蓋完你一定有至少基本的這個配備的船員好那100人含船員\n138506\t166447\t對 海船園好 那接下來我看你頭比較具有特色是那個4000噸的那一艘嘛因為100噸跟300噸現在各海洋聯盟的大學應該也有100噸跟300噸了或者是商業的調查船有嗎 有所以你們做這個100噸跟300噸做什麼用前海域的調查還有包括像吳斯曉委員有提到不是 那這些現在海洋聯盟的大學沒辦法做嘛\n167616\t185270\t聯盟大學他們主要是做這個像現在國科會下面就是有四招嘛大概都是一千噸八百多噸以上的他們主要是做這個科學研究的各個老師去跟國會申請這個所謂的傳奇那我們現在目前有做一些100噸跟300噸那你們這個100噸跟300噸的接下來這些老師申請研究的時候會來跟你們申請嗎\n190715\t218084\t國海運會編預算來執行全海域的調查所以你們不接受其他人來要求嗎應該說目前我們優先順序上還是以我們本要執行本預算的這個全海域調查當然如果說有其他的一個船級上的一個需求的話我們當然也樂意跟學術單位合作提到你們的這個收入嘛那你們如果要接受其他單位的委託或者是借你們的船其實這個船本來是海委會也不是這個中心的啦\n219845\t227353\t就要有收入啊 那這個收入當然你就是要會去跟那個海洋聯盟那些或者國科會他們的船會有競爭啊\n230060\t253393\t應該說現在目前國科會系統裡面大概學術的學員單位的申請大概只有78可以安排到傳期所以事實上這個是有缺口的所以事實上我們執行的任務跟國科會的那個系統裡面的對象是不同的那我們現在目前本院在執行全海域調查裡面事實上我們也跟內政部還有包括經濟部都有很密切的一個合作因為內政部本身也會做那個定位調查\n254253\t272522\t那經濟部他有說因為一些業務上的一個需要也會做一些海洋的一些資源的一個探測那所以在這部分裡面我們互相的一個計畫上的一個支援事實上是會相互補的那如果未來調查船如果能夠成立的話新建完工的話我們希望能夠把台灣整個全台域的一個調查能夠把它整個完工的一個\n272622\t289509\t那這一些現有的調達船不管是國家的或者是商業的或者是接下來你們這營運中心的100噸、300噸跟4000噸的船每一艘船的分工啊這個行政院有政務委員在整合嗎\n292238\t315755\t如果是海委會自己本身的三艘調查團部分我們這邊跟其他的包括國科會的包括其他大學的應該是未來啦 未來我們會期待成立一個所謂的研究船的一個平台那針對這個所謂的需求端還有包括調查船的這個船期的供應端裡面我們希望能夠建置\n316015\t335933\t我是建議你們主動跟這個行政院報告請行政院找政務委員出來整合啦因為接下來的這些調查包括學校老師的調查不要大家弄到最後變成一種狀況就是找商業船比較容易或者找國科會比較容易找這個營運中心很麻煩\n336533\t356847\t好 就是不要這種 就是到最後還要去競爭啦 這個競爭是沒有意義的啦那第二個這個4000噸的這一艘啊 接下來會是台灣現有的最大艘嘛 對不對最大艘調查船那這個操作這一艘船的 就是這個營運中心不會委外\n359608\t369537\t沒錯好 那你們100個人裡頭啊就是說這出函喔不是 我說你們現在原有編制這100嘛不是編制就是說你們期待會有100的嘛那會不會這些人到最後他們是在發包啊我現在再跟委員澄清一下我們現在100人你們是沒有包括4000噸的船員喔\n380362\t409108\t因為我們現在沒有顧到那麼遠因為那個4000噸大概會在118年的時候才完工所以我們現在比較穩健啦穩健的推估我為什麼這樣問這些同仁接下來進到營運中心的同仁會不會再辦招標啊不會啦 因為本身我們就是拚顧船員啊那你們這個營運中心會有設研究人員嗎沒有應該說船舶實驗室會有啦應該說裡面的編制會有船舶跟釣船船員船舶實驗室會再有委託大學老師做實驗嗎\n410643\t413384\t因為交通部運輸研究所雖然他是這個公務體系但是他的大部分現在的研究員都在做發包工作\n427532\t449148\t都在委託學校老師 顧問公司做研究那就失去了這個設立的意義嘛所以你們如果這個營運中心啊盡可能自己培養自己的研究人員才能夠把人才留住嘛不要到這種高階的研究人員博士啊 助理教授級進來到這個中心他竟然在辦理發包的工作這個就沒有什麼意義了好 謝謝\n","txt":"我們請副主委跟院長請教一下這個國家海洋研究院的陳院長\n在這個新的海洋科技營運中心的這個設置條例的第三條有寫到中心的業務這些業務會有一些跟你現在組長的這一個院研究院的業務會有重疊對吧那這個重疊的部分你站在一個現在是一個國家海洋研究院的院長的角度這業務大家接下來怎麼分工\n謝謝委員提問其實講重疊是文字上可是事實上我們在執行上是不一樣的國海院主要還是負責所謂的一個研究的一個規劃政策面那現在目前成立的行政法人主要是要想要實地能夠執行全海域的真正的一個調查全海域的調查我想強調這個沒辦法在國海院做沒辦法因為我們現在國海院因為全海院調查要傳這是傳源\n如果調查船的部分 這次要船員聘僱的是船長、輪機長、大管還有包括探測長 實施這些專業科技的部分船某的部分也沒辦法 因為船某是涉及非常高精明度的船某的實驗還有設備的安裝 還有實驗數據 還有水下載具的參數\n那這一部分現在目前來講國海院裡面的人力現在目前編制只有78名而且當時國海院裡面的人也不是在做這些事情OK那現在新的成立了這個營運中心啊這裡頭顯然會不會有公務員嗎營運中心沒有沒有公務員沒有\nOK那第二個啊是這個你剛剛講原來編制有100人100人含船員嗎應該說我們沒有應該說中心裡面實際上是沒有編制的只是說我們預估基本的預估船母跟調查船需要的人因為你這一艘船蓋完你一定有至少基本的這個配備的船員好那100人含船員\n對 海船園好 那接下來我看你頭比較具有特色是那個4000噸的那一艘嘛因為100噸跟300噸現在各海洋聯盟的大學應該也有100噸跟300噸了或者是商業的調查船有嗎 有所以你們做這個100噸跟300噸做什麼用前海域的調查還有包括像吳斯曉委員有提到不是 那這些現在海洋聯盟的大學沒辦法做嘛\n聯盟大學他們主要是做這個像現在國科會下面就是有四招嘛大概都是一千噸八百多噸以上的他們主要是做這個科學研究的各個老師去跟國會申請這個所謂的傳奇那我們現在目前有做一些100噸跟300噸那你們這個100噸跟300噸的接下來這些老師申請研究的時候會來跟你們申請嗎\n國海運會編預算來執行全海域的調查所以你們不接受其他人來要求嗎應該說目前我們優先順序上還是以我們本要執行本預算的這個全海域調查當然如果說有其他的一個船級上的一個需求的話我們當然也樂意跟學術單位合作提到你們的這個收入嘛那你們如果要接受其他單位的委託或者是借你們的船其實這個船本來是海委會也不是這個中心的啦\n就要有收入啊 那這個收入當然你就是要會去跟那個海洋聯盟那些或者國科會他們的船會有競爭啊\n應該說現在目前國科會系統裡面大概學術的學員單位的申請大概只有78可以安排到傳期所以事實上這個是有缺口的所以事實上我們執行的任務跟國科會的那個系統裡面的對象是不同的那我們現在目前本院在執行全海域調查裡面事實上我們也跟內政部還有包括經濟部都有很密切的一個合作因為內政部本身也會做那個定位調查\n那經濟部他有說因為一些業務上的一個需要也會做一些海洋的一些資源的一個探測那所以在這部分裡面我們互相的一個計畫上的一個支援事實上是會相互補的那如果未來調查船如果能夠成立的話新建完工的話我們希望能夠把台灣整個全台域的一個調查能夠把它整個完工的一個\n那這一些現有的調達船不管是國家的或者是商業的或者是接下來你們這營運中心的100噸、300噸跟4000噸的船每一艘船的分工啊這個行政院有政務委員在整合嗎\n如果是海委會自己本身的三艘調查團部分我們這邊跟其他的包括國科會的包括其他大學的應該是未來啦 未來我們會期待成立一個所謂的研究船的一個平台那針對這個所謂的需求端還有包括調查船的這個船期的供應端裡面我們希望能夠建置\n我是建議你們主動跟這個行政院報告請行政院找政務委員出來整合啦因為接下來的這些調查包括學校老師的調查不要大家弄到最後變成一種狀況就是找商業船比較容易或者找國科會比較容易找這個營運中心很麻煩\n好 就是不要這種 就是到最後還要去競爭啦 這個競爭是沒有意義的啦那第二個這個4000噸的這一艘啊 接下來會是台灣現有的最大艘嘛 對不對最大艘調查船那這個操作這一艘船的 就是這個營運中心不會委外\n沒錯好 那你們100個人裡頭啊就是說這出函喔不是 我說你們現在原有編制這100嘛不是編制就是說你們期待會有100的嘛那會不會這些人到最後他們是在發包啊我現在再跟委員澄清一下我們現在100人你們是沒有包括4000噸的船員喔\n因為我們現在沒有顧到那麼遠因為那個4000噸大概會在118年的時候才完工所以我們現在比較穩健啦穩健的推估我為什麼這樣問這些同仁接下來進到營運中心的同仁會不會再辦招標啊不會啦 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