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00:00:02,671\n好謝謝主席我們請管主委好請主委\n\n2\n00:00:10,602 --> 00:00:37,720\n主委剛剛您在進入會場的時候議場的時候其實我看到有非常多的媒體記者都在追著你詢問現在大家很關心的這個我們的這個海巡弟兄啊或者上次有說要進行大規模的這個調查了解狀況以後看看部隊裡面是不是也有人有這個中國拘留證的問題你有一個方回答我想請主委在備詢台上是不是正式的跟我們說明一下調查的如何\n\n3\n00:00:39,801 --> 00:01:08,262\n後續要怎麼處理好各位也說明就是說定居證是沒有沒有定居證的沒有定居證所以剛剛說沒有剛剛跟媒體說沒有是定居證沒有那居住證有三位護照也沒有所以護照定居證都沒有但是有三位那這三位你怎麼處置三位是在我們招募之前取得的那已經依法全部都註銷了那會涉及到機敏的業務嗎\n\n4\n00:01:09,901 --> 00:01:12,945\n目前他們沒有都沒有嗎我想是這樣國安的問題是絕對不容跨線的所以他在方方面面的處置上面其實我們都要非常的注意這個是我想政府一體大家都是應該要注意的各單位都應該注意\n\n5\n00:01:25,979 --> 00:01:31,721\n所以我今天除了剛剛要再讓您說得更清楚一點的這個拘留證的問題之外我也想來談談最近大家討論很多的海底電纜都被破壞頻頻被破壞的這個部分我想先請問主委主委你知道我們這個台灣周圍很依賴在海底電纜嘛那海底電纜有分通信電纜跟電力電纜兩種我們的通信電纜在有多少\n\n6\n00:01:52,430 --> 00:01:55,092\n我們有國際的14條國內的也有10條有這麼多的電纜那最近發生的這些電纜被破壞的事件大概有多少嗎\n\n7\n00:02:09,861 --> 00:02:35,855\n數字大概是今年是三千電力也有一件電力有一件我沒有要抽考你這種問答題備答附送的資料都在這裡我們是跟速發部調出來的資料速發部給我們的資料是從2021年迄今有三十幾件有三十幾件這樣子的狀況而且我問他說為什麼沒有2021年之前的我猜想我自己猜想的\n\n8\n00:02:36,255 --> 00:02:48,261\n是也許是在2021年之前沒有這麼頻繁發生的狀況所以某程度我們是不是也可以覺得這種發生的頻率已經開始有電纜被破壞的常態化的狀況呢這個數字是速發部給我們的而且我們可以看到每一次這個電纜如果是壞掉的話平均的修復大概就是要2000萬左右那修復的時間還沒有辦法確定\n\n9\n00:03:03,889 --> 00:03:20,081\n所以可以看得出來這其實是一個很嚴重的狀況主委你應該了解這個電纜被破壞的狀況而且這個破壞的電纜還是我們請署長回答也可以看哪一個單位就是這個被破壞的狀況看起來都大概是什麼樣的原因發生的\n\n10\n00:03:21,181 --> 00:03:41,907\n有第一個有自然的斷裂第二個有也其實也有些案例是漁船意外那我們晚進比較高度密駐的是有一些權宜輪是不是故意那以這一次洪太來講那警察官初步調查的結果是認為說是有故意我們也認為說我們長達三天監控他\n\n11\n00:03:45,868 --> 00:03:53,252\n然後這中間有7次我們海巡是海巡嘛好那我其實這就是今天我最重要的問題我們可以看到這個通信電纜是重要的它的破壞頻率在增高而且破壞的看起來大部分是中國的抽砂船中國的漁船還有當然有其他商船自燃的這樣的狀況\n\n12\n00:04:09,221 --> 00:04:37,981\n好那處理的人是誰第一線處理的都是海巡單位可是這些電纜的主管單位是誰呢這些主管單位我看得出我去調查了一下主管單位海底電纜因為是電信業所以它屬於通船會處理的然後因為海底電纜又是關鍵基礎設施所以其實又歸速發部管那這些船來破壞海底電纜的船是誰呢因為船的出入是屬於交通部航管局所以所有的主管機關都是別人\n\n13\n00:04:38,561 --> 00:04:48,484\n可是去第一線處理的是誰是海巡啊我想請署長或者是主委你可不可以跟我們分享一下你們在實務上你們不是主管機關但是卻是第一線的主管單位你們會不會有困難會不會有什麼辛苦在這裡讓你有時間說明一下\n\n14\n00:04:54,646 --> 00:05:07,563\n跟委員報告因此就會有一些狀況是非常需要進一步去做跨部會的合作的譬如說晚進的兩艘船所造成的斷纜事件來講的話那前面的順興99跟後面的宏泰168\n\n15\n00:05:12,669 --> 00:05:28,244\n兩艘船的處理程序就不一樣那前面的順興其實他是願意配合我們進港所以他從當天我們抓到他以後他一直配合我們等著要進港就等到第二天的早上他說他們沒辦法再等了\n\n16\n00:05:28,724 --> 00:05:50,373\n那這個時候就是跨部會的程序在當時因為它是解編了我們的海底電纜曾經解編成為非關鍵基礎設施所以那個時候它還不是關鍵基礎設施所以它因為一般的程序所以它進港就有困難在這種情況之下所以經過這個事件以後我們就把它恢復為關鍵基礎設施\n\n17\n00:05:51,994 --> 00:06:09,040\n那恢復為關鍵基礎設施我沒有反對啊我沒有反對它是關鍵基礎設施我只是本來要借用這個單位借用這個時間邀請主委主委剛剛已經講了在法規管理上面的困難處長張署長我也想請你分享一下你第一線地修會不會有什麼問題他們吃苦耐勞真的很辛苦\n\n18\n00:06:09,620 --> 00:06:24,337\n署長我寫寶貴的時間給你要不要分享一下特別跟委員報告那我們對於海域的監控部門海巡署是用我們的雷達包括跟友軍的聯合勤監的部門那對於在自由在海岸區域的這些船舶我們會去監控它另外重要的\n\n19\n00:06:24,517 --> 00:06:46,650\n最近對於海南部分他有一個告警的設施那我們根據這個部分我們去第一個時間點我們發現可疑滯留或者是有可能是這個權益輪迫我們就會派件去處理第一時間就會處理所以我們第一時間我們會主動發現可疑我們就去處理這是本於你們權責嘛在海疆上面發現狀況你們就會過去可是過去了以後要處理的時候你的權你的責\n\n20\n00:06:48,291 --> 00:07:12,225\n清楚嗎?你有辦法處理嗎?你的困難在哪裡?這個部分就是說,如果是我們覺得有犯罪可疑,我們會去驅離第一個部分,如果沒有犯罪可疑,他在那個區域我們先驅離告警然後通知航港單位,做航空管理先去廣播那如果不行的話,我們的海巡署的艦船也會去做相關的驅離跟所有的勤務作為\n\n21\n00:07:12,645 --> 00:07:17,309\n謝謝署長啦我想這個行行都有專業啦因為我在3月的時候也跟海委會跟海巡署這邊討論過我們辦公室有來討論過所以在海上執法是櫃會的專業那定立法地修正法令應該是我們立法委員應該要盡的職責我發現有幾個部分啦齁這個其實我們討論過嘛現在海巡署在執法的時候的困難\n\n22\n00:07:37,107 --> 00:07:40,928\n應該是可以有比如說船隻定位系統GIS為常態且為正確的開發目前無法則導致可以船隻抓不勝抓那我覺得這個就可以討論了嘛然後電信管理法的72條所稱未遂犯定義不明什麼是未遂犯這個部分應該要讓海巡署可以\n\n23\n00:07:57,814 --> 00:08:02,000\n有清楚的定義讓你們執法能夠順暢也不會遭到這種抗拒等等然後再來現行的處罰沒有包括船隻禁止再進入有國海域扣押或沒入等樣態船隻常常遭到驅離之後又再繞回來防不勝防\n\n24\n00:08:13,254 --> 00:08:29,641\n我想這幾個都是海巡弟兄其實在實務執行上面會發生的狀況所以我非常同意也期待主委因為主委你的經驗和高度其實很可以跨部會剛剛說的這部分我是認為其實應該在進行修法的部分海巡組的弟兄當然裝備要有要錢給錢要人給人我總是這樣講所以剛剛聽到裝備\n\n25\n00:08:36,103 --> 00:08:44,145\n要真裝備我就想到我們的預算被煽動這麼多實在是還要說要裝裝備這實在是很辛苦不過我覺得法規要能夠明確讓各位有權才能夠請他們負責我覺得這也是必要的啦謝謝委員關心剛剛委員真的是真知灼見譬如說剛剛提到AIS沒有罰則的部分那我們海巡就去跟航港局聯絡希望他們去修傳播法\n\n26\n00:09:01,329 --> 00:09:14,064\n那另外譬如說前天之所以被判決沒入的那個抽砂船也是我們去請委員替我們修法所以呢那個船舶最後沒入才會被判決定這樣子\n\n27\n00:09:16,807 --> 00:09:35,488\n謝謝那我是希望主委把這些相關的法條其實是可以請這個在會後給我們一份報告讓整個委員會一起來為您做支持譬如說以電力來講的話現在電力的纜線斷掉它的法則跟電信就不一樣我們要修電業法才能夠對齊這個也是我們也有在溝通好那請提供資料給委員會謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n339\t2671\t好 謝謝主席 我們請管主委好 請主委\n10602\t37720\t主委剛剛您在進入會場的時候議場的時候其實我看到有非常多的媒體記者都在追著你詢問現在大家很關心的這個我們的這個海巡弟兄啊或者上次有說要進行大規模的這個調查了解狀況以後看看部隊裡面是不是也有人有這個中國拘留證的問題你有一個方回答我想請主委在備詢台上是不是正式的跟我們說明一下調查的如何\n39801\t68262\t後續要怎麼處理好 各位也說明就是說定居證是沒有沒有定居證的沒有定居證所以剛剛說沒有剛剛跟媒體說沒有是定居證沒有那居住證有三位護照也沒有所以護照定居證都沒有但是有三位那這三位你怎麼處置三位是在我們招募之前取得的那已經依法全部都註銷了那會涉及到機敏的業務嗎\n69901\t72945\t目前他們沒有都沒有嗎我想是這樣國安的問題是絕對不容跨線的所以他在方方面面的處置上面其實我們都要非常的注意這個是我想政府一體大家都是應該要注意的各單位都應該注意\n85979\t91721\t所以我今天除了剛剛要再讓您說得更清楚一點的這個拘留證的問題之外我也想來談談最近大家討論很多的海底電纜都被破壞 頻頻被破壞的這個部分我想先請問主委主委你知道我們這個台灣周圍很依賴在海底電纜嘛那海底電纜有分通信電纜跟電力電纜兩種我們的通信電纜在有多少\n112430\t115092\t我們有國際的14條 國內的也有10條 有這麼多的電纜那最近發生的這些電纜被破壞的事件大概有多少嗎\n129861\t155855\t數字大概是今年是三千 電力也有一件電力有一件我沒有要抽考你這種問答題備答附送的資料都在這裡我們是跟速發部調出來的資料速發部給我們的資料是從2021年迄今有三十幾件有三十幾件這樣子的狀況而且我問他說為什麼沒有2021年之前的我猜想 我自己猜想的\n156255\t168261\t是也許是在2021年之前沒有這麼頻繁發生的狀況所以某程度我們是不是也可以覺得這種發生的頻率已經開始有電纜被破壞的常態化的狀況呢這個數字是速發部給我們的而且我們可以看到每一次這個電纜如果是壞掉的話平均的修復大概就是要2000萬左右那修復的時間還沒有辦法確定\n183889\t200081\t所以可以看得出來這其實是一個很嚴重的狀況主委你應該了解這個電纜被破壞的狀況而且這個破壞的電纜還是我們請署長回答也可以看哪一個單位就是這個被破壞的狀況看起來都大概是什麼樣的原因發生的\n201181\t221907\t有第一個有自然的斷裂第二個有也其實也有些案例是漁船意外那我們晚進比較高度密駐的是有一些權宜輪是不是故意那以這一次洪太來講那警察官初步調查的結果是認為說是有故意我們也認為說我們長達三天監控他\n225868\t233252\t然後這中間有7次我們海巡是海巡嘛好那我其實這就是今天我最重要的問題我們可以看到這個通信電纜是重要的它的破壞頻率在增高而且破壞的看起來大部分是中國的抽砂船中國的漁船還有當然有其他商船自燃的這樣的狀況\n249221\t277981\t好 那處理的人是誰第一線處理的都是海巡單位可是這些電纜的主管單位是誰呢這些主管單位我看得出我去調查了一下主管單位海底電纜因為是電信業所以它屬於通船會處理的然後因為海底電纜又是關鍵基礎設施所以其實又歸速發部管那這些船來破壞海底電纜的船是誰呢因為船的出入是屬於交通部航管局所以所有的主管機關都是別人\n278561\t288484\t可是去第一線處理的是誰是海巡啊我想請署長或者是主委你可不可以跟我們分享一下你們在實務上你們不是主管機關但是卻是第一線的主管單位你們會不會有困難會不會有什麼辛苦在這裡讓你有時間說明一下\n294646\t307563\t跟委員報告 因此就會有一些狀況是非常需要進一步去做跨部會的合作的譬如說晚進的兩艘船所造成的斷纜事件來講的話那前面的順興99跟後面的宏泰168\n312669\t328244\t兩艘船的處理程序就不一樣那前面的順興其實他是願意配合我們進港所以他從當天我們抓到他以後他一直配合我們等著要進港就等到第二天的早上他說他們沒辦法再等了\n328724\t350373\t那這個時候就是跨部會的程序在當時因為它是解編了我們的海底電纜曾經解編成為非關鍵基礎設施所以那個時候它還不是關鍵基礎設施所以它因為一般的程序所以它進港就有困難在這種情況之下所以經過這個事件以後我們就把它恢復為關鍵基礎設施\n351994\t369040\t那恢復為關鍵基礎設施我沒有反對啊我沒有反對它是關鍵基礎設施我只是本來要借用這個單位借用這個時間邀請主委主委剛剛已經講了在法規管理上面的困難處長張署長我也想請你分享一下你第一線地修會不會有什麼問題他們吃苦耐勞真的很辛苦\n369620\t384337\t署長我寫寶貴的時間給你要不要分享一下特別跟委員報告那我們對於海域的監控部門海巡署是用我們的雷達包括跟友軍的聯合勤監的部門那對於在自由在海岸區域的這些船舶我們會去監控它另外重要的\n384517\t406650\t最近對於海南部分他有一個告警的設施那我們根據這個部分我們去第一個時間點我們發現可疑滯留或者是有可能是這個權益輪迫我們就會派件去處理第一時間就會處理所以我們第一時間我們會主動發現可疑我們就去處理這是本於你們權責嘛在海疆上面發現狀況你們就會過去可是過去了以後要處理的時候你的權你的責\n408291\t432225\t清楚嗎?你有辦法處理嗎?你的困難在哪裡?這個部分就是說,如果是我們覺得有犯罪可疑,我們會去驅離第一個部分,如果沒有犯罪可疑,他在那個區域我們先驅離告警然後通知航港單位,做航空管理先去廣播那如果不行的話,我們的海巡署的艦船也會去做相關的驅離跟所有的勤務作為\n432645\t437309\t謝謝署長啦我想這個行行都有專業啦因為我在3月的時候也跟海委會跟海巡署這邊討論過我們辦公室有來討論過所以在海上執法是櫃會的專業那定立法地修正法令應該是我們立法委員應該要盡的職責我發現有幾個部分啦齁這個其實我們討論過嘛現在海巡署在執法的時候的困難\n457107\t460928\t應該是可以有比如說船隻定位系統GIS為常態且為正確的開發目前無法則導致可以船隻抓不勝抓那我覺得這個就可以討論了嘛然後電信管理法的72條所稱未遂犯定義不明什麼是未遂犯這個部分應該要讓海巡署可以\n477814\t482000\t有清楚的定義讓你們執法能夠順暢也不會遭到這種抗拒等等然後再來現行的處罰沒有包括船隻禁止再進入有國海域扣押或沒入等樣態船隻常常遭到驅離之後又再繞回來防不勝防\n493254\t509641\t我想這幾個都是海巡弟兄其實在實務執行上面會發生的狀況所以我非常同意也期待主委因為主委你的經驗和高度其實很可以跨部會剛剛說的這部分我是認為其實應該在進行修法的部分海巡組的弟兄當然裝備要有要錢給錢 要人給人我總是這樣講所以剛剛聽到裝備\n516103\t524145\t要真裝備 我就想到我們的預算被煽動這麼多實在是還要說要裝裝備 這實在是很辛苦不過我覺得法規要能夠明確讓各位有權才能夠請他們負責 我覺得這也是必要的啦謝謝委員關心 剛剛委員真的是真知灼見譬如說剛剛提到AIS沒有罰則的部分那我們海巡就去跟航港局聯絡 希望他們去修傳播法\n541329\t554064\t那另外譬如說前天之所以被判決沒入的那個抽砂船也是我們去請委員替我們修法所以呢那個船舶最後沒入才會被判決定這樣子\n556807\t575488\t謝謝那我是希望主委把這些相關的法條其實是可以請這個在會後給我們一份報告讓整個委員會一起來為您做支持譬如說以電力來講的話現在電力的纜線斷掉它的法則跟電信就不一樣我們要修電業法才能夠對齊這個也是我們也有在溝通好那請提供資料給委員會謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 我們請管主委好 請主委\n主委剛剛您在進入會場的時候議場的時候其實我看到有非常多的媒體記者都在追著你詢問現在大家很關心的這個我們的這個海巡弟兄啊或者上次有說要進行大規模的這個調查了解狀況以後看看部隊裡面是不是也有人有這個中國拘留證的問題你有一個方回答我想請主委在備詢台上是不是正式的跟我們說明一下調查的如何\n後續要怎麼處理好 各位也說明就是說定居證是沒有沒有定居證的沒有定居證所以剛剛說沒有剛剛跟媒體說沒有是定居證沒有那居住證有三位護照也沒有所以護照定居證都沒有但是有三位那這三位你怎麼處置三位是在我們招募之前取得的那已經依法全部都註銷了那會涉及到機敏的業務嗎\n目前他們沒有都沒有嗎我想是這樣國安的問題是絕對不容跨線的所以他在方方面面的處置上面其實我們都要非常的注意這個是我想政府一體大家都是應該要注意的各單位都應該注意\n所以我今天除了剛剛要再讓您說得更清楚一點的這個拘留證的問題之外我也想來談談最近大家討論很多的海底電纜都被破壞 頻頻被破壞的這個部分我想先請問主委主委你知道我們這個台灣周圍很依賴在海底電纜嘛那海底電纜有分通信電纜跟電力電纜兩種我們的通信電纜在有多少\n我們有國際的14條 國內的也有10條 有這麼多的電纜那最近發生的這些電纜被破壞的事件大概有多少嗎\n數字大概是今年是三千 電力也有一件電力有一件我沒有要抽考你這種問答題備答附送的資料都在這裡我們是跟速發部調出來的資料速發部給我們的資料是從2021年迄今有三十幾件有三十幾件這樣子的狀況而且我問他說為什麼沒有2021年之前的我猜想 我自己猜想的\n是也許是在2021年之前沒有這麼頻繁發生的狀況所以某程度我們是不是也可以覺得這種發生的頻率已經開始有電纜被破壞的常態化的狀況呢這個數字是速發部給我們的而且我們可以看到每一次這個電纜如果是壞掉的話平均的修復大概就是要2000萬左右那修復的時間還沒有辦法確定\n所以可以看得出來這其實是一個很嚴重的狀況主委你應該了解這個電纜被破壞的狀況而且這個破壞的電纜還是我們請署長回答也可以看哪一個單位就是這個被破壞的狀況看起來都大概是什麼樣的原因發生的\n有第一個有自然的斷裂第二個有也其實也有些案例是漁船意外那我們晚進比較高度密駐的是有一些權宜輪是不是故意那以這一次洪太來講那警察官初步調查的結果是認為說是有故意我們也認為說我們長達三天監控他\n然後這中間有7次我們海巡是海巡嘛好那我其實這就是今天我最重要的問題我們可以看到這個通信電纜是重要的它的破壞頻率在增高而且破壞的看起來大部分是中國的抽砂船中國的漁船還有當然有其他商船自燃的這樣的狀況\n好 那處理的人是誰第一線處理的都是海巡單位可是這些電纜的主管單位是誰呢這些主管單位我看得出我去調查了一下主管單位海底電纜因為是電信業所以它屬於通船會處理的然後因為海底電纜又是關鍵基礎設施所以其實又歸速發部管那這些船來破壞海底電纜的船是誰呢因為船的出入是屬於交通部航管局所以所有的主管機關都是別人\n可是去第一線處理的是誰是海巡啊我想請署長或者是主委你可不可以跟我們分享一下你們在實務上你們不是主管機關但是卻是第一線的主管單位你們會不會有困難會不會有什麼辛苦在這裡讓你有時間說明一下\n跟委員報告 因此就會有一些狀況是非常需要進一步去做跨部會的合作的譬如說晚進的兩艘船所造成的斷纜事件來講的話那前面的順興99跟後面的宏泰168\n兩艘船的處理程序就不一樣那前面的順興其實他是願意配合我們進港所以他從當天我們抓到他以後他一直配合我們等著要進港就等到第二天的早上他說他們沒辦法再等了\n那這個時候就是跨部會的程序在當時因為它是解編了我們的海底電纜曾經解編成為非關鍵基礎設施所以那個時候它還不是關鍵基礎設施所以它因為一般的程序所以它進港就有困難在這種情況之下所以經過這個事件以後我們就把它恢復為關鍵基礎設施\n那恢復為關鍵基礎設施我沒有反對啊我沒有反對它是關鍵基礎設施我只是本來要借用這個單位借用這個時間邀請主委主委剛剛已經講了在法規管理上面的困難處長張署長我也想請你分享一下你第一線地修會不會有什麼問題他們吃苦耐勞真的很辛苦\n署長我寫寶貴的時間給你要不要分享一下特別跟委員報告那我們對於海域的監控部門海巡署是用我們的雷達包括跟友軍的聯合勤監的部門那對於在自由在海岸區域的這些船舶我們會去監控它另外重要的\n最近對於海南部分他有一個告警的設施那我們根據這個部分我們去第一個時間點我們發現可疑滯留或者是有可能是這個權益輪迫我們就會派件去處理第一時間就會處理所以我們第一時間我們會主動發現可疑我們就去處理這是本於你們權責嘛在海疆上面發現狀況你們就會過去可是過去了以後要處理的時候你的權你的責\n清楚嗎?你有辦法處理嗎?你的困難在哪裡?這個部分就是說,如果是我們覺得有犯罪可疑,我們會去驅離第一個部分,如果沒有犯罪可疑,他在那個區域我們先驅離告警然後通知航港單位,做航空管理先去廣播那如果不行的話,我們的海巡署的艦船也會去做相關的驅離跟所有的勤務作為\n謝謝署長啦我想這個行行都有專業啦因為我在3月的時候也跟海委會跟海巡署這邊討論過我們辦公室有來討論過所以在海上執法是櫃會的專業那定立法地修正法令應該是我們立法委員應該要盡的職責我發現有幾個部分啦齁這個其實我們討論過嘛現在海巡署在執法的時候的困難\n應該是可以有比如說船隻定位系統GIS為常態且為正確的開發目前無法則導致可以船隻抓不勝抓那我覺得這個就可以討論了嘛然後電信管理法的72條所稱未遂犯定義不明什麼是未遂犯這個部分應該要讓海巡署可以\n有清楚的定義讓你們執法能夠順暢也不會遭到這種抗拒等等然後再來現行的處罰沒有包括船隻禁止再進入有國海域扣押或沒入等樣態船隻常常遭到驅離之後又再繞回來防不勝防\n我想這幾個都是海巡弟兄其實在實務執行上面會發生的狀況所以我非常同意也期待主委因為主委你的經驗和高度其實很可以跨部會剛剛說的這部分我是認為其實應該在進行修法的部分海巡組的弟兄當然裝備要有要錢給錢 要人給人我總是這樣講所以剛剛聽到裝備\n要真裝備 我就想到我們的預算被煽動這麼多實在是還要說要裝裝備 這實在是很辛苦不過我覺得法規要能夠明確讓各位有權才能夠請他們負責 我覺得這也是必要的啦謝謝委員關心 剛剛委員真的是真知灼見譬如說剛剛提到AIS沒有罰則的部分那我們海巡就去跟航港局聯絡 希望他們去修傳播法\n那另外譬如說前天之所以被判決沒入的那個抽砂船也是我們去請委員替我們修法所以呢那個船舶最後沒入才會被判決定這樣子\n謝謝那我是希望主委把這些相關的法條其實是可以請這個在會後給我們一份報告讓整個委員會一起來為您做支持譬如說以電力來講的話現在電力的纜線斷掉它的法則跟電信就不一樣我們要修電業法才能夠對齊這個也是我們也有在溝通好那請提供資料給委員會謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.339 --> 00:02.671\n好謝謝主席我們請管主委好請主委\n\n00:10.602 --> 00:37.720\n主委剛剛您在進入會場的時候議場的時候其實我看到有非常多的媒體記者都在追著你詢問現在大家很關心的這個我們的這個海巡弟兄啊或者上次有說要進行大規模的這個調查了解狀況以後看看部隊裡面是不是也有人有這個中國拘留證的問題你有一個方回答我想請主委在備詢台上是不是正式的跟我們說明一下調查的如何\n\n00:39.801 --> 01:08.262\n後續要怎麼處理好各位也說明就是說定居證是沒有沒有定居證的沒有定居證所以剛剛說沒有剛剛跟媒體說沒有是定居證沒有那居住證有三位護照也沒有所以護照定居證都沒有但是有三位那這三位你怎麼處置三位是在我們招募之前取得的那已經依法全部都註銷了那會涉及到機敏的業務嗎\n\n01:09.901 --> 01:12.945\n目前他們沒有都沒有嗎我想是這樣國安的問題是絕對不容跨線的所以他在方方面面的處置上面其實我們都要非常的注意這個是我想政府一體大家都是應該要注意的各單位都應該注意\n\n01:25.979 --> 01:31.721\n所以我今天除了剛剛要再讓您說得更清楚一點的這個拘留證的問題之外我也想來談談最近大家討論很多的海底電纜都被破壞頻頻被破壞的這個部分我想先請問主委主委你知道我們這個台灣周圍很依賴在海底電纜嘛那海底電纜有分通信電纜跟電力電纜兩種我們的通信電纜在有多少\n\n01:52.430 --> 01:55.092\n我們有國際的14條國內的也有10條有這麼多的電纜那最近發生的這些電纜被破壞的事件大概有多少嗎\n\n02:09.861 --> 02:35.855\n數字大概是今年是三千電力也有一件電力有一件我沒有要抽考你這種問答題備答附送的資料都在這裡我們是跟速發部調出來的資料速發部給我們的資料是從2021年迄今有三十幾件有三十幾件這樣子的狀況而且我問他說為什麼沒有2021年之前的我猜想我自己猜想的\n\n02:36.255 --> 02:48.261\n是也許是在2021年之前沒有這麼頻繁發生的狀況所以某程度我們是不是也可以覺得這種發生的頻率已經開始有電纜被破壞的常態化的狀況呢這個數字是速發部給我們的而且我們可以看到每一次這個電纜如果是壞掉的話平均的修復大概就是要2000萬左右那修復的時間還沒有辦法確定\n\n03:03.889 --> 03:20.081\n所以可以看得出來這其實是一個很嚴重的狀況主委你應該了解這個電纜被破壞的狀況而且這個破壞的電纜還是我們請署長回答也可以看哪一個單位就是這個被破壞的狀況看起來都大概是什麼樣的原因發生的\n\n03:21.181 --> 03:41.907\n有第一個有自然的斷裂第二個有也其實也有些案例是漁船意外那我們晚進比較高度密駐的是有一些權宜輪是不是故意那以這一次洪太來講那警察官初步調查的結果是認為說是有故意我們也認為說我們長達三天監控他\n\n03:45.868 --> 03:53.252\n然後這中間有7次我們海巡是海巡嘛好那我其實這就是今天我最重要的問題我們可以看到這個通信電纜是重要的它的破壞頻率在增高而且破壞的看起來大部分是中國的抽砂船中國的漁船還有當然有其他商船自燃的這樣的狀況\n\n04:09.221 --> 04:37.981\n好那處理的人是誰第一線處理的都是海巡單位可是這些電纜的主管單位是誰呢這些主管單位我看得出我去調查了一下主管單位海底電纜因為是電信業所以它屬於通船會處理的然後因為海底電纜又是關鍵基礎設施所以其實又歸速發部管那這些船來破壞海底電纜的船是誰呢因為船的出入是屬於交通部航管局所以所有的主管機關都是別人\n\n04:38.561 --> 04:48.484\n可是去第一線處理的是誰是海巡啊我想請署長或者是主委你可不可以跟我們分享一下你們在實務上你們不是主管機關但是卻是第一線的主管單位你們會不會有困難會不會有什麼辛苦在這裡讓你有時間說明一下\n\n04:54.646 --> 05:07.563\n跟委員報告因此就會有一些狀況是非常需要進一步去做跨部會的合作的譬如說晚進的兩艘船所造成的斷纜事件來講的話那前面的順興99跟後面的宏泰168\n\n05:12.669 --> 05:28.244\n兩艘船的處理程序就不一樣那前面的順興其實他是願意配合我們進港所以他從當天我們抓到他以後他一直配合我們等著要進港就等到第二天的早上他說他們沒辦法再等了\n\n05:28.724 --> 05:50.373\n那這個時候就是跨部會的程序在當時因為它是解編了我們的海底電纜曾經解編成為非關鍵基礎設施所以那個時候它還不是關鍵基礎設施所以它因為一般的程序所以它進港就有困難在這種情況之下所以經過這個事件以後我們就把它恢復為關鍵基礎設施\n\n05:51.994 --> 06:09.040\n那恢復為關鍵基礎設施我沒有反對啊我沒有反對它是關鍵基礎設施我只是本來要借用這個單位借用這個時間邀請主委主委剛剛已經講了在法規管理上面的困難處長張署長我也想請你分享一下你第一線地修會不會有什麼問題他們吃苦耐勞真的很辛苦\n\n06:09.620 --> 06:24.337\n署長我寫寶貴的時間給你要不要分享一下特別跟委員報告那我們對於海域的監控部門海巡署是用我們的雷達包括跟友軍的聯合勤監的部門那對於在自由在海岸區域的這些船舶我們會去監控它另外重要的\n\n06:24.517 --> 06:46.650\n最近對於海南部分他有一個告警的設施那我們根據這個部分我們去第一個時間點我們發現可疑滯留或者是有可能是這個權益輪迫我們就會派件去處理第一時間就會處理所以我們第一時間我們會主動發現可疑我們就去處理這是本於你們權責嘛在海疆上面發現狀況你們就會過去可是過去了以後要處理的時候你的權你的責\n\n06:48.291 --> 07:12.225\n清楚嗎?你有辦法處理嗎?你的困難在哪裡?這個部分就是說,如果是我們覺得有犯罪可疑,我們會去驅離第一個部分,如果沒有犯罪可疑,他在那個區域我們先驅離告警然後通知航港單位,做航空管理先去廣播那如果不行的話,我們的海巡署的艦船也會去做相關的驅離跟所有的勤務作為\n\n07:12.645 --> 07:17.309\n謝謝署長啦我想這個行行都有專業啦因為我在3月的時候也跟海委會跟海巡署這邊討論過我們辦公室有來討論過所以在海上執法是櫃會的專業那定立法地修正法令應該是我們立法委員應該要盡的職責我發現有幾個部分啦齁這個其實我們討論過嘛現在海巡署在執法的時候的困難\n\n07:37.107 --> 07:40.928\n應該是可以有比如說船隻定位系統GIS為常態且為正確的開發目前無法則導致可以船隻抓不勝抓那我覺得這個就可以討論了嘛然後電信管理法的72條所稱未遂犯定義不明什麼是未遂犯這個部分應該要讓海巡署可以\n\n07:57.814 --> 08:02.000\n有清楚的定義讓你們執法能夠順暢也不會遭到這種抗拒等等然後再來現行的處罰沒有包括船隻禁止再進入有國海域扣押或沒入等樣態船隻常常遭到驅離之後又再繞回來防不勝防\n\n08:13.254 --> 08:29.641\n我想這幾個都是海巡弟兄其實在實務執行上面會發生的狀況所以我非常同意也期待主委因為主委你的經驗和高度其實很可以跨部會剛剛說的這部分我是認為其實應該在進行修法的部分海巡組的弟兄當然裝備要有要錢給錢要人給人我總是這樣講所以剛剛聽到裝備\n\n08:36.103 --> 08:44.145\n要真裝備我就想到我們的預算被煽動這麼多實在是還要說要裝裝備這實在是很辛苦不過我覺得法規要能夠明確讓各位有權才能夠請他們負責我覺得這也是必要的啦謝謝委員關心剛剛委員真的是真知灼見譬如說剛剛提到AIS沒有罰則的部分那我們海巡就去跟航港局聯絡希望他們去修傳播法\n\n09:01.329 --> 09:14.064\n那另外譬如說前天之所以被判決沒入的那個抽砂船也是我們去請委員替我們修法所以呢那個船舶最後沒入才會被判決定這樣子\n\n09:16.807 --> 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