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00:01:19,534\n現在我們國外的旅費被通刪了60%這是一個非常非常大的打擊等於直接銷入我們在海域安全上面跟其他國家的交流這是我在這邊要非常嚴厲譴責也要在這邊\n\n5\n00:01:23,079 --> 00:01:26,083\n希望呼籲接下來如果還有類似的經費絕對不能這樣亂刪因為這跟我們接下來非常關注的海域跟其他國際上的交流非常之重要啊尤其是我才剛提到海南外交結果就被砍掉了各位原報告\n\n6\n00:01:38,218 --> 00:01:59,275\n就是海巡的部分有特別做一個決議說海巡35%就好那海委會整體還是在60%但是問題在海巡更嚴重為什麼呢他雖然3的%數是15%但他弄一個不得留用不得留用的意思就是說你不夠欠錢過去是我海委會可以給你每年都給我海委會出國的錢\n\n7\n00:02:03,979 --> 00:02:13,810\n因為海巡你要去跟其他的國家交流要去跟他們學習要去跟他們訓練我們的海巡是很多的還要去跟他們做外交所以他們都沒辦法已經每年都沒辦法都要我幫忙\n\n8\n00:02:19,697 --> 00:02:43,797\n現在連交換口也不能給他因為他就規定不能留用所以這個部分說起來數字裡面常有實在是不為人知的苦楚在裡面所以國外的旅費對我們來講尤其是海巡不得留用的這部分是很大的傷害那國內的旅費\n\n9\n00:02:45,758 --> 00:03:04,864\n我們真的是很辛苦跟委員報告國內的旅費刪除的結果雖然你說總額幾千萬不多但是委員我們就因此我們東沙的弟兄他們要回來休假都要搭飛機來回我們因為國內旅費刪減的結果\n\n10\n00:03:07,685 --> 00:03:22,251\n我們三百分之二十而且不得留用導致於我們東沙的弟兄沒有辦法百分之百的就可以搭飛機來回休假是影響他們休假的權益嗎\n\n11\n00:03:23,818 --> 00:03:40,223\n我們就變成在調度上會影響我們在調度上面的摯愛那另外就是他要花更多的時間在交通我們就要去把他喬準出來所以他沒有多少行李我們就要去喬準喬準的時候時間就比較長所以休假的時間還有交通的時間等等就影響我們的調度\n\n12\n00:03:45,865 --> 00:04:03,124\n我們都不可以到外面看不到,那整個海巡現在變成國內的出差、散雜費全部不能領你出差有時候要買一個便當,現在自己出錢,以前就是出差、散雜費,現在都完全不能領\n\n13\n00:04:04,145 --> 00:04:28,579\n是啦對於公務員真的很辛苦啦這個我們大家也是非常努力做事為了國家為了海域的安全在努力結果現在被刪成這樣對於我們公務員的打擊士氣打擊也是非常大那我在這邊講一個我認為也是非常嚴重的啦就是設備費因為這個海巡在第一線是非常非常需要良好的設備來守護他們的安全還有進行搜救的安全\n\n14\n00:04:29,239 --> 00:04:55,367\n結果這次設備費砍了6%8.9億那是不是他們在個人的設備上面的更新都會受到影響啊本來有影響就是說我那個設備裡面今年有新的案嘛新增預算新增預算不是說增加就很快樂增加都是救命錢實在是一塊錢都不應該省為什麼我要買防彈背心的我要買攔截鎖的\n\n15\n00:04:57,068 --> 00:05:08,460\n我要買短武器的啦我要買救生救難設備這個我們都有看過海巡人員在海上第一線的這個工作執行是非常辛苦的非常高風險的要補一個個就變成我兩台船沒辦法高船了\n\n16\n00:05:15,371 --> 00:05:26,983\n所以講到這邊我是覺得很難過啦也替我們海巡人員感到很不捨啦就不敢咩所以在這邊也是再次的幫我們辛苦的海巡人打氣啦那在這邊還有一點時間我要講一下這個海嵐的事情因為其實我在總質詢也提過了包括說現在我們\n\n17\n00:05:32,489 --> 00:05:55,135\n海嵐受到的風險是非常高的那其實在4月1號我知道行政院也因為我們非常有的很多委員都很關心所以有開了一個強化我國海嵐的研討會議那之後也有提相關的修法的準備那我不知道說現在準備的進度到哪裡了那我在這邊提一個因為其實最近中國他們不只是用貨船用漁船最近還用科研船\n\n18\n00:05:57,336 --> 00:06:11,597\n那他們這種類似的間諜船越來越多了那最近有一個中國的研究是說他們會把這個切斷海欖的工具搭載在科研船上面然後不只是淺海的海欖可以切斷連深海的海欖他們也覬覦\n\n19\n00:06:13,604 --> 00:06:26,871\n那這種間諜船在我看來是風險非常高那最近澳洲也因為中國的這個探索一號直接跟著他們的海嵐的路線沿著他們海嵐路線在行駛讓澳洲非常警戒\n\n20\n00:06:27,918 --> 00:06:46,440\n那像這種間諜船接下來是不是也會影響如果他們不只是在我們台灣海峽未來他們在我們東部在我們北部開始覬覦我們的深海的海嵐該怎麼辦是不是應該眼光看遠一點他們現在包括我知道你們最近終於把這個台澎三號\n\n21\n00:06:47,401 --> 00:07:02,336\n虹泰58終於可以用司法來制裁嘛這個初步有一個好的結果那未來除此之外其他法律修法相關之外我們這些深海的海嵐到底有沒有一些防範的方式以及往前看到底該怎麼預防\n\n22\n00:07:04,884 --> 00:07:24,022\n我想中華電信本身也很努力他們也在對於他們的海嵐的汰換或者是海嵐的這個發展的各方面的技術還有備援系統等等他們都有努力的在精進那對於海嵐的守護他們也有智慧的監控的系統\n\n23\n00:07:25,083 --> 00:07:42,216\n那我晚近也有陸陸續續在請海巡跟他們建議就是說無人機隊的守護說不定也可以引進我們國內已經有無人機隊被僱用來巡查直升機隊巡查離岸風電\n\n24\n00:07:44,358 --> 00:08:06,153\n那直升機隊能夠民間如果租賃雇用來幫忙也做巡查那我們海巡就會有中華電信航港局跟海巡之外我們有三層的防護之外再加一層空中這樣的一個巡防那我們最近也都有在溝通\n\n25\n00:08:09,815 --> 00:08:32,605\n那委員剛剛講的修法的部分我們4月22號要開第二次會議行政院政務委員會來主持各部會就分頭回去他們需要修的法分頭回去研議那第二次會議是4月22號會開太好了4月22號開第二次會那我也希望盡快啦因為我看起來是非常迫切\n\n26\n00:08:33,805 --> 00:08:59,125\n就最近這個澳洲的例子看起來然後再加上因為我們現在的法律上法律工具真的很不足包括說現在只能預警啊驅離啊那什麼時候可以沒入什麼時候可以開罰不知道是有刑責也可以開罰但是對於船的沒入目前還沒有像那個那個塗財法跟專精法一樣就是說\n\n27\n00:09:00,126 --> 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都要我幫忙\n139697\t163797\t現在連交換口也不能給他因為他就規定不能留用所以這個部分說起來數字裡面常有實在是不為人知的苦楚在裡面所以國外的旅費對我們來講尤其是海巡不得留用的這部分是很大的傷害那國內的旅費\n165758\t184864\t我們真的是很辛苦跟委員報告國內的旅費刪除的結果雖然你說總額幾千萬不多但是委員我們就因此我們東沙的弟兄他們要回來休假都要搭飛機來回我們因為國內旅費刪減的結果\n187685\t202251\t我們三百分之二十而且不得留用導致於我們東沙的弟兄沒有辦法百分之百的就可以搭飛機來回休假是影響他們休假的權益嗎\n203818\t220223\t我們就變成在調度上會影響我們在調度上面的摯愛那另外就是他要花更多的時間在交通我們就要去把他喬準出來所以他沒有多少行李我們就要去喬準喬準的時候時間就比較長所以休假的時間還有交通的時間等等就影響我們的調度\n225865\t243124\t我們都不可以到外面看不到,那整個海巡現在變成國內的出差、散雜費全部不能領你出差有時候要買一個便當,現在自己出錢,以前就是出差、散雜費,現在都完全不能領\n244145\t268579\t是啦 對於公務員真的很辛苦啦這個我們大家也是非常努力做事為了國家為了海域的安全在努力結果現在被刪成這樣對於我們公務員的打擊士氣打擊也是非常大那我在這邊講一個我認為也是非常嚴重的啦就是設備費因為這個海巡在第一線是非常非常需要良好的設備來守護他們的安全還有進行搜救的安全\n269239\t295367\t結果這次設備費砍了6%8.9億那是不是他們在個人的設備上面的更新都會受到影響啊本來有影響就是說我那個設備裡面今年有新的案嘛新增預算新增預算不是說增加就很快樂增加都是救命錢實在是一塊錢都不應該省為什麼我要買防彈背心的我要買攔截鎖的\n297068\t308460\t我要買短武器的啦我要買救生救難設備這個我們都有看過海巡人員在海上第一線的這個工作執行是非常辛苦的非常高風險的要補一個個就變成我兩台船沒辦法高船了\n315371\t326983\t所以講到這邊我是覺得很難過啦也替我們海巡人員感到很不捨啦就不敢咩所以在這邊也是再次的幫我們辛苦的海巡人打氣啦那在這邊還有一點時間我要講一下這個海嵐的事情因為其實我在總質詢也提過了包括說現在我們\n332489\t355135\t海嵐受到的風險是非常高的那其實在4月1號我知道行政院也因為我們非常有的很多委員都很關心所以有開了一個強化我國海嵐的研討會議那之後也有提相關的修法的準備那我不知道說現在準備的進度到哪裡了那我在這邊提一個因為其實最近中國他們不只是用貨船用漁船最近還用科研船\n357336\t371597\t那他們這種類似的間諜船越來越多了那最近有一個中國的研究是說他們會把這個切斷海欖的工具搭載在科研船上面然後不只是淺海的海欖可以切斷連深海的海欖他們也覬覦\n373604\t386871\t那這種間諜船在我看來是風險非常高那最近澳洲也因為中國的這個探索一號直接跟著他們的海嵐的路線沿著他們海嵐路線在行駛讓澳洲非常警戒\n387918\t406440\t那像這種間諜船接下來是不是也會影響如果他們不只是在我們台灣海峽未來他們在我們東部在我們北部開始覬覦我們的深海的海嵐該怎麼辦是不是應該眼光看遠一點他們現在包括我知道你們最近終於把這個台澎三號\n407401\t422336\t虹泰58終於可以用司法來制裁嘛這個初步有一個好的結果那未來除此之外其他法律修法相關之外我們這些深海的海嵐到底有沒有一些防範的方式以及往前看到底該怎麼預防\n424884\t444022\t我想中華電信本身也很努力他們也在對於他們的海嵐的汰換或者是海嵐的這個發展的各方面的技術還有備援系統等等他們都有努力的在精進那對於海嵐的守護他們也有智慧的監控的系統\n445083\t462216\t那我晚近也有陸陸續續在請海巡跟他們建議就是說無人機隊的守護說不定也可以引進我們國內已經有無人機隊被僱用來巡查直升機隊巡查離岸風電\n464358\t486153\t那直升機隊能夠民間如果租賃 雇用來幫忙也做巡查那我們海巡就會有中華電信 航港局跟海巡之外我們有三層的防護之外 再加一層空中這樣的一個巡防那我們最近也都有在溝通\n489815\t512605\t那委員剛剛講的修法的部分我們4月22號要開第二次會議行政院政務委員會來主持各部會就分頭回去他們需要修的法分頭回去研議那第二次會議是4月22號會開太好了4月22號開第二次會那我也希望盡快啦因為我看起來是非常迫切\n513805\t539125\t就最近這個澳洲的例子看起來然後再加上因為我們現在的法律上法律工具真的很不足包括說現在只能預警啊驅離啊那什麼時候可以沒入什麼時候可以開罰不知道是有刑責也可以開罰但是對於船的沒入目前還沒有像那個那個塗財法跟專精法一樣就是說\n540126\t568572\t以我們現在的民刑法的體系來看這一艘船的船東是別人然後犯罪行為人是船長跟船員那以我們現在的司法體系呢它又不是他們的船那又不是船東犯的法所以你要沒入的話法律是不允許的所以我們必須去修法說這種犯刑的船雖然非屬行為人所有也\n569752\t581320\t應該沒入也可以沒入必須修這個法我們才有辦法得到法院的支持好謝謝那我也希望朝這個方向再加緊研議好謝謝主委謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 我們請貫主委好 請主委委員好\n好 主委好首先我還是要跟您再次的請教這個預算的部分因為其實很多委員都有提到了3月底公告的這個總預算被刪減跟凍結的結果很可能造成很多重要的預算沒有辦法執行下去那我就我幾個非常關心的部分來跟您請教第一個是國外旅費的部分被刪了60%那這一點我非常擔心是因為還記得上一次總諮詢的時候我也在\n一場請教主委說我們是不是應該要針對最近的海瀾的狀況來加強擴大跟國際聯防在海瀾外交以及國際安全上面做更多的區域聯防那當時我認為接下來很重要就是利用這個國外旅費的部分來參加更多的國際安全的會議然後像波羅的海周遭的國家一樣進行海瀾的外交結果\n現在我們國外的旅費被通刪了60%這是一個非常非常大的打擊等於直接銷入我們在海域安全上面跟其他國家的交流這是我在這邊要非常嚴厲譴責也要在這邊\n希望呼籲接下來如果還有類似的經費絕對不能這樣亂刪因為這跟我們接下來非常關注的海域跟其他國際上的交流非常之重要啊尤其是我才剛提到海南外交結果就被砍掉了各位原報告\n就是海巡的部分有特別做一個決議說海巡35%就好那海委會整體還是在60%但是問題在海巡更嚴重為什麼呢他雖然3的%數是15%但他弄一個不得留用不得留用的意思就是說你不夠欠錢過去是我海委會可以給你每年都給我海委會出國的錢\n因為海巡你要去跟其他的國家交流要去跟他們學習 要去跟他們訓練我們的海巡是很多的 還要去跟他們做外交所以他們都沒辦法 已經每年都沒辦法 都要我幫忙\n現在連交換口也不能給他因為他就規定不能留用所以這個部分說起來數字裡面常有實在是不為人知的苦楚在裡面所以國外的旅費對我們來講尤其是海巡不得留用的這部分是很大的傷害那國內的旅費\n我們真的是很辛苦跟委員報告國內的旅費刪除的結果雖然你說總額幾千萬不多但是委員我們就因此我們東沙的弟兄他們要回來休假都要搭飛機來回我們因為國內旅費刪減的結果\n我們三百分之二十而且不得留用導致於我們東沙的弟兄沒有辦法百分之百的就可以搭飛機來回休假是影響他們休假的權益嗎\n我們就變成在調度上會影響我們在調度上面的摯愛那另外就是他要花更多的時間在交通我們就要去把他喬準出來所以他沒有多少行李我們就要去喬準喬準的時候時間就比較長所以休假的時間還有交通的時間等等就影響我們的調度\n我們都不可以到外面看不到,那整個海巡現在變成國內的出差、散雜費全部不能領你出差有時候要買一個便當,現在自己出錢,以前就是出差、散雜費,現在都完全不能領\n是啦 對於公務員真的很辛苦啦這個我們大家也是非常努力做事為了國家為了海域的安全在努力結果現在被刪成這樣對於我們公務員的打擊士氣打擊也是非常大那我在這邊講一個我認為也是非常嚴重的啦就是設備費因為這個海巡在第一線是非常非常需要良好的設備來守護他們的安全還有進行搜救的安全\n結果這次設備費砍了6%8.9億那是不是他們在個人的設備上面的更新都會受到影響啊本來有影響就是說我那個設備裡面今年有新的案嘛新增預算新增預算不是說增加就很快樂增加都是救命錢實在是一塊錢都不應該省為什麼我要買防彈背心的我要買攔截鎖的\n我要買短武器的啦我要買救生救難設備這個我們都有看過海巡人員在海上第一線的這個工作執行是非常辛苦的非常高風險的要補一個個就變成我兩台船沒辦法高船了\n所以講到這邊我是覺得很難過啦也替我們海巡人員感到很不捨啦就不敢咩所以在這邊也是再次的幫我們辛苦的海巡人打氣啦那在這邊還有一點時間我要講一下這個海嵐的事情因為其實我在總質詢也提過了包括說現在我們\n海嵐受到的風險是非常高的那其實在4月1號我知道行政院也因為我們非常有的很多委員都很關心所以有開了一個強化我國海嵐的研討會議那之後也有提相關的修法的準備那我不知道說現在準備的進度到哪裡了那我在這邊提一個因為其實最近中國他們不只是用貨船用漁船最近還用科研船\n那他們這種類似的間諜船越來越多了那最近有一個中國的研究是說他們會把這個切斷海欖的工具搭載在科研船上面然後不只是淺海的海欖可以切斷連深海的海欖他們也覬覦\n那這種間諜船在我看來是風險非常高那最近澳洲也因為中國的這個探索一號直接跟著他們的海嵐的路線沿著他們海嵐路線在行駛讓澳洲非常警戒\n那像這種間諜船接下來是不是也會影響如果他們不只是在我們台灣海峽未來他們在我們東部在我們北部開始覬覦我們的深海的海嵐該怎麼辦是不是應該眼光看遠一點他們現在包括我知道你們最近終於把這個台澎三號\n虹泰58終於可以用司法來制裁嘛這個初步有一個好的結果那未來除此之外其他法律修法相關之外我們這些深海的海嵐到底有沒有一些防範的方式以及往前看到底該怎麼預防\n我想中華電信本身也很努力他們也在對於他們的海嵐的汰換或者是海嵐的這個發展的各方面的技術還有備援系統等等他們都有努力的在精進那對於海嵐的守護他們也有智慧的監控的系統\n那我晚近也有陸陸續續在請海巡跟他們建議就是說無人機隊的守護說不定也可以引進我們國內已經有無人機隊被僱用來巡查直升機隊巡查離岸風電\n那直升機隊能夠民間如果租賃 雇用來幫忙也做巡查那我們海巡就會有中華電信 航港局跟海巡之外我們有三層的防護之外 再加一層空中這樣的一個巡防那我們最近也都有在溝通\n那委員剛剛講的修法的部分我們4月22號要開第二次會議行政院政務委員會來主持各部會就分頭回去他們需要修的法分頭回去研議那第二次會議是4月22號會開太好了4月22號開第二次會那我也希望盡快啦因為我看起來是非常迫切\n就最近這個澳洲的例子看起來然後再加上因為我們現在的法律上法律工具真的很不足包括說現在只能預警啊驅離啊那什麼時候可以沒入什麼時候可以開罰不知道是有刑責也可以開罰但是對於船的沒入目前還沒有像那個那個塗財法跟專精法一樣就是說\n以我們現在的民刑法的體系來看這一艘船的船東是別人然後犯罪行為人是船長跟船員那以我們現在的司法體系呢它又不是他們的船那又不是船東犯的法所以你要沒入的話法律是不允許的所以我們必須去修法說這種犯刑的船雖然非屬行為人所有也\n應該沒入也可以沒入必須修這個法我們才有辦法得到法院的支持好謝謝那我也希望朝這個方向再加緊研議好謝謝主委謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.370 --> 00:09.726\n好謝謝主席我們請貫主委好請主委委員好\n\n00:10.765 --> 00:38.893\n好主委好首先我還是要跟您再次的請教這個預算的部分因為其實很多委員都有提到了3月底公告的這個總預算被刪減跟凍結的結果很可能造成很多重要的預算沒有辦法執行下去那我就我幾個非常關心的部分來跟您請教第一個是國外旅費的部分被刪了60%那這一點我非常擔心是因為還記得上一次總諮詢的時候我也在\n\n00:39.713 --> 01:05.015\n一場請教主委說我們是不是應該要針對最近的海瀾的狀況來加強擴大跟國際聯防在海瀾外交以及國際安全上面做更多的區域聯防那當時我認為接下來很重要就是利用這個國外旅費的部分來參加更多的國際安全的會議然後像波羅的海周遭的國家一樣進行海瀾的外交結果\n\n01:06.897 --> 01:19.534\n現在我們國外的旅費被通刪了60%這是一個非常非常大的打擊等於直接銷入我們在海域安全上面跟其他國家的交流這是我在這邊要非常嚴厲譴責也要在這邊\n\n01:23.079 --> 01:26.083\n希望呼籲接下來如果還有類似的經費絕對不能這樣亂刪因為這跟我們接下來非常關注的海域跟其他國際上的交流非常之重要啊尤其是我才剛提到海南外交結果就被砍掉了各位原報告\n\n01:38.218 --> 01:59.275\n就是海巡的部分有特別做一個決議說海巡35%就好那海委會整體還是在60%但是問題在海巡更嚴重為什麼呢他雖然3的%數是15%但他弄一個不得留用不得留用的意思就是說你不夠欠錢過去是我海委會可以給你每年都給我海委會出國的錢\n\n02:03.979 --> 02:13.810\n因為海巡你要去跟其他的國家交流要去跟他們學習要去跟他們訓練我們的海巡是很多的還要去跟他們做外交所以他們都沒辦法已經每年都沒辦法都要我幫忙\n\n02:19.697 --> 02:43.797\n現在連交換口也不能給他因為他就規定不能留用所以這個部分說起來數字裡面常有實在是不為人知的苦楚在裡面所以國外的旅費對我們來講尤其是海巡不得留用的這部分是很大的傷害那國內的旅費\n\n02:45.758 --> 03:04.864\n我們真的是很辛苦跟委員報告國內的旅費刪除的結果雖然你說總額幾千萬不多但是委員我們就因此我們東沙的弟兄他們要回來休假都要搭飛機來回我們因為國內旅費刪減的結果\n\n03:07.685 --> 03:22.251\n我們三百分之二十而且不得留用導致於我們東沙的弟兄沒有辦法百分之百的就可以搭飛機來回休假是影響他們休假的權益嗎\n\n03:23.818 --> 03:40.223\n我們就變成在調度上會影響我們在調度上面的摯愛那另外就是他要花更多的時間在交通我們就要去把他喬準出來所以他沒有多少行李我們就要去喬準喬準的時候時間就比較長所以休假的時間還有交通的時間等等就影響我們的調度\n\n03:45.865 --> 04:03.124\n我們都不可以到外面看不到,那整個海巡現在變成國內的出差、散雜費全部不能領你出差有時候要買一個便當,現在自己出錢,以前就是出差、散雜費,現在都完全不能領\n\n04:04.145 --> 04:28.579\n是啦對於公務員真的很辛苦啦這個我們大家也是非常努力做事為了國家為了海域的安全在努力結果現在被刪成這樣對於我們公務員的打擊士氣打擊也是非常大那我在這邊講一個我認為也是非常嚴重的啦就是設備費因為這個海巡在第一線是非常非常需要良好的設備來守護他們的安全還有進行搜救的安全\n\n04:29.239 --> 04:55.367\n結果這次設備費砍了6%8.9億那是不是他們在個人的設備上面的更新都會受到影響啊本來有影響就是說我那個設備裡面今年有新的案嘛新增預算新增預算不是說增加就很快樂增加都是救命錢實在是一塊錢都不應該省為什麼我要買防彈背心的我要買攔截鎖的\n\n04:57.068 --> 05:08.460\n我要買短武器的啦我要買救生救難設備這個我們都有看過海巡人員在海上第一線的這個工作執行是非常辛苦的非常高風險的要補一個個就變成我兩台船沒辦法高船了\n\n05:15.371 --> 05:26.983\n所以講到這邊我是覺得很難過啦也替我們海巡人員感到很不捨啦就不敢咩所以在這邊也是再次的幫我們辛苦的海巡人打氣啦那在這邊還有一點時間我要講一下這個海嵐的事情因為其實我在總質詢也提過了包括說現在我們\n\n05:32.489 --> 05:55.135\n海嵐受到的風險是非常高的那其實在4月1號我知道行政院也因為我們非常有的很多委員都很關心所以有開了一個強化我國海嵐的研討會議那之後也有提相關的修法的準備那我不知道說現在準備的進度到哪裡了那我在這邊提一個因為其實最近中國他們不只是用貨船用漁船最近還用科研船\n\n05:57.336 --> 06:11.597\n那他們這種類似的間諜船越來越多了那最近有一個中國的研究是說他們會把這個切斷海欖的工具搭載在科研船上面然後不只是淺海的海欖可以切斷連深海的海欖他們也覬覦\n\n06:13.604 --> 06:26.871\n那這種間諜船在我看來是風險非常高那最近澳洲也因為中國的這個探索一號直接跟著他們的海嵐的路線沿著他們海嵐路線在行駛讓澳洲非常警戒\n\n06:27.918 --> 06:46.440\n那像這種間諜船接下來是不是也會影響如果他們不只是在我們台灣海峽未來他們在我們東部在我們北部開始覬覦我們的深海的海嵐該怎麼辦是不是應該眼光看遠一點他們現在包括我知道你們最近終於把這個台澎三號\n\n06:47.401 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