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00:02:03,077\n中間會差三四十海域所以你們判斷點位的資料來源其實也是來自於中華電信所以其實給他們時間做精確的判斷是有必要但是如果說我們判斷說是故意行為的可能性很高的時候呢我們海巡就願意我們也願意負擔這種成本\n\n7\n00:02:03,837 --> 00:02:25,994\n像我們在這剛剛委員講的這幾次當中我們就有齁出去結果說不對又回來所以這個有兩個問題嘛第一個是說這個海嵐的所有者基本上就中華電信來做管理等等他有沒有辦法第一時間精準的通報資料這第一個這個需要你們政府跨部的加強溝通跟協調啦這個時間總是要縮短第二個是你有辦法第一時間去掌握相關船舶的位置跟狀況嗎\n\n8\n00:02:27,655 --> 00:02:53,242\n宏泰就是我們事先就監控他監控了三天我現在就先講順興這件事還有他衍生出來一些問題啦以順興號來講其實他就是AIS他可能會關掉或是想辦法規避這件事情那就本期的了解這個現行傳播法應該是要規定就是說要理論上應該要開啟AIS系統但如果沒有開啟好像也沒有罰則對不對那這個部分是不是應該要做一些修正跟加強的把控呢\n\n9\n00:02:54,820 --> 00:03:07,958\n傳播法這一次研議的內容也包含這一點還包括說他變換或者他開了又關開了又關沒錯嘛他可能有意規避奇怪的行為嘛那我們現在先分級我們有個黑名單\n\n10\n00:03:09,559 --> 00:03:32,246\n分級的指標裡面就有你是不是開了又關開了又關我今天要問這個問題的關鍵其實在傳播法到底什麼時候要修法你們政府現在有沒有打算要針對這個地方做規制的調整我們持續在跨部會的開會協調之中那有沒有一些比如說時間進度上的安排因為我覺得這好像是看起來這個事情是國安危機嘛對不對4月22號要開第二次會議\n\n11\n00:03:34,267 --> 00:04:01,421\n4月22號開第二次會議是有沒有預計什麼時候會把這個修法跟妳剛剛講的分級制度也許都是一個可以改善的狀況因為其實我們是執法單位業務主管不是我們法不是我們修是我們去你們去提出需求嘛所以你們在提出需求現在有沒有人給你阻力就是他們不想做啊麻煩這個怎麼了會嗎因為傳播法修法我們其實講很久我們當然希望越快越好所以那個製造阻力的單位是誰我們來幫忙溝通一下我跟委員報告就是說\n\n12\n00:04:02,081 --> 00:04:29,920\n這個修法為什麼會那麼困難因為它涉及一修法的時候它適用的範圍是包括所有的漁民那這個部分的話溝通的時間就會比較長時間成本就會比較高你剛剛都講時間很長你總要有一個比如說目標吧比如說我們半年之內我要整合完初步的意見然後刑事初步的法條然後怎麼樣什麼時候要送到行政院來核定再進到立法院來審查你們現在有這個時間表嗎\n\n13\n00:04:32,021 --> 00:04:51,746\n我們不是主管機關沒辦法定時間表但是以我們來講我們就是很積極的在溝通我們積極的在溝通另外一個是預先預防的一個機制啦就是如果至少雖然你沒有辦法第一時間判斷海嵐發生斷裂的地點在哪裡對不對但海嵐的位置總是固定的嘛\n\n14\n00:04:52,335 --> 00:05:08,781\n那現在看起來以海委會公布的一些新聞等等也好大概就是有些把毛放下去然後跑嘛然後毛會把海欄勾斷嘛對不對現在看起來這個行為看起來是長這個樣子那有沒有什麼比如說禁毛區啊或怎麼樣一些設置的一些事前預防的機制海委會有沒有一些準備呢\n\n15\n00:05:09,361 --> 00:05:23,613\n海南區作為禁錨區是會需要經過公告去界定它的範圍經過這兩次事件以後呢範圍應該要如何重新公告跟法定有在考慮\n\n16\n00:05:25,015 --> 00:05:48,115\n那這一部分應該會比修傳播法稍微簡單一點吧這個部分比較快下個禮拜會開會下個禮拜會開會什麼時候會有進到公告的程序呢會處理這個這個都是航港局的權責我想不管是修傳播法也好或者是你公告競跑局或者說你剛講的一些分級等等你總要有一些事前預防跟可以先處理的機制我們現在已經都在事前預防是\n\n17\n00:05:49,337 --> 00:06:12,888\n這個強度要出來嘛你才能避免就這樣子奇怪的事情在發生所以我們會抓到紅太就是因為他還沒斷的時候我們已經去到他的我們要確定的是接下來類似這樣的事情你可以有預前掌握嘛或者是預防其實除了紅太我們後續還抓了抓了兩次沒關係你後續的一些成果我們有一個案喔委員我們有一個案是同時抓到兩艘沒關係你後續有一些成果跟你現行的機制跟\n\n18\n00:06:13,408 --> 00:06:33,511\n有不足之處跟你遇到的困難你在會後你整理個詳細的報告我都已經很明確的講就是說要預防這樣的事情其實大家都會覺得說這個為了海南的穩定性啊為了國家安全大家會願意去支持那主力在哪裡你總要講出來嘛大家才能夠趕快的溝通啊搞不好大家可以一起把這個事情加速嘛所以你把遇到的障礙跟困難跟預計的時間會後整理一份資料\n\n19\n00:06:33,971 --> 00:06:50,775\n好最後一分鐘我一定要問現在大家都真正在去執行這些事情當然就是辛苦了海巡的弟兄嘛我們修正你們警察人員人事條例保障退休人員的權益但限職人員也很重要啊現在大家越來越多人去講因為實務上以台海兩岸的特殊狀況來講海巡常常是在第一線嘛\n\n20\n00:06:51,415 --> 00:07:20,735\n有的時候拍那個貢獻的照片海軍拍得比海軍清楚對不對可是最近現在大家在講我們要加強國防戰力我們要改善志願役弟兄的待遇增加他的戰鬥佳績海軍都增加了那請問我們海巡署的弟兄他們算警職人員嘛他們警職人員這些待遇他們做的事情其實跟海軍沒什麼兩樣甚至大家都講現在海軍要變成所謂的第二海軍了那他們做的事情竟然沒有什麼兩樣而且甚至風險跟前線變化都更多那請問海軍的限職人員的待遇應不應該提升\n\n21\n00:07:21,835 --> 00:07:49,291\n警職的部分因為海巡就是軍警文三種身份那軍職的話我們隨著軍職的調升都有做相當的配合軍職就跟著這個軍職的部分走絕大部分現在是警職的部分那警職的部分其實這幾年也陸陸續續有調升一些那晚近我們也在爭取一兩項那能不能容委員就是在我這裡先先不去\n\n22\n00:07:50,311 --> 00:08:08,682\n沒關係你詳細資料跟你的方向我一樣會給你時間來做處理但是我只是要藉這樣的機會來提醒我們在爭取然後有十分得到人事部門的了解沒關係你都整理好一樣跟剛剛一樣把它整理好因為關鍵是你現在在執行的狀況甚至第一線有些警職人員甚至文職人員也要到第一線去處理嘛\n\n23\n00:08:09,542 --> 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是有沒有預計什麼時候會把這個修法跟妳剛剛講的分級制度也許都是一個可以改善的狀況因為其實我們是執法單位業務主管不是我們法不是我們修是我們去你們去提出需求嘛所以你們在提出需求現在有沒有人給你阻力就是他們不想做啊麻煩這個怎麼了 會嗎因為傳播法修法我們其實講很久我們當然希望越快越好所以那個製造阻力的單位是誰我們來幫忙溝通一下我跟委員報告就是說\n242081\t269920\t這個修法為什麼會那麼困難因為它涉及一修法的時候它適用的範圍是包括所有的漁民那這個部分的話溝通的時間就會比較長時間成本就會比較高你剛剛都講時間很長你總要有一個比如說目標吧比如說我們半年之內我要整合完初步的意見然後刑事初步的法條然後怎麼樣什麼時候要送到行政院來核定再進到立法院來審查你們現在有這個時間表嗎\n272021\t291746\t我們不是主管機關沒辦法定時間表但是以我們來講我們就是很積極的在溝通我們積極的在溝通另外一個是預先預防的一個機制啦就是如果至少雖然你沒有辦法第一時間判斷海嵐發生斷裂的地點在哪裡對不對但海嵐的位置總是固定的嘛\n292335\t308781\t那現在看起來以海委會公布的一些新聞等等也好大概就是有些把毛放下去然後跑嘛然後毛會把海欄勾斷嘛對不對現在看起來這個行為看起來是長這個樣子那有沒有什麼比如說禁毛區啊或怎麼樣一些設置的一些事前預防的機制海委會有沒有一些準備呢\n309361\t323613\t海南區作為禁錨區是會需要經過公告去界定它的範圍經過這兩次事件以後呢範圍應該要如何重新公告跟法定有在考慮\n325015\t348115\t那這一部分應該會比修傳播法稍微簡單一點吧這個部分比較快 下個禮拜會開會下個禮拜會開會 什麼時候會有進到公告的程序呢會處理這個 這個都是航港局的權責我想不管是修傳播法也好 或者是你公告競跑局或者說你剛講的一些分級等等你總要有一些事前預防跟可以先處理的機制我們現在已經都在事前預防 是\n349337\t372888\t這個強度要出來嘛你才能避免就這樣子奇怪的事情在發生所以我們會抓到紅太就是因為他還沒斷的時候我們已經去到他的我們要確定的是接下來類似這樣的事情你可以有預前掌握嘛或者是預防其實除了紅太我們後續還抓了抓了兩次沒關係你後續的一些成果我們有一個案喔委員我們有一個案是同時抓到兩艘沒關係你後續有一些成果跟你現行的機制跟\n373408\t393511\t有不足之處跟你遇到的困難你在會後你整理個詳細的報告我都已經很明確的講就是說要預防這樣的事情其實大家都會覺得說這個為了海南的穩定性啊為了國家安全大家會願意去支持那主力在哪裡你總要講出來嘛大家才能夠趕快的溝通啊搞不好大家可以一起把這個事情加速嘛所以你把遇到的障礙跟困難跟預計的時間會後整理一份資料\n393971\t410775\t好最後一分鐘我一定要問現在大家都真正在去執行這些事情當然就是辛苦了海巡的弟兄嘛我們修正你們警察人員人事條例保障退休人員的權益但限職人員也很重要啊現在大家越來越多人去講因為實務上以台海兩岸的特殊狀況來講海巡常常是在第一線嘛\n411415\t440735\t有的時候拍那個貢獻的照片海軍拍得比海軍清楚對不對可是最近現在大家在講我們要加強國防戰力我們要改善志願役弟兄的待遇增加他的戰鬥佳績海軍都增加了那請問我們海巡署的弟兄他們算警職人員嘛他們警職人員這些待遇他們做的事情其實跟海軍沒什麼兩樣甚至大家都講現在海軍要變成所謂的第二海軍了那他們做的事情竟然沒有什麼兩樣而且甚至風險跟前線變化都更多那請問海軍的限職人員的待遇應不應該提升\n441835\t469291\t警職的部分因為海巡就是軍警文三種身份那軍職的話我們隨著軍職的調升都有做相當的配合軍職就跟著這個軍職的部分走絕大部分現在是警職的部分那警職的部分其實這幾年也陸陸續續有調升一些那晚近我們也在爭取一兩項那能不能容委員就是在我這裡先先不去\n470311\t488682\t沒關係你詳細資料跟你的方向我一樣會給你時間來做處理但是我只是要藉這樣的機會來提醒我們在爭取然後有十分得到人事部門的了解沒關係你都整理好一樣跟剛剛一樣把它整理好因為關鍵是你現在在執行的狀況甚至第一線有些警職人員甚至文職人員也要到第一線去處理嘛\n489542\t506237\t那你不要說大家是同工但不同酬的狀況然後去影響基層的士氣所以我們講我們支持海巡支持軍警等等都是不分退休還是限職都應該要合理的提升這是我們的立場所以如果我是希望海委會這邊也要很積極嘛如果說軍事人員都提升了你應該要比照嘛\n506397\t532781\t各位委員報告我一面非常積極的在爭取一面呢我勧勉勉勵我的同仁我們國家的責任扛在身上讓他們信賴長官心情不要浮動那當然嘛那我一面有安撫這個事情也都我們署長也都到第一現場這個都是你們本來就應該做的事情嗎對 都在安定我今天特別會提這個事就是因為大家士氣高昂\n532981\t553651\t我特別會提醒這些事情就是因為現在國防外交委員會等他們已經開始在討論軍人待遇的提升嘛那不要出現落差影響士氣嘛所以我覺得海軍這件事要去做準備好不好所以你把相關的一樣你的規劃跟你的接下來的節奏跟也許會遇到的障礙你一樣先整理嘛我們大家都一起來協助溝通然後幫海軍弟兄爭取更好的待遇這樣可以嗎好謝謝主委辛苦了好我們請區域政委員\n","txt":"主委早安今天先從海底電纜的事件開始探討\n這個今年國內有四次的海底電纜斷裂的事件這個1月3號基隆的外海國際海纜被順興39拖斷1月15跟1月22台馬3號跟台馬2號後來按照海委會的查詢結果應該是自然裂化就是斷裂2月25號颱風3號海纜遭中國權益輪這個鴻泰來拖斷\n那我想要請從這幾個事件裡面討論幾個事情就以1月3號基隆外海國際海欄斷裂事件來講這個當天啊這個7點45分其實就發生海欄斷裂的狀況那當然海巡到中午嘛12點40分左右其實才接到中華電信的通報然後來針對順興號來去做攔查這個中間的時間好像長了一些啦你們彼此之間這個政府之間的跨部的通報的時機跟跨部的協調\n這是不是應該有一些改善的空間你們還有會做哪些努力\n跟委員報告我們經過國安程序之後有稍微縮短時間但是之前時間比較長倒也不是疏忽或者是疏失最主要是我們判斷到什麼階段的問題跟委員報告我們海巡會遇到一種狀況就是第一次判斷出來的點位我們的船去了結果告訴我們說不對不對在另一個點位\n中間會差三四十海域所以你們判斷點位的資料來源其實也是來自於中華電信所以其實給他們時間做精確的判斷是有必要但是如果說我們判斷說是故意行為的可能性很高的時候呢我們海巡就願意我們也願意負擔這種成本\n像我們在這剛剛委員講的這幾次當中我們就有齁出去結果說不對又回來所以這個有兩個問題嘛第一個是說這個海嵐的所有者基本上就中華電信來做管理等等他有沒有辦法第一時間精準的通報資料這第一個這個需要你們政府跨部的加強溝通跟協調啦這個時間總是要縮短第二個是你有辦法第一時間去掌握相關船舶的位置跟狀況嗎\n宏泰就是我們事先就監控他監控了三天我現在就先講順興這件事還有他衍生出來一些問題啦以順興號來講其實他就是AIS他可能會關掉或是想辦法規避這件事情那就本期的了解這個現行傳播法應該是要規定就是說要理論上應該要開啟AIS系統但如果沒有開啟好像也沒有罰則對不對那這個部分是不是應該要做一些修正跟加強的把控呢\n傳播法這一次研議的內容也包含這一點還包括說他變換或者他開了又關開了又關沒錯嘛他可能有意規避奇怪的行為嘛那我們現在先分級我們有個黑名單\n分級的指標裡面就有你是不是開了又關開了又關我今天要問這個問題的關鍵其實在傳播法到底什麼時候要修法你們政府現在有沒有打算要針對這個地方做規制的調整我們持續在跨部會的開會協調之中那有沒有一些比如說時間進度上的安排因為我覺得這好像是看起來這個事情是國安危機嘛對不對4月22號要開第二次會議\n4月22號開第二次會議 是有沒有預計什麼時候會把這個修法跟妳剛剛講的分級制度也許都是一個可以改善的狀況因為其實我們是執法單位業務主管不是我們法不是我們修是我們去你們去提出需求嘛所以你們在提出需求現在有沒有人給你阻力就是他們不想做啊麻煩這個怎麼了 會嗎因為傳播法修法我們其實講很久我們當然希望越快越好所以那個製造阻力的單位是誰我們來幫忙溝通一下我跟委員報告就是說\n這個修法為什麼會那麼困難因為它涉及一修法的時候它適用的範圍是包括所有的漁民那這個部分的話溝通的時間就會比較長時間成本就會比較高你剛剛都講時間很長你總要有一個比如說目標吧比如說我們半年之內我要整合完初步的意見然後刑事初步的法條然後怎麼樣什麼時候要送到行政院來核定再進到立法院來審查你們現在有這個時間表嗎\n我們不是主管機關沒辦法定時間表但是以我們來講我們就是很積極的在溝通我們積極的在溝通另外一個是預先預防的一個機制啦就是如果至少雖然你沒有辦法第一時間判斷海嵐發生斷裂的地點在哪裡對不對但海嵐的位置總是固定的嘛\n那現在看起來以海委會公布的一些新聞等等也好大概就是有些把毛放下去然後跑嘛然後毛會把海欄勾斷嘛對不對現在看起來這個行為看起來是長這個樣子那有沒有什麼比如說禁毛區啊或怎麼樣一些設置的一些事前預防的機制海委會有沒有一些準備呢\n海南區作為禁錨區是會需要經過公告去界定它的範圍經過這兩次事件以後呢範圍應該要如何重新公告跟法定有在考慮\n那這一部分應該會比修傳播法稍微簡單一點吧這個部分比較快 下個禮拜會開會下個禮拜會開會 什麼時候會有進到公告的程序呢會處理這個 這個都是航港局的權責我想不管是修傳播法也好 或者是你公告競跑局或者說你剛講的一些分級等等你總要有一些事前預防跟可以先處理的機制我們現在已經都在事前預防 是\n這個強度要出來嘛你才能避免就這樣子奇怪的事情在發生所以我們會抓到紅太就是因為他還沒斷的時候我們已經去到他的我們要確定的是接下來類似這樣的事情你可以有預前掌握嘛或者是預防其實除了紅太我們後續還抓了抓了兩次沒關係你後續的一些成果我們有一個案喔委員我們有一個案是同時抓到兩艘沒關係你後續有一些成果跟你現行的機制跟\n有不足之處跟你遇到的困難你在會後你整理個詳細的報告我都已經很明確的講就是說要預防這樣的事情其實大家都會覺得說這個為了海南的穩定性啊為了國家安全大家會願意去支持那主力在哪裡你總要講出來嘛大家才能夠趕快的溝通啊搞不好大家可以一起把這個事情加速嘛所以你把遇到的障礙跟困難跟預計的時間會後整理一份資料\n好最後一分鐘我一定要問現在大家都真正在去執行這些事情當然就是辛苦了海巡的弟兄嘛我們修正你們警察人員人事條例保障退休人員的權益但限職人員也很重要啊現在大家越來越多人去講因為實務上以台海兩岸的特殊狀況來講海巡常常是在第一線嘛\n有的時候拍那個貢獻的照片海軍拍得比海軍清楚對不對可是最近現在大家在講我們要加強國防戰力我們要改善志願役弟兄的待遇增加他的戰鬥佳績海軍都增加了那請問我們海巡署的弟兄他們算警職人員嘛他們警職人員這些待遇他們做的事情其實跟海軍沒什麼兩樣甚至大家都講現在海軍要變成所謂的第二海軍了那他們做的事情竟然沒有什麼兩樣而且甚至風險跟前線變化都更多那請問海軍的限職人員的待遇應不應該提升\n警職的部分因為海巡就是軍警文三種身份那軍職的話我們隨著軍職的調升都有做相當的配合軍職就跟著這個軍職的部分走絕大部分現在是警職的部分那警職的部分其實這幾年也陸陸續續有調升一些那晚近我們也在爭取一兩項那能不能容委員就是在我這裡先先不去\n沒關係你詳細資料跟你的方向我一樣會給你時間來做處理但是我只是要藉這樣的機會來提醒我們在爭取然後有十分得到人事部門的了解沒關係你都整理好一樣跟剛剛一樣把它整理好因為關鍵是你現在在執行的狀況甚至第一線有些警職人員甚至文職人員也要到第一線去處理嘛\n那你不要說大家是同工但不同酬的狀況然後去影響基層的士氣所以我們講我們支持海巡支持軍警等等都是不分退休還是限職都應該要合理的提升這是我們的立場所以如果我是希望海委會這邊也要很積極嘛如果說軍事人員都提升了你應該要比照嘛\n各位委員報告我一面非常積極的在爭取一面呢我勧勉勉勵我的同仁我們國家的責任扛在身上讓他們信賴長官心情不要浮動那當然嘛那我一面有安撫這個事情也都我們署長也都到第一現場這個都是你們本來就應該做的事情嗎對 都在安定我今天特別會提這個事就是因為大家士氣高昂\n我特別會提醒這些事情就是因為現在國防外交委員會等他們已經開始在討論軍人待遇的提升嘛那不要出現落差影響士氣嘛所以我覺得海軍這件事要去做準備好不好所以你把相關的一樣你的規劃跟你的接下來的節奏跟也許會遇到的障礙你一樣先整理嘛我們大家都一起來協助溝通然後幫海軍弟兄爭取更好的待遇這樣可以嗎好謝謝主委辛苦了好我們請區域政委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.369 --> 00:02.331\n主委早安今天先從海底電纜的事件開始探討\n\n00:15.639 --> 00:32.349\n這個今年國內有四次的海底電纜斷裂的事件這個1月3號基隆的外海國際海纜被順興39拖斷1月15跟1月22台馬3號跟台馬2號後來按照海委會的查詢結果應該是自然裂化就是斷裂2月25號颱風3號海纜遭中國權益輪這個鴻泰來拖斷\n\n00:36.631 --> 01:04.367\n那我想要請從這幾個事件裡面討論幾個事情就以1月3號基隆外海國際海欄斷裂事件來講這個當天啊這個7點45分其實就發生海欄斷裂的狀況那當然海巡到中午嘛12點40分左右其實才接到中華電信的通報然後來針對順興號來去做攔查這個中間的時間好像長了一些啦你們彼此之間這個政府之間的跨部的通報的時機跟跨部的協調\n\n01:05.829 --> 01:08.396\n這是不是應該有一些改善的空間你們還有會做哪些努力\n\n01:09.113 --> 01:37.059\n跟委員報告我們經過國安程序之後有稍微縮短時間但是之前時間比較長倒也不是疏忽或者是疏失最主要是我們判斷到什麼階段的問題跟委員報告我們海巡會遇到一種狀況就是第一次判斷出來的點位我們的船去了結果告訴我們說不對不對在另一個點位\n\n01:37.879 --> 02:03.077\n中間會差三四十海域所以你們判斷點位的資料來源其實也是來自於中華電信所以其實給他們時間做精確的判斷是有必要但是如果說我們判斷說是故意行為的可能性很高的時候呢我們海巡就願意我們也願意負擔這種成本\n\n02:03.837 --> 02:25.994\n像我們在這剛剛委員講的這幾次當中我們就有齁出去結果說不對又回來所以這個有兩個問題嘛第一個是說這個海嵐的所有者基本上就中華電信來做管理等等他有沒有辦法第一時間精準的通報資料這第一個這個需要你們政府跨部的加強溝通跟協調啦這個時間總是要縮短第二個是你有辦法第一時間去掌握相關船舶的位置跟狀況嗎\n\n02:27.655 --> 02:53.242\n宏泰就是我們事先就監控他監控了三天我現在就先講順興這件事還有他衍生出來一些問題啦以順興號來講其實他就是AIS他可能會關掉或是想辦法規避這件事情那就本期的了解這個現行傳播法應該是要規定就是說要理論上應該要開啟AIS系統但如果沒有開啟好像也沒有罰則對不對那這個部分是不是應該要做一些修正跟加強的把控呢\n\n02:54.820 --> 03:07.958\n傳播法這一次研議的內容也包含這一點還包括說他變換或者他開了又關開了又關沒錯嘛他可能有意規避奇怪的行為嘛那我們現在先分級我們有個黑名單\n\n03:09.559 --> 03:32.246\n分級的指標裡面就有你是不是開了又關開了又關我今天要問這個問題的關鍵其實在傳播法到底什麼時候要修法你們政府現在有沒有打算要針對這個地方做規制的調整我們持續在跨部會的開會協調之中那有沒有一些比如說時間進度上的安排因為我覺得這好像是看起來這個事情是國安危機嘛對不對4月22號要開第二次會議\n\n03:34.267 --> 04:01.421\n4月22號開第二次會議是有沒有預計什麼時候會把這個修法跟妳剛剛講的分級制度也許都是一個可以改善的狀況因為其實我們是執法單位業務主管不是我們法不是我們修是我們去你們去提出需求嘛所以你們在提出需求現在有沒有人給你阻力就是他們不想做啊麻煩這個怎麼了會嗎因為傳播法修法我們其實講很久我們當然希望越快越好所以那個製造阻力的單位是誰我們來幫忙溝通一下我跟委員報告就是說\n\n04:02.081 --> 04:29.920\n這個修法為什麼會那麼困難因為它涉及一修法的時候它適用的範圍是包括所有的漁民那這個部分的話溝通的時間就會比較長時間成本就會比較高你剛剛都講時間很長你總要有一個比如說目標吧比如說我們半年之內我要整合完初步的意見然後刑事初步的法條然後怎麼樣什麼時候要送到行政院來核定再進到立法院來審查你們現在有這個時間表嗎\n\n04:32.021 --> 04:51.746\n我們不是主管機關沒辦法定時間表但是以我們來講我們就是很積極的在溝通我們積極的在溝通另外一個是預先預防的一個機制啦就是如果至少雖然你沒有辦法第一時間判斷海嵐發生斷裂的地點在哪裡對不對但海嵐的位置總是固定的嘛\n\n04:52.335 --> 05:08.781\n那現在看起來以海委會公布的一些新聞等等也好大概就是有些把毛放下去然後跑嘛然後毛會把海欄勾斷嘛對不對現在看起來這個行為看起來是長這個樣子那有沒有什麼比如說禁毛區啊或怎麼樣一些設置的一些事前預防的機制海委會有沒有一些準備呢\n\n05:09.361 --> 05:23.613\n海南區作為禁錨區是會需要經過公告去界定它的範圍經過這兩次事件以後呢範圍應該要如何重新公告跟法定有在考慮\n\n05:25.015 --> 05:48.115\n那這一部分應該會比修傳播法稍微簡單一點吧這個部分比較快下個禮拜會開會下個禮拜會開會什麼時候會有進到公告的程序呢會處理這個這個都是航港局的權責我想不管是修傳播法也好或者是你公告競跑局或者說你剛講的一些分級等等你總要有一些事前預防跟可以先處理的機制我們現在已經都在事前預防是\n\n05:49.337 --> 06:12.888\n這個強度要出來嘛你才能避免就這樣子奇怪的事情在發生所以我們會抓到紅太就是因為他還沒斷的時候我們已經去到他的我們要確定的是接下來類似這樣的事情你可以有預前掌握嘛或者是預防其實除了紅太我們後續還抓了抓了兩次沒關係你後續的一些成果我們有一個案喔委員我們有一個案是同時抓到兩艘沒關係你後續有一些成果跟你現行的機制跟\n\n06:13.408 --> 06:33.511\n有不足之處跟你遇到的困難你在會後你整理個詳細的報告我都已經很明確的講就是說要預防這樣的事情其實大家都會覺得說這個為了海南的穩定性啊為了國家安全大家會願意去支持那主力在哪裡你總要講出來嘛大家才能夠趕快的溝通啊搞不好大家可以一起把這個事情加速嘛所以你把遇到的障礙跟困難跟預計的時間會後整理一份資料\n\n06:33.971 --> 06:50.775\n好最後一分鐘我一定要問現在大家都真正在去執行這些事情當然就是辛苦了海巡的弟兄嘛我們修正你們警察人員人事條例保障退休人員的權益但限職人員也很重要啊現在大家越來越多人去講因為實務上以台海兩岸的特殊狀況來講海巡常常是在第一線嘛\n\n06:51.415 --> 07:20.735\n有的時候拍那個貢獻的照片海軍拍得比海軍清楚對不對可是最近現在大家在講我們要加強國防戰力我們要改善志願役弟兄的待遇增加他的戰鬥佳績海軍都增加了那請問我們海巡署的弟兄他們算警職人員嘛他們警職人員這些待遇他們做的事情其實跟海軍沒什麼兩樣甚至大家都講現在海軍要變成所謂的第二海軍了那他們做的事情竟然沒有什麼兩樣而且甚至風險跟前線變化都更多那請問海軍的限職人員的待遇應不應該提升\n\n07:21.835 --> 07:49.291\n警職的部分因為海巡就是軍警文三種身份那軍職的話我們隨著軍職的調升都有做相當的配合軍職就跟著這個軍職的部分走絕大部分現在是警職的部分那警職的部分其實這幾年也陸陸續續有調升一些那晚近我們也在爭取一兩項那能不能容委員就是在我這裡先先不去\n\n07:50.311 --> 08:08.682\n沒關係你詳細資料跟你的方向我一樣會給你時間來做處理但是我只是要藉這樣的機會來提醒我們在爭取然後有十分得到人事部門的了解沒關係你都整理好一樣跟剛剛一樣把它整理好因為關鍵是你現在在執行的狀況甚至第一線有些警職人員甚至文職人員也要到第一線去處理嘛\n\n08:09.542 --> 08:26.237\n那你不要說大家是同工但不同酬的狀況然後去影響基層的士氣所以我們講我們支持海巡支持軍警等等都是不分退休還是限職都應該要合理的提升這是我們的立場所以如果我是希望海委會這邊也要很積極嘛如果說軍事人員都提升了你應該要比照嘛\n\n08:26.397 --> 08:52.781\n各位委員報告我一面非常積極的在爭取一面呢我勧勉勉勵我的同仁我們國家的責任扛在身上讓他們信賴長官心情不要浮動那當然嘛那我一面有安撫這個事情也都我們署長也都到第一現場這個都是你們本來就應該做的事情嗎對都在安定我今天特別會提這個事就是因為大家士氣高昂\n\n08:52.981 --> 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