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00:01:56,054\n有我們都已經開始開過很多會可是剛剛講的嘛針對要用哪一種方式哪一種方法好像都還在討論中嘛這個是事實就已經發生了三期的這個電纜的這個事故啦所以我是覺得應該是要加快加快這樣子的一個評估的一個階段要怎麼來做喔因為這個我想這個攸關我們整個的這個數位的這個生命線的一個相關的訊息啊\n\n7\n00:02:17,289 --> 00:02:33,661\n相關的守護的途徑非常多元包括業主中華電信本身也都在精進什麼樣的權責什麼樣的技術配屬在什麼樣的部門也都有分工\n\n8\n00:02:34,361 --> 00:02:47,327\n那以海巡來講的話我們目前水下或者是水面的無人載具的部分我們目前的進度就是我們開始在規劃研議我們也開過了研討會但是空中我們會比較成熟那請問要研議多久的時間才會比較具體的這個\n\n9\n00:02:55,070 --> 00:03:14,391\n就是針對我們3000公尺以下的這個海域的偵測跟干擾人力這樣子的一個派巡設備如果很具體的要回答這個問題的話有一個指標就是說我們今年來不來得及提出從明年開始的中長期計畫最快最快\n\n10\n00:03:15,452 --> 00:03:24,699\n我們明年開始的中長期計劃今年來不來得及提出來那這個部分我們還不是那麼有把握我們用情監偵系統我們用中華電信的智慧監控系統跟港港局的智慧航安系統跟海巡署的情監偵系統我們三道防線\n\n11\n00:03:39,409 --> 00:03:44,873\n所以我們既抓到了順興99我們也抓到了宏泰56順興沒有進來是因為那個時候它還不是關鍵基礎設施所以它的進港程序就比較會受到現有制度的影響我們目前應該要探討的是怎麼不是只有我們偵測是未來要怎麼去預防這樣的一個狀況發生\n\n12\n00:04:05,128 --> 00:04:20,163\n一旦台北電纜被切斷之後因為預防所以才抓得到你要再恢復要花更久的時間跟更久的精力跟金錢所以各位委員報告我們關心是對的你一定要事先預防所以事先預防的部分呢也是因為我們事先預防\n\n13\n00:04:21,144 --> 00:04:40,331\n所以我希望能够加快这个时辰还没有断我们就在现场那是不是可以加快这个时辰好不好刚刚讲这个言语的时辰然后另外就是刚刚提到就是说我们如果发现这个可疑传播靠近敏感海揽区域的时候我们的线上巡逻舰艇能够几个小时到达现场\n\n14\n00:04:41,035 --> 00:05:04,869\n我們要看第一個我們要看第一個我們的距離是多遠然後第二個涉及當時的海象跟委員報告就是鴻泰我們監控了他三天那海象一可以我們馬上就去了那如果海象惡劣的狀況之下呢會不會就束手無策海象也不會束手無策那會用什麼方式因為如果是\n\n15\n00:05:05,649 --> 00:05:27,030\n如果是那個我們用雷達還是監控著他如果真的是發生斷纜的時候我們還是要去追現在我們這個海巡署這邊是不是有全天候的輪班跟快速應變的機制呢有我們都有都有整個機制我們可以請請海巡的同仁來來做詳細的說如果有需要的話\n\n16\n00:05:27,611 --> 00:05:54,334\n好那是不是可以因為時間關係是不是這個是不是會後再把詳細的資料送到辦公室好嗎跟委員先補充說明一下就是我們現在在六大增進區每一天都固定有一艘大艦在線上那另外在12海浬內我們固定都有每一個海巡隊都有兩艘巡防機在線上所以我們第一時間就可以掌握海面所有的目標那剛剛委員有特別提示到就是說我們多少時間會到那取決於我們距離通報點多遠\n\n17\n00:05:55,535 --> 00:06:15,287\n那目前我們把海嵐那個區域一接收到通報之後你們就會馬上過去那我們現在是把那個海嵐的區域列為我們的巡查的重點之一所以虹台為什麼那麼快到是因為我們就在現場那剛剛您提到的海嵐區域是不是已經被列為受保護的海域那台灣是不是有這個海嵐防衛地圖呢\n\n18\n00:06:17,308 --> 00:06:32,835\n就是我們現在海嵐區在電子地圖電子海圖上面都有公告都有公布那中華電信它也有一個這個海嵐防衛地圖有有有那中華電信它對於每個海嵐都有一個告警設置就是Source的一個系統所以只要船舶\n\n19\n00:06:34,608 --> 00:07:00,640\n超過20公尺然後航速低於5節然後接近海南1公里它這個系統就會自動告急那我們同時也會收到這個告急我想海底電纜被破壞會使台灣的基礎建設可能會跟經濟的運作會造成長期的壓力那其實也非常需要海委會跟海巡署大家強藉乎那當然如果有需要相對應的經費不管是人啊就是需要加人要造船需要相關的加班費\n\n20\n00:07:02,401 --> 00:07:11,044\n我想海委會也可以積極地來去向我們的財政跟儲計單位爭取只要預算送來立法院我們一定會全力支持這樣可以嗎主委\n\n21\n00:07:13,343 --> 00:07:37,720\n我們就是遇到今年有兩艘船不能不能交船的困難因為今年的預算刪減的結果就造成了這個困境如果委員能夠支持我們就是希望未來不要再有發生這樣的狀況謝謝委員剛剛我已經提過就是說只要有需要相關的經費其實你們提出來跟財主還有跟這個主計單位提出那再送到立法院來我們一定會全力支持\n\n22\n00:07:38,300 --> 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海委會也可以積極地來去向我們的財政跟儲計單位爭取只要預算送來立法院 我們一定會全力支持這樣可以嗎 主委\n433343\t457720\t我們就是遇到今年有兩艘船不能不能交船的困難因為今年的預算刪減的結果就造成了這個困境如果委員能夠支持我們就是希望未來不要再有發生這樣的狀況謝謝委員剛剛我已經提過就是說只要有需要相關的經費其實你們提出來跟財主還有跟這個主計單位提出那再送到立法院來我們一定會全力支持\n458300\t478889\t那當然因為海巡弟兄說實在相對非常的辛苦啦所以我也希望說而且他們面臨其實很多都是高危險這個高壓力的所以說我想這個部分也希望說我們海委會這邊能夠針對海巡署的部分我們多給他們一些相關的經費那需要我們立法院來支持的我們一定會全力協助謝謝主委謝謝\n","txt":"主席我們請管碧玲管主委好請主委主委你好主委好主委我想今天針對這個我們海委會的這個報告我想我們其實大家都很關注就是說我們台灣是現在身處在印太的這個前線那也是地緣政治的一個焦點那也是數位戰爭的第一線所以海底電纜這個就像是數位生命線的\n我想已經不單純只是商業問題而且是有關國家的這個戰略問題那當然今年1月短短三週內台灣就發生了三期的海底電纜的事故除了順興39號之外然後另外在台澎3號電纜更是被鴻泰貨輪斷纜\n另外在上個月中國大陸也公開展示一種新型的海底電纜切割機號稱它可以深入4000公尺海底切斷最堅硬的裝甲電纜請問主委台灣目前的海巡設備是否具備對3000公尺以下的海域的偵測與干擾能力對於水下無人設備進行電纜的迫害作用海委會是不是已經有跨部會的應對計畫\n跟委員報告謝謝委員關心有關於水下的偵測的部分呢目前我們還屬於在規劃的階段那大概什麼時候可以規劃可能沒有辦法非常的快比如說有沒有一個時程的規劃涉及就是說我們有沒有要\n國產化如果有的話那國內現在的發展的這個進度的掌握呢基本上我們都在了解之中主委現在的回答是等於還沒開始嗎\n有 我們都已經開始 開過很多會可是剛剛講的嘛 針對要用哪一種方式哪一種方法好像都還在討論中嘛這個是事實就已經發生了三期的這個電纜的這個事故啦所以我是覺得應該是要加快加快這樣子的一個評估的一個階段要怎麼來做喔因為這個我想這個攸關我們整個的這個數位的這個生命線的一個相關的訊息啊\n相關的守護的途徑非常多元 包括業主中華電信本身也都在精進 什麼樣的權責什麼樣的技術配屬在什麼樣的部門也都有分工\n那以海巡來講的話我們目前水下或者是水面的無人載具的部分我們目前的進度就是我們開始在規劃研議我們也開過了研討會但是空中我們會比較成熟那請問要研議多久的時間才會比較具體的這個\n就是針對我們3000公尺以下的這個海域的偵測跟干擾人力這樣子的一個派巡設備如果很具體的要回答這個問題的話有一個指標就是說我們今年來不來得及提出從明年開始的中長期計畫最快最快\n我們明年開始的中長期計劃今年來不來得及提出來那這個部分我們還不是那麼有把握我們用情監偵系統我們用中華電信的智慧監控系統跟港港局的智慧航安系統跟海巡署的情監偵系統我們三道防線\n所以我們既抓到了順興99我們也抓到了宏泰56順興沒有進來是因為那個時候它還不是關鍵基礎設施所以它的進港程序就比較會受到現有制度的影響我們目前應該要探討的是怎麼不是只有我們偵測是未來要怎麼去預防這樣的一個狀況發生\n一旦台北電纜被切斷之後因為預防所以才抓得到你要再恢復要花更久的時間跟更久的精力跟金錢所以各位委員報告我們關心是對的你一定要事先預防所以事先預防的部分呢也是因為我們事先預防\n所以我希望能够加快这个时辰还没有断我们就在现场那是不是可以加快这个时辰好不好刚刚讲这个言语的时辰然后另外就是刚刚提到就是说我们如果发现这个可疑传播靠近敏感海揽区域的时候我们的线上巡逻舰艇能够几个小时到达现场\n我們要看第一個我們要看第一個我們的距離是多遠然後第二個涉及當時的海象跟委員報告就是鴻泰我們監控了他三天那海象一可以我們馬上就去了那如果海象惡劣的狀況之下呢會不會就束手無策海象也不會束手無策那會用什麼方式因為如果是\n如果是那個我們用雷達還是監控著他如果真的是發生斷纜的時候我們還是要去追現在我們這個海巡署這邊是不是有全天候的輪班跟快速應變的機制呢有我們都有都有整個機制我們可以請請海巡的同仁來來做詳細的說如果有需要的話\n好那是不是可以因為時間關係是不是這個是不是會後再把詳細的資料送到辦公室好嗎跟委員先補充說明一下就是我們現在在六大增進區每一天都固定有一艘大艦在線上那另外在12海浬內我們固定都有每一個海巡隊都有兩艘巡防機在線上所以我們第一時間就可以掌握海面所有的目標那剛剛委員有特別提示到就是說我們多少時間會到那取決於我們距離通報點多遠\n那目前我們把海嵐那個區域一接收到通報之後你們就會馬上過去那我們現在是把那個海嵐的區域列為我們的巡查的重點之一所以虹台為什麼那麼快到是因為我們就在現場那剛剛您提到的海嵐區域是不是已經被列為受保護的海域那台灣是不是有這個海嵐防衛地圖呢\n就是我們現在海嵐區在電子地圖電子海圖上面都有公告都有公布那中華電信它也有一個這個海嵐防衛地圖有有有那中華電信它對於每個海嵐都有一個告警設置就是Source的一個系統所以只要船舶\n超過20公尺然後航速低於5節然後接近海南1公里它這個系統就會自動告急那我們同時也會收到這個告急我想海底電纜被破壞會使台灣的基礎建設可能會跟經濟的運作會造成長期的壓力那其實也非常需要海委會跟海巡署大家強藉乎那當然如果有需要相對應的經費不管是人啊就是需要加人要造船需要相關的加班費\n我想 海委會也可以積極地來去向我們的財政跟儲計單位爭取只要預算送來立法院 我們一定會全力支持這樣可以嗎 主委\n我們就是遇到今年有兩艘船不能不能交船的困難因為今年的預算刪減的結果就造成了這個困境如果委員能夠支持我們就是希望未來不要再有發生這樣的狀況謝謝委員剛剛我已經提過就是說只要有需要相關的經費其實你們提出來跟財主還有跟這個主計單位提出那再送到立法院來我們一定會全力支持\n那當然因為海巡弟兄說實在相對非常的辛苦啦所以我也希望說而且他們面臨其實很多都是高危險這個高壓力的所以說我想這個部分也希望說我們海委會這邊能夠針對海巡署的部分我們多給他們一些相關的經費那需要我們立法院來支持的我們一定會全力協助謝謝主委謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 --> 00:02.890\n主席我們請管碧玲管主委好請主委主委你好主委好主委我想今天針對這個我們海委會的這個報告我想我們其實大家都很關注就是說我們台灣是現在身處在印太的這個前線那也是地緣政治的一個焦點那也是數位戰爭的第一線所以海底電纜這個就像是數位生命線的\n\n00:30.643 --> 00:48.801\n我想已經不單純只是商業問題而且是有關國家的這個戰略問題那當然今年1月短短三週內台灣就發生了三期的海底電纜的事故除了順興39號之外然後另外在台澎3號電纜更是被鴻泰貨輪斷纜\n\n00:50.743 --> 01:16.252\n另外在上個月中國大陸也公開展示一種新型的海底電纜切割機號稱它可以深入4000公尺海底切斷最堅硬的裝甲電纜請問主委台灣目前的海巡設備是否具備對3000公尺以下的海域的偵測與干擾能力對於水下無人設備進行電纜的迫害作用海委會是不是已經有跨部會的應對計畫\n\n01:17.612 --> 01:34.091\n跟委員報告謝謝委員關心有關於水下的偵測的部分呢目前我們還屬於在規劃的階段那大概什麼時候可以規劃可能沒有辦法非常的快比如說有沒有一個時程的規劃涉及就是說我們有沒有要\n\n01:35.713 --> 01:47.394\n國產化如果有的話那國內現在的發展的這個進度的掌握呢基本上我們都在了解之中主委現在的回答是等於還沒開始嗎\n\n01:48.949 --> 01:56.054\n有我們都已經開始開過很多會可是剛剛講的嘛針對要用哪一種方式哪一種方法好像都還在討論中嘛這個是事實就已經發生了三期的這個電纜的這個事故啦所以我是覺得應該是要加快加快這樣子的一個評估的一個階段要怎麼來做喔因為這個我想這個攸關我們整個的這個數位的這個生命線的一個相關的訊息啊\n\n02:17.289 --> 02:33.661\n相關的守護的途徑非常多元包括業主中華電信本身也都在精進什麼樣的權責什麼樣的技術配屬在什麼樣的部門也都有分工\n\n02:34.361 --> 02:47.327\n那以海巡來講的話我們目前水下或者是水面的無人載具的部分我們目前的進度就是我們開始在規劃研議我們也開過了研討會但是空中我們會比較成熟那請問要研議多久的時間才會比較具體的這個\n\n02:55.070 --> 03:14.391\n就是針對我們3000公尺以下的這個海域的偵測跟干擾人力這樣子的一個派巡設備如果很具體的要回答這個問題的話有一個指標就是說我們今年來不來得及提出從明年開始的中長期計畫最快最快\n\n03:15.452 --> 03:24.699\n我們明年開始的中長期計劃今年來不來得及提出來那這個部分我們還不是那麼有把握我們用情監偵系統我們用中華電信的智慧監控系統跟港港局的智慧航安系統跟海巡署的情監偵系統我們三道防線\n\n03:39.409 --> 03:44.873\n所以我們既抓到了順興99我們也抓到了宏泰56順興沒有進來是因為那個時候它還不是關鍵基礎設施所以它的進港程序就比較會受到現有制度的影響我們目前應該要探討的是怎麼不是只有我們偵測是未來要怎麼去預防這樣的一個狀況發生\n\n04:05.128 --> 04:20.163\n一旦台北電纜被切斷之後因為預防所以才抓得到你要再恢復要花更久的時間跟更久的精力跟金錢所以各位委員報告我們關心是對的你一定要事先預防所以事先預防的部分呢也是因為我們事先預防\n\n04:21.144 --> 04:40.331\n所以我希望能够加快这个时辰还没有断我们就在现场那是不是可以加快这个时辰好不好刚刚讲这个言语的时辰然后另外就是刚刚提到就是说我们如果发现这个可疑传播靠近敏感海揽区域的时候我们的线上巡逻舰艇能够几个小时到达现场\n\n04:41.035 --> 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