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00:02:16,467\n然後破壞台灣海磊你們怎麼做更多的海防兄弟往前線衝其實也不能夠確保不會一再發生所以我們認真來看海廢這件事情我們希望他可以還給離島居民一個乾淨的海洋因為那是他們的生活空間而且那些海廢確實已經造成生活的困擾\n\n8\n00:02:17,248 --> 00:02:40,728\n我們看一下你們的資料113年度海漂底廢棄物還有微型塑膠分布調查的分析計畫裡面你們有針對台灣的海洋海廢還有海底的廢棄物進行定點調查還有採樣分析可是你們目前的計畫只有針對北部還有外海的海域沒有針對離島做完整的中長期監測\n\n9\n00:02:41,989 --> 00:03:09,327\n那離島的長期資料其實一直都是不夠的我不知道我們有沒有機會建立一個關於屬於專屬於離島的海費監測指標還有回報系統可不可以請您簡單回應一下是跟委員這邊報告一下就是目前這邊委員收到之前的這個資料包含定點或者是採用分析比較是剛提到說本島這邊對沒錯海漂或者是海底的這個部分那特別針對金門跟馬祖或者是離島的這個部分我們其實今年也開始\n\n10\n00:03:10,047 --> 00:03:26,021\n今年是指2025年開始起動對就是我們的中長城的計畫那也配合這些離島的離島建設方案因為這些離島基本上他們都有離島建設方案那他們離島建設方案裡面其實也都有跟海洋污染的部分有關所以他們其實也都有海汙水質跟海廢這三個部分\n\n11\n00:03:27,162 --> 00:03:43,329\n可是你老先生方案很多錢其實撥到地方上去使用的不是嗎是但是因為他會有一部分的錢是需要中央的同時的配合款所以基本上我們也會同步的看過他們的計劃所以我們也希望把這個部分去導到說大家會有共同的這個目標跟方向所以\n\n12\n00:03:44,757 --> 00:04:13,349\n那如果它有中央跟地方的配合我认为我们海保署就应该要加强管控的力道或者是协助他们订定真的更完整的计划那如同您刚刚说书长您刚刚说这个相关计划可不可以会后给我们先给我们办公室我觉得要确认我们如何协助地方政府完成居民他们对于这个海费的想象跟许愿因为这真的会影响到他们的生活那可是我认为如果我们还是没有相关指标其实还是有危险所以我们希望会后你给我们的资料里面我们共同来研究一下好\n\n13\n00:04:13,669 --> 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就是我們的中長城的計畫那也配合這些離島的離島建設方案因為這些離島基本上他們都有離島建設方案那他們離島建設方案裡面其實也都有跟海洋污染的部分有關所以他們其實也都有海汙水質跟海廢這三個部分\n207162\t223329\t可是你老先生方案很多錢其實撥到地方上去使用的不是嗎是但是因為他會有一部分的錢是需要中央的同時的配合款所以基本上我們也會同步的看過他們的計劃所以我們也希望把這個部分去導到說大家會有共同的這個目標跟方向所以\n224757\t253349\t那如果它有中央跟地方的配合我认为我们海保署就应该要加强管控的力道或者是协助他们订定真的更完整的计划那如同您刚刚说书长您刚刚说这个相关计划可不可以会后给我们先给我们办公室我觉得要确认我们如何协助地方政府完成居民他们对于这个海费的想象跟许愿因为这真的会影响到他们的生活那可是我认为如果我们还是没有相关指标其实还是有危险所以我们希望会后你给我们的资料里面我们共同来研究一下好\n253669\t271175\t好 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請海保署\n好是署長是署長你好我想要直接跟您討論關於離島是金門還有馬祖也就是連江縣他們過往在遇到海廢的問題來下一張基本上這些海廢其實是我們在現場實地拍攝照的照片那根據相關統計資料每一年相關要清出來在金門還有連江也就是馬祖清出來的海廢\n其實超過數百噸我想這個數字你們一定非常非常的清楚可是我覺得最大的困境就是目前這些海廢其實有大量是來自於中國沿岸的生活廢棄物還有來自海上的航道儀器物當然也有來自我們台灣本島的漂流物我甚至在馬祖的座談會當中我聽到當地非常非常多的\n民宿业者或者是当地在做生意的或是当地的住民告诉我们他们每年都要发动非常多志工一起参与这个清除海费而这个清除海费的工作它其实是大量的劳务而且呢如果不去做这些事情我们以为它会随海洋漂走其实是不会的来下一张\n那也因為有這個問題呢我們其實知道金門他們過去說要把這個海漂垃圾還給中國他們說要用浮桶的方法把它帶回去馬祖也曾經多次公開呼籲說垃圾應該要回歸來源因為呢這麼大量的離島海廢其實\n大量不成比例的都是在承擔所謂他國海廢的處境我們認為這件事情我們到底可以怎麼想像因為這不是你們單方面可以解決的就像剛剛徐新英委員說海嵐這件事情其實也不是海委會單方面可以解決的如果有中國敵意刻意屢次入侵\n然後破壞台灣海磊你們怎麼做更多的海防兄弟往前線衝其實也不能夠確保不會一再發生所以我們認真來看海廢這件事情我們希望他可以還給離島居民一個乾淨的海洋因為那是他們的生活空間而且那些海廢確實已經造成生活的困擾\n我們看一下你們的資料113年度海漂底廢棄物還有微型塑膠分布調查的分析計畫裡面你們有針對台灣的海洋海廢還有海底的廢棄物進行定點調查還有採樣分析可是你們目前的計畫只有針對北部還有外海的海域沒有針對離島做完整的中長期監測\n那離島的長期資料其實一直都是不夠的我不知道我們有沒有機會建立一個關於屬於專屬於離島的海費監測指標還有回報系統可不可以請您簡單回應一下是跟委員這邊報告一下就是目前這邊委員收到之前的這個資料包含定點或者是採用分析比較是剛提到說本島這邊對沒錯海漂或者是海底的這個部分那特別針對金門跟馬祖或者是離島的這個部分我們其實今年也開始\n今年是指2025年開始起動對 就是我們的中長城的計畫那也配合這些離島的離島建設方案因為這些離島基本上他們都有離島建設方案那他們離島建設方案裡面其實也都有跟海洋污染的部分有關所以他們其實也都有海汙水質跟海廢這三個部分\n可是你老先生方案很多錢其實撥到地方上去使用的不是嗎是但是因為他會有一部分的錢是需要中央的同時的配合款所以基本上我們也會同步的看過他們的計劃所以我們也希望把這個部分去導到說大家會有共同的這個目標跟方向所以\n那如果它有中央跟地方的配合我认为我们海保署就应该要加强管控的力道或者是协助他们订定真的更完整的计划那如同您刚刚说书长您刚刚说这个相关计划可不可以会后给我们先给我们办公室我觉得要确认我们如何协助地方政府完成居民他们对于这个海费的想象跟许愿因为这真的会影响到他们的生活那可是我认为如果我们还是没有相关指标其实还是有危险所以我们希望会后你给我们的资料里面我们共同来研究一下好\n好 那接下來我們想要問一下其實你們在113到116有訂定一個污染防治劑接近海洋計畫我相信你非常熟悉但是我要再次強調這個計畫裡面我們目前所看到的資料你們希望推動地方參與鼓勵回收再利用專案性補助這都是一個沒有針對離島\n跟委員這邊說明這個其實有針對離島就是像我們提到說我們的前海戰將或者是環保艦隊這個其實都有離島所以金門跟馬祖其實也都有環保艦隊跟前海戰將的培訓那基本上那個環保艦隊就是從他們開始出去就必須把自己的垃圾帶回來然後當要去清的時候他們也會跟著一起去清那前海戰將基本上我們是培訓一些潛水相關的人在碰到有些海廢的時候其實這些有技術或者經過訓練的人他們就會下去清\n這個也是在113到116這個計畫當中但是在根據離島的部分我剛剛講針對離島的部分我認為應該跟北部跟所謂的台灣的海域其實是不一樣的那這個部分你們有研究在加強嗎是這個部分我們會特別針對離島有在基本上就是像大象可能會相同就是比如說針對剛說的前海沾漿或是這些的大象會相同可是特別針對離島因為像剛委員這邊有提到他們的垃圾如果清出來之後他要運回來基本上是非常\n非常困難的所以我們會有特別的那個回收或是處理的方式比如說像大型的那個那個保麗龍他就會必須要冷壓或者是這個一樣是中央要跟地方合作嗎是對我們這邊也有相關的經費補助所以可是相關經費補助如果又只是落於中央給錢然後沒有積極的監督地方政府或是協助地方政府的角色我們只是把錢花完但是我們看不到實質的效果所以在這個部分是不是也可以會後提供資料給我們\n或者是我们就直接来约开会确认我们目前所服务的金马地区真的有确实落到不管是在海洋污染捷径防治计划或者是海漂的部分好不好好那我想这两个海洋的议题就麻烦你们带回去那我们办公室之后会再积极跟你们约开会好谢谢好谢谢署长谢谢主席谢谢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.630 --> 00:06.182\n謝謝主席我就直接請海保署好了可不可以更直接呢就不勞煩主委了謝謝來請海保署\n\n00:11.021 --> 00:34.997\n好是署長是署長你好我想要直接跟您討論關於離島是金門還有馬祖也就是連江縣他們過往在遇到海廢的問題來下一張基本上這些海廢其實是我們在現場實地拍攝照的照片那根據相關統計資料每一年相關要清出來在金門還有連江也就是馬祖清出來的海廢\n\n00:35.777 --> 01:00.237\n其實超過數百噸我想這個數字你們一定非常非常的清楚可是我覺得最大的困境就是目前這些海廢其實有大量是來自於中國沿岸的生活廢棄物還有來自海上的航道儀器物當然也有來自我們台灣本島的漂流物我甚至在馬祖的座談會當中我聽到當地非常非常多的\n\n01:01.218 --> 01:21.256\n民宿业者或者是当地在做生意的或是当地的住民告诉我们他们每年都要发动非常多志工一起参与这个清除海费而这个清除海费的工作它其实是大量的劳务而且呢如果不去做这些事情我们以为它会随海洋漂走其实是不会的来下一张\n\n01:22.037 --> 01:34.172\n那也因為有這個問題呢我們其實知道金門他們過去說要把這個海漂垃圾還給中國他們說要用浮桶的方法把它帶回去馬祖也曾經多次公開呼籲說垃圾應該要回歸來源因為呢這麼大量的離島海廢其實\n\n01:38.638 --> 01:56.326\n大量不成比例的都是在承擔所謂他國海廢的處境我們認為這件事情我們到底可以怎麼想像因為這不是你們單方面可以解決的就像剛剛徐新英委員說海嵐這件事情其實也不是海委會單方面可以解決的如果有中國敵意刻意屢次入侵\n\n01:56.826 --> 02:16.467\n然後破壞台灣海磊你們怎麼做更多的海防兄弟往前線衝其實也不能夠確保不會一再發生所以我們認真來看海廢這件事情我們希望他可以還給離島居民一個乾淨的海洋因為那是他們的生活空間而且那些海廢確實已經造成生活的困擾\n\n02:17.248 --> 02:40.728\n我們看一下你們的資料113年度海漂底廢棄物還有微型塑膠分布調查的分析計畫裡面你們有針對台灣的海洋海廢還有海底的廢棄物進行定點調查還有採樣分析可是你們目前的計畫只有針對北部還有外海的海域沒有針對離島做完整的中長期監測\n\n02:41.989 --> 03:09.327\n那離島的長期資料其實一直都是不夠的我不知道我們有沒有機會建立一個關於屬於專屬於離島的海費監測指標還有回報系統可不可以請您簡單回應一下是跟委員這邊報告一下就是目前這邊委員收到之前的這個資料包含定點或者是採用分析比較是剛提到說本島這邊對沒錯海漂或者是海底的這個部分那特別針對金門跟馬祖或者是離島的這個部分我們其實今年也開始\n\n03:10.047 --> 03:26.021\n今年是指2025年開始起動對就是我們的中長城的計畫那也配合這些離島的離島建設方案因為這些離島基本上他們都有離島建設方案那他們離島建設方案裡面其實也都有跟海洋污染的部分有關所以他們其實也都有海汙水質跟海廢這三個部分\n\n03:27.162 --> 03:43.329\n可是你老先生方案很多錢其實撥到地方上去使用的不是嗎是但是因為他會有一部分的錢是需要中央的同時的配合款所以基本上我們也會同步的看過他們的計劃所以我們也希望把這個部分去導到說大家會有共同的這個目標跟方向所以\n\n03:44.757 --> 04:13.349\n那如果它有中央跟地方的配合我认为我们海保署就应该要加强管控的力道或者是协助他们订定真的更完整的计划那如同您刚刚说书长您刚刚说这个相关计划可不可以会后给我们先给我们办公室我觉得要确认我们如何协助地方政府完成居民他们对于这个海费的想象跟许愿因为这真的会影响到他们的生活那可是我认为如果我们还是没有相关指标其实还是有危险所以我们希望会后你给我们的资料里面我们共同来研究一下好\n\n04:13.669 --> 04:31.175\n好那接下來我們想要問一下其實你們在113到116有訂定一個污染防治劑接近海洋計畫我相信你非常熟悉但是我要再次強調這個計畫裡面我們目前所看到的資料你們希望推動地方參與鼓勵回收再利用專案性補助這都是一個沒有針對離島\n\n04:32.515 --> 05:00.316\n跟委員這邊說明這個其實有針對離島就是像我們提到說我們的前海戰將或者是環保艦隊這個其實都有離島所以金門跟馬祖其實也都有環保艦隊跟前海戰將的培訓那基本上那個環保艦隊就是從他們開始出去就必須把自己的垃圾帶回來然後當要去清的時候他們也會跟著一起去清那前海戰將基本上我們是培訓一些潛水相關的人在碰到有些海廢的時候其實這些有技術或者經過訓練的人他們就會下去清\n\n05:02.197 --> 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