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00:00:59,958\n我們對於這些全輿輪分級以後管理那海上長期滯留的目標我們都有相當程度的掌握那特定的這一艘船我們有掌握那掌握的細節如果委員有需要的話我們請署長來跟委員做說明好不好謝謝\n\n4\n00:01:02,884 --> 00:01:18,632\n這邊特別跟委員報告那因為這輛超船就是就是我們監控的東京備忘乳裡面96艘的其中但是他是被我們評估為沒有威脅性的那第二部分就是他滯留在那個地方我們除了\n\n5\n00:01:19,572 --> 00:01:33,942\n靠近我們的水域以後我們會請航港局以船機構管理方式來廣播它離開那不行的話我們的海巡的艦船體就會上去看那這兩艘其中有一艘我們登檢過兩次那基本上上面沒有任何的問題\n\n6\n00:01:34,933 --> 00:02:01,271\n都有去登檢這個部分還是要請諸位多注意畢竟這個國安的問題也是國人很關注那我想還有也應該拿出一個強硬的態度來做處理就是我剛剛跟委員報告就說因為分級所以我們就有掌握雖然說他分級沒有危險性我們還是去登檢兩次了還是要謹慎處理\n\n7\n00:02:05,793 --> 00:02:34,046\n主委那這個部分因為我的選區有我們的小琉球那目前小琉球也是我們台灣很熱門的一個觀光的一個景點那每年大概有一百多萬的遊客那我想當然過去我們這個周邊的海域包含我們的海委會也好還有我們的大鵬灣管理處還有屏東縣政府我想大家針對這個觀光資源的保護也都應該要盡一份的責任但是我想去年我們監察院\n\n8\n00:02:34,588 --> 00:02:44,557\n有針對這個小琉球的自然生態保育的部分有針對我們還會有提出一個糾正那主委我想這個小琉球的這個海域的一個\n\n9\n00:02:45,845 --> 00:03:05,056\n生物的多樣性還有甚至我們一個觀光資源的保護我想主委這邊是不是應該加強來多做一些作為各位委員報告我在主持我們海委會的委員會議的時候可以說對風景管理處其實是給很大的壓力因為我也認為\n\n10\n00:03:06,056 --> 00:03:28,395\n小琉球的生態承載量這件事情目前掌控的程度還有可以精進的地方那雖然業務主管部門不在海委會但是我都透過委員會議要求一定要做生態承載量的調查重新去估算每日的可以容納的這個容壽的這個觀光的人口\n\n11\n00:03:32,438 --> 00:03:55,564\n那目前這個數字我們認為說對於生態承載量而言負擔還是很重這是一點另外就是說對於潮間帶的管理的部分我們過去也經過協調整合那屏東縣政府也非常的關心那晚近甚至於屏東縣政府對於這個潮間帶的管理都還有進一步想要化這個靜置區的計畫我們也都有參與在開會\n\n12\n00:04:02,286 --> 00:04:27,506\n當然它受損就是珊瑚的覆蓋率受到影響這個部分確實是有但是總體來講我們在這個部分是真的是不斷的在朝向改善的方向它是朝改善的方向在走但是我們是希望能夠保護的更多\n\n13\n00:04:28,428 --> 00:04:53,233\n對但是如果這個生態這個美景不見了我想遊客也不會去這也是我們比較跨部會來整合的一個部分那我依主委的高度應該是這個來帶領這個我們相關的單位大家一起來努力啦我們非常重視這一塊謝謝委員關心那另外今年農曆年節過後我想我這邊也接到很多起\n\n14\n00:04:53,934 --> 00:05:10,335\n這個我們這個遠洋的這個漁民甚至外籍漁工在作業的時候因為生病那必須請我們這個海巡的通人來做救援那這邊也特別感謝這個我們海巡的通人都在第一時間能夠跟我們的漁業署能夠搭配\n\n15\n00:05:10,799 --> 00:05:25,761\n那最快的時間能夠這個救援不過我覺得這個在處理上面因為有畢竟這個我們跟國收中心跟漁業署這個通報之間的一個有時候一個資訊的落差所以這部分是不是應該搭一個平台來一起來努力\n\n16\n00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:49,674\n我們目前有平台我再來瞭解委員所說的哪一個個案在資訊上造成落差這個我也很驚訝因為基本上這個平台要很順暢然後要很精確我會來瞭解因為有時候這些路途比較那個海上的時間比較長啊那我們必須要很精準的掌握到我們國收甚至海巡署的船艦什麼時候可以接到這個\n\n17\n00:05:50,997 --> 00:05:56,152\n這個生病的一個漁民趕快把他後送到我們的本島來就醫啦這個時間上有一些落差\n\n18\n00:05:57,963 --> 00:06:18,357\n像我們前幾天就是上個禮拜才來回一千多海里去介護一位中風的船長回來那跟委員報告就是說其實我也希望委員來共同來協助我的理想的構想是外交部跟農業部門對於\n\n19\n00:06:20,879 --> 00:06:47,976\n我們補助進港的費用然後或者是去找好的保險制度來開設讓我們的漁船我們的船東有能力讓我們的這些遇到發生事情的時候可以就近在就近的第三國趕快就近去就醫像我們最近有的是他可以去關島就近就醫的都不願意\n\n20\n00:06:50,918 --> 00:07:11,263\n主要是因為醫療費用那麼高然後進港也要費用交通也要費用所以這個部分我們來回一趟光油錢就六百萬六百萬我要是成為外交跟農業部門漁業部門的補助費用下去的話什麼費用都夠啊\n\n21\n00:07:12,524 --> 00:07:25,779\n所以但是呢就卡在制度面所以這個部分也要來突破那我們已經要求召開會議協調但是協調的結果還是沒有辦法全部突破為什麼呢因為\n\n22\n00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:52,930\n因為漁船的船員多半都非本國國籍所以我們的補助的制度就會遇到這個國籍的界限就非本國國民嘛就遇到了界限所以卡住了但是呢我最近又去公文希望再再度展開下個階段的跨部會協調整合再請委員一起來我非常認同主委的看法所以我們一起來努力畢竟這個\n\n23\n00:07:55,952 --> 00:08:11,188\n因為千里救援本來就是我一直放在心頭所以我就會不捨說實在是每天都想說你還沒回來我不去接但是要去接又不是我們的量能做得到那種糾結很深\n\n24\n00:08:11,809 --> 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謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請我們管主委好請主委主委好主委好主委我想請教一下這個因為這陣子我們一直有發現這個在我們這個屏東仿山的這個海嵐區也有一艘坦尚尼亞的後輪\n還有另外燒柯麥龍的一個貨輪滯留半年以上那我想這個是一個非常嚴重的一個問題啦那尤其我們現在目前這個權益輪這個持續危害國安的事件我想也引起國人的高度關注那請教主委我們有沒有掌握相關的一個資訊\n我們對於這些全輿輪分級以後管理那海上長期滯留的目標我們都有相當程度的掌握那特定的這一艘船我們有掌握那掌握的細節如果委員有需要的話我們請署長來跟委員做說明好不好謝謝\n這邊特別跟委員報告那因為這輛超船就是就是我們監控的東京備忘乳裡面96艘的其中但是他是被我們評估為沒有威脅性的那第二部分就是他滯留在那個地方我們除了\n靠近我們的水域以後我們會請航港局以船機構管理方式來廣播它離開那不行的話我們的海巡的艦船體就會上去看那這兩艘其中有一艘我們登檢過兩次那基本上上面沒有任何的問題\n都有去登檢這個部分還是要請諸位多注意畢竟這個國安的問題也是國人很關注那我想還有也應該拿出一個強硬的態度來做處理就是我剛剛跟委員報告就說因為分級所以我們就有掌握雖然說他分級沒有危險性我們還是去登檢兩次了還是要謹慎處理\n主委那這個部分因為我的選區有我們的小琉球那目前小琉球也是我們台灣很熱門的一個觀光的一個景點那每年大概有一百多萬的遊客那我想當然過去我們這個周邊的海域包含我們的海委會也好還有我們的大鵬灣管理處還有屏東縣政府我想大家針對這個觀光資源的保護也都應該要盡一份的責任但是我想去年我們監察院\n有針對這個小琉球的自然生態保育的部分有針對我們還會有提出一個糾正那主委我想這個小琉球的這個海域的一個\n生物的多樣性還有甚至我們一個觀光資源的保護我想主委這邊是不是應該加強來多做一些作為各位委員報告我在主持我們海委會的委員會議的時候可以說對風景管理處其實是給很大的壓力因為我也認為\n小琉球的生態承載量這件事情目前掌控的程度還有可以精進的地方那雖然業務主管部門不在海委會但是我都透過委員會議要求一定要做生態承載量的調查重新去估算每日的可以容納的這個容壽的這個觀光的人口\n那目前這個數字我們認為說對於生態承載量而言負擔還是很重這是一點另外就是說對於潮間帶的管理的部分我們過去也經過協調整合那屏東縣政府也非常的關心那晚近甚至於屏東縣政府對於這個潮間帶的管理都還有進一步想要化這個靜置區的計畫我們也都有參與在開會\n當然它受損就是珊瑚的覆蓋率受到影響這個部分確實是有但是總體來講我們在這個部分是真的是不斷的在朝向改善的方向它是朝改善的方向在走但是我們是希望能夠保護的更多\n對但是如果這個生態這個美景不見了我想遊客也不會去這也是我們比較跨部會來整合的一個部分那我依主委的高度應該是這個來帶領這個我們相關的單位大家一起來努力啦我們非常重視這一塊謝謝委員關心那另外今年農曆年節過後我想我這邊也接到很多起\n這個我們這個遠洋的這個漁民甚至外籍漁工在作業的時候因為生病那必須請我們這個海巡的通人來做救援那這邊也特別感謝這個我們海巡的通人都在第一時間能夠跟我們的漁業署能夠搭配\n那最快的時間能夠這個救援不過我覺得這個在處理上面因為有畢竟這個我們跟國收中心跟漁業署這個通報之間的一個有時候一個資訊的落差所以這部分是不是應該搭一個平台來一起來努力\n我們目前有平台我再來瞭解委員所說的哪一個個案在資訊上造成落差這個我也很驚訝因為基本上這個平台要很順暢然後要很精確我會來瞭解因為有時候這些路途比較那個海上的時間比較長啊那我們必須要很精準的掌握到我們國收甚至海巡署的船艦什麼時候可以接到這個\n這個生病的一個漁民趕快把他後送到我們的本島來就醫啦這個時間上有一些落差\n像我們前幾天就是上個禮拜才來回一千多海里去介護一位中風的船長回來那跟委員報告就是說其實我也希望委員來共同來協助我的理想的構想是外交部跟農業部門對於\n我們補助進港的費用然後或者是去找好的保險制度來開設讓我們的漁船我們的船東有能力讓我們的這些遇到發生事情的時候可以就近在就近的第三國趕快就近去就醫像我們最近有的是他可以去關島就近就醫的都不願意\n主要是因為醫療費用那麼高然後進港也要費用交通也要費用所以這個部分我們來回一趟光油錢就六百萬六百萬我要是成為外交跟農業部門漁業部門的補助費用下去的話什麼費用都夠啊\n所以但是呢就卡在制度面所以這個部分也要來突破那我們已經要求召開會議協調但是協調的結果還是沒有辦法全部突破為什麼呢因為\n因為漁船的船員多半都非本國國籍所以我們的補助的制度就會遇到這個國籍的界限就非本國國民嘛就遇到了界限所以卡住了但是呢我最近又去公文希望再再度展開下個階段的跨部會協調整合再請委員一起來我非常認同主委的看法所以我們一起來努力畢竟這個\n因為千里救援本來就是我一直放在心頭所以我就會不捨說實在是每天都想說你還沒回來我不去接但是要去接又不是我們的量能做得到那種糾結很深\n尤其現在黑尾漁記有很多漁船在海上在作業隨時都有風險這部分我們希望趕快建立這樣一個制度但是海巡這樣子千里救援的量能調度也都是困難所以我們都盡全力在做主委這個早時間我們再來整合一下好 謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.127 --> 00:26.480\n謝謝主席有請我們管主委好請主委主委好主委好主委我想請教一下這個因為這陣子我們一直有發現這個在我們這個屏東仿山的這個海嵐區也有一艘坦尚尼亞的後輪\n\n00:27.222 --> 00:42.852\n還有另外燒柯麥龍的一個貨輪滯留半年以上那我想這個是一個非常嚴重的一個問題啦那尤其我們現在目前這個權益輪這個持續危害國安的事件我想也引起國人的高度關注那請教主委我們有沒有掌握相關的一個資訊\n\n00:44.173 --> 00:59.958\n我們對於這些全輿輪分級以後管理那海上長期滯留的目標我們都有相當程度的掌握那特定的這一艘船我們有掌握那掌握的細節如果委員有需要的話我們請署長來跟委員做說明好不好謝謝\n\n01:02.884 --> 01:18.632\n這邊特別跟委員報告那因為這輛超船就是就是我們監控的東京備忘乳裡面96艘的其中但是他是被我們評估為沒有威脅性的那第二部分就是他滯留在那個地方我們除了\n\n01:19.572 --> 01:33.942\n靠近我們的水域以後我們會請航港局以船機構管理方式來廣播它離開那不行的話我們的海巡的艦船體就會上去看那這兩艘其中有一艘我們登檢過兩次那基本上上面沒有任何的問題\n\n01:34.933 --> 02:01.271\n都有去登檢這個部分還是要請諸位多注意畢竟這個國安的問題也是國人很關注那我想還有也應該拿出一個強硬的態度來做處理就是我剛剛跟委員報告就說因為分級所以我們就有掌握雖然說他分級沒有危險性我們還是去登檢兩次了還是要謹慎處理\n\n02:05.793 --> 02:34.046\n主委那這個部分因為我的選區有我們的小琉球那目前小琉球也是我們台灣很熱門的一個觀光的一個景點那每年大概有一百多萬的遊客那我想當然過去我們這個周邊的海域包含我們的海委會也好還有我們的大鵬灣管理處還有屏東縣政府我想大家針對這個觀光資源的保護也都應該要盡一份的責任但是我想去年我們監察院\n\n02:34.588 --> 02:44.557\n有針對這個小琉球的自然生態保育的部分有針對我們還會有提出一個糾正那主委我想這個小琉球的這個海域的一個\n\n02:45.845 --> 03:05.056\n生物的多樣性還有甚至我們一個觀光資源的保護我想主委這邊是不是應該加強來多做一些作為各位委員報告我在主持我們海委會的委員會議的時候可以說對風景管理處其實是給很大的壓力因為我也認為\n\n03:06.056 --> 03:28.395\n小琉球的生態承載量這件事情目前掌控的程度還有可以精進的地方那雖然業務主管部門不在海委會但是我都透過委員會議要求一定要做生態承載量的調查重新去估算每日的可以容納的這個容壽的這個觀光的人口\n\n03:32.438 --> 03:55.564\n那目前這個數字我們認為說對於生態承載量而言負擔還是很重這是一點另外就是說對於潮間帶的管理的部分我們過去也經過協調整合那屏東縣政府也非常的關心那晚近甚至於屏東縣政府對於這個潮間帶的管理都還有進一步想要化這個靜置區的計畫我們也都有參與在開會\n\n04:02.286 --> 04:27.506\n當然它受損就是珊瑚的覆蓋率受到影響這個部分確實是有但是總體來講我們在這個部分是真的是不斷的在朝向改善的方向它是朝改善的方向在走但是我們是希望能夠保護的更多\n\n04:28.428 --> 04:53.233\n對但是如果這個生態這個美景不見了我想遊客也不會去這也是我們比較跨部會來整合的一個部分那我依主委的高度應該是這個來帶領這個我們相關的單位大家一起來努力啦我們非常重視這一塊謝謝委員關心那另外今年農曆年節過後我想我這邊也接到很多起\n\n04:53.934 --> 05:10.335\n這個我們這個遠洋的這個漁民甚至外籍漁工在作業的時候因為生病那必須請我們這個海巡的通人來做救援那這邊也特別感謝這個我們海巡的通人都在第一時間能夠跟我們的漁業署能夠搭配\n\n05:10.799 --> 05:25.761\n那最快的時間能夠這個救援不過我覺得這個在處理上面因為有畢竟這個我們跟國收中心跟漁業署這個通報之間的一個有時候一個資訊的落差所以這部分是不是應該搭一個平台來一起來努力\n\n05:26.400 --> 05:49.674\n我們目前有平台我再來瞭解委員所說的哪一個個案在資訊上造成落差這個我也很驚訝因為基本上這個平台要很順暢然後要很精確我會來瞭解因為有時候這些路途比較那個海上的時間比較長啊那我們必須要很精準的掌握到我們國收甚至海巡署的船艦什麼時候可以接到這個\n\n05:50.997 --> 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