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00:00:41,102\n我們在審查這個海洋保育法的時候這個海洋委員會給予很多的支持列政委員會都能夠共同好厲害這個法完成這個法是那對於這個法裡面有很多原住民的條款這個像第5條第8條第19條當然還有一些\n\n3\n00:00:42,150 --> 00:01:07,556\n法則的部分也有涉及到原住民相關這前面的條文那這樣這個完成這個法之後也謝謝海洋委員會到各地區辦說明會這個我都有去了解這個要謝謝當然後續就是執行那執行這個過程當中當然有一些\n\n4\n00:01:08,755 --> 00:01:37,618\n这个执法要定定今天这个我来不及准备但是我看了你们的预告这个12345有五个执法正在预告之中有三个是到5月26另外就是有两个是到6月那我之所以特别提就是\n\n5\n00:01:38,820 --> 00:02:05,867\n當然因為很多這個鄉親不見得瞭解這個預告的程序所以不見得會去上網當然如果有相關的這些意見的話就是請這個我們海洋委員會盡量給採納好那我們看這個海洋保育法這個第八條當然從第八條裡面\n\n6\n00:02:08,747 --> 00:02:29,198\n這個第一項很重要的就是中央主管機關得救海洋生態系統有特別保護必要且未經其他主管機關劃設為海洋保護期者劃定為海洋庇護期這個部分是一個很重要的條文\n\n7\n00:02:30,149 --> 00:02:58,020\n而這個條文裡面我有說一直要怎麼去釐清你們跟那個海岸管理法的那個界限不曉得你們有沒有跟那個內政部或是別的部會這個海域到底是從哪裡開始一般人民不清楚也許你們很清楚這個海域跟海岸\n\n8\n00:03:00,398 --> 00:03:10,835\n這個怎麼去去理解劃分因為也不可能去劃線所以這個部分是一個你們在提書面的\n\n9\n00:03:12,118 --> 00:03:30,764\n資料給我委員確實提到一個問題點因為海岸管理法有禁岸海域的管理範圍相關的條款如果到時候需要釐清的時候就會遇到這個問題本來我們在規劃的\n\n10\n00:03:35,686 --> 00:03:51,235\n海域管理法草案會涉及這些各地方政府或各級政府不同的海域管理的權責要不要統一化歸中央我們在做草案的時候有考慮這個課題\n\n11\n00:03:52,876 --> 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