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00:01:37,183\n因為我們調查的過程有五個階段嘛一個是通報現場直接可以回答我預計在今年或明年有沒有機會能夠來增加人力或是擴大變質我們希望這樣子啦那目前人事行政總署的回覆是如何但是我們知道困難度很高如果委員會幫我們push一下我們非常感謝我們當然樂意push啊那目前的話就是回覆來講的話是說沒有辦法嗎\n\n6\n00:01:39,724 --> 00:02:01,006\n如果說沒有辦法的話那我們就接著來去質詢人事行政總署看他如何來協助那麼重要的一個單位那這個攸關在整個國內的這個包含運輸安全的改善那我是覺得說必須要讓大家有充足的能力甚至還有充足的一個資源因為這個部分必須要用人才來能夠去決定還有這個所謂調查的結果\n\n7\n00:02:01,857 --> 00:02:28,516\n那沒關係那個我還是現在來講目前還沒有人力上面能夠更好的消息那我也希望說要如何能夠協助預案會提高人力的這個部分那我們是希望說能夠有所進展那這樣子我相信也是同仁們的期待那接著要請教一下主委這個預案會我剛才聽國城召委在質詢的時候也提到解凍案可以趕快送那目前來講就準備要送了嗎\n\n8\n00:02:29,318 --> 00:02:47,377\n準備要送了在鎖上了都已經寫的差不多了寫的差不多對好那我相信如果說那麼重要的一個解答案我們看到其實在任何的一個預算不管是凍結或者是刪除案我們一定是基於預算的使用我們要為人民勘緊荷包\n\n9\n00:02:48,038 --> 00:03:05,244\n那所以說這個部分不應該成為這個所謂他們在操作大罷免來添柴火的這種題目那尤其是運安會大家的loading那麼重所以是希望說盡快將這個解凍案能夠送交就是委員會那讓這個過程趕快盡快來加速如果說可以的話\n\n10\n00:03:06,024 --> 00:03:28,347\n我看其實許多的部會其實都已經送了我看如果可以的話運安會早晚也在這邊提出了呼喊跟期待嘛那我是覺得為了同仁啊那不管是行政院這邊給怎麼樣的壓力啊那我是覺得基於同仁跟部會機關來講大家的業務來講可以盡快送出的話那在這個月的話是可以完成送出了嗎\n\n11\n00:03:35,735 --> 00:03:53,442\n同樣的就是說在上次的話本席在諮詢的時候交通部長他那時候有提到因為當然大家每個同仁在處理這個報告是非常的多還調查世界也都是重大影響交通運輸安全等等的一些事項才會進行調查又是可能是相關的造成傷亡\n\n12\n00:03:54,082 --> 00:04:13,350\n那時候其實在交通部長陳時凱有提到當然說最好的一個時間是希望3到6個月那可是現在目前來講也首先與這個人力的關係那所以幾乎要到1到3年那所以本期想要這個就交部長在這個行政程序法他有一個51條有一個即時性原則\n\n13\n00:04:14,170 --> 00:04:32,347\n那如何能夠在運安會的報告在主要的一個交通議題的調查中它能夠有階段性的一個資訊揭露機制就是在重大的一些議題上面來講可能初步來講調查的因為同樣的這些許多的事件都是社會大眾所關注矚目的\n\n14\n00:04:32,907 --> 00:04:48,801\n那在這個階段性的一個機制揭露的機制那尤其是大概在三個月內中大事件能夠先有一個初步的一個內容那我想請問一下主委在這個機制上目前的安排進度為何目前這個機制實際上應該還算OK因為每個調查\n\n15\n00:04:50,502 --> 00:05:16,346\n事故的案件進行的過程中都會有一個叫做所謂調查期間的安全通告那麼在事實資料報告公布的時候被調查機關的單位他們都有事先因為他參與一次調查嘛從一開始來參與組織婚婚會議啊參與這個研討找證據的時候他們都在裡面所以他們就是我們一邊調查他一邊也在改善他也都知道\n\n16\n00:05:16,866 --> 00:05:43,937\n但是最主要是因為運安會它有公信力在那所以說像這樣子未來來講在重大的這種在調查的事件來講那是不是可以在三個月左右在階段性的揭露那運安會可以有這樣子的機制來回應我們有一個新聞發布的一個處理重要點如果在某一個階段裡面這個案子是屬於社會重大關注的案子那我們會適時可以揭露出去\n\n17\n00:05:44,724 --> 00:06:01,096\n那所以說時間上的話大概是什麼時候不一定它是每個case都不太一樣那我本席在這裡是希望願會如果社會關注的重大事件其實這個大家都能夠可受公平的那在三個月左右的話能夠有一個初步揭露讓同仁能夠把重點先做一個社會的回應這樣子可以達到嗎\n\n18\n00:06:01,696 --> 00:06:26,934\n這個是可以做得到的OK好那在接下來剛才許多委員都針對ADS的這種先進駕駛輔助系統還在進行諮詢那本市長要接著問在這個包括後面的一個調查報告啊在改善的一些過程中那前端在調查資料的時候這些民間的車廠或是他們提供資訊或是配合調查的一個情況有沒有遇到什麼樣的困難\n\n19\n00:06:29,133 --> 00:06:54,058\n目前還沒有耶所以這些車廠或是民間業者原則上都會配合運安會對那在機關的平行聯繫上面來講有時候需要進入約談一些可能要訪談的對象或者是甚至有一些相關的一些技術面的部分甚至有涉及到司法檢調的部分他們也都全力配合運安會嗎目前都OK的都全力配合好那沒關係那我覺得要就教就是\n\n20\n00:06:54,938 --> 00:07:20,549\n那各模組尚未完成改善建議的這個部分就這個列表的部分那其實運安會有時候都要承擔一些比較吃虧的就是做出了許多改善建議建議事項那他可能受建議單位不僅是交通部可能包含各部會可能包含縣市政府那他們在配合運安會受建議的改善建議內容他的執行情況如何\n\n21\n00:07:23,453 --> 00:07:44,084\n這1、2年確實是那個完成率提高很大大概多少大概有10%到15%左右10%到15%可以配合運安會嘛那在於各部會來講的話哪一個部會的配合率最高哪一個部會的配合率難度相較來講也高都還不錯啊都還不錯交通部最高嗎\n\n22\n00:07:45,496 --> 00:08:04,515\n交通部就底下,你是走部本部還是底下高空局?當然是涵蓋啊涵蓋都OK啊好啦沒關係,在這裡不要讓你得罪其他部會那本席還是在這裡要提出啦就是還是要建議運安會能夠跟行政院這邊溝通許多的一個改善建議的單位啊\n\n23\n00:08:04,995 --> 00:08:23,155\n他們現在來講在運安會所提出的建議啊那如果他們沒有辦法去配合完成或是他時間有時候配合到修法他需要匡日費時或是有時候需要配合到計畫的經費來去做類似像機場的改道標籤的設置甚至塔台的重新的調整或是甚至路線的修改那可能匡日費時\n\n24\n00:08:24,016 --> 00:08:38,326\n但是沒有辦法結案的這個部分其實都還是列在這個運安會上面啦那所以說本席還是在這裡先提出就是運安會可以跟行政院還是看如何能夠讓各個部會來配合運安會的一個改善建議那來打\n\n25\n00:08:40,327 --> 00:09:03,628\n提高這個諮詢率啊不然的話院會畢竟許多的專家學者不管是技術或者是法規但是如果說能夠配合來去修正的進度或者是這個比例來講不夠高的話那其實是非常可惜啊那所以本身還是建議就是主委這邊再加強與其他部會的溝通那至於說其他部會的諮詢率的狀況我下次再跟你談好\n\n26\n00:09:04,605 --> 00:09:27,527\n其他部位其實並不多耶大概都是交通部比較多對啊大部分因為主要是交通事故啊但是裡面其實有涉及到國防部啊有涉及到內政部等等的也都有啊那所以說這個相關他們要改善的一個情況那如何能夠提高這個比例跟它的實效性這個行政院每定期都有開一個協調會多久開一次\n\n27\n00:09:28,248 --> 00:09:52,978\n大概半年因為我們會報到他們去嘛那我坦白講半年一次這個間隔太長我坦白講那我很希望說下次可以溝通至少三個月要開一次嘛那不斷縮短吧因為這個畢竟這些重大事故的改善建議都是大家心血的捷徑那這個也是必須要改善的事那行政院都有完全在掌握啦掌握要掌握得好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1091\t4377\t謝謝 謝會主席 那有請主委好 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揭露的機制那尤其是大概在三個月內中大事件能夠先有一個初步的一個內容那我想請問一下主委在這個機制上目前的安排進度為何目前這個機制實際上應該還算OK因為每個調查\n290502\t316346\t事故的案件進行的過程中都會有一個叫做所謂調查期間的安全通告那麼在事實資料報告公布的時候被調查機關的單位他們都有事先因為他參與一次調查嘛從一開始來參與組織婚婚會議啊參與這個研討找證據的時候他們都在裡面所以他們就是我們一邊調查他一邊也在改善他也都知道\n316866\t343937\t但是最主要是因為運安會它有公信力在那所以說像這樣子未來來講在重大的這種在調查的事件來講那是不是可以在三個月左右在階段性的揭露那運安會可以有這樣子的機制來回應我們有一個新聞發布的一個處理重要點如果在某一個階段裡面這個案子是屬於社會重大關注的案子那我們會適時可以揭露出去\n344724\t361096\t那所以說時間上的話大概是什麼時候 不一定 它是每個case都不太一樣那我本席在這裡是希望願會如果社會關注的重大事件其實這個大家都能夠可受公平的那在三個月左右的話能夠有一個初步揭露讓同仁能夠把重點先做一個社會的回應這樣子可以達到嗎\n361696\t386934\t這個是可以做得到的OK好那在接下來剛才許多委員都針對ADS的這種先進駕駛輔助系統還在進行諮詢那本市長要接著問在這個包括後面的一個調查報告啊在改善的一些過程中那前端在調查資料的時候這些民間的車廠或是他們提供資訊或是配合調查的一個情況有沒有遇到什麼樣的困難\n389133\t414058\t目前還沒有耶所以這些車廠或是民間業者原則上都會配合運安會對那在機關的平行聯繫上面來講有時候需要進入約談一些可能要訪談的對象或者是甚至有一些相關的一些技術面的部分甚至有涉及到司法檢調的部分他們也都全力配合運安會嗎目前都OK的都全力配合好那沒關係那我覺得要就教就是\n414938\t440549\t那各模組尚未完成改善建議的這個部分就這個列表的部分那其實運安會有時候都要承擔一些比較吃虧的就是做出了許多改善建議建議事項那他可能受建議單位不僅是交通部可能包含各部會可能包含縣市政府那他們在配合運安會受建議的改善建議內容他的執行情況如何\n443453\t464084\t這1、2年確實是那個完成率提高很大大概多少大概有10%到15%左右10%到15%可以配合運安會嘛那在於各部會來講的話哪一個部會的配合率最高哪一個部會的配合率難度相較來講也高都還不錯啊都還不錯 交通部最高嗎\n465496\t484515\t交通部就底下,你是走部本部還是底下高空局?當然是涵蓋啊涵蓋都OK啊好啦沒關係,在這裡不要讓你得罪其他部會那本席還是在這裡要提出啦就是還是要建議運安會能夠跟行政院這邊溝通許多的一個改善建議的單位啊\n484995\t503155\t他們現在來講在運安會所提出的建議啊那如果他們沒有辦法去配合完成或是他時間有時候配合到修法他需要匡日費時或是有時候需要配合到計畫的經費來去做類似像機場的改道標籤的設置甚至塔台的重新的調整或是甚至路線的修改那可能匡日費時\n504016\t518326\t但是沒有辦法結案的這個部分其實都還是列在這個運安會上面啦那所以說本席還是在這裡先提出就是運安會可以跟行政院還是看如何能夠讓各個部會來配合運安會的一個改善建議那來打\n520327\t543628\t提高這個諮詢率啊不然的話院會畢竟許多的專家學者不管是技術或者是法規但是如果說能夠配合來去修正的進度或者是這個比例來講不夠高的話那其實是非常可惜啊那所以本身還是建議就是主委這邊再加強與其他部會的溝通那至於說其他部會的諮詢率的狀況我下次再跟你談好\n544605\t567527\t其他部位其實並不多耶大概都是交通部比較多對啊大部分因為主要是交通事故啊但是裡面其實有涉及到國防部啊有涉及到內政部等等的也都有啊那所以說這個相關他們要改善的一個情況那如何能夠提高這個比例跟它的實效性這個行政院每定期都有開一個協調會多久開一次\n568248\t592978\t大概半年因為我們會報到他們去嘛那我坦白講半年一次這個間隔太長我坦白講那我很希望說下次可以溝通至少三個月要開一次嘛那不斷縮短吧因為這個畢竟這些重大事故的改善建議都是大家心血的捷徑那這個也是必須要改善的事那行政院都有完全在掌握啦掌握要掌握得好謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝 謝會主席 那有請主委好 運安會林主委\n主委好剛才在會議之前我們有遇到感謝你誇獎我都對運安會不錯但是主委對於包括會內的業務那我也希望說對於不錯是真的讓我們的運安會不管是人力資源物力來講都能夠充足才能夠對於我們社會各界符合這個期待來展現這個主委的魄力\n那同樣的延續之前我們碰面的時候那時候跟您就教了那這個人力補充的部分啊那從在去年的時候就跟主委有提到那時候跟人事行政總署反映的一個情況想問一下主委目前進度為何\n目前人力因為我們高峰期過了那我們內部當時也在做這個每個調查官的主要專長次要專長那我們也在做這個我們成立一個叫做檢視資源小組就是說在不是那麼專業的Domain Knowledge的情況之下\n因為我們調查的過程有五個階段嘛一個是通報現場直接可以回答我預計在今年或明年有沒有機會能夠來增加人力或是擴大變質我們希望這樣子啦那目前人事行政總署的回覆是如何但是我們知道困難度很高如果委員會幫我們push一下我們非常感謝我們當然樂意push啊那目前的話就是回覆來講的話是說沒有辦法嗎\n如果說沒有辦法的話那我們就接著來去質詢人事行政總署看他如何來協助那麼重要的一個單位那這個攸關在整個國內的這個包含運輸安全的改善那我是覺得說必須要讓大家有充足的能力甚至還有充足的一個資源因為這個部分必須要用人才來能夠去決定還有這個所謂調查的結果\n那沒關係那個我還是現在來講目前還沒有人力上面能夠更好的消息那我也希望說要如何能夠協助預案會提高人力的這個部分那我們是希望說能夠有所進展那這樣子我相信也是同仁們的期待那接著要請教一下主委這個預案會我剛才聽國城召委在質詢的時候也提到解凍案可以趕快送那目前來講就準備要送了嗎\n準備要送了 在鎖上了 都已經寫的差不多了寫的差不多 對好 那我相信如果說那麼重要的一個解答案我們看到其實在任何的一個預算不管是凍結或者是刪除案我們一定是基於預算的使用我們要為人民勘緊荷包\n那所以說這個部分不應該成為這個所謂他們在操作大罷免來添柴火的這種題目那尤其是運安會大家的loading那麼重所以是希望說盡快將這個解凍案能夠送交就是委員會那讓這個過程趕快盡快來加速如果說可以的話\n我看其實許多的部會其實都已經送了我看如果可以的話運安會早晚也在這邊提出了呼喊跟期待嘛那我是覺得為了同仁啊那不管是行政院這邊給怎麼樣的壓力啊那我是覺得基於同仁跟部會機關來講大家的業務來講可以盡快送出的話那在這個月的話是可以完成送出了嗎\n同樣的就是說在上次的話本席在諮詢的時候交通部長他那時候有提到因為當然大家每個同仁在處理這個報告是非常的多還調查世界也都是重大影響交通運輸安全等等的一些事項才會進行調查又是可能是相關的造成傷亡\n那時候其實在交通部長陳時凱有提到當然說最好的一個時間是希望3到6個月那可是現在目前來講也首先與這個人力的關係那所以幾乎要到1到3年那所以本期想要這個就交部長在這個行政程序法他有一個51條有一個即時性原則\n那如何能夠在運安會的報告在主要的一個交通議題的調查中它能夠有階段性的一個資訊揭露機制就是在重大的一些議題上面來講可能初步來講調查的因為同樣的這些許多的事件都是社會大眾所關注矚目的\n那在這個階段性的一個機制 揭露的機制那尤其是大概在三個月內中大事件能夠先有一個初步的一個內容那我想請問一下主委在這個機制上目前的安排進度為何目前這個機制實際上應該還算OK因為每個調查\n事故的案件進行的過程中都會有一個叫做所謂調查期間的安全通告那麼在事實資料報告公布的時候被調查機關的單位他們都有事先因為他參與一次調查嘛從一開始來參與組織婚婚會議啊參與這個研討找證據的時候他們都在裡面所以他們就是我們一邊調查他一邊也在改善他也都知道\n但是最主要是因為運安會它有公信力在那所以說像這樣子未來來講在重大的這種在調查的事件來講那是不是可以在三個月左右在階段性的揭露那運安會可以有這樣子的機制來回應我們有一個新聞發布的一個處理重要點如果在某一個階段裡面這個案子是屬於社會重大關注的案子那我們會適時可以揭露出去\n那所以說時間上的話大概是什麼時候 不一定 它是每個case都不太一樣那我本席在這裡是希望願會如果社會關注的重大事件其實這個大家都能夠可受公平的那在三個月左右的話能夠有一個初步揭露讓同仁能夠把重點先做一個社會的回應這樣子可以達到嗎\n這個是可以做得到的OK好那在接下來剛才許多委員都針對ADS的這種先進駕駛輔助系統還在進行諮詢那本市長要接著問在這個包括後面的一個調查報告啊在改善的一些過程中那前端在調查資料的時候這些民間的車廠或是他們提供資訊或是配合調查的一個情況有沒有遇到什麼樣的困難\n目前還沒有耶所以這些車廠或是民間業者原則上都會配合運安會對那在機關的平行聯繫上面來講有時候需要進入約談一些可能要訪談的對象或者是甚至有一些相關的一些技術面的部分甚至有涉及到司法檢調的部分他們也都全力配合運安會嗎目前都OK的都全力配合好那沒關係那我覺得要就教就是\n那各模組尚未完成改善建議的這個部分就這個列表的部分那其實運安會有時候都要承擔一些比較吃虧的就是做出了許多改善建議建議事項那他可能受建議單位不僅是交通部可能包含各部會可能包含縣市政府那他們在配合運安會受建議的改善建議內容他的執行情況如何\n這1、2年確實是那個完成率提高很大大概多少大概有10%到15%左右10%到15%可以配合運安會嘛那在於各部會來講的話哪一個部會的配合率最高哪一個部會的配合率難度相較來講也高都還不錯啊都還不錯 交通部最高嗎\n交通部就底下,你是走部本部還是底下高空局?當然是涵蓋啊涵蓋都OK啊好啦沒關係,在這裡不要讓你得罪其他部會那本席還是在這裡要提出啦就是還是要建議運安會能夠跟行政院這邊溝通許多的一個改善建議的單位啊\n他們現在來講在運安會所提出的建議啊那如果他們沒有辦法去配合完成或是他時間有時候配合到修法他需要匡日費時或是有時候需要配合到計畫的經費來去做類似像機場的改道標籤的設置甚至塔台的重新的調整或是甚至路線的修改那可能匡日費時\n但是沒有辦法結案的這個部分其實都還是列在這個運安會上面啦那所以說本席還是在這裡先提出就是運安會可以跟行政院還是看如何能夠讓各個部會來配合運安會的一個改善建議那來打\n提高這個諮詢率啊不然的話院會畢竟許多的專家學者不管是技術或者是法規但是如果說能夠配合來去修正的進度或者是這個比例來講不夠高的話那其實是非常可惜啊那所以本身還是建議就是主委這邊再加強與其他部會的溝通那至於說其他部會的諮詢率的狀況我下次再跟你談好\n其他部位其實並不多耶大概都是交通部比較多對啊大部分因為主要是交通事故啊但是裡面其實有涉及到國防部啊有涉及到內政部等等的也都有啊那所以說這個相關他們要改善的一個情況那如何能夠提高這個比例跟它的實效性這個行政院每定期都有開一個協調會多久開一次\n大概半年因為我們會報到他們去嘛那我坦白講半年一次這個間隔太長我坦白講那我很希望說下次可以溝通至少三個月要開一次嘛那不斷縮短吧因為這個畢竟這些重大事故的改善建議都是大家心血的捷徑那這個也是必須要改善的事那行政院都有完全在掌握啦掌握要掌握得好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.091 --> 00:04.377\n謝謝謝會主席那有請主委好運安會林主委\n\n00:10.828 --> 00:39.267\n主委好剛才在會議之前我們有遇到感謝你誇獎我都對運安會不錯但是主委對於包括會內的業務那我也希望說對於不錯是真的讓我們的運安會不管是人力資源物力來講都能夠充足才能夠對於我們社會各界符合這個期待來展現這個主委的魄力\n\n00:39.767 --> 00:55.376\n那同樣的延續之前我們碰面的時候那時候跟您就教了那這個人力補充的部分啊那從在去年的時候就跟主委有提到那時候跟人事行政總署反映的一個情況想問一下主委目前進度為何\n\n00:56.397 --> 01:13.946\n目前人力因為我們高峰期過了那我們內部當時也在做這個每個調查官的主要專長次要專長那我們也在做這個我們成立一個叫做檢視資源小組就是說在不是那麼專業的DomainKnowledge的情況之下\n\n01:15.006 --> 01:37.183\n因為我們調查的過程有五個階段嘛一個是通報現場直接可以回答我預計在今年或明年有沒有機會能夠來增加人力或是擴大變質我們希望這樣子啦那目前人事行政總署的回覆是如何但是我們知道困難度很高如果委員會幫我們push一下我們非常感謝我們當然樂意push啊那目前的話就是回覆來講的話是說沒有辦法嗎\n\n01:39.724 --> 02:01.006\n如果說沒有辦法的話那我們就接著來去質詢人事行政總署看他如何來協助那麼重要的一個單位那這個攸關在整個國內的這個包含運輸安全的改善那我是覺得說必須要讓大家有充足的能力甚至還有充足的一個資源因為這個部分必須要用人才來能夠去決定還有這個所謂調查的結果\n\n02:01.857 --> 02:28.516\n那沒關係那個我還是現在來講目前還沒有人力上面能夠更好的消息那我也希望說要如何能夠協助預案會提高人力的這個部分那我們是希望說能夠有所進展那這樣子我相信也是同仁們的期待那接著要請教一下主委這個預案會我剛才聽國城召委在質詢的時候也提到解凍案可以趕快送那目前來講就準備要送了嗎\n\n02:29.318 --> 02:47.377\n準備要送了在鎖上了都已經寫的差不多了寫的差不多對好那我相信如果說那麼重要的一個解答案我們看到其實在任何的一個預算不管是凍結或者是刪除案我們一定是基於預算的使用我們要為人民勘緊荷包\n\n02:48.038 --> 03:05.244\n那所以說這個部分不應該成為這個所謂他們在操作大罷免來添柴火的這種題目那尤其是運安會大家的loading那麼重所以是希望說盡快將這個解凍案能夠送交就是委員會那讓這個過程趕快盡快來加速如果說可以的話\n\n03:06.024 --> 03:28.347\n我看其實許多的部會其實都已經送了我看如果可以的話運安會早晚也在這邊提出了呼喊跟期待嘛那我是覺得為了同仁啊那不管是行政院這邊給怎麼樣的壓力啊那我是覺得基於同仁跟部會機關來講大家的業務來講可以盡快送出的話那在這個月的話是可以完成送出了嗎\n\n03:35.735 --> 03:53.442\n同樣的就是說在上次的話本席在諮詢的時候交通部長他那時候有提到因為當然大家每個同仁在處理這個報告是非常的多還調查世界也都是重大影響交通運輸安全等等的一些事項才會進行調查又是可能是相關的造成傷亡\n\n03:54.082 --> 04:13.350\n那時候其實在交通部長陳時凱有提到當然說最好的一個時間是希望3到6個月那可是現在目前來講也首先與這個人力的關係那所以幾乎要到1到3年那所以本期想要這個就交部長在這個行政程序法他有一個51條有一個即時性原則\n\n04:14.170 --> 04:32.347\n那如何能夠在運安會的報告在主要的一個交通議題的調查中它能夠有階段性的一個資訊揭露機制就是在重大的一些議題上面來講可能初步來講調查的因為同樣的這些許多的事件都是社會大眾所關注矚目的\n\n04:32.907 --> 04:48.801\n那在這個階段性的一個機制揭露的機制那尤其是大概在三個月內中大事件能夠先有一個初步的一個內容那我想請問一下主委在這個機制上目前的安排進度為何目前這個機制實際上應該還算OK因為每個調查\n\n04:50.502 --> 05:16.346\n事故的案件進行的過程中都會有一個叫做所謂調查期間的安全通告那麼在事實資料報告公布的時候被調查機關的單位他們都有事先因為他參與一次調查嘛從一開始來參與組織婚婚會議啊參與這個研討找證據的時候他們都在裡面所以他們就是我們一邊調查他一邊也在改善他也都知道\n\n05:16.866 --> 05:43.937\n但是最主要是因為運安會它有公信力在那所以說像這樣子未來來講在重大的這種在調查的事件來講那是不是可以在三個月左右在階段性的揭露那運安會可以有這樣子的機制來回應我們有一個新聞發布的一個處理重要點如果在某一個階段裡面這個案子是屬於社會重大關注的案子那我們會適時可以揭露出去\n\n05:44.724 --> 06:01.096\n那所以說時間上的話大概是什麼時候不一定它是每個case都不太一樣那我本席在這裡是希望願會如果社會關注的重大事件其實這個大家都能夠可受公平的那在三個月左右的話能夠有一個初步揭露讓同仁能夠把重點先做一個社會的回應這樣子可以達到嗎\n\n06:01.696 --> 06:26.934\n這個是可以做得到的OK好那在接下來剛才許多委員都針對ADS的這種先進駕駛輔助系統還在進行諮詢那本市長要接著問在這個包括後面的一個調查報告啊在改善的一些過程中那前端在調查資料的時候這些民間的車廠或是他們提供資訊或是配合調查的一個情況有沒有遇到什麼樣的困難\n\n06:29.133 --> 06:54.058\n目前還沒有耶所以這些車廠或是民間業者原則上都會配合運安會對那在機關的平行聯繫上面來講有時候需要進入約談一些可能要訪談的對象或者是甚至有一些相關的一些技術面的部分甚至有涉及到司法檢調的部分他們也都全力配合運安會嗎目前都OK的都全力配合好那沒關係那我覺得要就教就是\n\n06:54.938 --> 07:20.549\n那各模組尚未完成改善建議的這個部分就這個列表的部分那其實運安會有時候都要承擔一些比較吃虧的就是做出了許多改善建議建議事項那他可能受建議單位不僅是交通部可能包含各部會可能包含縣市政府那他們在配合運安會受建議的改善建議內容他的執行情況如何\n\n07:23.453 --> 07:44.084\n這1、2年確實是那個完成率提高很大大概多少大概有10%到15%左右10%到15%可以配合運安會嘛那在於各部會來講的話哪一個部會的配合率最高哪一個部會的配合率難度相較來講也高都還不錯啊都還不錯交通部最高嗎\n\n07:45.496 --> 08:04.515\n交通部就底下,你是走部本部還是底下高空局?當然是涵蓋啊涵蓋都OK啊好啦沒關係,在這裡不要讓你得罪其他部會那本席還是在這裡要提出啦就是還是要建議運安會能夠跟行政院這邊溝通許多的一個改善建議的單位啊\n\n08:04.995 --> 08:23.155\n他們現在來講在運安會所提出的建議啊那如果他們沒有辦法去配合完成或是他時間有時候配合到修法他需要匡日費時或是有時候需要配合到計畫的經費來去做類似像機場的改道標籤的設置甚至塔台的重新的調整或是甚至路線的修改那可能匡日費時\n\n08:24.016 --> 08:38.326\n但是沒有辦法結案的這個部分其實都還是列在這個運安會上面啦那所以說本席還是在這裡先提出就是運安會可以跟行政院還是看如何能夠讓各個部會來配合運安會的一個改善建議那來打\n\n08:40.327 --> 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