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00:01:44,630\n好啦你也示範一個我們的海巡署去年編列253.56億嘛沒錯吧是今年編列288.35億嘛對不對增加30億增加34.78億嘛對不對我都沒錯嘛對不對自己的預算我覺得還是要多了解一點啦是我覺得\n\n5\n00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:20,799\n這個真的也不是這對一個部門我在部門待過這對部門本身來講commonsense對部門來說是commonsense那如果這個都不知道我覺得是有點遺憾謝謝委員指教那主委在3月29號參加高雄廠的人民士投價政策宣講會他說海巡署的預算被刪了8.27億元對不對被凍結8.85億元嘛\n\n6\n00:02:27,663 --> 00:02:56,259\n沒錯嘛那因為預算被刪減所以他認為說8艘海巡艦艇無法養護睡休不能出門那海巡官兵拋神槍救生衣戰術背心防彈頭盔都受到影響那管主也說在海上遇到對方有武器時海巡弟兄保護自己防彈背心防彈頭盔怎麼能刪很不甘預算被刪是刪掉海巡弟兄姊妹的平安\n\n7\n00:02:57,964 --> 00:03:08,128\n我剛剛看到也跟您在就教討論實際上我們去年跟今年的預算編列從253億到288億增加了34.78億預算比去年增加結果防彈背心防彈頭盔都沒有了\n\n8\n00:03:21,594 --> 00:03:39,220\n我不知道那是以前就沒有防彈背心防彈頭盔還是現在我們還循屬要把防彈背心跟防彈頭盔拿掉呢以前預算更少的時候這些都在那結果現在預算更多了反而不在\n\n9\n00:03:41,595 --> 00:04:03,883\n包委員因為在編預算的時候我們有不同科目別有的有增加有的有減少我就問你防彈背心防彈頭盔嘛主委講的啊是這部分我們除了8億好啦去年有沒有嘛去年都有也有今年沒有了嗎那個數目不夠所以我們會減相減相啊我告訴你啦多了34億\n\n10\n00:04:06,058 --> 00:04:16,725\n超過百分之十以上了啦預算增加啦那還跟我講說連防彈背心防彈頭盔它是被刪掉喔還不是營養不夠喔講白了就是無病呻吟\n\n11\n00:04:24,522 --> 00:04:41,174\n也就是配合所謂的大罷免做的一系列的造謠那我想請問沒關係啦我覺得海巡弟兄的安全我們還是最在乎的嘛對不對那既然我們主委一直大聲哭窮那我想請問海委會跟海巡署的預算解答案什麼時候會送到立法院來\n\n12\n00:04:45,430 --> 00:05:09,724\n我們目前正在整理那個解通報告因為有146案那其中有126案要專案報告所以必須要仔細的去檢視這些委員所要求的內容所以目前還在處理報告當中現在幾月啊現在4月我看起來不急嘛海巡弟兄的防彈頭盔防彈背心海巡弟兄的所有東西你們竟然都說凍結案\n\n13\n00:05:12,185 --> 00:05:30,837\n預算增加的人還說凍結衝擊到結果現在跟我講說都還在準備沒藥沒金啦那我想問嘛都還在準備下禮拜可以嗎可以把解斷要拿出來嗎作為主管\n\n14\n00:05:42,343 --> 00:06:05,582\n連這個都不知道就沒準備嘛還要幕僚跟你講這麼重大的事如果是我以前當政府官員解凍案什麼時候送出來我會不知道還要靠幕僚就跟剛剛預算多少還要去查資料要匯後報告因為行政院現在進行調整的三點數的報告好啦我跟你講行政院跟你們下的指令就是不要放解凍案啦我知道啦就這麼簡單啦所以你們就在拖嘛那我要問你齁\n\n15\n00:06:10,069 --> 00:06:38,018\n下個月可以送出來嗎?給我一個期間好不好?20秒過去了,給不出期間反無奈的海巡弟兄的安全,照你們的說法如果是被凍結有影響那麼大的話你們無藥無菌\n\n16\n00:06:40,012 --> 00:06:58,242\n連下個月你都沒辦法告訴我說把那個解斷案提出來那兩個月後可以嗎還是到年底好了年底提好不好要不然年底提還是大罷免結束後再提是不是大罷免結束後就會提了這個沒關係啦沒關係啊大有關係拖到現在都沒有拿出來我們都關心海巡弟兄啊\n\n17\n00:07:08,649 --> 00:07:13,666\n可是在解冬安這件事情上抱歉我沒有看到海委會跟海巡署的關係謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6966\t28043\t主席有請吳副主委 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請吳副主委副主委好那今天司法內政聯席審查國家海洋科技營運中心設置條例草案那我們的海委會管弊林主委沒有出席\n那我個人是覺得這個主委有時間去參加民進黨人民式投家的宣講會來為所謂的大罷免助政那卻不出席海委會所屬的行政法人設置條例的審議可以報告委員嗎也算是一個比較特殊的時間管理主委在內政委員會業務報告那我現在請教您 請教副主委海巡署去年跟今年對預算各多少海巡署 那個 謝副可以請我們副署長來說\n委員好我們大概都是兩百多億兩百多少我印象中是兩百三十幾億你是海委會你還要靠印象我是海巡署我是說海巡署你還要靠印象精確數字在跟委員報告你是海巡署你的預算編列還要靠印象還精確數字會後再報告嗎有這種事情嗎不會吧\n好啦 你也示範一個我們的海巡署 去年編列253.56億嘛 沒錯吧是今年編列288.35億嘛 對不對增加30億增加34.78億嘛 對不對我都沒錯嘛 對不對自己的預算我覺得還是要多了解一點啦是我覺得\n這個真的也不是 這對一個部門 我在部門待過這對部門本身來講common sense對部門來說是common sense那如果這個都不知道 我覺得是有點遺憾謝謝委員指教那主委在3月29號參加高雄廠的人民士投價政策宣講會他說海巡署的預算被刪了8.27億元 對不對被凍結8.85億元嘛\n沒錯嘛那因為預算被刪減所以他認為說8艘海巡艦艇無法養護睡休不能出門那海巡官兵拋神槍救生衣戰術背心防彈頭盔都受到影響那管主也說在海上遇到對方有武器時海巡弟兄保護自己防彈背心防彈頭盔怎麼能刪很不甘預算被刪是刪掉海巡弟兄姊妹的平安\n我剛剛看到也跟您在就教討論 實際上我們去年跟今年的預算編列從253億到288億 增加了34.78億預算比去年增加 結果防彈背心 防彈頭盔都沒有了\n我不知道那是以前就沒有防彈背心防彈頭盔還是現在我們還循屬要把防彈背心跟防彈頭盔拿掉呢以前預算更少的時候這些都在那結果現在預算更多了反而不在\n包委員 因為在編預算的時候 我們有不同科目別有的有增加 有的有減少我就問你防彈背心 防彈頭盔嘛 主委講的啊是 這部分我們除了8億好啦 去年有沒有嘛去年都有 也有今年沒有了嗎那個數目不夠 所以我們會減相減相啊我告訴你啦 多了34億\n超過百分之十以上了啦 預算增加啦那還跟我講說連防彈背心 防彈頭盔 它是被刪掉喔還不是營養不夠喔講白了 就是無病呻吟\n也就是配合所謂的大罷免做的一系列的造謠那我想請問 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