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00:02:42,806\nOK好沒問題委員好跟委員報告吊車案件在我們的法規規定不是我們調查的範圍但是因為我們有發現到陳獨剛委員提到的他在短期之內發生的頻率過高所以我們在今年1月3號發生的七堵站這個出軌事故我們就使用這個霸王條款立案調查那也徹底利用這個案子針對於台鐵目前吊車的狀況包括他的規定管理等等那進行調查\n\n9\n00:02:43,326 --> 00:03:05,436\n所以這五個事故案件中只有調查一件嗎目前就是以緝毒案這件調查那他目前調查進度公委員報告這個案子我們目前預計在今年的7月發布事實資料報告那會在明年的1月前發布最終調查報告我們用最短的時間把這個報告完成\n\n10\n00:03:05,953 --> 00:03:14,971\nOK好謝謝您的說明那我們可以說我們可以看到那很顯然的台鐵在他的安全管理上面存在問題那這邊院會是不是要介入\n\n11\n00:03:17,110 --> 00:03:43,680\n來調查針對這次台鐵他們在半年內發生這麼多起事故因為院安會只調查一件可是他卻很頻繁的那每次看到都是在在七堵然後同樣的是在潮州我們可以類似的案子我們可以去把他追出來然後一次告訴他說你這個類似案子這麼多就像電動車當時也是一樣就類似的一起調查這樣\n\n12\n00:03:45,060 --> 00:04:08,453\n是可以這樣做是可以這樣做嗎那院會什麼時候會介入調查當然我們也會跟台磊溝通嘛我會一直關注他他就會有壓力是喔確實是這樣子好那另外請教主委一個問題那鐵道局在2月14號的時候他也針對冒進號車還有推行運轉推進運轉還有吊車吊車時未採取必要之防護措施喔還有\n\n13\n00:04:09,053 --> 00:04:29,948\n同一避涉區間同時運轉兩列以上的列車的問題表示他會加強他的執法力度以強化運轉安全所以你認為鐵道局他這樣的這次他的加強執法作為足以改善台鐵他們在調度上面管理長期存在的問題嗎確實是有有一些問題你要不要請鐵道組組長來答一下\n\n14\n00:04:33,396 --> 00:04:59,350\n有關於監理機關對於營運機構他所施予的這一些管理措施那原則上只要能夠改善這個鐵道安全那我們都樂觀其成那我們也尊重監理機關的做法本席認為國家運輸安全應該要主動的積極來協助各級政府他們還有機關他們機構並且幫助他們預防事故的發生那本席在這邊想要向主委反映一個具體的情況我們先來看到影片\n\n15\n00:05:02,179 --> 00:05:14,023\n我們來看一下我們到站列車,那就是他現在位置然後等一下他到站之後,他的站列車會不會變幽靈列車我們看一下他會不會變幽靈列車,先來看\n\n16\n00:05:18,607 --> 00:05:33,215\n都不見了一股、二股、三股、九股、一股還有車,還有車不見了,但他不知道車站沒了,然後他要去叫路到那個基地喔沒了,就這樣\n\n17\n00:05:34,505 --> 00:06:01,916\n這是發生在一樣是台鐵潮州站那今年3月20號那畫面中我們可以很清楚的看到列車明明還在月台上可是他列車運行的狀況他的監視器的畫面卻沒有顯示那該號次的列車還有他相關的資訊那這個車子後他後續也有進到潮州基地進行檢測作業那照道理說這個列車運行的監視狀況應該要如實反映他的位置還有編號所以您怎麼看\n\n18\n00:06:09,391 --> 00:06:21,955\n剛剛看了這個影片之後因為我們目前沒有收到這一個案子的通報也沒有相關的資訊那是不是懇請委員可以讓我們回去我們再跟台鐵要相關的資料進行仔細的了解\n\n19\n00:06:22,695 --> 00:06:41,251\nOK請請院會務必要調查因為這個情況非常的嚴重那主委本席請教您您過去是有擔任民航機關的首長那對於飛行安全事故有高度的專業那還有經驗是飛安領域的專家因此本席想要請教主委那如果雷達上民航機突然出現\n\n20\n00:06:42,832 --> 00:07:05,674\n訊號消失這個問題是不是非常嚴重非常嚴重非常嚴重那我們剛才看到影片是不是同樣一樣這個這個我們同樣的情況要去關注他對那什麼時候院會什麼時候會介入調查什麼時候會向台鐵來做了解我們回去馬上做回去馬上做OK那預計他調查的時間要多長有點\n\n21\n00:07:08,762 --> 00:07:25,038\n包委員那我等一下回去立刻跟台鐵索取相關的資料那我們來研判整個就是事故的內容有沒有達到我們立案標準那不管有沒有立案調查我們都會針對這件事情做仔細的了解請再提供本席就是相關的調查資料沒有問題准辦\n\n22\n00:07:26,079 --> 00:07:53,679\n是那主委我們剛才看到這影片它就像飛機的擂台一樣它突然的消失了明明列車還在月台上面可是在它的監控畫面我們卻看不到相關的資訊所以請優安會務必要正視這個情形我們正視我們確實沒有錯如果沒有及時掌握的話這可能會危及乘客的安全對我們不希望發生事故有發生就是傷及民眾的人身安全還是就是生命財產安全危害到然後我們才來做調查\n\n23\n00:07:54,681 --> 00:07:56,568\nOK請院會要積極謝謝主委謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2010\t6161\t好謝謝主席主席請林主委好應安衛林主委\n10990\t22497\t主委好主委我們先來看到台鐵台鐵的部分那我們先來看到台鐵根據台鐵的資料那台鐵目前營運的它的軌道網路它的全長大概是1065公里那從110年的1億5493萬人次那逐年成長到113年的2億3707萬人次那它成長的幅度很可觀\n34725\t42410\t那我們先看到它全線總共有242座車站那現有的鐵路車輛有4709輛那其中它的牽引用的機車有245輛客車有2973輛貨車有1491輛那由此可見啊 台鐵是吳國基為重要的大眾運輸系統那本席就近期台鐵連續發生多起事故請教主委\n62742\t84464\t那我們來看到最近有發生無起吊車作業有關的意外事故那首先我們來看到113年12月19號在花蓮他花蓮幾乎斷發生洗車線出軌事件那同一天呢在潮州潮州的基地列車他衝撞他撞了子沖檔的事件那在今年的1月3號\n86294\t95084\t那E500型的自強號在歧獨吊車場他吊車的時候作業的時候發生出軌然後造成8個轉車器損毀那情況相當的嚴重8個轉車器都壓爛了那今年的2月11號呢\n102091\t131283\t也一樣是潮州集體他吊車的機車與PP自強號發生碰撞那我們看到2月18號在七堵吊車作業發生疏失同樣的他的轉換器都被列車壓爛了那主委台鐵在短短兩個月內發生五起重大吊車意外事故那可見他在吊車的安全作業管理上可能存在問題主委針對這些事故 醫院會有做調查嗎這七個案子都調查\n132967\t133623\t里面说的一点\n135327\t162806\tOK好沒問題委員好 跟委員報告吊車案件在我們的法規規定不是我們調查的範圍但是因為我們有發現到陳獨剛委員提到的他在短期之內發生的頻率過高所以我們在今年1月3號發生的七堵站這個出軌事故我們就使用這個霸王條款立案調查那也徹底利用這個案子針對於台鐵目前吊車的狀況包括他的規定管理等等那進行調查\n163326\t185436\t所以這五個事故案件中只有調查一件嗎目前就是以緝毒案這件調查那他目前調查進度公委員報告這個案子我們目前預計在今年的7月發布事實資料報告那會在明年的1月前發布最終調查報告我們用最短的時間把這個報告完成\n185953\t194971\tOK好謝謝您的說明那我們可以說我們可以看到那很顯然的台鐵在他的安全管理上面存在問題那這邊院會是不是要介入\n197110\t223680\t來調查針對這次台鐵他們在半年內發生這麼多起事故因為院安會只調查一件可是他卻很頻繁的那每次看到都是在在七堵然後同樣的是在潮州我們可以類似的案子我們可以去把他追出來然後一次告訴他說你這個類似案子這麼多就像電動車當時也是一樣就類似的一起調查這樣\n225060\t248453\t是可以這樣做是可以這樣做嗎那院會什麼時候會介入調查當然我們也會跟台磊溝通嘛我會一直關注他他就會有壓力是喔確實是這樣子好那另外請教主委一個問題那鐵道局在2月14號的時候他也針對冒進號車還有推行運轉推進運轉還有吊車吊車時未採取必要之防護措施喔還有\n249053\t269948\t同一避涉區間同時運轉兩列以上的列車的問題表示他會加強他的執法力度以強化運轉安全所以你認為鐵道局他這樣的這次他的加強執法作為足以改善台鐵他們在調度上面管理長期存在的問題嗎確實是有有一些問題你要不要請鐵道組組長來答一下\n273396\t299350\t有關於監理機關對於營運機構他所施予的這一些管理措施那原則上只要能夠改善這個鐵道安全那我們都樂觀其成那我們也尊重監理機關的做法本席認為國家運輸安全應該要主動的積極來協助各級政府他們還有機關他們機構並且幫助他們預防事故的發生那本席在這邊想要向主委反映一個具體的情況我們先來看到影片\n302179\t314023\t我們來看一下我們到站列車,那就是他現在位置然後等一下他到站之後,他的站列車會不會變幽靈列車我們看一下他會不會變幽靈列車,先來看\n318607\t333215\t都不見了一股、二股、三股、九股、一股還有車,還有車不見了,但他不知道車站沒了,然後他要去叫路到那個基地喔沒了,就這樣\n334505\t361916\t這是發生在一樣是台鐵潮州站那今年3月20號那畫面中我們可以很清楚的看到列車明明還在月台上可是他列車運行的狀況他的監視器的畫面卻沒有顯示那該號次的列車還有他相關的資訊那這個車子後他後續也有進到潮州基地進行檢測作業那照道理說這個列車運行的監視狀況應該要如實反映他的位置還有編號所以您怎麼看\n369391\t381955\t剛剛看了這個影片之後因為我們目前沒有收到這一個案子的通報也沒有相關的資訊那是不是懇請委員可以讓我們回去我們再跟台鐵要相關的資料進行仔細的了解\n382695\t401251\tOK請 請院會務必要調查因為這個情況非常的嚴重那主委本席請教您您過去是有擔任民航機關的首長那對於飛行安全事故有高度的專業那還有經驗是飛安領域的專家因此本席想要請教主委那如果雷達上民航機突然出現\n402832\t425674\t訊號消失這個問題是不是非常嚴重非常嚴重非常嚴重那我們剛才看到影片是不是同樣一樣這個這個我們同樣的情況要去關注他對那什麼時候院會什麼時候會介入調查什麼時候會向台鐵來做了解我們回去馬上做回去馬上做OK那預計他調查的時間要多長有點\n428762\t445038\t包委員那我等一下回去立刻跟台鐵索取相關的資料那我們來研判整個就是事故的內容有沒有達到我們立案標準那不管有沒有立案調查我們都會針對這件事情做仔細的了解請再提供本席就是相關的調查資料沒有問題准辦\n446079\t473679\t是 那主委我們剛才看到這影片 它就像飛機的擂台一樣 它突然的消失了明明列車還在月台上面 可是在它的監控畫面我們卻看不到相關的資訊所以請優安會務必要正視這個情形我們正視 我們確實沒有錯如果沒有及時掌握的話 這可能會危及乘客的安全對 我們不希望發生事故 有發生就是傷及民眾的人身安全還是就是生命財產安全危害到 然後我們才來做調查\n474681\t476568\tOK 請院會要積極謝謝主委 謝謝主席\n","txt":"好謝謝主席主席請林主委好應安衛林主委\n主委好主委我們先來看到台鐵台鐵的部分那我們先來看到台鐵根據台鐵的資料那台鐵目前營運的它的軌道網路它的全長大概是1065公里那從110年的1億5493萬人次那逐年成長到113年的2億3707萬人次那它成長的幅度很可觀\n那我們先看到它全線總共有242座車站那現有的鐵路車輛有4709輛那其中它的牽引用的機車有245輛客車有2973輛貨車有1491輛那由此可見啊 台鐵是吳國基為重要的大眾運輸系統那本席就近期台鐵連續發生多起事故請教主委\n那我們來看到最近有發生無起吊車作業有關的意外事故那首先我們來看到113年12月19號在花蓮他花蓮幾乎斷發生洗車線出軌事件那同一天呢在潮州潮州的基地列車他衝撞他撞了子沖檔的事件那在今年的1月3號\n那E500型的自強號在歧獨吊車場他吊車的時候作業的時候發生出軌然後造成8個轉車器損毀那情況相當的嚴重8個轉車器都壓爛了那今年的2月11號呢\n也一樣是潮州集體他吊車的機車與PP自強號發生碰撞那我們看到2月18號在七堵吊車作業發生疏失同樣的他的轉換器都被列車壓爛了那主委台鐵在短短兩個月內發生五起重大吊車意外事故那可見他在吊車的安全作業管理上可能存在問題主委針對這些事故 醫院會有做調查嗎這七個案子都調查\n里面说的一点\nOK好沒問題委員好 跟委員報告吊車案件在我們的法規規定不是我們調查的範圍但是因為我們有發現到陳獨剛委員提到的他在短期之內發生的頻率過高所以我們在今年1月3號發生的七堵站這個出軌事故我們就使用這個霸王條款立案調查那也徹底利用這個案子針對於台鐵目前吊車的狀況包括他的規定管理等等那進行調查\n所以這五個事故案件中只有調查一件嗎目前就是以緝毒案這件調查那他目前調查進度公委員報告這個案子我們目前預計在今年的7月發布事實資料報告那會在明年的1月前發布最終調查報告我們用最短的時間把這個報告完成\nOK好謝謝您的說明那我們可以說我們可以看到那很顯然的台鐵在他的安全管理上面存在問題那這邊院會是不是要介入\n來調查針對這次台鐵他們在半年內發生這麼多起事故因為院安會只調查一件可是他卻很頻繁的那每次看到都是在在七堵然後同樣的是在潮州我們可以類似的案子我們可以去把他追出來然後一次告訴他說你這個類似案子這麼多就像電動車當時也是一樣就類似的一起調查這樣\n是可以這樣做是可以這樣做嗎那院會什麼時候會介入調查當然我們也會跟台磊溝通嘛我會一直關注他他就會有壓力是喔確實是這樣子好那另外請教主委一個問題那鐵道局在2月14號的時候他也針對冒進號車還有推行運轉推進運轉還有吊車吊車時未採取必要之防護措施喔還有\n同一避涉區間同時運轉兩列以上的列車的問題表示他會加強他的執法力度以強化運轉安全所以你認為鐵道局他這樣的這次他的加強執法作為足以改善台鐵他們在調度上面管理長期存在的問題嗎確實是有有一些問題你要不要請鐵道組組長來答一下\n有關於監理機關對於營運機構他所施予的這一些管理措施那原則上只要能夠改善這個鐵道安全那我們都樂觀其成那我們也尊重監理機關的做法本席認為國家運輸安全應該要主動的積極來協助各級政府他們還有機關他們機構並且幫助他們預防事故的發生那本席在這邊想要向主委反映一個具體的情況我們先來看到影片\n我們來看一下我們到站列車,那就是他現在位置然後等一下他到站之後,他的站列車會不會變幽靈列車我們看一下他會不會變幽靈列車,先來看\n都不見了一股、二股、三股、九股、一股還有車,還有車不見了,但他不知道車站沒了,然後他要去叫路到那個基地喔沒了,就這樣\n這是發生在一樣是台鐵潮州站那今年3月20號那畫面中我們可以很清楚的看到列車明明還在月台上可是他列車運行的狀況他的監視器的畫面卻沒有顯示那該號次的列車還有他相關的資訊那這個車子後他後續也有進到潮州基地進行檢測作業那照道理說這個列車運行的監視狀況應該要如實反映他的位置還有編號所以您怎麼看\n剛剛看了這個影片之後因為我們目前沒有收到這一個案子的通報也沒有相關的資訊那是不是懇請委員可以讓我們回去我們再跟台鐵要相關的資料進行仔細的了解\nOK請 請院會務必要調查因為這個情況非常的嚴重那主委本席請教您您過去是有擔任民航機關的首長那對於飛行安全事故有高度的專業那還有經驗是飛安領域的專家因此本席想要請教主委那如果雷達上民航機突然出現\n訊號消失這個問題是不是非常嚴重非常嚴重非常嚴重那我們剛才看到影片是不是同樣一樣這個這個我們同樣的情況要去關注他對那什麼時候院會什麼時候會介入調查什麼時候會向台鐵來做了解我們回去馬上做回去馬上做OK那預計他調查的時間要多長有點\n包委員那我等一下回去立刻跟台鐵索取相關的資料那我們來研判整個就是事故的內容有沒有達到我們立案標準那不管有沒有立案調查我們都會針對這件事情做仔細的了解請再提供本席就是相關的調查資料沒有問題准辦\n是 那主委我們剛才看到這影片 它就像飛機的擂台一樣 它突然的消失了明明列車還在月台上面 可是在它的監控畫面我們卻看不到相關的資訊所以請優安會務必要正視這個情形我們正視 我們確實沒有錯如果沒有及時掌握的話 這可能會危及乘客的安全對 我們不希望發生事故 有發生就是傷及民眾的人身安全還是就是生命財產安全危害到 然後我們才來做調查\nOK 請院會要積極謝謝主委 謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.010 --> 00:06.161\n好謝謝主席主席請林主委好應安衛林主委\n\n00:10.990 --> 00:22.497\n主委好主委我們先來看到台鐵台鐵的部分那我們先來看到台鐵根據台鐵的資料那台鐵目前營運的它的軌道網路它的全長大概是1065公里那從110年的1億5493萬人次那逐年成長到113年的2億3707萬人次那它成長的幅度很可觀\n\n00:34.725 --> 00:42.410\n那我們先看到它全線總共有242座車站那現有的鐵路車輛有4709輛那其中它的牽引用的機車有245輛客車有2973輛貨車有1491輛那由此可見啊台鐵是吳國基為重要的大眾運輸系統那本席就近期台鐵連續發生多起事故請教主委\n\n01:02.742 --> 01:24.464\n那我們來看到最近有發生無起吊車作業有關的意外事故那首先我們來看到113年12月19號在花蓮他花蓮幾乎斷發生洗車線出軌事件那同一天呢在潮州潮州的基地列車他衝撞他撞了子沖檔的事件那在今年的1月3號\n\n01:26.294 --> 01:35.084\n那E500型的自強號在歧獨吊車場他吊車的時候作業的時候發生出軌然後造成8個轉車器損毀那情況相當的嚴重8個轉車器都壓爛了那今年的2月11號呢\n\n01:42.091 --> 02:11.283\n也一樣是潮州集體他吊車的機車與PP自強號發生碰撞那我們看到2月18號在七堵吊車作業發生疏失同樣的他的轉換器都被列車壓爛了那主委台鐵在短短兩個月內發生五起重大吊車意外事故那可見他在吊車的安全作業管理上可能存在問題主委針對這些事故醫院會有做調查嗎這七個案子都調查\n\n02:12.967 --> 02:13.623\n里面说的一点\n\n02:15.327 --> 02:42.806\nOK好沒問題委員好跟委員報告吊車案件在我們的法規規定不是我們調查的範圍但是因為我們有發現到陳獨剛委員提到的他在短期之內發生的頻率過高所以我們在今年1月3號發生的七堵站這個出軌事故我們就使用這個霸王條款立案調查那也徹底利用這個案子針對於台鐵目前吊車的狀況包括他的規定管理等等那進行調查\n\n02:43.326 --> 03:05.436\n所以這五個事故案件中只有調查一件嗎目前就是以緝毒案這件調查那他目前調查進度公委員報告這個案子我們目前預計在今年的7月發布事實資料報告那會在明年的1月前發布最終調查報告我們用最短的時間把這個報告完成\n\n03:05.953 --> 03:14.971\nOK好謝謝您的說明那我們可以說我們可以看到那很顯然的台鐵在他的安全管理上面存在問題那這邊院會是不是要介入\n\n03:17.110 --> 03:43.680\n來調查針對這次台鐵他們在半年內發生這麼多起事故因為院安會只調查一件可是他卻很頻繁的那每次看到都是在在七堵然後同樣的是在潮州我們可以類似的案子我們可以去把他追出來然後一次告訴他說你這個類似案子這麼多就像電動車當時也是一樣就類似的一起調查這樣\n\n03:45.060 --> 04:08.453\n是可以這樣做是可以這樣做嗎那院會什麼時候會介入調查當然我們也會跟台磊溝通嘛我會一直關注他他就會有壓力是喔確實是這樣子好那另外請教主委一個問題那鐵道局在2月14號的時候他也針對冒進號車還有推行運轉推進運轉還有吊車吊車時未採取必要之防護措施喔還有\n\n04:09.053 --> 04:29.948\n同一避涉區間同時運轉兩列以上的列車的問題表示他會加強他的執法力度以強化運轉安全所以你認為鐵道局他這樣的這次他的加強執法作為足以改善台鐵他們在調度上面管理長期存在的問題嗎確實是有有一些問題你要不要請鐵道組組長來答一下\n\n04:33.396 --> 04:59.350\n有關於監理機關對於營運機構他所施予的這一些管理措施那原則上只要能夠改善這個鐵道安全那我們都樂觀其成那我們也尊重監理機關的做法本席認為國家運輸安全應該要主動的積極來協助各級政府他們還有機關他們機構並且幫助他們預防事故的發生那本席在這邊想要向主委反映一個具體的情況我們先來看到影片\n\n05:02.179 --> 05:14.023\n我們來看一下我們到站列車,那就是他現在位置然後等一下他到站之後,他的站列車會不會變幽靈列車我們看一下他會不會變幽靈列車,先來看\n\n05:18.607 --> 05:33.215\n都不見了一股、二股、三股、九股、一股還有車,還有車不見了,但他不知道車站沒了,然後他要去叫路到那個基地喔沒了,就這樣\n\n05:34.505 --> 06:01.916\n這是發生在一樣是台鐵潮州站那今年3月20號那畫面中我們可以很清楚的看到列車明明還在月台上可是他列車運行的狀況他的監視器的畫面卻沒有顯示那該號次的列車還有他相關的資訊那這個車子後他後續也有進到潮州基地進行檢測作業那照道理說這個列車運行的監視狀況應該要如實反映他的位置還有編號所以您怎麼看\n\n06:09.391 --> 06:21.955\n剛剛看了這個影片之後因為我們目前沒有收到這一個案子的通報也沒有相關的資訊那是不是懇請委員可以讓我們回去我們再跟台鐵要相關的資料進行仔細的了解\n\n06:22.695 --> 06:41.251\nOK請請院會務必要調查因為這個情況非常的嚴重那主委本席請教您您過去是有擔任民航機關的首長那對於飛行安全事故有高度的專業那還有經驗是飛安領域的專家因此本席想要請教主委那如果雷達上民航機突然出現\n\n06:42.832 --> 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