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00:02:51,056\n碳碎的碳廢的一個國家的一個衝擊等於說我們必須要公平正義啦這些事情都是比較專業比較新所以我希望在多方面的一些教育上面都可以呈現出來那我剛剛有看到你這個報告裡面在第10頁的部分說我們結合大專院校要開放淨零真人的課程\n\n9\n00:02:51,656 --> 00:03:12,057\n那預計可以培養大概3500人次以上那我當然就原住民的立場來說我希望在按照人口比例我們這個至少要有70到100人受到訓練所以這個部分有做規劃嗎好這個部分我們有跟原住民委員會來談他們也表達高度的意願細節我們是不是主任\n\n10\n00:03:12,958 --> 00:03:31,970\n我們已經跟原民會討論過兩次包括這個禮拜一原民會都表達強烈的意願他們會推派一些原住民的代表來參加我們課程我希望這個訓練人才裡面會有至少70名原住民的學生或者是說所謂的這個領域裡面來受到訓練\n\n11\n00:03:35,212 --> 00:03:50,324\n我們是希望未來可以有一個原住民的專班特別針對原住民的事業特別來做一些訓練這個還要原民會的同意這是美國加徵關稅公總有六項建議大概我來念一下第一項就是說\n\n12\n00:03:51,084 --> 00:04:06,716\n申請簡化、變名這些放寬紓困第二個就是我們產業各類別來做政策第三個就是對美的採購團工種能夠協助擴大對美的採購降低台美貿易逆差這些一共有六項建議你看過了嗎\n\n13\n00:04:09,228 --> 00:04:29,902\n我收到了碳費他們希望能夠延到2027我有收到這個訊息是嗎?對OK那剛才我們的幾個委員有提到我們現在台東的那個東海岸的所謂的我們的風力發電那剛才王議員說現在五十幾座其實不是啊是27公里裡面它要建33個風力發電那其實\n\n14\n00:04:33,564 --> 00:04:51,600\n如果你去過那裡你會發現其實它的陸地其實是非常少的大部分就是海然後陸地一點點然後就開始就是我們居民生活的地方所以其實如果就它風力發電那個基座可能距離部落可能只有不到500公尺的距離所以我在想這個部分以後\n\n15\n00:04:52,220 --> 00:05:19,750\n部長你在做看到環境影響評估的時候其實就對這個部分應該要很大的一個去肯定說它對我們原住民的傳統領域這個部分是不是有很多方面的影響因為我們都希望說有山影嘛中央跟地方影嘛然後我們地區的民眾影可是如果說它的負面確實是高於它未來這個山影的局面的時候你的考量其實是應該是很重要的所以我希望聽到你對這方面的一些見解\n\n16\n00:05:20,626 --> 00:05:43,764\nOK好謝謝委員因為風機在2009年開始有一個環皮的限制是250公尺半徑然後後來到2023年大概到500公尺可是之前現在的影響例如說在彰化雲林有一些居民的抱怨都是當時很早時候沒有相關法令定下來的的確產生很大的問題那目前呢也跟委員報告為什麼我要主動說因為其實\n\n17\n00:05:44,664 --> 00:06:04,516\n最近有很多的這種陸域風電他來我們部內申請環評其實委員都給他們高度的審核的一個標準特別是說提醒他們注意不大能夠過啦所以我就提醒他們如果要來申請那就要更加嚴更做更多的溝通才有辦法過那500公尺是一個基本的門檻\n\n18\n00:06:05,316 --> 00:06:29,415\n是所以就其實就以後要設置之前我希望你能夠過去看一下甚至參加泰馬里或者是大武達人這方面的一些部落一些所謂的溝通的一個會議或者說至少是縣政府曾經所辦的這些我希望能夠主動參加吳博文委員因為他是屬於他準備要籌劃要蓋他連報告都還沒送到我們那邊所以我們也不知道好那我只是\n\n19\n00:06:29,955 --> 00:06:59,161\n因為我在這邊要轉達我們在地部落的一些聲音然後剛才有提到我們獅子國中所謂的瀝青場距離獅子國中只有500公尺不到的一個距離那剛才聽到王一鳴委員講到說有一個什麼什麼新風專案就是可以有排氣的這些系統希望這個工廠可能不太可能說離開這個學校嘛那是不是就學校的一個設置或者是說它一個排湊的這個通風系統能不能也加進來不是只有獨厚我們竹水溪縣的\n\n20\n00:07:01,083 --> 00:07:17,105\n其實我們這個要源頭管理所以他現在我們所掌握的是他的製程裡面的確是讓這個臭氣排出來所以我們希望說因為他但是他一個月只有工作兩天所以我們要等到那個天知道他然後教育他來做改變這個只要他解決後面的問題就解決了\n\n21\n00:07:17,125 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其實不是啊是27公里裡面它要建33個風力發電那其實\n273564\t291600\t如果你去過那裡你會發現其實它的陸地其實是非常少的大部分就是海然後陸地一點點然後就開始就是我們居民生活的地方所以其實如果就它風力發電那個基座可能距離部落可能只有不到500公尺的距離所以我在想這個部分以後\n292220\t319750\t部長 你在做看到環境影響評估的時候其實就對這個部分應該要很大的一個去肯定說它對我們原住民的傳統領域這個部分是不是有很多方面的影響因為我們都希望說有山影嘛中央跟地方影嘛然後我們地區的民眾影可是如果說它的負面確實是高於它未來這個山影的局面的時候你的考量其實是應該是很重要的所以我希望聽到你對這方面的一些見解\n320626\t343764\tOK好謝謝委員因為風機在2009年開始有一個環皮的限制是250公尺半徑然後後來到2023年大概到500公尺可是之前現在的影響例如說在彰化雲林有一些居民的抱怨都是當時很早時候沒有相關法令定下來的的確產生很大的問題那目前呢也跟委員報告為什麼我要主動說因為其實\n344664\t364516\t最近有很多的這種陸域風電他來我們部內申請環評其實委員都給他們高度的審核的一個標準特別是說提醒他們注意不大能夠過啦所以我就提醒他們如果要來申請那就要更加嚴更做更多的溝通才有辦法過那500公尺是一個基本的門檻\n365316\t389415\t是 所以就其實就以後要設置之前我希望你能夠過去看一下甚至參加泰馬里或者是大武達人這方面的一些部落一些所謂的溝通的一個會議或者說至少是縣政府曾經所辦的這些我希望能夠主動參加吳博文委員因為他是屬於他準備要籌劃要蓋他連報告都還沒送到我們那邊所以我們也不知道好 那我只是\n389955\t419161\t因為我在這邊要轉達我們在地部落的一些聲音然後剛才有提到我們獅子國中所謂的瀝青場距離獅子國中只有500公尺不到的一個距離那剛才聽到王一鳴委員講到說有一個什麼什麼新風專案就是可以有排氣的這些系統希望這個工廠可能不太可能說離開這個學校嘛那是不是就學校的一個設置或者是說它一個排湊的這個通風系統能不能也加進來不是只有獨厚我們竹水溪縣的\n421083\t437105\t其實我們這個要源頭管理所以他現在我們所掌握的是他的製程裡面的確是讓這個臭氣排出來所以我們希望說因為他但是他一個月只有工作兩天所以我們要等到那個天知道他然後教育他來做改變這個只要他解決後面的問題就解決了\n437125\t458650\t所以常常有環保單位去監測的時候就測不到就像我之前提到的那個法灣就是距離那個畜牧產業非常近其實我上個禮拜有去馬家鄉再做一次鄉鎮座談他們又再次提到我們法灣也就是我們排灣族發源地的這個村莊呢它距離那個養雞養豬場實在是太近了可是我們\n459170\t485593\t一而再再而上的去講這個事情可是只要是環保單位去查其實就查不到任何意味可是生活在那邊的人每天晚上或者是來固定時間就會產生這樣子的一個問題然後或者是看到一大片的就是蒼蠅圍在他們的餐桌所以這個部分我是覺得部長你雖然去過了可是我是覺得還是要有個時間表至少讓民眾知道說環境部有在努力政府有在努力讓居民生活能夠安心可以嗎\n486873\t500238\t報告委員上次看到那個養豬場其實我們也給他們很大的道德勸說你一定要做不做的話我們會加鹽查核所以我們認為是源頭要管理是最重要的如果源頭專利做得好這個問題就不見了我還是希望環境部有時間表謝謝\n","txt":"就針對美國關稅的問題,先提出幾個問題請問部長,你知道川普為什麼要退出巴黎氣候協定嗎?\n因為美國在共和黨跟民主黨他們對於這個氣候變遷的看法一直都是不大一樣的那他大概是從美國共和黨傳統的這種所謂的化石燃料派不相信氣候變遷這樣延伸出來的\n那我大概翻了一下資料大概川普的想法就是說可能就即便是你已經投入了這麼多金額他的預期效益沒有達到那也就是說剛剛我們看這個圖表就是說拜登政府他投入了大概1.6兆\n結果呢他的那個目標只有下降0.2%那也就是說當然就川普來講他上任以後他在2017年就提過一次現在再度上任的時候他當然就還要發揮他以前的想法就是說他即便美國付出這麼多對氣候的貢獻其實沒有他們想像中那麼好那就回頭來看我們\n我們的NDC就是說自定貢獻每5年要更換就是說更新那我想知道說2035年我們燃煤大概9%那我們的Gas的燃氣要54%這個部分你的看法是怎麼樣你覺得可以達到嗎這個是目前這個是由能源經濟部門能源署在做規劃的那我們當然對他們是有信心\nOK那我想知道說我們現在的所謂的carbon border也就是說我們的碳邊境這邊這邊你是說大概我們116年2月這個部分會開始做然後我們的台版會出來那我們台版是什麼時候會出現\n我們希望是未來這幾個月因為主要是針對重點的產業那這個也要跟經濟部一起合作那50噸的這個豁免的這個量是怎麼定出來的這個就是第一個我們要觀察這個歐盟他大概是夏天的時候七八月的時候他應該會把它細節出來我們希望能夠擴大他的豁免門檻你希望到什麼什麼樣的程度基本上至少要讓我們本地的鋼鐵業或是水泥不要受到這個從其他地方進來沒有碳\n碳碎的碳廢的一個國家的一個衝擊等於說我們必須要公平正義啦這些事情都是比較專業比較新所以我希望在多方面的一些教育上面都可以呈現出來那我剛剛有看到你這個報告裡面在第10頁的部分說我們結合大專院校要開放淨零真人的課程\n那預計可以培養大概3500人次以上那我當然就原住民的立場來說我希望在按照人口比例我們這個至少要有70到100人受到訓練所以這個部分有做規劃嗎好 這個部分我們有跟原住民委員會來談他們也表達高度的意願細節我們是不是主任\n我們已經跟原民會討論過兩次包括這個禮拜一原民會都表達強烈的意願他們會推派一些原住民的代表來參加我們課程我希望這個訓練人才裡面會有至少70名原住民的學生或者是說所謂的這個領域裡面來受到訓練\n我們是希望未來可以有一個原住民的專班特別針對原住民的事業特別來做一些訓練這個還要原民會的同意這是美國加徵關稅公總有六項建議大概我來念一下第一項就是說\n申請簡化、變名這些放寬紓困第二個就是我們產業各類別來做政策第三個就是對美的採購團工種能夠協助擴大對美的採購降低台美貿易逆差這些一共有六項建議你看過了嗎\n我收到了 碳費他們希望能夠延到2027我有收到這個訊息是嗎?對OK那剛才我們的幾個委員有提到我們現在台東的那個東海岸的所謂的我們的風力發電那剛才王議員說現在五十幾座 其實不是啊是27公里裡面它要建33個風力發電那其實\n如果你去過那裡你會發現其實它的陸地其實是非常少的大部分就是海然後陸地一點點然後就開始就是我們居民生活的地方所以其實如果就它風力發電那個基座可能距離部落可能只有不到500公尺的距離所以我在想這個部分以後\n部長 你在做看到環境影響評估的時候其實就對這個部分應該要很大的一個去肯定說它對我們原住民的傳統領域這個部分是不是有很多方面的影響因為我們都希望說有山影嘛中央跟地方影嘛然後我們地區的民眾影可是如果說它的負面確實是高於它未來這個山影的局面的時候你的考量其實是應該是很重要的所以我希望聽到你對這方面的一些見解\nOK好謝謝委員因為風機在2009年開始有一個環皮的限制是250公尺半徑然後後來到2023年大概到500公尺可是之前現在的影響例如說在彰化雲林有一些居民的抱怨都是當時很早時候沒有相關法令定下來的的確產生很大的問題那目前呢也跟委員報告為什麼我要主動說因為其實\n最近有很多的這種陸域風電他來我們部內申請環評其實委員都給他們高度的審核的一個標準特別是說提醒他們注意不大能夠過啦所以我就提醒他們如果要來申請那就要更加嚴更做更多的溝通才有辦法過那500公尺是一個基本的門檻\n是 所以就其實就以後要設置之前我希望你能夠過去看一下甚至參加泰馬里或者是大武達人這方面的一些部落一些所謂的溝通的一個會議或者說至少是縣政府曾經所辦的這些我希望能夠主動參加吳博文委員因為他是屬於他準備要籌劃要蓋他連報告都還沒送到我們那邊所以我們也不知道好 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