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00:01:41,724\n不斷的在諮商這個我們也會配合來辦理那這次比較特別的是要經過立法院院會通過才能夠解凍這個程序跟過去周國委員會就可以完成是又不太一樣所以我想行政院一定有通盤的考量\n\n6\n00:01:42,659 --> 00:02:01,566\n我想這個紛紛擾擾,現在是已經捆腰四天現在全國人都認為說,我們為什麼一直沒有解凍然後呢,全國現在行政院沒有錢可以去執行在各縣市裡面或是各個預算裡面這個就是一個誤導四天\n\n7\n00:02:03,487 --> 00:02:21,892\n那有關於預算的解凍原因各有不同解凍條件也難以自分很多只要提交書面報告就可以解凍了但幾乎沒有解凍的難度如果不會真的在等前為什麼沒有提出書面的報告\n\n8\n00:02:22,614 --> 00:02:35,904\n是因為解凍報告寫不出來嗎那另外就是執政黨一直抱怨預算遭到預算害得部會無法做事那但是各部會自己不送不送解凍案是不是表示\n\n9\n00:02:36,525 --> 00:02:59,219\n其遭解凍案的前確實沒有急迫性基本是了解行政院或主席總署下令各部會暫時不准提解凍案外交部有沒有受到這個命令我想應該是行政院主委院長下的命令吧那你來說明一下好不好\n\n10\n00:03:01,321 --> 00:03:21,674\n我們外交部針對凍結案都在進行準備當中因為這次要大院通過才能夠解凍因為大院對應的就是行政院所以我們外交部也是會配合來辦理那如果說我想一個另外的方法如果委員能夠讓他交回來到\n\n11\n00:03:23,855 --> 00:03:40,709\n從大院交回到委員會我想這個事情就更單純了一點我想部長你有難言之處啦我當然知道好不好那因為行政院或組織總署是不是打算用解凍案當作大版面的工具然後故意押案這是不是\n\n12\n00:03:42,030 --> 00:03:57,062\n產生了一個堵值所以這個是我要提醒我們這個部長那你盡快送來因為零一個案子都沒有送來那所以這個就是比較有一點特別的一個狀況那另外就是\n\n13\n00:03:58,878 --> 00:04:23,337\n為被美國列入的關稅優先的談判談判國那部長本希在4月10號安排外交部和相關部會報告美國開啟這個全球關稅戰的議題當時各部會曾經在曾經在90天內緩衝洗和掛上號的洗頁中但是沒想到之後美國財長列出的第一波\n\n14\n00:04:23,977 --> 00:04:39,137\n談判的名單並沒有台灣更讓本席感到嚴重的是首波條件談判的五個國家中不但沒有我國反而包含我國貿易的重要競爭對手\n\n15\n00:04:41,260 --> 00:05:07,013\n韓國和日本那請問部長在外交部是否就此向美國交涉向美國表達不應該無視台灣在全球貿易中的重要性提出台灣印在美國談判優先名單的訴求那部長你認為我們要不要爭取來做一個優先的名單當中你來說明一下\n\n16\n00:05:08,735 --> 00:05:32,927\n報告委員我們已經在優先名單而且同步平行在展開台美的談判這個是所謂外傳我們不在優先名單這有出路我們跟美國的包括貿易代表署也已經建立了管道就具體的項目已經在諮商\n\n17\n00:05:33,607 --> 00:05:39,832\n那因為這個一下子美國要面對這麼多國家怎麼進行包括除了視訊以外實體的談判這個都需要安排包括時間、地點以及這個談判項目的優先順序那任委員報告是我們應該是會診已經很聚焦有這個幾類的議題然後哪些項目雙方面我想包括賴總統在\n\n18\n00:06:02,970 --> 00:06:13,592\n不管他透過這個錄影的方式或是投稿國際的媒體也展現了我們的所謂台美的這個經貿關係的路徑圖那那個路徑圖的項目很明確比如說有不管是五大項目那這裡面包括關稅的談判以外\n\n19\n00:06:25,915 --> 00:06:48,531\n還包括非關稅貿易障礙投資採購或者是出口管制也就是息產地的問題這些都已經有對應啊已經整理出議題清單今天為什麼提出這個五國當中我們並沒有台灣這是一個數據也是一個事實那是列舉啦應該是我們是在優先名單第一波的名單已經展開了\n\n20\n00:06:49,352 --> 00:07:17,092\n台美以4月11號先行進行的視訊的會議那可能在視訊會議中不是貿易的談判這個不要混淆視聽本席特別期待我會應該在優先貿易談判的名單中原因有兩個第一個90天的暫緩時間並不多貿易談判本身也需要時間若無法被\n\n21\n00:07:18,593 --> 00:07:39,350\n被放人優先名單很可能遇到戰時期台灣還上不了台辦桌所以這個問題我想我們一定要重視因為有關於台灣是一個重要的一個貿易貿易國家所以這個就是我們請部長要用心\n\n22\n00:07:42,011 --> 00:08:04,786\n第三個是我們南非代表處遭到侵出的南非首都本席去年就一直關心南非住管的處境並且多次質詢相關的狀況雖然在外交部的同仁努力之下我駐南非代表處仍然在\n\n23\n00:08:05,916 --> 00:08:20,616\n普勒托利亞正常的運作在南非政府推動我牽掛及降級的立場乃非常堅持向南非提出的協商要求也沒有獲得具體的回應\n\n24\n00:08:21,978 --> 00:08:38,194\n表示危機並沒有解除,本席整理了事件的始末。第一,2023年12月,南非國際關係合作部口頭要求我國駐南非代表處遷出首都佛羅托利亞。\n\n25\n00:08:40,416 --> 00:08:56,703\n第二,2024的4月南非正式發出結列要求我國駐南非代表處在半年內簽字耶漢尼斯堡第三,2024的10月我國駐南非代表處舉辦的國慶酒會當中南非再次以電郵寄送結列要求10月30日\n\n26\n00:09:09,328 --> 00:09:28,004\n且完成搬遷並威脅若不搬遷將關閉這代表處那2025的1月南非政府再度致函我駐南非代表處要求在3月底以前搬離布拉多利亞並試圖將代表處降級為更名為貿易辦事處2025的3月南非媒體報導3月底完成台北辦事處的\n\n27\n00:09:37,952 --> 00:10:03,140\n簽署這更名2025的3月25號那我國外交部向南非提出協商的要求包含建議實地人員組織以協議簽署方式細節等待南非政府的回應2025年的3月31號南非要求頒獻的最後的期限我駐非駐南非代表處來維持政黨運作但非洲\n\n28\n00:10:06,901 --> 00:10:24,198\n這個南非政府對於協商要求的並沒有回應所以請問部長現在已經事業下旬了對於協商的南非政府有回應了沒有那當然根據部長之答詢的內容如果真的被迫簽這個簽管或降級\n\n29\n00:10:24,998 --> 00:10:52,706\n外交部能採取的措施包含一強力的抗議二要求南非駐台辦事處遷出台北三嚴審南非人士簽證的申請四暫停雙邊合作及貿易的反制那我想這個措施對於南非政府能不能產生反制的效用呢那部長你來回答一下\n\n30\n00:10:53,427 --> 00:11:15,939\n我們基於對等跟互惠的原則因為外交行為嘛我們有我們的國家的立場他們也有他們國家的立場所以在這個情形之下我們都準備好應處的方案可是我們希望還是能夠據理力爭目前到已經是4月21號他們並沒有強\n\n31\n00:11:19,421 --> 00:11:43,866\n自的要我們簽管那這個時候我們當然知道他們也有一些考量比如說他們如果是一個法治國家那這個管財產是台灣的那怎麼迫使我們簽呢可是我們在應變的方案當然對於我們管務人員的安全或領悟怎麼去進行我們都有一些沙盤推演的對策這個就是我們這個\n\n32\n00:11:46,643 --> 00:12:11,410\n要危機處理的一個準備啦那現在的情形是他們的內部政府也正在進行重新的檢視到底能不能這樣子違反法律或契約然後也違背了國際的輿論甚至他的現在的聯合政府啊他們裡面的這個政黨也有公開反對的國會議員也是\n\n33\n00:12:13,931 --> 00:12:43,517\n部長這個就是要提示部長因為既然你剛提的不管是陳俊宇委員所提的他是一個法治的國家但是對國際的信守承諾也應該遵行所以對台灣來講的話非常的重要因為我們台灣很多的華僑都在南非我們要保障他們在南非不管是從事經貿任何的事務應該是要保障他們在南非的我想\n\n34\n00:12:46,799 --> 00:12:57,065\n請主席再給我一分鐘另外剛剛我看到在業務報告裡面的應用外交主流化務實擴展\n\n35\n00:13:00,848 --> 00:13:22,290\n這個十億的外交我想我針對原住民的外交的MGO中心我想你有什麼樣的目前這個推動進展跟未來你來說明一下是總和外交我特別強調包括原住民外交但也包括MGO的外交因為我們外交處境很特別原住民是我們台灣很大的資產\n\n36\n00:13:23,211 --> 00:13:50,683\n特別跟南島語系的國家我想在賴總統上次的這個太平洋三個友邦還有訪問跟過境美國就可以看到那這個原住民的方面我們除了有無論所大使有兩位有這樣的背景以外我們也加強在各種的文化經濟還有國際組織上面的互動跟合作當然我也很期待有更多的原住民大使\n\n37\n00:13:51,743 --> 00:14:09,609\n我們這個也是很激起希望能夠有這樣的人才既然部長針對這個原民外交的MGO的推動我想這個賴總統已經任命有兩個原住民無認所的大使那我想下一次的外交業務報告裡面我也想請這個兩位\n\n38\n00:14:11,850 --> 00:14:30,362\n吳任所的外交大使也請他列席我想問問他他未來短期中期長期的推動的外交事務包含南東以西的這樣的一個南太平洋北太平洋的這樣的一個怎麼樣做的連結來做一個報告一下好不好\n\n39\n00:14:30,962 --> 00:14:45,520\n好我跟委員說明一下這個上週紐西蘭有七位國會議員來訪問就有原住民的國會議員那真的是他們很關心這個原住民的外交另外甚至加拿大\n\n40\n00:14:46,201 --> 00:15:07,196\n他們也都有很多原住民的政策而且這已經不是只以一般的交流包括經濟文化權利的保障很多制度啊政策可以相互來交流跟學習所以委員提到兩位無認所大使他們各有負責的這個領域當然我們要看要也讓我們的國內國人知道就是說目前這個\n\n41\n00:15:08,357 --> 00:15:31,271\n原民外交的一些推動的政策而且我們在外交的樹裡面現在每況愈下那我們希望說能夠提振提升更能夠擴展一下我們的國際事業好不好是那我也建議委員因為包括原民會啦還有幾個相關的部會如果能夠一併來做一個整體的對原住民外交的檢視我們就可以有更多能夠促成我們一併邀請好不好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n69\t369\t部長好 委員好\n11004\t37127\t那個關於預算的解凍,我今天講的比較務實一點我想114年的年度預算,外交部的預算凍結案有幾個案子目前已經送了幾個案子,幾個解凍的來到立法院那現在已經四月下旬了那以往這個時候外交部不會有解凍案\n38108\t65188\t送來立法院尋求解凍了但今年很特別到目前還是零案是什麼樣的原因有沒有任何朝野立法委員組織外交部送解凍案來立法院我想應該都不會我想部長你來回答這個問題好不好關於解凍的案到現在為什麼目前來講還是零案\n67575\t82192\t報告委員一方面是當然行政院或主計總署他在會診各部會的這個解凍案那因為這個相關的這個總數怎麼認定這涉及到大院跟這個行政院之間經過我想\n85436\t101724\t不斷的在諮商這個我們也會配合來辦理那這次比較特別的是要經過立法院院會通過才能夠解凍這個程序跟過去周國委員會就可以完成是又不太一樣所以我想行政院一定有通盤的考量\n102659\t121566\t我想這個紛紛擾擾,現在是已經捆腰四天現在全國人都認為說,我們為什麼一直沒有解凍然後呢,全國現在行政院沒有錢可以去執行在各縣市裡面或是各個預算裡面這個就是一個誤導四天\n123487\t141892\t那有關於預算的解凍原因各有不同解凍條件也難以自分很多只要提交書面報告就可以解凍了但幾乎沒有解凍的難度如果不會真的在等前為什麼沒有提出書面的報告\n142614\t155904\t是因為解凍報告寫不出來嗎那另外就是執政黨一直抱怨預算遭到預算害得部會無法做事那但是各部會自己不送不送解凍案是不是表示\n156525\t179219\t其遭解凍案的前確實沒有急迫性基本是了解行政院或主席總署下令各部會暫時不准提解凍案外交部有沒有受到這個命令我想應該是行政院主委院長下的命令吧那你來說明一下好不好\n181321\t201674\t我們外交部針對凍結案都在進行準備當中因為這次要大院通過才能夠解凍因為大院對應的就是行政院所以我們外交部也是會配合來辦理那如果說我想一個另外的方法如果委員能夠讓他交回來到\n203855\t220709\t從大院交回到委員會我想這個事情就更單純了一點我想部長你有難言之處啦我當然知道好不好那因為行政院或組織總署是不是打算用解凍案當作大版面的工具然後故意押案這是不是\n222030\t237062\t產生了一個堵值所以這個是我要提醒我們這個部長那你盡快送來因為零一個案子都沒有送來那所以這個就是比較有一點特別的一個狀況那另外就是\n238878\t263337\t為被美國列入的關稅優先的談判談判國那部長本希在4月10號安排外交部和相關部會報告美國開啟這個全球關稅戰的議題當時各部會曾經在曾經在90天內緩衝洗和掛上號的洗頁中但是沒想到之後美國財長列出的第一波\n263977\t279137\t談判的名單並沒有台灣更讓本席感到嚴重的是首波條件談判的五個國家中不但沒有我國反而包含我國貿易的重要競爭對手\n281260\t307013\t韓國和日本那請問部長在外交部是否就此向美國交涉向美國表達不應該無視台灣在全球貿易中的重要性提出台灣印在美國談判優先名單的訴求那部長你認為我們要不要爭取來做一個優先的名單當中你來說明一下\n308735\t332927\t報告委員我們已經在優先名單而且同步平行在展開台美的談判這個是所謂外傳我們不在優先名單這有出路我們跟美國的包括貿易代表署也已經建立了管道就具體的項目已經在諮商\n333607\t339832\t那因為這個一下子美國要面對這麼多國家怎麼進行包括除了視訊以外實體的談判這個都需要安排包括時間、地點以及這個談判項目的優先順序那任委員報告是我們應該是會診已經很聚焦有這個幾類的議題然後哪些項目雙方面我想包括賴總統在\n362970\t373592\t不管他透過這個錄影的方式或是投稿國際的媒體也展現了我們的所謂台美的這個經貿關係的路徑圖那那個路徑圖的項目很明確比如說有不管是五大項目那這裡面包括關稅的談判以外\n385915\t408531\t還包括非關稅貿易障礙投資採購或者是出口管制也就是息產地的問題這些都已經有對應啊已經整理出議題清單今天為什麼提出這個五國當中我們並沒有台灣這是一個數據也是一個事實那是列舉啦應該是我們是在優先名單第一波的名單已經展開了\n409352\t437092\t台美以4月11號先行進行的視訊的會議那可能在視訊會議中不是貿易的談判這個不要混淆視聽本席特別期待我會應該在優先貿易談判的名單中原因有兩個第一個90天的暫緩時間並不多貿易談判本身也需要時間若無法被\n438593\t459350\t被放人優先名單很可能遇到戰時期台灣還上不了台辦桌所以這個問題我想我們一定要重視因為有關於台灣是一個重要的一個貿易貿易國家所以這個就是我們請部長要用心\n462011\t484786\t第三個是我們南非代表處遭到侵出的南非首都本席去年就一直關心南非住管的處境並且多次質詢相關的狀況雖然在外交部的同仁努力之下我駐南非代表處仍然在\n485916\t500616\t普勒托利亞正常的運作在南非政府推動我牽掛及降級的立場乃非常堅持向南非提出的協商要求也沒有獲得具體的回應\n501978\t518194\t表示危機並沒有解除,本席整理了事件的始末。第一,2023年12月,南非國際關係合作部口頭要求我國駐南非代表處遷出首都佛羅托利亞。\n520416\t536703\t第二,2024的4月南非正式發出結列要求我國駐南非代表處在半年內簽字耶漢尼斯堡第三,2024的10月我國駐南非代表處舉辦的國慶酒會當中南非再次以電郵寄送結列要求10月30日\n549328\t568004\t且完成搬遷並威脅若不搬遷將關閉這代表處那2025的1月南非政府再度致函我駐南非代表處要求在3月底以前搬離布拉多利亞並試圖將代表處降級為更名為貿易辦事處2025的3月南非媒體報導3月底完成台北辦事處的\n577952\t603140\t簽署這更名2025的3月25號那我國外交部向南非提出協商的要求包含建議實地人員組織以協議簽署方式細節等待南非政府的回應2025年的3月31號南非要求頒獻的最後的期限我駐非駐南非代表處來維持政黨運作但非洲\n606901\t624198\t這個南非政府對於協商要求的並沒有回應所以請問部長現在已經事業下旬了對於協商的南非政府有回應了沒有那當然根據部長之答詢的內容如果真的被迫簽這個簽管或降級\n624998\t652706\t外交部能採取的措施包含一 強力的抗議二 要求南非駐台辦事處遷出台北三 嚴審南非人士簽證的申請四 暫停雙邊合作及貿易的反制那我想這個措施對於南非政府能不能產生反制的效用呢那部長你來回答一下\n653427\t675939\t我們基於對等跟互惠的原則因為外交行為嘛 我們有我們的國家的立場他們也有他們國家的立場所以在這個情形之下 我們都準備好應處的方案可是我們希望還是能夠據理力爭目前到已經是4月21號 他們並沒有強\n679421\t703866\t自的要我們簽管那這個時候我們當然知道他們也有一些考量比如說他們如果是一個法治國家那這個管財產是台灣的那怎麼迫使我們簽呢可是我們在應變的方案當然對於我們管務人員的安全或領悟怎麼去進行我們都有一些沙盤推演的對策這個就是我們這個\n706643\t731410\t要危機處理的一個準備啦那現在的情形是他們的內部政府也正在進行重新的檢視到底能不能這樣子違反法律或契約然後也違背了國際的輿論甚至他的現在的聯合政府啊他們裡面的這個政黨也有公開反對的國會議員也是\n733931\t763517\t部長這個就是要提示部長因為既然你剛提的不管是陳俊宇委員所提的他是一個法治的國家但是對國際的信守承諾也應該遵行所以對台灣來講的話非常的重要因為我們台灣很多的華僑都在南非我們要保障他們在南非不管是從事經貿任何的事務應該是要保障他們在南非的我想\n766799\t777065\t請主席再給我一分鐘另外剛剛我看到在業務報告裡面的應用外交主流化務實擴展\n780848\t802290\t這個十億的外交我想我針對原住民的外交的MGO中心我想你有什麼樣的目前這個推動進展跟未來你來說明一下是總和外交我特別強調包括原住民外交但也包括MGO的外交因為我們外交處境很特別原住民是我們台灣很大的資產\n803211\t830683\t特別跟南島語系的國家我想在賴總統上次的這個太平洋三個友邦還有訪問跟過境美國就可以看到那這個原住民的方面我們除了有無論所大使有兩位有這樣的背景以外我們也加強在各種的文化經濟還有國際組織上面的互動跟合作當然我也很期待有更多的原住民大使\n831743\t849609\t我們這個也是很激起希望能夠有這樣的人才既然部長針對這個原民外交的MGO的推動我想這個賴總統已經任命有兩個原住民無認所的大使那我想下一次的外交業務報告裡面我也想請這個兩位\n851850\t870362\t吳任所的外交大使也請他列席我想問問他他未來短期中期長期的推動的外交事務包含南東以西的這樣的一個南太平洋北太平洋的這樣的一個怎麼樣做的連結來做一個報告一下好不好\n870962\t885520\t好 我跟委員說明一下這個上週紐西蘭有七位國會議員來訪問就有原住民的國會議員那真的是他們很關心這個原住民的外交另外甚至加拿大\n886201\t907196\t他們也都有很多原住民的政策而且這已經不是只以一般的交流包括經濟文化權利的保障很多制度啊政策可以相互來交流跟學習所以委員提到兩位無認所大使他們各有負責的這個領域當然我們要看要也讓我們的國內國人知道就是說目前這個\n908357\t931271\t原民外交的一些推動的政策而且我們在外交的樹裡面現在每況愈下那我們希望說能夠提振提升更能夠擴展一下我們的國際事業好不好是 那我也建議委員因為包括原民會啦還有幾個相關的部會如果能夠一併來做一個整體的對原住民外交的檢視我們就可以有更多能夠促成我們一併邀請好不好謝謝\n","txt":"部長好 委員好\n那個關於預算的解凍,我今天講的比較務實一點我想114年的年度預算,外交部的預算凍結案有幾個案子目前已經送了幾個案子,幾個解凍的來到立法院那現在已經四月下旬了那以往這個時候外交部不會有解凍案\n送來立法院尋求解凍了但今年很特別到目前還是零案是什麼樣的原因有沒有任何朝野立法委員組織外交部送解凍案來立法院我想應該都不會我想部長你來回答這個問題好不好關於解凍的案到現在為什麼目前來講還是零案\n報告委員一方面是當然行政院或主計總署他在會診各部會的這個解凍案那因為這個相關的這個總數怎麼認定這涉及到大院跟這個行政院之間經過我想\n不斷的在諮商這個我們也會配合來辦理那這次比較特別的是要經過立法院院會通過才能夠解凍這個程序跟過去周國委員會就可以完成是又不太一樣所以我想行政院一定有通盤的考量\n我想這個紛紛擾擾,現在是已經捆腰四天現在全國人都認為說,我們為什麼一直沒有解凍然後呢,全國現在行政院沒有錢可以去執行在各縣市裡面或是各個預算裡面這個就是一個誤導四天\n那有關於預算的解凍原因各有不同解凍條件也難以自分很多只要提交書面報告就可以解凍了但幾乎沒有解凍的難度如果不會真的在等前為什麼沒有提出書面的報告\n是因為解凍報告寫不出來嗎那另外就是執政黨一直抱怨預算遭到預算害得部會無法做事那但是各部會自己不送不送解凍案是不是表示\n其遭解凍案的前確實沒有急迫性基本是了解行政院或主席總署下令各部會暫時不准提解凍案外交部有沒有受到這個命令我想應該是行政院主委院長下的命令吧那你來說明一下好不好\n我們外交部針對凍結案都在進行準備當中因為這次要大院通過才能夠解凍因為大院對應的就是行政院所以我們外交部也是會配合來辦理那如果說我想一個另外的方法如果委員能夠讓他交回來到\n從大院交回到委員會我想這個事情就更單純了一點我想部長你有難言之處啦我當然知道好不好那因為行政院或組織總署是不是打算用解凍案當作大版面的工具然後故意押案這是不是\n產生了一個堵值所以這個是我要提醒我們這個部長那你盡快送來因為零一個案子都沒有送來那所以這個就是比較有一點特別的一個狀況那另外就是\n為被美國列入的關稅優先的談判談判國那部長本希在4月10號安排外交部和相關部會報告美國開啟這個全球關稅戰的議題當時各部會曾經在曾經在90天內緩衝洗和掛上號的洗頁中但是沒想到之後美國財長列出的第一波\n談判的名單並沒有台灣更讓本席感到嚴重的是首波條件談判的五個國家中不但沒有我國反而包含我國貿易的重要競爭對手\n韓國和日本那請問部長在外交部是否就此向美國交涉向美國表達不應該無視台灣在全球貿易中的重要性提出台灣印在美國談判優先名單的訴求那部長你認為我們要不要爭取來做一個優先的名單當中你來說明一下\n報告委員我們已經在優先名單而且同步平行在展開台美的談判這個是所謂外傳我們不在優先名單這有出路我們跟美國的包括貿易代表署也已經建立了管道就具體的項目已經在諮商\n那因為這個一下子美國要面對這麼多國家怎麼進行包括除了視訊以外實體的談判這個都需要安排包括時間、地點以及這個談判項目的優先順序那任委員報告是我們應該是會診已經很聚焦有這個幾類的議題然後哪些項目雙方面我想包括賴總統在\n不管他透過這個錄影的方式或是投稿國際的媒體也展現了我們的所謂台美的這個經貿關係的路徑圖那那個路徑圖的項目很明確比如說有不管是五大項目那這裡面包括關稅的談判以外\n還包括非關稅貿易障礙投資採購或者是出口管制也就是息產地的問題這些都已經有對應啊已經整理出議題清單今天為什麼提出這個五國當中我們並沒有台灣這是一個數據也是一個事實那是列舉啦應該是我們是在優先名單第一波的名單已經展開了\n台美以4月11號先行進行的視訊的會議那可能在視訊會議中不是貿易的談判這個不要混淆視聽本席特別期待我會應該在優先貿易談判的名單中原因有兩個第一個90天的暫緩時間並不多貿易談判本身也需要時間若無法被\n被放人優先名單很可能遇到戰時期台灣還上不了台辦桌所以這個問題我想我們一定要重視因為有關於台灣是一個重要的一個貿易貿易國家所以這個就是我們請部長要用心\n第三個是我們南非代表處遭到侵出的南非首都本席去年就一直關心南非住管的處境並且多次質詢相關的狀況雖然在外交部的同仁努力之下我駐南非代表處仍然在\n普勒托利亞正常的運作在南非政府推動我牽掛及降級的立場乃非常堅持向南非提出的協商要求也沒有獲得具體的回應\n表示危機並沒有解除,本席整理了事件的始末。第一,2023年12月,南非國際關係合作部口頭要求我國駐南非代表處遷出首都佛羅托利亞。\n第二,2024的4月南非正式發出結列要求我國駐南非代表處在半年內簽字耶漢尼斯堡第三,2024的10月我國駐南非代表處舉辦的國慶酒會當中南非再次以電郵寄送結列要求10月30日\n且完成搬遷並威脅若不搬遷將關閉這代表處那2025的1月南非政府再度致函我駐南非代表處要求在3月底以前搬離布拉多利亞並試圖將代表處降級為更名為貿易辦事處2025的3月南非媒體報導3月底完成台北辦事處的\n簽署這更名2025的3月25號那我國外交部向南非提出協商的要求包含建議實地人員組織以協議簽署方式細節等待南非政府的回應2025年的3月31號南非要求頒獻的最後的期限我駐非駐南非代表處來維持政黨運作但非洲\n這個南非政府對於協商要求的並沒有回應所以請問部長現在已經事業下旬了對於協商的南非政府有回應了沒有那當然根據部長之答詢的內容如果真的被迫簽這個簽管或降級\n外交部能採取的措施包含一 強力的抗議二 要求南非駐台辦事處遷出台北三 嚴審南非人士簽證的申請四 暫停雙邊合作及貿易的反制那我想這個措施對於南非政府能不能產生反制的效用呢那部長你來回答一下\n我們基於對等跟互惠的原則因為外交行為嘛 我們有我們的國家的立場他們也有他們國家的立場所以在這個情形之下 我們都準備好應處的方案可是我們希望還是能夠據理力爭目前到已經是4月21號 他們並沒有強\n自的要我們簽管那這個時候我們當然知道他們也有一些考量比如說他們如果是一個法治國家那這個管財產是台灣的那怎麼迫使我們簽呢可是我們在應變的方案當然對於我們管務人員的安全或領悟怎麼去進行我們都有一些沙盤推演的對策這個就是我們這個\n要危機處理的一個準備啦那現在的情形是他們的內部政府也正在進行重新的檢視到底能不能這樣子違反法律或契約然後也違背了國際的輿論甚至他的現在的聯合政府啊他們裡面的這個政黨也有公開反對的國會議員也是\n部長這個就是要提示部長因為既然你剛提的不管是陳俊宇委員所提的他是一個法治的國家但是對國際的信守承諾也應該遵行所以對台灣來講的話非常的重要因為我們台灣很多的華僑都在南非我們要保障他們在南非不管是從事經貿任何的事務應該是要保障他們在南非的我想\n請主席再給我一分鐘另外剛剛我看到在業務報告裡面的應用外交主流化務實擴展\n這個十億的外交我想我針對原住民的外交的MGO中心我想你有什麼樣的目前這個推動進展跟未來你來說明一下是總和外交我特別強調包括原住民外交但也包括MGO的外交因為我們外交處境很特別原住民是我們台灣很大的資產\n特別跟南島語系的國家我想在賴總統上次的這個太平洋三個友邦還有訪問跟過境美國就可以看到那這個原住民的方面我們除了有無論所大使有兩位有這樣的背景以外我們也加強在各種的文化經濟還有國際組織上面的互動跟合作當然我也很期待有更多的原住民大使\n我們這個也是很激起希望能夠有這樣的人才既然部長針對這個原民外交的MGO的推動我想這個賴總統已經任命有兩個原住民無認所的大使那我想下一次的外交業務報告裡面我也想請這個兩位\n吳任所的外交大使也請他列席我想問問他他未來短期中期長期的推動的外交事務包含南東以西的這樣的一個南太平洋北太平洋的這樣的一個怎麼樣做的連結來做一個報告一下好不好\n好 我跟委員說明一下這個上週紐西蘭有七位國會議員來訪問就有原住民的國會議員那真的是他們很關心這個原住民的外交另外甚至加拿大\n他們也都有很多原住民的政策而且這已經不是只以一般的交流包括經濟文化權利的保障很多制度啊政策可以相互來交流跟學習所以委員提到兩位無認所大使他們各有負責的這個領域當然我們要看要也讓我們的國內國人知道就是說目前這個\n原民外交的一些推動的政策而且我們在外交的樹裡面現在每況愈下那我們希望說能夠提振提升更能夠擴展一下我們的國際事業好不好是 那我也建議委員因為包括原民會啦還有幾個相關的部會如果能夠一併來做一個整體的對原住民外交的檢視我們就可以有更多能夠促成我們一併邀請好不好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.069 --> 00:00.369\n部長好委員好\n\n00:11.004 --> 00:37.127\n那個關於預算的解凍,我今天講的比較務實一點我想114年的年度預算,外交部的預算凍結案有幾個案子目前已經送了幾個案子,幾個解凍的來到立法院那現在已經四月下旬了那以往這個時候外交部不會有解凍案\n\n00:38.108 --> 01:05.188\n送來立法院尋求解凍了但今年很特別到目前還是零案是什麼樣的原因有沒有任何朝野立法委員組織外交部送解凍案來立法院我想應該都不會我想部長你來回答這個問題好不好關於解凍的案到現在為什麼目前來講還是零案\n\n01:07.575 --> 01:22.192\n報告委員一方面是當然行政院或主計總署他在會診各部會的這個解凍案那因為這個相關的這個總數怎麼認定這涉及到大院跟這個行政院之間經過我想\n\n01:25.436 --> 01:41.724\n不斷的在諮商這個我們也會配合來辦理那這次比較特別的是要經過立法院院會通過才能夠解凍這個程序跟過去周國委員會就可以完成是又不太一樣所以我想行政院一定有通盤的考量\n\n01:42.659 --> 02:01.566\n我想這個紛紛擾擾,現在是已經捆腰四天現在全國人都認為說,我們為什麼一直沒有解凍然後呢,全國現在行政院沒有錢可以去執行在各縣市裡面或是各個預算裡面這個就是一個誤導四天\n\n02:03.487 --> 02:21.892\n那有關於預算的解凍原因各有不同解凍條件也難以自分很多只要提交書面報告就可以解凍了但幾乎沒有解凍的難度如果不會真的在等前為什麼沒有提出書面的報告\n\n02:22.614 --> 02:35.904\n是因為解凍報告寫不出來嗎那另外就是執政黨一直抱怨預算遭到預算害得部會無法做事那但是各部會自己不送不送解凍案是不是表示\n\n02:36.525 --> 02:59.219\n其遭解凍案的前確實沒有急迫性基本是了解行政院或主席總署下令各部會暫時不准提解凍案外交部有沒有受到這個命令我想應該是行政院主委院長下的命令吧那你來說明一下好不好\n\n03:01.321 --> 03:21.674\n我們外交部針對凍結案都在進行準備當中因為這次要大院通過才能夠解凍因為大院對應的就是行政院所以我們外交部也是會配合來辦理那如果說我想一個另外的方法如果委員能夠讓他交回來到\n\n03:23.855 --> 03:40.709\n從大院交回到委員會我想這個事情就更單純了一點我想部長你有難言之處啦我當然知道好不好那因為行政院或組織總署是不是打算用解凍案當作大版面的工具然後故意押案這是不是\n\n03:42.030 --> 03:57.062\n產生了一個堵值所以這個是我要提醒我們這個部長那你盡快送來因為零一個案子都沒有送來那所以這個就是比較有一點特別的一個狀況那另外就是\n\n03:58.878 --> 04:23.337\n為被美國列入的關稅優先的談判談判國那部長本希在4月10號安排外交部和相關部會報告美國開啟這個全球關稅戰的議題當時各部會曾經在曾經在90天內緩衝洗和掛上號的洗頁中但是沒想到之後美國財長列出的第一波\n\n04:23.977 --> 04:39.137\n談判的名單並沒有台灣更讓本席感到嚴重的是首波條件談判的五個國家中不但沒有我國反而包含我國貿易的重要競爭對手\n\n04:41.260 --> 05:07.013\n韓國和日本那請問部長在外交部是否就此向美國交涉向美國表達不應該無視台灣在全球貿易中的重要性提出台灣印在美國談判優先名單的訴求那部長你認為我們要不要爭取來做一個優先的名單當中你來說明一下\n\n05:08.735 --> 05:32.927\n報告委員我們已經在優先名單而且同步平行在展開台美的談判這個是所謂外傳我們不在優先名單這有出路我們跟美國的包括貿易代表署也已經建立了管道就具體的項目已經在諮商\n\n05:33.607 --> 05:39.832\n那因為這個一下子美國要面對這麼多國家怎麼進行包括除了視訊以外實體的談判這個都需要安排包括時間、地點以及這個談判項目的優先順序那任委員報告是我們應該是會診已經很聚焦有這個幾類的議題然後哪些項目雙方面我想包括賴總統在\n\n06:02.970 --> 06:13.592\n不管他透過這個錄影的方式或是投稿國際的媒體也展現了我們的所謂台美的這個經貿關係的路徑圖那那個路徑圖的項目很明確比如說有不管是五大項目那這裡面包括關稅的談判以外\n\n06:25.915 --> 06:48.531\n還包括非關稅貿易障礙投資採購或者是出口管制也就是息產地的問題這些都已經有對應啊已經整理出議題清單今天為什麼提出這個五國當中我們並沒有台灣這是一個數據也是一個事實那是列舉啦應該是我們是在優先名單第一波的名單已經展開了\n\n06:49.352 --> 07:17.092\n台美以4月11號先行進行的視訊的會議那可能在視訊會議中不是貿易的談判這個不要混淆視聽本席特別期待我會應該在優先貿易談判的名單中原因有兩個第一個90天的暫緩時間並不多貿易談判本身也需要時間若無法被\n\n07:18.593 --> 07:39.350\n被放人優先名單很可能遇到戰時期台灣還上不了台辦桌所以這個問題我想我們一定要重視因為有關於台灣是一個重要的一個貿易貿易國家所以這個就是我們請部長要用心\n\n07:42.011 --> 08:04.786\n第三個是我們南非代表處遭到侵出的南非首都本席去年就一直關心南非住管的處境並且多次質詢相關的狀況雖然在外交部的同仁努力之下我駐南非代表處仍然在\n\n08:05.916 --> 08:20.616\n普勒托利亞正常的運作在南非政府推動我牽掛及降級的立場乃非常堅持向南非提出的協商要求也沒有獲得具體的回應\n\n08:21.978 --> 08:38.194\n表示危機並沒有解除,本席整理了事件的始末。第一,2023年12月,南非國際關係合作部口頭要求我國駐南非代表處遷出首都佛羅托利亞。\n\n08:40.416 --> 08:56.703\n第二,2024的4月南非正式發出結列要求我國駐南非代表處在半年內簽字耶漢尼斯堡第三,2024的10月我國駐南非代表處舉辦的國慶酒會當中南非再次以電郵寄送結列要求10月30日\n\n09:09.328 --> 09:28.004\n且完成搬遷並威脅若不搬遷將關閉這代表處那2025的1月南非政府再度致函我駐南非代表處要求在3月底以前搬離布拉多利亞並試圖將代表處降級為更名為貿易辦事處2025的3月南非媒體報導3月底完成台北辦事處的\n\n09:37.952 --> 10:03.140\n簽署這更名2025的3月25號那我國外交部向南非提出協商的要求包含建議實地人員組織以協議簽署方式細節等待南非政府的回應2025年的3月31號南非要求頒獻的最後的期限我駐非駐南非代表處來維持政黨運作但非洲\n\n10:06.901 --> 10:24.198\n這個南非政府對於協商要求的並沒有回應所以請問部長現在已經事業下旬了對於協商的南非政府有回應了沒有那當然根據部長之答詢的內容如果真的被迫簽這個簽管或降級\n\n10:24.998 --> 10:52.706\n外交部能採取的措施包含一強力的抗議二要求南非駐台辦事處遷出台北三嚴審南非人士簽證的申請四暫停雙邊合作及貿易的反制那我想這個措施對於南非政府能不能產生反制的效用呢那部長你來回答一下\n\n10:53.427 --> 11:15.939\n我們基於對等跟互惠的原則因為外交行為嘛我們有我們的國家的立場他們也有他們國家的立場所以在這個情形之下我們都準備好應處的方案可是我們希望還是能夠據理力爭目前到已經是4月21號他們並沒有強\n\n11:19.421 --> 11:43.866\n自的要我們簽管那這個時候我們當然知道他們也有一些考量比如說他們如果是一個法治國家那這個管財產是台灣的那怎麼迫使我們簽呢可是我們在應變的方案當然對於我們管務人員的安全或領悟怎麼去進行我們都有一些沙盤推演的對策這個就是我們這個\n\n11:46.643 --> 12:11.410\n要危機處理的一個準備啦那現在的情形是他們的內部政府也正在進行重新的檢視到底能不能這樣子違反法律或契約然後也違背了國際的輿論甚至他的現在的聯合政府啊他們裡面的這個政黨也有公開反對的國會議員也是\n\n12:13.931 --> 12:43.517\n部長這個就是要提示部長因為既然你剛提的不管是陳俊宇委員所提的他是一個法治的國家但是對國際的信守承諾也應該遵行所以對台灣來講的話非常的重要因為我們台灣很多的華僑都在南非我們要保障他們在南非不管是從事經貿任何的事務應該是要保障他們在南非的我想\n\n12:46.799 --> 12:57.065\n請主席再給我一分鐘另外剛剛我看到在業務報告裡面的應用外交主流化務實擴展\n\n13:00.848 --> 13:22.290\n這個十億的外交我想我針對原住民的外交的MGO中心我想你有什麼樣的目前這個推動進展跟未來你來說明一下是總和外交我特別強調包括原住民外交但也包括MGO的外交因為我們外交處境很特別原住民是我們台灣很大的資產\n\n13:23.211 --> 13:50.683\n特別跟南島語系的國家我想在賴總統上次的這個太平洋三個友邦還有訪問跟過境美國就可以看到那這個原住民的方面我們除了有無論所大使有兩位有這樣的背景以外我們也加強在各種的文化經濟還有國際組織上面的互動跟合作當然我也很期待有更多的原住民大使\n\n13:51.743 --> 14:09.609\n我們這個也是很激起希望能夠有這樣的人才既然部長針對這個原民外交的MGO的推動我想這個賴總統已經任命有兩個原住民無認所的大使那我想下一次的外交業務報告裡面我也想請這個兩位\n\n14:11.850 --> 14:30.362\n吳任所的外交大使也請他列席我想問問他他未來短期中期長期的推動的外交事務包含南東以西的這樣的一個南太平洋北太平洋的這樣的一個怎麼樣做的連結來做一個報告一下好不好\n\n14:30.962 --> 14:45.520\n好我跟委員說明一下這個上週紐西蘭有七位國會議員來訪問就有原住民的國會議員那真的是他們很關心這個原住民的外交另外甚至加拿大\n\n14:46.201 --> 15:07.196\n他們也都有很多原住民的政策而且這已經不是只以一般的交流包括經濟文化權利的保障很多制度啊政策可以相互來交流跟學習所以委員提到兩位無認所大使他們各有負責的這個領域當然我們要看要也讓我們的國內國人知道就是說目前這個\n\n15:08.357 --> 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