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00:00:40,011\n部長好委員長部長剛才其實有幾位委員有提到關稅的部分那我想要請教一下現在的進度特別是日美之間已經有一些談判的一些進度出現那當然根據一些媒體有提到說日本他可能是在北國全球上面的談判中可以視為一個典範但是當然日方不見得是所有人都這麼認為特別是只要是談判特別是在這種狀況之下他可能有得有捨\n\n3\n00:00:40,751 --> 00:01:01,831\n那這樣的狀況包含一些農作物可能必須要有一些讓步會衝擊到他們的農業也好汽車業也好那我們可以從中得到什麼樣的資訊情報以及從中得到什麼樣的經驗讓我們在跟美方談判的時候能夠更加的有餘裕這是第一個部分第二個就是日方怎麼樣應對中國\n\n4\n00:01:03,132 --> 00:01:22,704\n我為什麼要特別講因為中國商務部有各種的這種非常戰狼式的這種反擊對美方的反擊甚至是對美方的盟友甚至都要見縫插針對此我們有什麼樣反制或者做好相應的準備嗎那委員說明確實我們也密切關注美日之間的關稅談判\n\n5\n00:01:24,685 --> 00:01:49,010\n那因為他們有直接的邦交關係嘛那有包括甚至我想川普就可以這個在他們在比較工作階層談判的場合他也後來也參加這確實是特殊的風格我們也密切關注那因為每日之間因為涉及到這個關稅貿易以外其實他們有一個很大的問題農產品的問題是汽車\n\n6\n00:01:53,152 --> 00:02:10,421\n這個產業對好像日本影響非常的大這個然後另外就是他們的所謂的安保就是說軍費的分攤的問題這個也是另外一個比較特別因為他們有這個日美安保的這個協定嘛那在台灣方面我們很密切的關注尤其包括\n\n7\n00:02:11,041 --> 00:02:40,056\n因為我們沒有汽車這樣一個這麼關鍵性到可以可能這個涉及到這個就是日本的一個整個產業的一個發展那另外一個就是他們日方的談判策略跟結果我們也密切關注因為雖然我們也同步展開了跟美國的談判可是我想川普是把日本當作一個示範要讓各國來看所以我們也密切的關注\n\n8\n00:02:41,057 --> 00:02:45,350\n謝謝部長那我還是強調一下就是說我們跟日方的關係也是很緊密的\n\n9\n00:02:45,885 --> 00:03:11,190\n那在這個談判的節奏上面我們可以從中觀察到那常常會節奏上面可能還是以美方為主導的節奏那所以我是希望說在在美國的我們的辦事處也好那加強對日方的聯繫那從中汲取一些經驗那快速的去反映這未來的談判都是會有加分的那特別要觀察就是說日方怎麼去應對中國的壓力因為\n\n10\n00:03:11,930 --> 00:03:36,524\n從日方的這個反應也可以成為我們未來的一些各種情境上面的演習所以我們是在第一批但同時第一批裡面的首先的最重要的日本可能已經給我們很好的一些經驗的或者是一些我們可以效法的一些做法那我們還是都要警惕一下因為看起來這還是會蓋成他們的一些衝擊剛才你提到的一些農業也好他們的這個汽車產業也好\n\n11\n00:03:39,385 --> 00:03:44,849\n從中看到他們的節奏是什麼我跟委員補充一點我們在先前談台美21世紀貿易倡議的時候針對第二階段包括農產品、工業、環境還有一些涉及到的項目我們已經剛好有這個準備\n\n12\n00:03:59,620 --> 00:04:13,910\n那這關鍵就是說我們的衝擊跟整個怎麼樣去配套對國內可能的影響所以相對來講我相信我們的準備工作是應該做得比較完整麻煩部長也要全力的來守護我們特別是我們是來自嘉義農業縣\n\n13\n00:04:15,111 --> 00:04:34,649\n那對我方的這個農業必須要它的衝擊要把它降到最低這是我希望外交部來去協助的那再來第二個部分就是剛才你提到這個安全保障還有軍費分擔等等那根據華府智庫的統計CSIS他說美國目前全球的造船廠只有0.13%\n\n14\n00:04:36,531 --> 00:04:54,114\n那是落後中國南韓那中國是53%那南韓是29%日本是13%那甚至美方的這個造船的產能是落後於台灣大概是0.29%那我的意思是說剛才我們提到各項的這一個跟外交談判的時候\n\n15\n00:04:54,995 --> 00:05:13,830\n對我方跟對對方都能夠雙贏的是什麼我認為就是安全領域上面在造船領域上面我們現在台灣的造船有很多優勢譬如以高雄為核心的這個國艦國造的產業聚落包含台船中心等等都有那我們的實機是有公務船海巡軍艦特種的作業船都有\n\n16\n00:05:14,691 --> 00:05:39,121\n我想請教部長外交部針對台美造船業的合作立場是什麼有沒有辦法來協助不管是海委會或者是其他相關的這些部門來去跟AIT來去就相關部門直接來接觸不管是維修共享維修產線共享設計健行或者是來確保我們印太區能夠保有量能的這種可能性想請部長來回應一下\n\n17\n00:05:39,841 --> 00:06:01,166\n是確實我想因為川普總統上任之後就成立了造船的辦公室在直屬總統母之下他也跟韓國那時候這個尹錫悅總統第一個議題談的就是造船業因為對於中國造船業已經不只是在商用甚至在軍事上幾乎是\n\n18\n00:06:02,492 --> 00:06:22,485\n快要壟斷了整個國際的市場所以他也對於他的所謂的停港費有中國造船的都刻意甚至是一百萬一百五十萬美金的這個稅那這個就是希望另外一方面要加強美國跟他的友邦的造船業這個就是台灣因為這幾年國建國造還有我們的造船產業也發展起來\n\n19\n00:06:28,149 --> 00:06:30,871\n所以這個部分除了自用之外我們跟美國現在有一個經濟繁榮夥伴對話在去年我們續約了第二屆就是新的五年裡面我們就提出針對運輸安全相關的項目那我們也會把造船業放進來這不只是配合美國的政策我們也希望在這個造船產業利用這一波的機會\n\n20\n00:06:50,565 --> 00:07:08,852\n讓台灣可以輸出到國際包括尤其是第一島鏈我想面對中國的整個青老除了軍艦以外包括海警船包括很多其他的西藏他們灰色地帶的這個青老非常的嚴重所以很多的這個我們海巡署用的這個\n\n21\n00:07:14,154 --> 00:07:39,203\n船艦這個快艇都是我們現在優先要發展國造以外也希望能夠輸出那跟美國能夠有合作在國際上市場也能夠佔有一個一定的地位謝謝部長那這也是符合美方跟我們的共同利益那我們剛才提到說安全的共享安全的這個確保其實這就是一個方向那我還是希望台美能夠透過制度性的合作\n\n22\n00:07:40,043 --> 00:08:07,452\n然後來去融入他們區域的造船體系那其實不管是在造船的船體本身或者是它的相關產業鏈特別是我國的通訊產業等等那這些產業聚落我們都有那我希望更加主動的來去談那部長我不知道你還記不記得我們在之前我在質詢經濟部長的時候我有特別提到說有美方的智庫有把這一個川普把關稅的公式的錯漏之處把它指出來\n\n23\n00:08:10,035 --> 00:08:29,523\n那你不覺得這個智庫對我國非常友善嗎智庫因為有時候當然我們都很重視啦基本上我們跟美國的智庫的交往非常的平凡那這個部分他們所發表的專業的研究我們也都會參考所以我覺得智庫外交對台灣來說是無關\n\n24\n00:08:32,044 --> 00:08:53,460\n不是這無關這個政黨的它是智庫外交是對台灣來講是重中之重因為你沒有辦法去推測說哪一個智庫會在什麼時候會對我們提出最關鍵的協助像上次傳統基金會就是提出很關鍵的協助對我國來講對我們關稅台灣來講都非常重要這是無關黨派的\n\n25\n00:08:54,100 --> 00:09:18,968\n這是對台灣有最大利益的我們希望外交部能夠加強協助在台灣的各個智庫然後對美方的這些智庫之間的關係那當然我們的駐美辦事處跟這些智庫都長年以來都有很深厚的關係我們也是希望能夠持續來去加強那當然我還是想要請教外交部是不是有沒有考慮把這個包含外交學院與你基金會啊國科會教育部等等\n\n26\n00:09:19,648 --> 00:09:39,235\n建立這些美國的一些研究學人你知道各個智庫他們都有研究學人來到我們台的這些駐點研究機制這是長期之間的人才培育無關黨派不管是共和黨還是民主黨不管是比較親共和黨還是民主黨的智庫都可以來台灣來跟我們有長期的關聯\n\n27\n00:09:39,935 --> 00:09:56,280\n那這樣的關係建立之後在關鍵的時候特別是在關稅的時候他們就能夠指出對台灣有利有益的論述好各位說明除了美處啦密切積極跟這個在美國的智庫有很多的交流合作\n\n28\n00:09:57,801 --> 00:10:13,255\n舉辦活動以外我們事實上也很多邀請那當然有一些計畫專案性的委託或者是說他以這個學人獎學金的方式進行那我們也尊重他們的學術的自主另外就是說我們的玉山論壇凱達克拉\n\n29\n00:10:15,156 --> 00:10:30,170\n論壇的人常常也都會邀請說也有一些他們的成果的展現那在關鍵時刻我們也是透過這些智庫進行所謂惡鬼外交甚至1.5鬼到1鬼都可以透過智庫做平台那在駐台灣像美國的IRINDI\n\n30\n00:10:34,353 --> 00:10:54,703\n還有這個NED啦還有這些就是不管共和民主的不同政黨他們成立的這些智庫還有包括民主基金會我們更是有對應的這個台灣的民主基金會所以這個智庫是非常頻繁現在已經不只美國跟歐洲啊特別這方面的交流現在非常的蓬勃發展\n\n31\n00:10:56,023 --> 00:11:11,082\n謝謝部長我特別強調過去我在智庫服務的時候那我的一些部署或者是實習生有的在日本大使館工作他是日本人有的在印尼的總統府工作那後來他們都有跟我國在駐地的辦事處有很深的連結\n\n32\n00:11:11,803 --> 00:11:29,157\n我現在是鼓勵我們駐館包括日本的我們的代表處積極的透過東京啊除了連結日本相關的智庫以外也連結其他國家住在東京他們不管是大使館或者是這一些智庫相關的一些代表\n\n33\n00:11:32,430 --> 00:11:54,175\n我可以再問最後一題嗎最後一點其實就快速回應就好安全許可的機制這個部分我們剛剛有提到這麼多的事情裡面最重要的就是人但如果人他沒有做過背景查核的話我們不知道他代表誰甚至是他背後的能量是在會不會來去導引他做出傷害國家利益的事情\n\n34\n00:11:54,955 --> 00:12:12,963\n那在美國國務院有外交安全局外交安全局裡面是專門處理接觸機密人員的資格審查那我當然知道說我們現在未來要配合行政院等等這樣的說法我有聽到那我也知道說院長也有提到相關的這個未來的一個方向但是\n\n35\n00:12:13,959 --> 00:12:36,557\n我是希望說評估的範圍他能夠從國家的忠誠財務到犯罪、民、刑事都要特別是民事也必須要包含在那有沒有可能外交部主動來去承擔一下在行政院跨部會議把你們的這個方向指引來跟行政院來分享來做一個主導特別是在外交部本身部內\n\n36\n00:12:37,665 --> 00:13:04,413\n是外交人員除了經過國家考試我們其實尤其是在派外的時候都有很進一步的安全查核至於說幕僚人員這一波涉及到的就是機要有任用或者其他約聘那也必須建立更完整的制度而且要加以落實所以我們藉由這個一些發生的事件我們有在積極的檢討\n\n37\n00:13:07,034 --> 00:13:28,268\n也是希望在制度面更加的能夠來做一些完整的規範我講這個的原因是因為你講到農幫或者是經貿外交經貿談判那就涉及我國的重大利益這個就是非常機密的事情所以我才想說安全核可被檢查這個部分來好好研究一下\n\n38\n00:13:29,369 --> 00:13:55,791\n美國的話在聯邦的單位是由國防部的反情報安全局來去執行95%的這個背景查核那當然國防部說這個是調查局的工作那國安局的話是有國安局自己內部的所以其實現在每個部門都還有一些不同的查核機制那我是希望說部長你們可以自己來做部內的檢討看什麼樣的機制最符合外交部特別跟機貿相關的謝謝部長謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n90\t191\t我們請部長\n11294\t40011\t部長好 委員長部長剛才其實有幾位委員有提到關稅的部分那我想要請教一下現在的進度特別是日美之間已經有一些談判的一些進度出現那當然根據一些媒體有提到說日本他可能是在北國全球上面的談判中可以視為一個典範但是當然日方不見得是所有人都這麼認為特別是只要是談判特別是在這種狀況之下他可能有得有捨\n40751\t61831\t那這樣的狀況包含一些農作物可能必須要有一些讓步會衝擊到他們的農業也好汽車業也好那我們可以從中得到什麼樣的資訊情報以及從中得到什麼樣的經驗讓我們在跟美方談判的時候能夠更加的有餘裕這是第一個部分第二個就是日方怎麼樣應對中國\n63132\t82704\t我為什麼要特別講因為中國商務部有各種的這種非常戰狼式的這種反擊對美方的反擊甚至是對美方的盟友甚至都要見縫插針對此我們有什麼樣反制或者做好相應的準備嗎那委員說明確實我們也密切關注美日之間的關稅談判\n84685\t109010\t那因為他們有直接的邦交關係嘛那有包括甚至我想川普就可以這個在他們在比較工作階層談判的場合他也後來也參加這確實是特殊的風格我們也密切關注那因為每日之間因為涉及到這個關稅貿易以外其實他們有一個很大的問題農產品的問題是汽車\n113152\t130421\t這個產業對好像日本影響非常的大這個然後另外就是他們的所謂的安保就是說軍費的分攤的問題這個也是另外一個比較特別因為他們有這個日美安保的這個協定嘛那在台灣方面我們很密切的關注尤其包括\n131041\t160056\t因為我們沒有汽車這樣一個這麼關鍵性到可以可能這個涉及到這個就是日本的一個整個產業的一個發展那另外一個就是他們日方的談判策略跟結果我們也密切關注因為雖然我們也同步展開了跟美國的談判可是我想川普是把日本當作一個示範要讓各國來看所以我們也密切的關注\n161057\t165350\t謝謝部長那我還是強調一下就是說我們跟日方的關係也是很緊密的\n165885\t191190\t那在這個談判的節奏上面我們可以從中觀察到那常常會節奏上面可能還是以美方為主導的節奏那所以我是希望說在在美國的我們的辦事處也好那加強對日方的聯繫那從中汲取一些經驗那快速的去反映這未來的談判都是會有加分的那特別要觀察就是說日方怎麼去應對中國的壓力因為\n191930\t216524\t從日方的這個反應也可以成為我們未來的一些各種情境上面的演習所以我們是在第一批但同時第一批裡面的首先的最重要的日本可能已經給我們很好的一些經驗的或者是一些我們可以效法的一些做法那我們還是都要警惕一下因為看起來這還是會蓋成他們的一些衝擊剛才你提到的一些農業也好他們的這個汽車產業也好\n219385\t224849\t從中看到他們的節奏是什麼我跟委員補充一點我們在先前談台美21世紀貿易倡議的時候針對第二階段包括農產品、工業、環境還有一些涉及到的項目我們已經剛好有這個準備\n239620\t253910\t那這關鍵就是說我們的衝擊跟整個怎麼樣去配套對國內可能的影響所以相對來講我相信我們的準備工作是應該做得比較完整麻煩部長也要全力的來守護我們特別是我們是來自嘉義農業縣\n255111\t274649\t那對我方的這個農業必須要它的衝擊要把它降到最低這是我希望外交部來去協助的那再來第二個部分就是剛才你提到這個安全保障還有軍費分擔等等那根據華府智庫的統計CSIS 他說美國目前全球的造船廠只有0.13%\n276531\t294114\t那是落後中國南韓那中國是53%那南韓是29%日本是13%那甚至美方的這個造船的產能是落後於台灣大概是0.29%那我的意思是說剛才我們提到各項的這一個跟外交談判的時候\n294995\t313830\t對我方跟對對方都能夠雙贏的是什麼我認為就是安全領域上面在造船領域上面我們現在台灣的造船有很多優勢譬如以高雄為核心的這個國艦國造的產業聚落包含台船中心等等都有那我們的實機是有公務船海巡軍艦特種的作業船都有\n314691\t339121\t我想請教部長外交部針對台美造船業的合作立場是什麼有沒有辦法來協助不管是海委會或者是其他相關的這些部門來去跟AIT來去就相關部門直接來接觸不管是維修共享維修產線共享設計健行或者是來確保我們印太區能夠保有量能的這種可能性想請部長來回應一下\n339841\t361166\t是 確實我想因為川普總統上任之後就成立了造船的辦公室在直屬總統母之下他也跟韓國那時候這個尹錫悅總統第一個議題談的就是造船業因為對於中國造船業已經不只是在商用甚至在軍事上幾乎是\n362492\t382485\t快要壟斷了整個國際的市場所以他也對於他的所謂的停港費有中國造船的都刻意甚至是一百萬一百五十萬美金的這個稅那這個就是希望另外一方面要加強美國跟他的友邦的造船業這個就是台灣因為這幾年國建國造還有我們的造船產業也發展起來\n388149\t390871\t所以這個部分除了自用之外我們跟美國現在有一個經濟繁榮夥伴對話在去年我們續約了第二屆就是新的五年裡面我們就提出針對運輸安全相關的項目那我們也會把造船業放進來這不只是配合美國的政策我們也希望在這個造船產業利用這一波的機會\n410565\t428852\t讓台灣可以輸出到國際包括尤其是第一島鏈我想面對中國的整個青老除了軍艦以外包括海警船包括很多其他的西藏他們灰色地帶的這個青老非常的嚴重所以很多的這個我們海巡署用的這個\n434154\t459203\t船艦這個快艇都是我們現在優先要發展國造以外也希望能夠輸出那跟美國能夠有合作在國際上市場也能夠佔有一個一定的地位謝謝部長那這也是符合美方跟我們的共同利益那我們剛才提到說安全的共享安全的這個確保其實這就是一個方向那我還是希望台美能夠透過制度性的合作\n460043\t487452\t然後來去融入他們區域的造船體系那其實不管是在造船的船體本身或者是它的相關產業鏈特別是我國的通訊產業等等那這些產業聚落我們都有那我希望更加主動的來去談那部長我不知道你還記不記得我們在之前我在質詢經濟部長的時候我有特別提到說有美方的智庫有把這一個川普把關稅的公式的錯漏之處把它指出來\n490035\t509523\t那你不覺得這個智庫對我國非常友善嗎智庫 因為有時候當然我們都很重視啦基本上我們跟美國的智庫的交往非常的平凡那這個部分他們所發表的專業的研究我們也都會參考所以我覺得智庫外交對台灣來說是無關\n512044\t533460\t不是這無關這個政黨的它是智庫外交是對台灣來講是重中之重因為你沒有辦法去推測說哪一個智庫會在什麼時候會對我們提出最關鍵的協助像上次傳統基金會就是提出很關鍵的協助對我國來講對我們關稅台灣來講都非常重要這是無關黨派的\n534100\t558968\t這是對台灣有最大利益的我們希望外交部能夠加強協助在台灣的各個智庫然後對美方的這些智庫之間的關係那當然我們的駐美辦事處跟這些智庫都長年以來都有很深厚的關係我們也是希望能夠持續來去加強那當然我還是想要請教外交部是不是有沒有考慮把這個包含外交學院與你基金會啊國科會教育部等等\n559648\t579235\t建立這些美國的一些研究學人你知道各個智庫他們都有研究學人來到我們台的這些駐點研究機制這是長期之間的人才培育無關黨派不管是共和黨還是民主黨不管是比較親共和黨還是民主黨的智庫都可以來台灣來跟我們有長期的關聯\n579935\t596280\t那這樣的關係建立之後在關鍵的時候特別是在關稅的時候他們就能夠指出對台灣有利有益的論述好 各位說明除了美處啦密切積極跟這個在美國的智庫有很多的交流合作\n597801\t613255\t舉辦活動以外 我們事實上也很多邀請那當然有一些計畫專案性的委託 或者是說他以這個學人獎學金的方式進行 那我們也尊重他們的學術的自主另外就是說我們的玉山論壇 凱達克拉\n615156\t630170\t論壇的人常常也都會邀請說也有一些他們的成果的展現那在關鍵時刻我們也是透過這些智庫進行所謂惡鬼外交甚至1.5鬼到1鬼都可以透過智庫做平台那在駐台灣像美國的IRI NDI\n634353\t654703\t還有這個NED啦還有這些就是不管共和民主的不同政黨他們成立的這些智庫還有包括民主基金會我們更是有對應的這個台灣的民主基金會所以這個智庫是非常頻繁現在已經不只美國跟歐洲啊特別這方面的交流現在非常的蓬勃發展\n656023\t671082\t謝謝部長我特別強調過去我在智庫服務的時候那我的一些部署或者是實習生有的在日本大使館工作他是日本人有的在印尼的總統府工作那後來他們都有跟我國在駐地的辦事處有很深的連結\n671803\t689157\t我現在是鼓勵我們駐館包括日本的我們的代表處積極的透過東京啊除了連結日本相關的智庫以外也連結其他國家住在東京他們不管是大使館或者是這一些智庫相關的一些代表\n692430\t714175\t我可以再問最後一題嗎 最後一點其實就快速回應就好安全許可的機制這個部分我們剛剛有提到這麼多的事情裡面最重要的就是人但如果人他沒有做過背景查核的話我們不知道他代表誰甚至是他背後的能量是在會不會來去導引他做出傷害國家利益的事情\n714955\t732963\t那在美國國務院有外交安全局外交安全局裡面是專門處理接觸機密人員的資格審查那我當然知道說我們現在未來要配合行政院等等這樣的說法我有聽到那我也知道說院長也有提到相關的這個未來的一個方向但是\n733959\t756557\t我是希望說評估的範圍他能夠從國家的忠誠財務到犯罪、民、刑事都要特別是民事也必須要包含在那有沒有可能外交部主動來去承擔一下在行政院跨部會議把你們的這個方向指引來跟行政院來分享來做一個主導特別是在外交部本身部內\n757665\t784413\t是外交人員除了經過國家考試我們其實尤其是在派外的時候都有很進一步的安全查核至於說幕僚人員這一波涉及到的就是機要有任用或者其他約聘那也必須建立更完整的制度而且要加以落實所以我們藉由這個一些發生的事件我們有在積極的檢討\n787034\t808268\t也是希望在制度面更加的能夠來做一些完整的規範我講這個的原因是因為你講到農幫或者是經貿外交經貿談判那就涉及我國的重大利益這個就是非常機密的事情所以我才想說安全核可被檢查這個部分來好好研究一下\n809369\t835791\t美國的話在聯邦的單位是由國防部的反情報安全局來去執行95%的這個背景查核那當然國防部說這個是調查局的工作那國安局的話是有國安局自己內部的所以其實現在每個部門都還有一些不同的查核機制那我是希望說部長你們可以自己來做部內的檢討看什麼樣的機制最符合外交部特別跟機貿相關的謝謝部長謝謝委員\n","txt":"我們請部長\n部長好 委員長部長剛才其實有幾位委員有提到關稅的部分那我想要請教一下現在的進度特別是日美之間已經有一些談判的一些進度出現那當然根據一些媒體有提到說日本他可能是在北國全球上面的談判中可以視為一個典範但是當然日方不見得是所有人都這麼認為特別是只要是談判特別是在這種狀況之下他可能有得有捨\n那這樣的狀況包含一些農作物可能必須要有一些讓步會衝擊到他們的農業也好汽車業也好那我們可以從中得到什麼樣的資訊情報以及從中得到什麼樣的經驗讓我們在跟美方談判的時候能夠更加的有餘裕這是第一個部分第二個就是日方怎麼樣應對中國\n我為什麼要特別講因為中國商務部有各種的這種非常戰狼式的這種反擊對美方的反擊甚至是對美方的盟友甚至都要見縫插針對此我們有什麼樣反制或者做好相應的準備嗎那委員說明確實我們也密切關注美日之間的關稅談判\n那因為他們有直接的邦交關係嘛那有包括甚至我想川普就可以這個在他們在比較工作階層談判的場合他也後來也參加這確實是特殊的風格我們也密切關注那因為每日之間因為涉及到這個關稅貿易以外其實他們有一個很大的問題農產品的問題是汽車\n這個產業對好像日本影響非常的大這個然後另外就是他們的所謂的安保就是說軍費的分攤的問題這個也是另外一個比較特別因為他們有這個日美安保的這個協定嘛那在台灣方面我們很密切的關注尤其包括\n因為我們沒有汽車這樣一個這麼關鍵性到可以可能這個涉及到這個就是日本的一個整個產業的一個發展那另外一個就是他們日方的談判策略跟結果我們也密切關注因為雖然我們也同步展開了跟美國的談判可是我想川普是把日本當作一個示範要讓各國來看所以我們也密切的關注\n謝謝部長那我還是強調一下就是說我們跟日方的關係也是很緊密的\n那在這個談判的節奏上面我們可以從中觀察到那常常會節奏上面可能還是以美方為主導的節奏那所以我是希望說在在美國的我們的辦事處也好那加強對日方的聯繫那從中汲取一些經驗那快速的去反映這未來的談判都是會有加分的那特別要觀察就是說日方怎麼去應對中國的壓力因為\n從日方的這個反應也可以成為我們未來的一些各種情境上面的演習所以我們是在第一批但同時第一批裡面的首先的最重要的日本可能已經給我們很好的一些經驗的或者是一些我們可以效法的一些做法那我們還是都要警惕一下因為看起來這還是會蓋成他們的一些衝擊剛才你提到的一些農業也好他們的這個汽車產業也好\n從中看到他們的節奏是什麼我跟委員補充一點我們在先前談台美21世紀貿易倡議的時候針對第二階段包括農產品、工業、環境還有一些涉及到的項目我們已經剛好有這個準備\n那這關鍵就是說我們的衝擊跟整個怎麼樣去配套對國內可能的影響所以相對來講我相信我們的準備工作是應該做得比較完整麻煩部長也要全力的來守護我們特別是我們是來自嘉義農業縣\n那對我方的這個農業必須要它的衝擊要把它降到最低這是我希望外交部來去協助的那再來第二個部分就是剛才你提到這個安全保障還有軍費分擔等等那根據華府智庫的統計CSIS 他說美國目前全球的造船廠只有0.13%\n那是落後中國南韓那中國是53%那南韓是29%日本是13%那甚至美方的這個造船的產能是落後於台灣大概是0.29%那我的意思是說剛才我們提到各項的這一個跟外交談判的時候\n對我方跟對對方都能夠雙贏的是什麼我認為就是安全領域上面在造船領域上面我們現在台灣的造船有很多優勢譬如以高雄為核心的這個國艦國造的產業聚落包含台船中心等等都有那我們的實機是有公務船海巡軍艦特種的作業船都有\n我想請教部長外交部針對台美造船業的合作立場是什麼有沒有辦法來協助不管是海委會或者是其他相關的這些部門來去跟AIT來去就相關部門直接來接觸不管是維修共享維修產線共享設計健行或者是來確保我們印太區能夠保有量能的這種可能性想請部長來回應一下\n是 確實我想因為川普總統上任之後就成立了造船的辦公室在直屬總統母之下他也跟韓國那時候這個尹錫悅總統第一個議題談的就是造船業因為對於中國造船業已經不只是在商用甚至在軍事上幾乎是\n快要壟斷了整個國際的市場所以他也對於他的所謂的停港費有中國造船的都刻意甚至是一百萬一百五十萬美金的這個稅那這個就是希望另外一方面要加強美國跟他的友邦的造船業這個就是台灣因為這幾年國建國造還有我們的造船產業也發展起來\n所以這個部分除了自用之外我們跟美國現在有一個經濟繁榮夥伴對話在去年我們續約了第二屆就是新的五年裡面我們就提出針對運輸安全相關的項目那我們也會把造船業放進來這不只是配合美國的政策我們也希望在這個造船產業利用這一波的機會\n讓台灣可以輸出到國際包括尤其是第一島鏈我想面對中國的整個青老除了軍艦以外包括海警船包括很多其他的西藏他們灰色地帶的這個青老非常的嚴重所以很多的這個我們海巡署用的這個\n船艦這個快艇都是我們現在優先要發展國造以外也希望能夠輸出那跟美國能夠有合作在國際上市場也能夠佔有一個一定的地位謝謝部長那這也是符合美方跟我們的共同利益那我們剛才提到說安全的共享安全的這個確保其實這就是一個方向那我還是希望台美能夠透過制度性的合作\n然後來去融入他們區域的造船體系那其實不管是在造船的船體本身或者是它的相關產業鏈特別是我國的通訊產業等等那這些產業聚落我們都有那我希望更加主動的來去談那部長我不知道你還記不記得我們在之前我在質詢經濟部長的時候我有特別提到說有美方的智庫有把這一個川普把關稅的公式的錯漏之處把它指出來\n那你不覺得這個智庫對我國非常友善嗎智庫 因為有時候當然我們都很重視啦基本上我們跟美國的智庫的交往非常的平凡那這個部分他們所發表的專業的研究我們也都會參考所以我覺得智庫外交對台灣來說是無關\n不是這無關這個政黨的它是智庫外交是對台灣來講是重中之重因為你沒有辦法去推測說哪一個智庫會在什麼時候會對我們提出最關鍵的協助像上次傳統基金會就是提出很關鍵的協助對我國來講對我們關稅台灣來講都非常重要這是無關黨派的\n這是對台灣有最大利益的我們希望外交部能夠加強協助在台灣的各個智庫然後對美方的這些智庫之間的關係那當然我們的駐美辦事處跟這些智庫都長年以來都有很深厚的關係我們也是希望能夠持續來去加強那當然我還是想要請教外交部是不是有沒有考慮把這個包含外交學院與你基金會啊國科會教育部等等\n建立這些美國的一些研究學人你知道各個智庫他們都有研究學人來到我們台的這些駐點研究機制這是長期之間的人才培育無關黨派不管是共和黨還是民主黨不管是比較親共和黨還是民主黨的智庫都可以來台灣來跟我們有長期的關聯\n那這樣的關係建立之後在關鍵的時候特別是在關稅的時候他們就能夠指出對台灣有利有益的論述好 各位說明除了美處啦密切積極跟這個在美國的智庫有很多的交流合作\n舉辦活動以外 我們事實上也很多邀請那當然有一些計畫專案性的委託 或者是說他以這個學人獎學金的方式進行 那我們也尊重他們的學術的自主另外就是說我們的玉山論壇 凱達克拉\n論壇的人常常也都會邀請說也有一些他們的成果的展現那在關鍵時刻我們也是透過這些智庫進行所謂惡鬼外交甚至1.5鬼到1鬼都可以透過智庫做平台那在駐台灣像美國的IRI NDI\n還有這個NED啦還有這些就是不管共和民主的不同政黨他們成立的這些智庫還有包括民主基金會我們更是有對應的這個台灣的民主基金會所以這個智庫是非常頻繁現在已經不只美國跟歐洲啊特別這方面的交流現在非常的蓬勃發展\n謝謝部長我特別強調過去我在智庫服務的時候那我的一些部署或者是實習生有的在日本大使館工作他是日本人有的在印尼的總統府工作那後來他們都有跟我國在駐地的辦事處有很深的連結\n我現在是鼓勵我們駐館包括日本的我們的代表處積極的透過東京啊除了連結日本相關的智庫以外也連結其他國家住在東京他們不管是大使館或者是這一些智庫相關的一些代表\n我可以再問最後一題嗎 最後一點其實就快速回應就好安全許可的機制這個部分我們剛剛有提到這麼多的事情裡面最重要的就是人但如果人他沒有做過背景查核的話我們不知道他代表誰甚至是他背後的能量是在會不會來去導引他做出傷害國家利益的事情\n那在美國國務院有外交安全局外交安全局裡面是專門處理接觸機密人員的資格審查那我當然知道說我們現在未來要配合行政院等等這樣的說法我有聽到那我也知道說院長也有提到相關的這個未來的一個方向但是\n我是希望說評估的範圍他能夠從國家的忠誠財務到犯罪、民、刑事都要特別是民事也必須要包含在那有沒有可能外交部主動來去承擔一下在行政院跨部會議把你們的這個方向指引來跟行政院來分享來做一個主導特別是在外交部本身部內\n是外交人員除了經過國家考試我們其實尤其是在派外的時候都有很進一步的安全查核至於說幕僚人員這一波涉及到的就是機要有任用或者其他約聘那也必須建立更完整的制度而且要加以落實所以我們藉由這個一些發生的事件我們有在積極的檢討\n也是希望在制度面更加的能夠來做一些完整的規範我講這個的原因是因為你講到農幫或者是經貿外交經貿談判那就涉及我國的重大利益這個就是非常機密的事情所以我才想說安全核可被檢查這個部分來好好研究一下\n美國的話在聯邦的單位是由國防部的反情報安全局來去執行95%的這個背景查核那當然國防部說這個是調查局的工作那國安局的話是有國安局自己內部的所以其實現在每個部門都還有一些不同的查核機制那我是希望說部長你們可以自己來做部內的檢討看什麼樣的機制最符合外交部特別跟機貿相關的謝謝部長謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.090 --> 00:00.191\n我們請部長\n\n00:11.294 --> 00:40.011\n部長好委員長部長剛才其實有幾位委員有提到關稅的部分那我想要請教一下現在的進度特別是日美之間已經有一些談判的一些進度出現那當然根據一些媒體有提到說日本他可能是在北國全球上面的談判中可以視為一個典範但是當然日方不見得是所有人都這麼認為特別是只要是談判特別是在這種狀況之下他可能有得有捨\n\n00:40.751 --> 01:01.831\n那這樣的狀況包含一些農作物可能必須要有一些讓步會衝擊到他們的農業也好汽車業也好那我們可以從中得到什麼樣的資訊情報以及從中得到什麼樣的經驗讓我們在跟美方談判的時候能夠更加的有餘裕這是第一個部分第二個就是日方怎麼樣應對中國\n\n01:03.132 --> 01:22.704\n我為什麼要特別講因為中國商務部有各種的這種非常戰狼式的這種反擊對美方的反擊甚至是對美方的盟友甚至都要見縫插針對此我們有什麼樣反制或者做好相應的準備嗎那委員說明確實我們也密切關注美日之間的關稅談判\n\n01:24.685 --> 01:49.010\n那因為他們有直接的邦交關係嘛那有包括甚至我想川普就可以這個在他們在比較工作階層談判的場合他也後來也參加這確實是特殊的風格我們也密切關注那因為每日之間因為涉及到這個關稅貿易以外其實他們有一個很大的問題農產品的問題是汽車\n\n01:53.152 --> 02:10.421\n這個產業對好像日本影響非常的大這個然後另外就是他們的所謂的安保就是說軍費的分攤的問題這個也是另外一個比較特別因為他們有這個日美安保的這個協定嘛那在台灣方面我們很密切的關注尤其包括\n\n02:11.041 --> 02:40.056\n因為我們沒有汽車這樣一個這麼關鍵性到可以可能這個涉及到這個就是日本的一個整個產業的一個發展那另外一個就是他們日方的談判策略跟結果我們也密切關注因為雖然我們也同步展開了跟美國的談判可是我想川普是把日本當作一個示範要讓各國來看所以我們也密切的關注\n\n02:41.057 --> 02:45.350\n謝謝部長那我還是強調一下就是說我們跟日方的關係也是很緊密的\n\n02:45.885 --> 03:11.190\n那在這個談判的節奏上面我們可以從中觀察到那常常會節奏上面可能還是以美方為主導的節奏那所以我是希望說在在美國的我們的辦事處也好那加強對日方的聯繫那從中汲取一些經驗那快速的去反映這未來的談判都是會有加分的那特別要觀察就是說日方怎麼去應對中國的壓力因為\n\n03:11.930 --> 03:36.524\n從日方的這個反應也可以成為我們未來的一些各種情境上面的演習所以我們是在第一批但同時第一批裡面的首先的最重要的日本可能已經給我們很好的一些經驗的或者是一些我們可以效法的一些做法那我們還是都要警惕一下因為看起來這還是會蓋成他們的一些衝擊剛才你提到的一些農業也好他們的這個汽車產業也好\n\n03:39.385 --> 03:44.849\n從中看到他們的節奏是什麼我跟委員補充一點我們在先前談台美21世紀貿易倡議的時候針對第二階段包括農產品、工業、環境還有一些涉及到的項目我們已經剛好有這個準備\n\n03:59.620 --> 04:13.910\n那這關鍵就是說我們的衝擊跟整個怎麼樣去配套對國內可能的影響所以相對來講我相信我們的準備工作是應該做得比較完整麻煩部長也要全力的來守護我們特別是我們是來自嘉義農業縣\n\n04:15.111 --> 04:34.649\n那對我方的這個農業必須要它的衝擊要把它降到最低這是我希望外交部來去協助的那再來第二個部分就是剛才你提到這個安全保障還有軍費分擔等等那根據華府智庫的統計CSIS他說美國目前全球的造船廠只有0.13%\n\n04:36.531 --> 04:54.114\n那是落後中國南韓那中國是53%那南韓是29%日本是13%那甚至美方的這個造船的產能是落後於台灣大概是0.29%那我的意思是說剛才我們提到各項的這一個跟外交談判的時候\n\n04:54.995 --> 05:13.830\n對我方跟對對方都能夠雙贏的是什麼我認為就是安全領域上面在造船領域上面我們現在台灣的造船有很多優勢譬如以高雄為核心的這個國艦國造的產業聚落包含台船中心等等都有那我們的實機是有公務船海巡軍艦特種的作業船都有\n\n05:14.691 --> 05:39.121\n我想請教部長外交部針對台美造船業的合作立場是什麼有沒有辦法來協助不管是海委會或者是其他相關的這些部門來去跟AIT來去就相關部門直接來接觸不管是維修共享維修產線共享設計健行或者是來確保我們印太區能夠保有量能的這種可能性想請部長來回應一下\n\n05:39.841 --> 06:01.166\n是確實我想因為川普總統上任之後就成立了造船的辦公室在直屬總統母之下他也跟韓國那時候這個尹錫悅總統第一個議題談的就是造船業因為對於中國造船業已經不只是在商用甚至在軍事上幾乎是\n\n06:02.492 --> 06:22.485\n快要壟斷了整個國際的市場所以他也對於他的所謂的停港費有中國造船的都刻意甚至是一百萬一百五十萬美金的這個稅那這個就是希望另外一方面要加強美國跟他的友邦的造船業這個就是台灣因為這幾年國建國造還有我們的造船產業也發展起來\n\n06:28.149 --> 06:30.871\n所以這個部分除了自用之外我們跟美國現在有一個經濟繁榮夥伴對話在去年我們續約了第二屆就是新的五年裡面我們就提出針對運輸安全相關的項目那我們也會把造船業放進來這不只是配合美國的政策我們也希望在這個造船產業利用這一波的機會\n\n06:50.565 --> 07:08.852\n讓台灣可以輸出到國際包括尤其是第一島鏈我想面對中國的整個青老除了軍艦以外包括海警船包括很多其他的西藏他們灰色地帶的這個青老非常的嚴重所以很多的這個我們海巡署用的這個\n\n07:14.154 --> 07:39.203\n船艦這個快艇都是我們現在優先要發展國造以外也希望能夠輸出那跟美國能夠有合作在國際上市場也能夠佔有一個一定的地位謝謝部長那這也是符合美方跟我們的共同利益那我們剛才提到說安全的共享安全的這個確保其實這就是一個方向那我還是希望台美能夠透過制度性的合作\n\n07:40.043 --> 08:07.452\n然後來去融入他們區域的造船體系那其實不管是在造船的船體本身或者是它的相關產業鏈特別是我國的通訊產業等等那這些產業聚落我們都有那我希望更加主動的來去談那部長我不知道你還記不記得我們在之前我在質詢經濟部長的時候我有特別提到說有美方的智庫有把這一個川普把關稅的公式的錯漏之處把它指出來\n\n08:10.035 --> 08:29.523\n那你不覺得這個智庫對我國非常友善嗎智庫因為有時候當然我們都很重視啦基本上我們跟美國的智庫的交往非常的平凡那這個部分他們所發表的專業的研究我們也都會參考所以我覺得智庫外交對台灣來說是無關\n\n08:32.044 --> 08:53.460\n不是這無關這個政黨的它是智庫外交是對台灣來講是重中之重因為你沒有辦法去推測說哪一個智庫會在什麼時候會對我們提出最關鍵的協助像上次傳統基金會就是提出很關鍵的協助對我國來講對我們關稅台灣來講都非常重要這是無關黨派的\n\n08:54.100 --> 09:18.968\n這是對台灣有最大利益的我們希望外交部能夠加強協助在台灣的各個智庫然後對美方的這些智庫之間的關係那當然我們的駐美辦事處跟這些智庫都長年以來都有很深厚的關係我們也是希望能夠持續來去加強那當然我還是想要請教外交部是不是有沒有考慮把這個包含外交學院與你基金會啊國科會教育部等等\n\n09:19.648 --> 09:39.235\n建立這些美國的一些研究學人你知道各個智庫他們都有研究學人來到我們台的這些駐點研究機制這是長期之間的人才培育無關黨派不管是共和黨還是民主黨不管是比較親共和黨還是民主黨的智庫都可以來台灣來跟我們有長期的關聯\n\n09:39.935 --> 09:56.280\n那這樣的關係建立之後在關鍵的時候特別是在關稅的時候他們就能夠指出對台灣有利有益的論述好各位說明除了美處啦密切積極跟這個在美國的智庫有很多的交流合作\n\n09:57.801 --> 10:13.255\n舉辦活動以外我們事實上也很多邀請那當然有一些計畫專案性的委託或者是說他以這個學人獎學金的方式進行那我們也尊重他們的學術的自主另外就是說我們的玉山論壇凱達克拉\n\n10:15.156 --> 10:30.170\n論壇的人常常也都會邀請說也有一些他們的成果的展現那在關鍵時刻我們也是透過這些智庫進行所謂惡鬼外交甚至1.5鬼到1鬼都可以透過智庫做平台那在駐台灣像美國的IRINDI\n\n10:34.353 --> 10:54.703\n還有這個NED啦還有這些就是不管共和民主的不同政黨他們成立的這些智庫還有包括民主基金會我們更是有對應的這個台灣的民主基金會所以這個智庫是非常頻繁現在已經不只美國跟歐洲啊特別這方面的交流現在非常的蓬勃發展\n\n10:56.023 --> 11:11.082\n謝謝部長我特別強調過去我在智庫服務的時候那我的一些部署或者是實習生有的在日本大使館工作他是日本人有的在印尼的總統府工作那後來他們都有跟我國在駐地的辦事處有很深的連結\n\n11:11.803 --> 11:29.157\n我現在是鼓勵我們駐館包括日本的我們的代表處積極的透過東京啊除了連結日本相關的智庫以外也連結其他國家住在東京他們不管是大使館或者是這一些智庫相關的一些代表\n\n11:32.430 --> 11:54.175\n我可以再問最後一題嗎最後一點其實就快速回應就好安全許可的機制這個部分我們剛剛有提到這麼多的事情裡面最重要的就是人但如果人他沒有做過背景查核的話我們不知道他代表誰甚至是他背後的能量是在會不會來去導引他做出傷害國家利益的事情\n\n11:54.955 --> 12:12.963\n那在美國國務院有外交安全局外交安全局裡面是專門處理接觸機密人員的資格審查那我當然知道說我們現在未來要配合行政院等等這樣的說法我有聽到那我也知道說院長也有提到相關的這個未來的一個方向但是\n\n12:13.959 --> 12:36.557\n我是希望說評估的範圍他能夠從國家的忠誠財務到犯罪、民、刑事都要特別是民事也必須要包含在那有沒有可能外交部主動來去承擔一下在行政院跨部會議把你們的這個方向指引來跟行政院來分享來做一個主導特別是在外交部本身部內\n\n12:37.665 --> 13:04.413\n是外交人員除了經過國家考試我們其實尤其是在派外的時候都有很進一步的安全查核至於說幕僚人員這一波涉及到的就是機要有任用或者其他約聘那也必須建立更完整的制度而且要加以落實所以我們藉由這個一些發生的事件我們有在積極的檢討\n\n13:07.034 --> 13:28.268\n也是希望在制度面更加的能夠來做一些完整的規範我講這個的原因是因為你講到農幫或者是經貿外交經貿談判那就涉及我國的重大利益這個就是非常機密的事情所以我才想說安全核可被檢查這個部分來好好研究一下\n\n13:29.369 --> 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因為有時候當然我們都很重視啦基本上我們跟美國的智庫的交往非常的平凡那這個部分他們所發表的專業的研究我們也都會參考所以我覺得智庫外交對台灣來說是無關"},{"start":512.044,"end":533.46,"text":"不是這無關這個政黨的它是智庫外交是對台灣來講是重中之重因為你沒有辦法去推測說哪一個智庫會在什麼時候會對我們提出最關鍵的協助像上次傳統基金會就是提出很關鍵的協助對我國來講對我們關稅台灣來講都非常重要這是無關黨派的"},{"start":534.1,"end":558.968,"text":"這是對台灣有最大利益的我們希望外交部能夠加強協助在台灣的各個智庫然後對美方的這些智庫之間的關係那當然我們的駐美辦事處跟這些智庫都長年以來都有很深厚的關係我們也是希望能夠持續來去加強那當然我還是想要請教外交部是不是有沒有考慮把這個包含外交學院與你基金會啊國科會教育部等等"},{"start":559.648,"end":579.235,"text":"建立這些美國的一些研究學人你知道各個智庫他們都有研究學人來到我們台的這些駐點研究機制這是長期之間的人才培育無關黨派不管是共和黨還是民主黨不管是比較親共和黨還是民主黨的智庫都可以來台灣來跟我們有長期的關聯"},{"start":579.935,"end":596.28,"text":"那這樣的關係建立之後在關鍵的時候特別是在關稅的時候他們就能夠指出對台灣有利有益的論述好 各位說明除了美處啦密切積極跟這個在美國的智庫有很多的交流合作"},{"start":597.801,"end":613.255,"text":"舉辦活動以外 我們事實上也很多邀請那當然有一些計畫專案性的委託 或者是說他以這個學人獎學金的方式進行 那我們也尊重他們的學術的自主另外就是說我們的玉山論壇 凱達克拉"},{"start":615.156,"end":630.17,"text":"論壇的人常常也都會邀請說也有一些他們的成果的展現那在關鍵時刻我們也是透過這些智庫進行所謂惡鬼外交甚至1.5鬼到1鬼都可以透過智庫做平台那在駐台灣像美國的IRI 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洋召委上台質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":98,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-35-9","speakers":["黃仁","羅美玲","陳俊宇","陳冠廷","沈伯洋","林楚茵","王定宇","馬文君","徐巧芯","黃國昌","廖先翔","王鴻薇","張啓楷","李坤城","林憶君"],"page_start":57,"meetingDate":["2025-04-21"],"gazette_id":"1144001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1144001_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第9次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請外交部部長林佳龍報告業務概況，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1144001_00002"}}}