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00:00:39,565\n部長好喂好好久不見是因為剛剛前面有接續到這個考核的事情那這個因為我在想說因為今天剛好隔壁這個調查局也有來然後人事總署今天沒有來但是這個考核的事情確實是非常的重要不過我打算等一下到隔壁問所以我就先問個外交不過考核確實真的很重要我今天大概有四個問題第一個當然就是跟我們的預算有關係就是說\n\n3\n00:00:40,505 --> 00:01:09,080\n我有看到這一個外交部跟Discovery有合資一些這個紀錄片然後也有得獎那我看到今年的3月16到22有這些這個網紅組團訪台對不對說這一個觀看數是3,500那我覺得這個算是在總和外交裡面非常重要的一環因為它尤其是第二個它已經接觸到一般的人民不只是而且不只是說什麼是單純的知識分子而已就是說很廣泛的一般的庶民都可以去接收到這樣的一個訊息\n\n4\n00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:35,868\n但是因為我剛好前陣子就上禮拜了我們有去外交學院那外交學院因為他們現在也有在辦這一個全民外交的課程那他有點是在帶譬如說台灣的一些NGO或者說偏鄉等等之類他們怎麼去加入這個總和外交那但是現在就是他們好不容易如果把人也可以把他訓練出來然後或許也可以跟外交部搭配那國傳司現在這個預算的部分是不是受到比較大的影響\n\n5\n00:01:36,508 --> 00:01:41,756\n那目前因為畢竟他已經受到影響了我們大概也不知道能做什麼那現在因應的這個策略有什麼\n\n6\n00:01:43,001 --> 00:02:02,113\n因為他不能夠做這些文宣影響真的很大因為你還是要透過一些媒體管道去傳播我當然巧不難為無名之炊但是我當然盡量變通所以我就自己有時候親自上場開記者會然後辦活動然後變成一個議題甚至有爭論都不要緊就吸引國際媒體的報導\n\n7\n00:02:11,179 --> 00:02:26,380\n其實國內比較屬於我想大家都了解這個都很關心外交部可是在國際上因為中國它現在是排山倒海的它的所謂的一帶一路這些到很多國家去事實上有一些都已經是\n\n8\n00:02:28,124 --> 00:02:56,801\n涉及到違法的行為他也在做那我們要以合法的方式去對抗他然後就宣傳好像參加國際組織我們要讓更多的人來支持台灣的時候我們卻沒有這樣子的一個文宣的費用當然我是這個一方面是很難為但是也很難過啦所以我希望我自己或者像我最近辦這個不管是所謂的大阪世博要去發現要去所謂的尋找台灣FindingTaiwan我就變成一個活動\n\n9\n00:02:57,581 --> 00:03:24,233\n然後號召限制各地的人來投件這個就不是宣傳但是它會不會有效果也會有一些突破然後像歐洲像我知道去年奧運我們的文化奧運效果非常好歐洲人很有興趣所以我們今年有推出這個歐洲台灣文化年可是一樣沒有文宣的費用我們只要把外館啊年度性的活動做個檢討之後我們把它聚焦然後以活動或新聞稿或各種方式\n\n10\n00:03:24,813 --> 00:03:42,480\n包括一些網紅的邀請那有一些是幾乎半贊助的方式所以委員剛剛提到包括像我們國傳司邀請的四位網紅其中一位啦我舉個例子這個瓜地馬拉的這個網紅他在一週裡面那我也跟他互動他總共接觸到3200萬\n\n11\n00:03:45,162 --> 00:04:00,923\n人點閱哦人事啦人事還有西班牙語系啊那這個就是我想國團司也是功不可沒但是畢竟啦我們都要透過活動而不是一般的文宣管道真的也是會有點精疲力竭或是說力有未待\n\n12\n00:04:01,323 --> 00:04:16,254\n對因為現在這個砍的這個狀況我就覺得說這個運作非常困難那剛剛聽到部長第一個當然就是透過個人透過個人去參與活動先自己製造新聞這個當然是會稍微比較辛苦一點那另外剛剛有提到像士博這一次已經讓大家看見台灣\n\n13\n00:04:18,115 --> 00:04:39,595\n我順便問一下,現在在這個展場,畢竟它不能夠直接弄出台灣的元素,那如果說我們現在要把這個元素增強,這是剛剛講的已經在做了,那第二個就是說,因為我們也有一些在那邊的同仁,他們就有回報說,其實在當地的導覽,\n\n14\n00:04:41,637 --> 00:04:58,010\n就日文的導覽他們有不斷的提到台灣因為他是導覽他導覽的時候他在語音上但是因為他是在日文的時候提到那不知道就是說可不可以會同經濟部因為我知道最主要其實是在經濟部在弄那這個會同經濟部看能不能有更多這個語言的一個方式讓台灣可以呈現其實\n\n15\n00:05:01,104 --> 00:05:22,872\n台灣我們不去講大家都知道那因為日本當然也是協助我們用玉山這個科技諸事會社去登記了一個叫TEDWORKTEDWORK的但TW這個台灣也是TW但是我覺得這個就很自然的我們現在這種實質參與之後其實也是很有張力\n\n16\n00:05:23,672 --> 00:05:29,636\n很多日本人去看的時候打卡上傳那有些人甚至問TW不是台灣打個問號年輕人很有創意變成一個新聞事情我覺得這個也都是在大家覺得怎麼樣透過這樣的一個參與參與就能夠讓大家看見\n\n17\n00:05:43,846 --> 00:06:08,558\n至於說有一些官方的一些限制我們盡量去爭取可是我想民間的空間是無限大因為畢竟日本也是一個民主的社會所以這個是委員提到就是說它的台灣元素是具體而為的呈現在這個館我們經濟部不管是我們外貿協會號召了台灣所有的這一些新興科技\n\n18\n00:06:09,438 --> 00:06:21,105\n包括AI晶片還有所有的虛實整合的這一些資通訊產業還有智慧的這些解決方案我是覺得就像奧運當時在東京舉行的時候日本的NHK就稱我們是台灣隊是啊那我們有時候\n\n19\n00:06:30,731 --> 00:06:49,369\n有時候因為中國的霸道可是大家都知道心照不宣那透過自發性的力量呈現其實有時候適得其反反而對中共來講想打壓我們的效果反而大所以委員也可以去參訪透過委員參訪您也有很多的粉絲以這個方式來幫助讓台灣能夠被世界看見\n\n20\n00:06:55,735 --> 00:07:13,024\n不過說到這一個就是說中國的ABA中國的打壓這件事情因為最近也是變得比較嚴重那因為WHO就是也要就WHO的事情所以也差不多要進行了所以我想後面再問一下就是說中越這個我先挑過就是說目前這一個WHO這件事情\n\n21\n00:07:13,724 --> 00:07:27,274\n就是因為畢竟離美國離開還有一段時間但是就是說我們之前很著重在2758那現在因為這件事情也快了那這個跟衛福部相關的合作針對這件事情有沒有一個相關的報告跟國人指導一下\n\n22\n00:07:27,845 --> 00:07:55,500\n我覺得跟委員報告其實美國雖然對世界衛生組織也許新的政府有一些不同的做法不過對台灣的支持力道並沒有減低今年二月這個在世界衛生組織的執行委員會裡面就是美日等國的這自然公開的對台灣來發聲以外其實中共想要用27582決議來排除台灣他們反而激起了這一些理念相近國家也表態\n\n23\n00:07:56,841 --> 00:08:14,902\n這很多都是有幫我們表態2758的所以有時候危機就是轉機因為中共打壓無所不在所以我們怎麼樣能夠透過各界有點是有時候也是借力使力讓台灣的聲音被聽見那可以跟中共我們站在同樣一個舞台上\n\n24\n00:08:15,522 --> 00:08:34,931\n大家能夠就是我們能為台灣來發聲對不過我們就是說對外當然我覺得外交部在應對中國威脅那現在當然是預算上有所不足這是一件事但是有一些創意的發想這當然是很好那當然就是內部就是說我那天在去這個學院的時候有特別跟他們提到因為內部我們也可能會有滲透或間諜\n\n25\n00:08:37,072 --> 00:09:04,487\n那內部的這個滲透跟間諜除了等一下這個隔壁那個忠誠考核是不是隔壁現在在問我待會去隔壁問但其中有一項就是說這個教學因為在怎麼做一些忠誠考核義務還不如說他在過程當中對這個的學習因為今天我不是說只是要抓比如說被滲透者而已我們還需要一個蠻關鍵的地方就是裡面的人要怎麼知道對方的手法是什麼那我之前在這一個外交學院的時候我就問就是說資安的部分因為之前有建議過然後也已經放進去了\n\n26\n00:09:05,828 --> 00:09:31,097\n就是跟資訊滲透有關的那人員滲透有關的如果未來也可以放輕鬆我們那天大概也有一個初步的結論那再請部長就是跟外交學院再提醒一下這件事情的課程的一個整合可能會變得更重要那就是我剛剛也說明賴總統提到的那個所謂的不管是反滲透反併吞那些決議我們外交部現在也在辦理當中所以除了資安人安的部分我們也會特別強調\n\n27\n00:09:32,618 --> 00:09:48,537\n因為這個對於外館本身的那些人員他們經常被騷擾又可能被滲透他等於是內外交迫所以這個部分如果能夠給人員更多的訓練的話他們可能更能夠去抵抗中國的威脅關稅的部分我想說很多人問過了那我看有時間差不多我就先不問謝謝部長謝謝主席謝謝沈培陽周圍上台\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n290\t1376\t謝謝主席 那有請部長 謝謝\n11639\t39565\t部長好喂好好久不見是因為剛剛前面有接續到這個考核的事情那這個因為我在想說因為今天剛好隔壁這個調查局也有來然後人事總署今天沒有來但是這個考核的事情確實是非常的重要不過我打算等一下到隔壁問所以我就先問個外交不過考核確實真的很重要我今天大概有四個問題第一個當然就是跟我們的預算有關係就是說\n40505\t69080\t我有看到這一個外交部跟Discovery有合資一些這個紀錄片然後也有得獎那我看到今年的3月16到22有這些這個網紅組團訪台對不對說這一個觀看數是3,500那我覺得這個算是在總和外交裡面非常重要的一環因為它尤其是第二個它已經接觸到一般的人民不只是而且不只是說什麼是單純的知識分子而已就是說很廣泛的一般的庶民都可以去接收到這樣的一個訊息\n70440\t95868\t但是因為我剛好前陣子就上禮拜了我們有去外交學院那外交學院因為他們現在也有在辦這一個全民外交的課程那他有點是在帶譬如說台灣的一些NGO或者說偏鄉等等之類他們怎麼去加入這個總和外交那但是現在就是他們好不容易如果把人也可以把他訓練出來然後或許也可以跟外交部搭配那國傳司現在這個預算的部分是不是受到比較大的影響\n96508\t101756\t那目前因為畢竟他已經受到影響了我們大概也不知道能做什麼那現在因應的這個策略有什麼\n103001\t122113\t因為他不能夠做這些文宣影響真的很大因為你還是要透過一些媒體管道去傳播我當然巧不難為無名之炊但是我當然盡量變通所以我就自己有時候親自上場開記者會 然後辦活動然後變成一個議題甚至有爭論都不要緊就吸引國際媒體的報導\n131179\t146380\t其實國內比較屬於我想大家都了解這個都很關心外交部可是在國際上因為中國它現在是排山倒海的它的所謂的一帶一路這些到很多國家去事實上有一些都已經是\n148124\t176801\t涉及到違法的行為他也在做那我們要以合法的方式去對抗他然後就宣傳好像參加國際組織我們要讓更多的人來支持台灣的時候我們卻沒有這樣子的一個文宣的費用當然我是這個一方面是很難為但是也很難過啦所以我希望我自己或者像我最近辦這個不管是所謂的大阪世博要去發現要去所謂的尋找台灣Finding Taiwan我就變成一個活動\n177581\t204233\t然後號召限制各地的人來投件這個就不是宣傳但是它會不會有效果也會有一些突破然後像歐洲像我知道去年奧運我們的文化奧運效果非常好歐洲人很有興趣所以我們今年有推出這個歐洲台灣文化年可是一樣沒有文宣的費用我們只要把外館啊年度性的活動做個檢討之後我們把它聚焦然後以活動或新聞稿或各種方式\n204813\t222480\t包括一些網紅的邀請那有一些是幾乎半贊助的方式所以委員剛剛提到包括像我們國傳司邀請的四位網紅其中一位啦我舉個例子這個瓜地馬拉的這個網紅他在一週裡面那我也跟他互動他總共接觸到3200萬\n225162\t240923\t人 點閱哦 人事啦人事 還有西班牙語系啊那這個就是我想國團司也是功不可沒但是畢竟啦我們都要透過活動而不是一般的文宣管道真的也是會有點精疲力竭或是說力有未待\n241323\t256254\t對 因為現在這個砍的這個狀況我就覺得說這個運作非常困難那剛剛聽到部長第一個當然就是透過個人透過個人去參與活動先自己製造新聞這個當然是會稍微比較辛苦一點那另外剛剛有提到像士博這一次已經讓大家看見台灣\n258115\t279595\t我順便問一下,現在在這個展場,畢竟它不能夠直接弄出台灣的元素,那如果說我們現在要把這個元素增強,這是剛剛講的已經在做了,那第二個就是說,因為我們也有一些在那邊的同仁,他們就有回報說,其實在當地的導覽,\n281637\t298010\t就日文的導覽他們有不斷的提到台灣因為他是導覽他導覽的時候他在語音上但是因為他是在日文的時候提到那不知道就是說可不可以會同經濟部因為我知道最主要其實是在經濟部在弄那這個會同經濟部看能不能有更多這個語言的一個方式讓台灣可以呈現其實\n301104\t322872\t台灣我們不去講大家都知道那因為日本當然也是協助我們用玉山這個科技諸事會社去登記了一個叫TEDWORKTEDWORK的但TW這個台灣也是TW但是我覺得這個就很自然的我們現在這種實質參與之後其實也是很有張力\n323672\t329636\t很多日本人去看的時候打卡上傳那有些人甚至問TW不是台灣打個問號年輕人很有創意變成一個新聞事情我覺得這個也都是在大家覺得怎麼樣透過這樣的一個參與參與就能夠讓大家看見\n343846\t368558\t至於說有一些官方的一些限制我們盡量去爭取可是我想民間的空間是無限大因為畢竟日本也是一個民主的社會所以這個是委員提到就是說它的台灣元素是具體而為的呈現在這個館我們經濟部不管是我們外貿協會號召了台灣所有的這一些新興科技\n369438\t381105\t包括AI晶片還有所有的虛實整合的這一些資通訊產業還有智慧的這些解決方案我是覺得就像奧運當時在東京舉行的時候日本的NHK就稱我們是台灣隊是啊那我們有時候\n390731\t409369\t有時候因為中國的霸道可是大家都知道心照不宣那透過自發性的力量呈現其實有時候適得其反反而對中共來講想打壓我們的效果反而大所以委員也可以去參訪透過委員參訪您也有很多的粉絲以這個方式來幫助讓台灣能夠被世界看見\n415735\t433024\t不過說到這一個就是說中國的ABA中國的打壓這件事情因為最近也是變得比較嚴重那因為WHO就是也要就WHO的事情所以也差不多要進行了所以我想後面再問一下就是說中越這個我先挑過就是說目前這一個WHO這件事情\n433724\t447274\t就是因為畢竟離美國離開還有一段時間但是就是說我們之前很著重在2758那現在因為這件事情也快了那這個跟衛福部相關的合作針對這件事情有沒有一個相關的報告跟國人指導一下\n447845\t475500\t我覺得跟委員報告其實美國雖然對世界衛生組織也許新的政府有一些不同的做法不過對台灣的支持力道並沒有減低今年二月這個在世界衛生組織的執行委員會裡面就是美日等國的這自然公開的對台灣來發聲以外其實中共想要用27582決議來排除台灣他們反而激起了這一些理念相近國家也表態\n476841\t494902\t這很多都是有幫我們表態2758的所以有時候危機就是轉機因為中共打壓無所不在所以我們怎麼樣能夠透過各界有點是有時候也是借力使力讓台灣的聲音被聽見那可以跟中共我們站在同樣一個舞台上\n495522\t514931\t大家能夠就是我們能為台灣來發聲對不過我們就是說對外當然我覺得外交部在應對中國威脅那現在當然是預算上有所不足這是一件事但是有一些創意的發想這當然是很好那當然就是內部就是說我那天在去這個學院的時候有特別跟他們提到因為內部我們也可能會有滲透或間諜\n517072\t544487\t那內部的這個滲透跟間諜除了等一下這個隔壁那個忠誠考核是不是隔壁現在在問我待會去隔壁問但其中有一項就是說這個教學因為在怎麼做一些忠誠考核義務還不如說他在過程當中對這個的學習因為今天我不是說只是要抓比如說被滲透者而已我們還需要一個蠻關鍵的地方就是裡面的人要怎麼知道對方的手法是什麼那我之前在這一個外交學院的時候我就問就是說資安的部分因為之前有建議過然後也已經放進去了\n545828\t571097\t就是跟資訊滲透有關的那人員滲透有關的如果未來也可以放輕鬆我們那天大概也有一個初步的結論那再請部長就是跟外交學院再提醒一下這件事情的課程的一個整合可能會變得更重要那就是我剛剛也說明賴總統提到的那個所謂的不管是反滲透反併吞那些決議我們外交部現在也在辦理當中所以除了資安人安的部分我們也會特別強調\n572618\t588537\t因為這個對於外館本身的那些人員他們經常被騷擾又可能被滲透他等於是內外交迫所以這個部分如果能夠給人員更多的訓練的話他們可能更能夠去抵抗中國的威脅關稅的部分我想說很多人問過了那我看有時間差不多我就先不問謝謝部長 謝謝主席謝謝沈培陽周圍上台\n","txt":"謝謝主席 那有請部長 謝謝\n部長好喂好好久不見是因為剛剛前面有接續到這個考核的事情那這個因為我在想說因為今天剛好隔壁這個調查局也有來然後人事總署今天沒有來但是這個考核的事情確實是非常的重要不過我打算等一下到隔壁問所以我就先問個外交不過考核確實真的很重要我今天大概有四個問題第一個當然就是跟我們的預算有關係就是說\n我有看到這一個外交部跟Discovery有合資一些這個紀錄片然後也有得獎那我看到今年的3月16到22有這些這個網紅組團訪台對不對說這一個觀看數是3,500那我覺得這個算是在總和外交裡面非常重要的一環因為它尤其是第二個它已經接觸到一般的人民不只是而且不只是說什麼是單純的知識分子而已就是說很廣泛的一般的庶民都可以去接收到這樣的一個訊息\n但是因為我剛好前陣子就上禮拜了我們有去外交學院那外交學院因為他們現在也有在辦這一個全民外交的課程那他有點是在帶譬如說台灣的一些NGO或者說偏鄉等等之類他們怎麼去加入這個總和外交那但是現在就是他們好不容易如果把人也可以把他訓練出來然後或許也可以跟外交部搭配那國傳司現在這個預算的部分是不是受到比較大的影響\n那目前因為畢竟他已經受到影響了我們大概也不知道能做什麼那現在因應的這個策略有什麼\n因為他不能夠做這些文宣影響真的很大因為你還是要透過一些媒體管道去傳播我當然巧不難為無名之炊但是我當然盡量變通所以我就自己有時候親自上場開記者會 然後辦活動然後變成一個議題甚至有爭論都不要緊就吸引國際媒體的報導\n其實國內比較屬於我想大家都了解這個都很關心外交部可是在國際上因為中國它現在是排山倒海的它的所謂的一帶一路這些到很多國家去事實上有一些都已經是\n涉及到違法的行為他也在做那我們要以合法的方式去對抗他然後就宣傳好像參加國際組織我們要讓更多的人來支持台灣的時候我們卻沒有這樣子的一個文宣的費用當然我是這個一方面是很難為但是也很難過啦所以我希望我自己或者像我最近辦這個不管是所謂的大阪世博要去發現要去所謂的尋找台灣Finding Taiwan我就變成一個活動\n然後號召限制各地的人來投件這個就不是宣傳但是它會不會有效果也會有一些突破然後像歐洲像我知道去年奧運我們的文化奧運效果非常好歐洲人很有興趣所以我們今年有推出這個歐洲台灣文化年可是一樣沒有文宣的費用我們只要把外館啊年度性的活動做個檢討之後我們把它聚焦然後以活動或新聞稿或各種方式\n包括一些網紅的邀請那有一些是幾乎半贊助的方式所以委員剛剛提到包括像我們國傳司邀請的四位網紅其中一位啦我舉個例子這個瓜地馬拉的這個網紅他在一週裡面那我也跟他互動他總共接觸到3200萬\n人 點閱哦 人事啦人事 還有西班牙語系啊那這個就是我想國團司也是功不可沒但是畢竟啦我們都要透過活動而不是一般的文宣管道真的也是會有點精疲力竭或是說力有未待\n對 因為現在這個砍的這個狀況我就覺得說這個運作非常困難那剛剛聽到部長第一個當然就是透過個人透過個人去參與活動先自己製造新聞這個當然是會稍微比較辛苦一點那另外剛剛有提到像士博這一次已經讓大家看見台灣\n我順便問一下,現在在這個展場,畢竟它不能夠直接弄出台灣的元素,那如果說我們現在要把這個元素增強,這是剛剛講的已經在做了,那第二個就是說,因為我們也有一些在那邊的同仁,他們就有回報說,其實在當地的導覽,\n就日文的導覽他們有不斷的提到台灣因為他是導覽他導覽的時候他在語音上但是因為他是在日文的時候提到那不知道就是說可不可以會同經濟部因為我知道最主要其實是在經濟部在弄那這個會同經濟部看能不能有更多這個語言的一個方式讓台灣可以呈現其實\n台灣我們不去講大家都知道那因為日本當然也是協助我們用玉山這個科技諸事會社去登記了一個叫TEDWORKTEDWORK的但TW這個台灣也是TW但是我覺得這個就很自然的我們現在這種實質參與之後其實也是很有張力\n很多日本人去看的時候打卡上傳那有些人甚至問TW不是台灣打個問號年輕人很有創意變成一個新聞事情我覺得這個也都是在大家覺得怎麼樣透過這樣的一個參與參與就能夠讓大家看見\n至於說有一些官方的一些限制我們盡量去爭取可是我想民間的空間是無限大因為畢竟日本也是一個民主的社會所以這個是委員提到就是說它的台灣元素是具體而為的呈現在這個館我們經濟部不管是我們外貿協會號召了台灣所有的這一些新興科技\n包括AI晶片還有所有的虛實整合的這一些資通訊產業還有智慧的這些解決方案我是覺得就像奧運當時在東京舉行的時候日本的NHK就稱我們是台灣隊是啊那我們有時候\n有時候因為中國的霸道可是大家都知道心照不宣那透過自發性的力量呈現其實有時候適得其反反而對中共來講想打壓我們的效果反而大所以委員也可以去參訪透過委員參訪您也有很多的粉絲以這個方式來幫助讓台灣能夠被世界看見\n不過說到這一個就是說中國的ABA中國的打壓這件事情因為最近也是變得比較嚴重那因為WHO就是也要就WHO的事情所以也差不多要進行了所以我想後面再問一下就是說中越這個我先挑過就是說目前這一個WHO這件事情\n就是因為畢竟離美國離開還有一段時間但是就是說我們之前很著重在2758那現在因為這件事情也快了那這個跟衛福部相關的合作針對這件事情有沒有一個相關的報告跟國人指導一下\n我覺得跟委員報告其實美國雖然對世界衛生組織也許新的政府有一些不同的做法不過對台灣的支持力道並沒有減低今年二月這個在世界衛生組織的執行委員會裡面就是美日等國的這自然公開的對台灣來發聲以外其實中共想要用27582決議來排除台灣他們反而激起了這一些理念相近國家也表態\n這很多都是有幫我們表態2758的所以有時候危機就是轉機因為中共打壓無所不在所以我們怎麼樣能夠透過各界有點是有時候也是借力使力讓台灣的聲音被聽見那可以跟中共我們站在同樣一個舞台上\n大家能夠就是我們能為台灣來發聲對不過我們就是說對外當然我覺得外交部在應對中國威脅那現在當然是預算上有所不足這是一件事但是有一些創意的發想這當然是很好那當然就是內部就是說我那天在去這個學院的時候有特別跟他們提到因為內部我們也可能會有滲透或間諜\n那內部的這個滲透跟間諜除了等一下這個隔壁那個忠誠考核是不是隔壁現在在問我待會去隔壁問但其中有一項就是說這個教學因為在怎麼做一些忠誠考核義務還不如說他在過程當中對這個的學習因為今天我不是說只是要抓比如說被滲透者而已我們還需要一個蠻關鍵的地方就是裡面的人要怎麼知道對方的手法是什麼那我之前在這一個外交學院的時候我就問就是說資安的部分因為之前有建議過然後也已經放進去了\n就是跟資訊滲透有關的那人員滲透有關的如果未來也可以放輕鬆我們那天大概也有一個初步的結論那再請部長就是跟外交學院再提醒一下這件事情的課程的一個整合可能會變得更重要那就是我剛剛也說明賴總統提到的那個所謂的不管是反滲透反併吞那些決議我們外交部現在也在辦理當中所以除了資安人安的部分我們也會特別強調\n因為這個對於外館本身的那些人員他們經常被騷擾又可能被滲透他等於是內外交迫所以這個部分如果能夠給人員更多的訓練的話他們可能更能夠去抵抗中國的威脅關稅的部分我想說很多人問過了那我看有時間差不多我就先不問謝謝部長 謝謝主席謝謝沈培陽周圍上台\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.290 --> 00:01.376\n謝謝主席那有請部長謝謝\n\n00:11.639 --> 00:39.565\n部長好喂好好久不見是因為剛剛前面有接續到這個考核的事情那這個因為我在想說因為今天剛好隔壁這個調查局也有來然後人事總署今天沒有來但是這個考核的事情確實是非常的重要不過我打算等一下到隔壁問所以我就先問個外交不過考核確實真的很重要我今天大概有四個問題第一個當然就是跟我們的預算有關係就是說\n\n00:40.505 --> 01:09.080\n我有看到這一個外交部跟Discovery有合資一些這個紀錄片然後也有得獎那我看到今年的3月16到22有這些這個網紅組團訪台對不對說這一個觀看數是3,500那我覺得這個算是在總和外交裡面非常重要的一環因為它尤其是第二個它已經接觸到一般的人民不只是而且不只是說什麼是單純的知識分子而已就是說很廣泛的一般的庶民都可以去接收到這樣的一個訊息\n\n01:10.440 --> 01:35.868\n但是因為我剛好前陣子就上禮拜了我們有去外交學院那外交學院因為他們現在也有在辦這一個全民外交的課程那他有點是在帶譬如說台灣的一些NGO或者說偏鄉等等之類他們怎麼去加入這個總和外交那但是現在就是他們好不容易如果把人也可以把他訓練出來然後或許也可以跟外交部搭配那國傳司現在這個預算的部分是不是受到比較大的影響\n\n01:36.508 --> 01:41.756\n那目前因為畢竟他已經受到影響了我們大概也不知道能做什麼那現在因應的這個策略有什麼\n\n01:43.001 --> 02:02.113\n因為他不能夠做這些文宣影響真的很大因為你還是要透過一些媒體管道去傳播我當然巧不難為無名之炊但是我當然盡量變通所以我就自己有時候親自上場開記者會然後辦活動然後變成一個議題甚至有爭論都不要緊就吸引國際媒體的報導\n\n02:11.179 --> 02:26.380\n其實國內比較屬於我想大家都了解這個都很關心外交部可是在國際上因為中國它現在是排山倒海的它的所謂的一帶一路這些到很多國家去事實上有一些都已經是\n\n02:28.124 --> 02:56.801\n涉及到違法的行為他也在做那我們要以合法的方式去對抗他然後就宣傳好像參加國際組織我們要讓更多的人來支持台灣的時候我們卻沒有這樣子的一個文宣的費用當然我是這個一方面是很難為但是也很難過啦所以我希望我自己或者像我最近辦這個不管是所謂的大阪世博要去發現要去所謂的尋找台灣FindingTaiwan我就變成一個活動\n\n02:57.581 --> 03:24.233\n然後號召限制各地的人來投件這個就不是宣傳但是它會不會有效果也會有一些突破然後像歐洲像我知道去年奧運我們的文化奧運效果非常好歐洲人很有興趣所以我們今年有推出這個歐洲台灣文化年可是一樣沒有文宣的費用我們只要把外館啊年度性的活動做個檢討之後我們把它聚焦然後以活動或新聞稿或各種方式\n\n03:24.813 --> 03:42.480\n包括一些網紅的邀請那有一些是幾乎半贊助的方式所以委員剛剛提到包括像我們國傳司邀請的四位網紅其中一位啦我舉個例子這個瓜地馬拉的這個網紅他在一週裡面那我也跟他互動他總共接觸到3200萬\n\n03:45.162 --> 04:00.923\n人點閱哦人事啦人事還有西班牙語系啊那這個就是我想國團司也是功不可沒但是畢竟啦我們都要透過活動而不是一般的文宣管道真的也是會有點精疲力竭或是說力有未待\n\n04:01.323 --> 04:16.254\n對因為現在這個砍的這個狀況我就覺得說這個運作非常困難那剛剛聽到部長第一個當然就是透過個人透過個人去參與活動先自己製造新聞這個當然是會稍微比較辛苦一點那另外剛剛有提到像士博這一次已經讓大家看見台灣\n\n04:18.115 --> 04:39.595\n我順便問一下,現在在這個展場,畢竟它不能夠直接弄出台灣的元素,那如果說我們現在要把這個元素增強,這是剛剛講的已經在做了,那第二個就是說,因為我們也有一些在那邊的同仁,他們就有回報說,其實在當地的導覽,\n\n04:41.637 --> 04:58.010\n就日文的導覽他們有不斷的提到台灣因為他是導覽他導覽的時候他在語音上但是因為他是在日文的時候提到那不知道就是說可不可以會同經濟部因為我知道最主要其實是在經濟部在弄那這個會同經濟部看能不能有更多這個語言的一個方式讓台灣可以呈現其實\n\n05:01.104 --> 05:22.872\n台灣我們不去講大家都知道那因為日本當然也是協助我們用玉山這個科技諸事會社去登記了一個叫TEDWORKTEDWORK的但TW這個台灣也是TW但是我覺得這個就很自然的我們現在這種實質參與之後其實也是很有張力\n\n05:23.672 --> 05:29.636\n很多日本人去看的時候打卡上傳那有些人甚至問TW不是台灣打個問號年輕人很有創意變成一個新聞事情我覺得這個也都是在大家覺得怎麼樣透過這樣的一個參與參與就能夠讓大家看見\n\n05:43.846 --> 06:08.558\n至於說有一些官方的一些限制我們盡量去爭取可是我想民間的空間是無限大因為畢竟日本也是一個民主的社會所以這個是委員提到就是說它的台灣元素是具體而為的呈現在這個館我們經濟部不管是我們外貿協會號召了台灣所有的這一些新興科技\n\n06:09.438 --> 06:21.105\n包括AI晶片還有所有的虛實整合的這一些資通訊產業還有智慧的這些解決方案我是覺得就像奧運當時在東京舉行的時候日本的NHK就稱我們是台灣隊是啊那我們有時候\n\n06:30.731 --> 06:49.369\n有時候因為中國的霸道可是大家都知道心照不宣那透過自發性的力量呈現其實有時候適得其反反而對中共來講想打壓我們的效果反而大所以委員也可以去參訪透過委員參訪您也有很多的粉絲以這個方式來幫助讓台灣能夠被世界看見\n\n06:55.735 --> 07:13.024\n不過說到這一個就是說中國的ABA中國的打壓這件事情因為最近也是變得比較嚴重那因為WHO就是也要就WHO的事情所以也差不多要進行了所以我想後面再問一下就是說中越這個我先挑過就是說目前這一個WHO這件事情\n\n07:13.724 --> 07:27.274\n就是因為畢竟離美國離開還有一段時間但是就是說我們之前很著重在2758那現在因為這件事情也快了那這個跟衛福部相關的合作針對這件事情有沒有一個相關的報告跟國人指導一下\n\n07:27.845 --> 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