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00:00:56,610\n我們有多元的管道那除了這個美國貿易代表署以外當然其他的方面我們透過各個管道也都在傳達去但是我們現在是用USTR作為因為你要進入到項目的談判所以我問你一個問題\n\n4\n00:01:12,644 --> 00:01:28,880\n先前我们传出来说我们是在第一批名单的时候指的是在USDR是第一批名单然后先前有说我们有视讯会议然后谈得非常的顺畅也是指的在美国贸易代表USDR这个部分吗\n\n5\n00:01:29,505 --> 00:01:53,123\nUSTR都有在裡面因為它是最主要的主管機關對所以我的意思是說我們在優先名單裡面那是在哪一個的優先名單裡面因為美國針對這個部分它等於是有不同的管道嘛您剛剛也談到了所以我要問的事情是我們當初像民眾說我們在第一批跟以色列一起而且我們做過視訊會議了相談甚歡這個部分我們所接頭的是哪一個單位\n\n6\n00:01:59,451 --> 00:02:19,879\n美國川普政府他們基於他們的主管跟分工那都已經對接了所以不是USTRUSTR是最重要的因為到談判的階段具體的項目一定是USTR他們是跨部會的如果您所說的是我們跟川普政府已經接頭了那就是指的是美國財長囉\n\n7\n00:02:21,820 --> 00:02:25,563\n他們當然會協調我想不只是說財長或者是商務部或者是國務院我想美國政府也是一體的嘛那既然是說那組團因為台美之間長期就是透過我們的OTN跟他的USTR對接對因為這裡面有很多技術所以這個我們當時說跟以色列的第一批是由USTR這裡主導的嗎\n\n8\n00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:53,887\n是因為我們就覺得很奇怪我們大家都以為我們在第一批的談判裡面可是美國財長這邊說的所謂的優先名單五個國家裡面卻沒有談到我們我們可以看到談判時程跟各國的立場其實是日本、韓國、英國、澳洲跟印度他們都已經目標在六週之內或者說最近來跟美國財長這邊來溝通我想要問的是這兩個有什麼差別\n\n9\n00:03:13,743 --> 00:03:18,409\n就是我們當時所說的我們在第一批而且已經視訊而且已經談得很好那跟現在所說的美國首批貿易談判對象的五國六國裡面沒有台灣差異在哪裡可不可以幫我們說明一下\n\n10\n00:03:30,660 --> 00:03:54,893\n因為他列舉這五國並沒有排斥其他國家就像台灣或以色列對但是他是首批嘛我們已經放榜了嘛所以不是現在才上榜我們現在上榜是指上榜啊我們就有在談啊所以說現在進行是所以首批貿易對談判對象在日本、韓國、英國、澳洲、印度他們其實不是首批我們其實比他們還要更前面他說等五國五國等啦不只這五國啊\n\n11\n00:03:57,654 --> 00:04:22,292\n所以我們也包含在這裡面只是他沒有寫出來優先名單也在第一批我們也在第一批所以應該是日本韓國英國澳洲印度加台灣以及其他國家是這樣說嗎對所以你的意思是說美國財長說我們首批貿易談判對象漏掉了台灣沒有漏掉他們已經宣布了就是台灣就是在談\n\n12\n00:04:22,912 --> 00:04:30,962\n沒有啊因為財長所說的東西跟美國USDR所說的內容跟現在上面也沒有以色列啊上面也沒有談嘛因為談判喔他不會是由財長單獨去談嘛他是美國川普政府他盡力分工主管然後看哪一個國家算怎麼樣\n\n13\n00:04:38,991 --> 00:04:54,977\n這個非常有趣就是說在川普任內的體制跟過去有點不一樣很多事情是美國財長他說了算真正跟美國財長有溝通到的像美國財長他每天都有很多川普相關的發言才是最近身到川普身邊能夠去做談判的\n\n14\n00:04:56,758 --> 00:05:17,030\n如果我們走的都是USTR這個路線說我們在USTR裡面排的是首位並不等同於在我們美國財長這邊也就是他真正正式的談判裡面排的是首位那我們應該要怎麼樣讓兩者之間能夠結合在一起呢各位媒體這是第一批的名單就是有台灣那因為這次談除了USTR談的我們一般的所謂的這個貿易涉及的跟關稅有關其實\n\n15\n00:05:24,554 --> 00:05:36,568\n除了對等關稅以外也有那個擴充貿易法案裡面的232條那也有其他的跟投資是啦但是我們現在談的我現在談的就只有在川普的關稅戰的這個部分而已其他的部分我們先不談我們先談關稅戰因為國人最關心的是關稅戰嘛\n\n16\n00:05:46,038 --> 00:05:57,861\n那我們可以看到日本韓國英國澳洲跟印度他們基本上都是很多人他們都比如說已經排定比如說像是當時韓國是下周嘛然後呢這個英國的話是兩國官員已經數週會談那我們看日本日本是他們有這個\n\n17\n00:06:09,324 --> 00:06:13,447\n經濟再生擔當大臣赤澤亮16號到18號訪美那我想問一下我們目前在川普的這個關稅案的談判是政務委員鄭麗君那請問副院長副院長對不起那請問他什麼時候會赴美談判\n\n18\n00:06:28,746 --> 00:06:54,926\n都已經有在洽談談判的時間地點跟方式我只能講說這是同步平行在進行中那我們以台灣跟日本來比較好了這個是在4月17號的時候我們可以看到美國總統川普他祭出對等關稅日本經濟再生大臣赤澤亮到美國去談判他就想說用川普自己的個人賬號寫說有重大的進展\n\n19\n00:06:57,648 --> 00:07:12,364\n也就是日本派出了他們相對應的官員到美國進行談判那我要請問外交部的就是我們台灣接下來會有官員赴美與川普進行談判嗎?\n\n20\n00:07:14,089 --> 00:07:32,685\n也會也會所以會像這個畫面長的這樣子我不知道川普因為他是中間跑進來的你說誰是中間跑進來的我沒辦法決定因為他的這個風格很特別但是我們的規劃目標是像日本這樣子的型態嗎還是我們有其他的目標型態\n\n21\n00:07:33,385 --> 00:07:47,096\n現在跟委員報告我們不管是總統講的台美經貿這個深化的路徑圖或者是我們先前透過視訊雙方面進行已經彙整聚焦的項目都在進行中進行中那請問在什麼時候時間點上面因為談判涉及到雙方面啦當然當然我們知道\n\n22\n00:07:53,901 --> 00:08:11,108\n機密性我今天也沒有問你們談我們今天也沒有問說你們談的是什麼項目這個交給你們自己去處理但是我想要問的是既然您剛剛已經講到了有這麼多的談判項目都已經有非常重大的進展那最後兩個問題一個是我們會不會赴美\n\n23\n00:08:14,509 --> 00:08:25,856\n談判就是公開赴美談判第二個事情是公開赴美談判之後那什麼時候會對國人宣布我們最後的談判結果兩個問題我們都有這樣的準備赴美談判那因為有90天那策略上的怎麼樣去進行因為包括那個美日談判對我們來講也是很重要的參考我們怎麼樣有更多的資訊去對我們最有利的談判\n\n24\n00:08:43,027 --> 00:09:01,902\n那我們要了解美方他現在有一些安排那我們也做好準備所以你剛講的就是說我們會依照這樣的一個我們跟美方談好的節奏來進行目前都是溝通順暢也都按照雙方面的所以我們在90天以內就是說從他宣佈關稅的90天以內會向國人公佈我們所兩邊會談的最終結果嗎\n\n25\n00:09:09,448 --> 00:09:25,194\n一定要公佈我們希望越早但是在第一批裡面其他國家在談我們也要謹慎的很注意去了解所以我們非常確定我們在90天以內儘管它有可能再往後延長的話我們也是鎖定在90天內是嗎對我們當然是以這樣做準備謝謝部長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9\t3010\t謝主席我們請林佳龍部長部長好我也好我想現在大家最關心的都是在這個川普的這個關稅戰裡面雖然延了這個90天可是這代表說我們爭取90天的時間但每一分每一秒其實都是非常珍貴的那我想要先問一下我們目前談判的窗口是美國貿易代表USTR還是美國的財長\n33507\t44250\t大家其實都很擔心的是說因為川普他們的政權的特殊性跟過去美國他在拜登時期是不太一樣的我們針對這個USTR來溝通的話那美國財長這邊那我們有沒有什麼方式能夠比較快的來接近他們\n54168\t56610\t我們有多元的管道那除了這個美國貿易代表署以外當然其他的方面我們透過各個管道也都在傳達去但是我們現在是用USTR作為因為你要進入到項目的談判所以我問你一個問題\n72644\t88880\t先前我们传出来说我们是在第一批名单的时候指的是在USDR是第一批名单然后先前有说我们有视讯会议然后谈得非常的顺畅也是指的在美国贸易代表USDR这个部分吗\n89505\t113123\tUSTR都有在裡面因為它是最主要的主管機關對 所以我的意思是說我們在優先名單裡面那是在哪一個的優先名單裡面因為美國針對這個部分它等於是有不同的管道嘛您剛剛也談到了所以我要問的事情是我們當初像民眾說我們在第一批跟以色列一起而且我們做過視訊會議了相談甚歡這個部分我們所接頭的是哪一個單位\n119451\t139879\t美國川普政府他們基於他們的主管跟分工那都已經對接了所以不是USTRUSTR是最重要的因為到談判的階段具體的項目一定是USTR他們是跨部會的如果您所說的是我們跟川普政府已經接頭了那就是指的是美國財長囉\n141820\t145563\t他們當然會協調我想不只是說財長或者是商務部或者是國務院我想美國政府也是一體的嘛那既然是說那組團因為台美之間長期就是透過我們的OTN跟他的USTR對接對因為這裡面有很多技術所以這個我們當時說跟以色列的第一批是由USTR這裡主導的嗎\n164760\t173887\t是因為我們就覺得很奇怪我們大家都以為我們在第一批的談判裡面可是美國財長這邊說的所謂的優先名單五個國家裡面卻沒有談到我們我們可以看到談判時程跟各國的立場其實是日本、韓國、英國、澳洲跟印度他們都已經目標在六週之內或者說最近來跟美國財長這邊來溝通我想要問的是這兩個有什麼差別\n193743\t198409\t就是我們當時所說的我們在第一批而且已經視訊而且已經談得很好那跟現在所說的美國首批貿易談判對象的五國六國裡面沒有台灣差異在哪裡可不可以幫我們說明一下\n210660\t234893\t因為他列舉這五國並沒有排斥其他國家就像台灣或以色列對但是他是首批嘛我們已經放榜了嘛所以不是現在才上榜我們現在上榜是指上榜啊我們就有在談啊所以說現在進行是所以首批貿易對談判對象在日本、韓國、英國、澳洲、印度他們其實不是首批我們其實比他們還要更前面他說等五國五國等啦不只這五國啊\n237654\t262292\t所以我們也包含在這裡面只是他沒有寫出來優先名單也在第一批我們也在第一批所以應該是日本韓國英國澳洲印度加台灣以及其他國家是這樣說嗎對所以你的意思是說美國財長說我們首批貿易談判對象漏掉了台灣沒有漏掉他們已經宣布了就是台灣就是在談\n262912\t270962\t沒有啊因為財長所說的東西跟美國USDR所說的內容跟現在上面也沒有以色列啊上面也沒有談嘛因為談判喔他不會是由財長單獨去談嘛他是美國川普政府他盡力分工主管然後看哪一個國家算怎麼樣\n278991\t294977\t這個非常有趣就是說在川普任內的體制跟過去有點不一樣很多事情是美國財長他說了算真正跟美國財長有溝通到的像美國財長他每天都有很多川普相關的發言才是最近身到川普身邊能夠去做談判的\n296758\t317030\t如果我們走的都是USTR這個路線說我們在USTR裡面排的是首位並不等同於在我們美國財長這邊也就是他真正正式的談判裡面排的是首位那我們應該要怎麼樣讓兩者之間能夠結合在一起呢各位媒體這是第一批的名單就是有台灣那因為這次談除了USTR談的我們一般的所謂的這個貿易涉及的跟關稅有關其實\n324554\t336568\t除了對等關稅以外也有那個擴充貿易法案裡面的232條那也有其他的跟投資是啦但是我們現在談的我現在談的就只有在川普的關稅戰的這個部分而已其他的部分我們先不談我們先談關稅戰因為國人最關心的是關稅戰嘛\n346038\t357861\t那我們可以看到日本韓國英國澳洲跟印度他們基本上都是很多人他們都比如說已經排定比如說像是當時韓國是下周嘛然後呢這個英國的話是兩國官員已經數週會談那我們看日本日本是他們有這個\n369324\t373447\t經濟再生擔當大臣赤澤亮16號到18號訪美那我想問一下我們目前在川普的這個關稅案的談判是政務委員鄭麗君那請問副院長副院長對不起那請問他什麼時候會赴美談判\n388746\t414926\t都已經有在洽談談判的時間地點跟方式我只能講說這是同步平行在進行中那我們以台灣跟日本來比較好了這個是在4月17號的時候我們可以看到美國總統川普他祭出對等關稅日本經濟再生大臣赤澤亮到美國去談判他就想說用川普自己的個人賬號寫說有重大的進展\n417648\t432364\t也就是日本派出了他們相對應的官員到美國進行談判那我要請問外交部的就是我們台灣接下來會有官員赴美與川普進行談判嗎?\n434089\t452685\t也會也會所以會像這個畫面長的這樣子我不知道川普因為他是中間跑進來的你說誰是中間跑進來的我沒辦法決定因為他的這個風格很特別但是我們的規劃目標是像日本這樣子的型態嗎還是我們有其他的目標型態\n453385\t467096\t現在跟委員報告我們不管是總統講的台美經貿這個深化的路徑圖或者是我們先前透過視訊雙方面進行已經彙整聚焦的項目都在進行中進行中那請問在什麼時候時間點上面因為談判涉及到雙方面啦當然當然我們知道\n473901\t491108\t機密性我今天也沒有問你們談我們今天也沒有問說你們談的是什麼項目這個交給你們自己去處理但是我想要問的是既然您剛剛已經講到了有這麼多的談判項目都已經有非常重大的進展那最後兩個問題一個是我們會不會赴美\n494509\t505856\t談判就是公開赴美談判第二個事情是公開赴美談判之後那什麼時候會對國人宣布我們最後的談判結果兩個問題我們都有這樣的準備赴美談判那因為有90天那策略上的怎麼樣去進行因為包括那個美日談判對我們來講也是很重要的參考我們怎麼樣有更多的資訊去對我們最有利的談判\n523027\t541902\t那我們要了解美方他現在有一些安排那我們也做好準備所以你剛講的就是說我們會依照這樣的一個我們跟美方談好的節奏來進行目前都是溝通順暢也都按照雙方面的所以我們在90天以內就是說從他宣佈關稅的90天以內會向國人公佈我們所兩邊會談的最終結果嗎\n549448\t565194\t一定要公佈我們希望越早但是在第一批裡面其他國家在談我們也要謹慎的很注意去了解所以我們非常確定我們在90天以內儘管它有可能再往後延長的話我們也是鎖定在90天內是嗎對我們當然是以這樣做準備謝謝部長\n","txt":"謝主席我們請林佳龍部長部長好我也好我想現在大家最關心的都是在這個川普的這個關稅戰裡面雖然延了這個90天可是這代表說我們爭取90天的時間但每一分每一秒其實都是非常珍貴的那我想要先問一下我們目前談判的窗口是美國貿易代表USTR還是美國的財長\n大家其實都很擔心的是說因為川普他們的政權的特殊性跟過去美國他在拜登時期是不太一樣的我們針對這個USTR來溝通的話那美國財長這邊那我們有沒有什麼方式能夠比較快的來接近他們\n我們有多元的管道那除了這個美國貿易代表署以外當然其他的方面我們透過各個管道也都在傳達去但是我們現在是用USTR作為因為你要進入到項目的談判所以我問你一個問題\n先前我们传出来说我们是在第一批名单的时候指的是在USDR是第一批名单然后先前有说我们有视讯会议然后谈得非常的顺畅也是指的在美国贸易代表USDR这个部分吗\nUSTR都有在裡面因為它是最主要的主管機關對 所以我的意思是說我們在優先名單裡面那是在哪一個的優先名單裡面因為美國針對這個部分它等於是有不同的管道嘛您剛剛也談到了所以我要問的事情是我們當初像民眾說我們在第一批跟以色列一起而且我們做過視訊會議了相談甚歡這個部分我們所接頭的是哪一個單位\n美國川普政府他們基於他們的主管跟分工那都已經對接了所以不是USTRUSTR是最重要的因為到談判的階段具體的項目一定是USTR他們是跨部會的如果您所說的是我們跟川普政府已經接頭了那就是指的是美國財長囉\n他們當然會協調我想不只是說財長或者是商務部或者是國務院我想美國政府也是一體的嘛那既然是說那組團因為台美之間長期就是透過我們的OTN跟他的USTR對接對因為這裡面有很多技術所以這個我們當時說跟以色列的第一批是由USTR這裡主導的嗎\n是因為我們就覺得很奇怪我們大家都以為我們在第一批的談判裡面可是美國財長這邊說的所謂的優先名單五個國家裡面卻沒有談到我們我們可以看到談判時程跟各國的立場其實是日本、韓國、英國、澳洲跟印度他們都已經目標在六週之內或者說最近來跟美國財長這邊來溝通我想要問的是這兩個有什麼差別\n就是我們當時所說的我們在第一批而且已經視訊而且已經談得很好那跟現在所說的美國首批貿易談判對象的五國六國裡面沒有台灣差異在哪裡可不可以幫我們說明一下\n因為他列舉這五國並沒有排斥其他國家就像台灣或以色列對但是他是首批嘛我們已經放榜了嘛所以不是現在才上榜我們現在上榜是指上榜啊我們就有在談啊所以說現在進行是所以首批貿易對談判對象在日本、韓國、英國、澳洲、印度他們其實不是首批我們其實比他們還要更前面他說等五國五國等啦不只這五國啊\n所以我們也包含在這裡面只是他沒有寫出來優先名單也在第一批我們也在第一批所以應該是日本韓國英國澳洲印度加台灣以及其他國家是這樣說嗎對所以你的意思是說美國財長說我們首批貿易談判對象漏掉了台灣沒有漏掉他們已經宣布了就是台灣就是在談\n沒有啊因為財長所說的東西跟美國USDR所說的內容跟現在上面也沒有以色列啊上面也沒有談嘛因為談判喔他不會是由財長單獨去談嘛他是美國川普政府他盡力分工主管然後看哪一個國家算怎麼樣\n這個非常有趣就是說在川普任內的體制跟過去有點不一樣很多事情是美國財長他說了算真正跟美國財長有溝通到的像美國財長他每天都有很多川普相關的發言才是最近身到川普身邊能夠去做談判的\n如果我們走的都是USTR這個路線說我們在USTR裡面排的是首位並不等同於在我們美國財長這邊也就是他真正正式的談判裡面排的是首位那我們應該要怎麼樣讓兩者之間能夠結合在一起呢各位媒體這是第一批的名單就是有台灣那因為這次談除了USTR談的我們一般的所謂的這個貿易涉及的跟關稅有關其實\n除了對等關稅以外也有那個擴充貿易法案裡面的232條那也有其他的跟投資是啦但是我們現在談的我現在談的就只有在川普的關稅戰的這個部分而已其他的部分我們先不談我們先談關稅戰因為國人最關心的是關稅戰嘛\n那我們可以看到日本韓國英國澳洲跟印度他們基本上都是很多人他們都比如說已經排定比如說像是當時韓國是下周嘛然後呢這個英國的話是兩國官員已經數週會談那我們看日本日本是他們有這個\n經濟再生擔當大臣赤澤亮16號到18號訪美那我想問一下我們目前在川普的這個關稅案的談判是政務委員鄭麗君那請問副院長副院長對不起那請問他什麼時候會赴美談判\n都已經有在洽談談判的時間地點跟方式我只能講說這是同步平行在進行中那我們以台灣跟日本來比較好了這個是在4月17號的時候我們可以看到美國總統川普他祭出對等關稅日本經濟再生大臣赤澤亮到美國去談判他就想說用川普自己的個人賬號寫說有重大的進展\n也就是日本派出了他們相對應的官員到美國進行談判那我要請問外交部的就是我們台灣接下來會有官員赴美與川普進行談判嗎?\n也會也會所以會像這個畫面長的這樣子我不知道川普因為他是中間跑進來的你說誰是中間跑進來的我沒辦法決定因為他的這個風格很特別但是我們的規劃目標是像日本這樣子的型態嗎還是我們有其他的目標型態\n現在跟委員報告我們不管是總統講的台美經貿這個深化的路徑圖或者是我們先前透過視訊雙方面進行已經彙整聚焦的項目都在進行中進行中那請問在什麼時候時間點上面因為談判涉及到雙方面啦當然當然我們知道\n機密性我今天也沒有問你們談我們今天也沒有問說你們談的是什麼項目這個交給你們自己去處理但是我想要問的是既然您剛剛已經講到了有這麼多的談判項目都已經有非常重大的進展那最後兩個問題一個是我們會不會赴美\n談判就是公開赴美談判第二個事情是公開赴美談判之後那什麼時候會對國人宣布我們最後的談判結果兩個問題我們都有這樣的準備赴美談判那因為有90天那策略上的怎麼樣去進行因為包括那個美日談判對我們來講也是很重要的參考我們怎麼樣有更多的資訊去對我們最有利的談判\n那我們要了解美方他現在有一些安排那我們也做好準備所以你剛講的就是說我們會依照這樣的一個我們跟美方談好的節奏來進行目前都是溝通順暢也都按照雙方面的所以我們在90天以內就是說從他宣佈關稅的90天以內會向國人公佈我們所兩邊會談的最終結果嗎\n一定要公佈我們希望越早但是在第一批裡面其他國家在談我們也要謹慎的很注意去了解所以我們非常確定我們在90天以內儘管它有可能再往後延長的話我們也是鎖定在90天內是嗎對我們當然是以這樣做準備謝謝部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 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05:36.568\n除了對等關稅以外也有那個擴充貿易法案裡面的232條那也有其他的跟投資是啦但是我們現在談的我現在談的就只有在川普的關稅戰的這個部分而已其他的部分我們先不談我們先談關稅戰因為國人最關心的是關稅戰嘛\n\n05:46.038 --> 05:57.861\n那我們可以看到日本韓國英國澳洲跟印度他們基本上都是很多人他們都比如說已經排定比如說像是當時韓國是下周嘛然後呢這個英國的話是兩國官員已經數週會談那我們看日本日本是他們有這個\n\n06:09.324 --> 06:13.447\n經濟再生擔當大臣赤澤亮16號到18號訪美那我想問一下我們目前在川普的這個關稅案的談判是政務委員鄭麗君那請問副院長副院長對不起那請問他什麼時候會赴美談判\n\n06:28.746 --> 06:54.926\n都已經有在洽談談判的時間地點跟方式我只能講說這是同步平行在進行中那我們以台灣跟日本來比較好了這個是在4月17號的時候我們可以看到美國總統川普他祭出對等關稅日本經濟再生大臣赤澤亮到美國去談判他就想說用川普自己的個人賬號寫說有重大的進展\n\n06:57.648 --> 07:12.364\n也就是日本派出了他們相對應的官員到美國進行談判那我要請問外交部的就是我們台灣接下來會有官員赴美與川普進行談判嗎?\n\n07:14.089 --> 07:32.685\n也會也會所以會像這個畫面長的這樣子我不知道川普因為他是中間跑進來的你說誰是中間跑進來的我沒辦法決定因為他的這個風格很特別但是我們的規劃目標是像日本這樣子的型態嗎還是我們有其他的目標型態\n\n07:33.385 --> 07:47.096\n現在跟委員報告我們不管是總統講的台美經貿這個深化的路徑圖或者是我們先前透過視訊雙方面進行已經彙整聚焦的項目都在進行中進行中那請問在什麼時候時間點上面因為談判涉及到雙方面啦當然當然我們知道\n\n07:53.901 --> 08:11.108\n機密性我今天也沒有問你們談我們今天也沒有問說你們談的是什麼項目這個交給你們自己去處理但是我想要問的是既然您剛剛已經講到了有這麼多的談判項目都已經有非常重大的進展那最後兩個問題一個是我們會不會赴美\n\n08:14.509 --> 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，第一批名單就是有臺灣，因為這次談的，除了USTR談的一般所謂貿易涉及跟關稅有關，其實除了對等關稅以外，也有擴充貿易法案裡面的232條款，也有其他跟投資相關的……"],["徐委員巧芯：但是我們現在談的……"],["林部長佳龍：涉及跨部會。"],["徐委員巧芯：我現在談的就只有川普關稅戰的這個部分而已，其他的部分我們先不談，我們先談關稅戰，因為國人最關心的是關稅戰，我們可以看到日本、韓國、英國、澳洲和印度基本上都已經排定，比如，韓國是下週，英國是兩國官員已經數週會談。我們看日本，日本經濟再生擔當大臣赤澤亮正16日至18日訪美。我想問一下，我們目前川普關稅案的談判代表是政務委員鄭麗君，請問……"],["林部長佳龍：不是，是副院長。"],["徐委員巧芯：對不起！請問他什麼時候會赴美談判？"],["林部長佳龍：都已經有在洽談談判的時間、地點和方式，我只能講這是同步平行在進行中。"],["徐委員巧芯：我們以臺灣跟日本來比較好了，4月17日我們可以看到美國總統川普祭出對等關稅，日本經濟再生大臣赤澤亮正到美國談判，川普在自己的個人帳號說有重大進展，也就是日本派出了他們相對應的官員到美國進行談判。我要請問外交部的是，我們臺灣接下來會有官員赴美與川普進行談判嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：也會。"],["徐委員巧芯：所以會像這個畫面長這樣子？"],["林部長佳龍：我不知道，因為川普是中間跑進來的。"],["徐委員巧芯：你說誰是中間跑進來的？"],["林部長佳龍：我沒辦法決定，因為他的風格很特別。"],["徐委員巧芯：但是我們的規劃目標是像日本這樣子的型態嗎？還是我們有其他的目標型態？"],["林部長佳龍：先跟委員報告，不管是總統講的臺美經貿深化的路徑圖，或者是我們先前透過視訊雙方面進行已經彙整聚焦的項目，都在進行中。"],["徐委員巧芯：請問在什麼時間點上面可能會公布給大眾？"],["林部長佳龍：因為談判涉及雙方面的機密性……"],["徐委員巧芯：當然，我知道。"],["林部長佳龍：我們也希望不受干擾，能夠順利地進行。"],["徐委員巧芯：我們今天也沒有問你們談的是什麼項目，這個交給你們自己去處理，但是我想要問的是，既然你剛剛已經講到有這麼多的談判項目，都已經有非常重大的進展，最後兩個問題，一個是我們會不會赴美談判，就是公開赴美談判？第二個事情是公開赴美談判之後，什麼時候會對國人宣布我們最後的談判結果？兩個問題。"],["林部長佳龍：我們都有赴美談判這樣的準備，因為有90天，策略上怎麼樣去進行，包括美日談判對我們來講也是很重要的參考，我們怎麼樣有更多的資訊，去進行對我們最有利的談判，我們也要瞭解美方現在有一些安排，我們也做好準備，所以你剛剛講的，我們會依照跟美方談好的節奏來進行，目前都是溝通順暢，也都按照雙方面的準備在進行中。"],["徐委員巧芯：所以我們在90天以內，從他宣布關稅的90天以內，會向國人公布我們兩邊會談的最終結果嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：一定要公布，我們當然希望越早越好。"],["徐委員巧芯：因為他有可能會再延期。"],["林部長佳龍：在第一批裡面其他國家在談，我們也要謹慎地很注意去瞭解，作為參考。"],["徐委員巧芯：所以我們非常確定我們在90天以內，儘管他有可能再往後延長，我們也是鎖定在90天內，是嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：對，我們當然是以這樣做準備。"],["徐委員巧芯：OK！謝謝部長。"],["林部長佳龍：謝謝徐巧芯委員上臺質詢。","現在休息5分鐘，5分鐘後繼續詢答。","休息（11時6分）","繼續開會（11時12分）"],["主席：現在開始開會。","接下來由黃國昌委員上臺質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":98,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-35-9","speakers":["黃仁","羅美玲","陳俊宇","陳冠廷","沈伯洋","林楚茵","王定宇","馬文君","徐巧芯","黃國昌","廖先翔","王鴻薇","張啓楷","李坤城","林憶君"],"page_start":57,"meetingDate":["2025-04-21"],"gazette_id":"1144001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1144001_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第9次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請外交部部長林佳龍報告業務概況，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1144001_00002"}}}