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00:01:40,124\n業務會凍結50%影響不是只有50%因為很多業務是要先期規劃去洽商才能夠未來同意之後來執行所以我想這一次的凍結數因為是一個統動所以它沒有去分項目所以有些項目你會發現說會影響我們政務的推動尤其是外管\n\n5\n00:01:40,924 --> 00:02:06,889\n因為很多的外交其實是交涉都要一年以上的時間才能夠逐步的進行所以可能當時並沒有考慮到外交的一個特色所以我們這部分也是說有請求就是說如果以前是有委員會來解凍如果也許針對外交部分大院能夠能夠正在這個決議做一些新的通過的提案\n\n6\n00:02:08,249 --> 00:02:30,095\n讓外交可以我們可以不受這個洞穴這樣子影響因為現在影響已經產生了產生什麼影響有沒有一些比較具體的不是有一些我們在外館當然有些固定支出除了這個水電房租就是有一些約用人員其實我們高度的也是需要一些約\n\n7\n00:02:32,216 --> 00:02:52,875\n聘僱的人員那些在管務的經營上是很重要那尤其有一些領務或有一些行政協助的事項那雖然這些只是一個機關裡面的可能在最基層的執行人員可是因為我們要減少我們一些公務的負擔我們不可能都用公務員嘛這個部分的影響是相當大的在外觀\n\n8\n00:02:54,157 --> 00:03:11,853\n提到外管的事情我請教一下部長這個我們在國外有租用的117間的社管然後是不是有可能在7月就可能繳不出房租那就算是我們有這個自有的住外的管社會不會也因為到了7月繳不出水電費無法正常營運其實這個部分\n\n9\n00:03:15,342 --> 00:03:42,641\n因為公務員他都會很就是說依法行政所以如果說大院能夠有解釋這個部分可以除外或者是我們的這個主緝單位能夠有統一的解釋那我不是指的處長啦我指的是說整個行政院跟立法院之間能夠就因為這個事情真的是會傷害到我們外交嘛這個部分那當然\n\n10\n00:03:44,822 --> 00:03:58,895\n這些所謂固定的支出是不是就要算在這個所謂凍三的這個統凍的範圍這個也是另外一個可以大家來討論的方向但是它就是一起刪的嘛因為這是含在業務費裡面\n\n11\n00:03:59,616 --> 00:04:19,134\n三就三就沒辦法啦要去追加與否嘛但是我說動的部分其實動有時候比三影響的更大它的傷害因為它不確定性因為你會不會解凍因為我們必須尊重立法院職權也許最後動了之後最後沒有通過解凍啊有可能啊不能夠排除這種可能啊\n\n12\n00:04:20,075 --> 00:04:34,201\n那會不會發生就是說將來有一天或是最近我們的副院長曾立軍要到美國去做這個談判然後到了美國連一個能夠開燈的辦公室都沒有會不會最快發生這種情況六月之前是目前沒有動的這個部分因為他這個是要\n\n13\n00:04:45,278 --> 00:04:57,545\n就是一半嘛我們當然可以會移緩季節我們怎麼樣去針對那因為這次規定齁其實這次也是麻煩欸不能留用對啊就不能留用很多項目不能留用所以就沒有辦法來這個\n\n14\n00:04:59,567 --> 00:05:12,978\n這個所謂的不管已婉即即或者是留用不過這樣如果是上半年因為川普講這90天應該是在我們最近的就是會來執行我也不希望這個事情發生這個部分我們為了確保國家利益我是無論如何一定要讓我們團隊能夠順利出發如果到美國去的話\n\n15\n00:05:21,766 --> 00:05:45,178\n好那最後一個問題因為這個在4月16號發生要罷免我的領銜人在這個新北地檢應訊的時候這一個穿著這個納粹的背章然後拿著這個希特勒的我的奮鬥的書然後甚至還舉這個希特勒這個鏡手裡引起了這個外交事件這是國際醜聞這包含這個以色列駐台代表有個聲明他說這個呢\n\n16\n00:05:48,279 --> 00:06:02,086\n這個對於在台灣納稅標誌還有希特勒著作遭公開展示一事表達深切的關切與強烈的譴責然後呢德國在台協會呢也是他說呢這件事情呢是帶有政治目的是一個無恥的行為這兩個聲明呢\n\n17\n00:06:05,667 --> 00:06:27,043\n幾乎就是在國民黨的黨主席朱立倫他在第一時間沒有承認說這是一個錯誤的事情反而拿這件事情再來消費民進黨我就看到了不論是德國在台協會或是以色列駐台代表馬上發出了這兩個嚴重的聲明那我再請教一下部長我們台灣民主集結會預定在這個月的月底\n\n18\n00:06:27,563 --> 00:06:55,464\n是不是會跟這個德國在台協會還有以色列在台的這個辦事處會共同舉辦一個國際猶太大屠殺紀念日的活動對這個活動我們去年也都有舉辦那個今年也都有外交部也都會支持也會參與副執行長有在場能不能就這個活動再做個說明那尤其在4月16日發生這件事情之後對於我們辦這個活動有什麼樣的影響\n\n19\n00:06:56,825 --> 00:07:17,835\n報告委員,我想辦理這樣子一個活動,我們台灣民主基金會是抱持著一個我們緬懷過去,我們不能遺忘過去,同時更重要的是要能夠積極的提倡我們台灣內部,對於這樣子一個在人類歷史上發生過這樣的悲慘的悲劇,這樣子一段歷史要能夠記憶,同時我們也要避免未來悲劇會持續的發生。\n\n20\n00:07:19,556 --> 00:07:38,572\n接下來我們會跟以色列駐台北的辦事處還有德國在台協會我們一起來共構這樣子的一個活動屆時也會有國內非常多的先進然後包括我們的總統也都會依照往例都會出席今年也設計了相當多元的一些活動\n\n21\n00:07:39,292 --> 00:07:52,118\n那主要的目標還是要提醒我們的公眾在這樣子的一個議題上面基本上它是一個沒有模糊空間我們對於這個人道對於人類歷史我們是應該要能夠正視這個活動是幾號開始辦\n\n22\n00:07:55,095 --> 00:08:15,178\n以我這個目前知道是4月23號4月23號辦那這個也有邀請總統來參加就對了那我在想說這件事情發生之後因為以色列跟德國代表處他們都有發出聲明他們有沒有來跟外交部來講這件事情來部長我們都有保持聯繫所以其實外交部\n\n23\n00:08:16,533 --> 00:08:29,702\n在第一時間我在群組裡面而且我對用字譴制我是很慎重就是說外交部對這種以極為不當的方式表達個人意見與嚴正譴責就是說嚴正譴責就是\n\n24\n00:08:33,624 --> 00:08:51,978\n我想在外交上面是很重的就是我們對這件事情非常的重視而且認為這個是破壞台灣整體的形象而且傷害其他國家人民的感情我們不容許這個有模糊的空間這一點我們也需要\n\n25\n00:08:54,219 --> 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辛苦了這個我早上聽到很多委員在講說那為什麼我們行政院或是外交部預算不趕快解凍啊我在想說那為什麼當時候要去刪預算要去凍結預算早知如此何必當初啊我來看一下在總預算通過之後那您有寫到台灣在世界舞台已被消音\n28815\t32617\t那其中關於業務費凍結了50%,37.64億然後媒體政策還有業務宣傳的經費全數刪除1.11億然後國外旅費刪減了15%,總計1.58億所以前陣子我有看到媒體有在寫\n50255\t71704\t這個有關於外交部的這個業務費凍結50%要執行30%之後才能升級解凍而且呢解凍呢要經過立法院的院會同意才有辦法凍之那所以我剛剛聽到很多這個立委在講啦說趕快解凍啊現在不是已經快要三分之一了啦那為什麼當時候業務費要凍到50%那業務費凍到50%有什麼樣的影響部長能不能再做個說明\n79958\t100124\t業務會凍結50%影響不是只有50%因為很多業務是要先期規劃去洽商才能夠未來同意之後來執行所以我想這一次的凍結數因為是一個統動所以它沒有去分項目所以有些項目你會發現說會影響我們政務的推動尤其是外管\n100924\t126889\t因為很多的外交其實是交涉都要一年以上的時間才能夠逐步的進行所以可能當時並沒有考慮到外交的一個特色所以我們這部分也是說有請求就是說如果以前是有委員會來解凍如果也許針對外交部分大院能夠能夠正在這個決議做一些新的通過的提案\n128249\t150095\t讓外交可以 我們可以不受這個洞穴這樣子影響因為現在影響已經產生了產生什麼影響 有沒有一些比較具體的不是 有一些我們在外館當然有些固定支出 除了這個水電房租就是有一些約用人員 其實我們高度的也是需要一些約\n152216\t172875\t聘僱的人員那些在管務的經營上是很重要那尤其有一些領務或有一些行政協助的事項那雖然這些只是一個機關裡面的可能在最基層的執行人員可是因為我們要減少我們一些公務的負擔我們不可能都用公務員嘛這個部分的影響是相當大的在外觀\n174157\t191853\t提到外管的事情我請教一下部長這個我們在國外有租用的117間的社管然後是不是有可能在7月就可能繳不出房租那就算是我們有這個自有的住外的管社會不會也因為到了7月繳不出水電費無法正常營運其實這個部分\n195342\t222641\t因為公務員他都會很就是說依法行政所以如果說大院能夠有解釋這個部分可以除外或者是我們的這個主緝單位能夠有統一的解釋那我不是指的處長啦我指的是說整個行政院跟立法院之間能夠就因為這個事情真的是會傷害到我們外交嘛這個部分那當然\n224822\t238895\t這些所謂固定的支出是不是就要算在這個所謂凍三的這個統凍的範圍這個也是另外一個可以大家來討論的方向但是它就是一起刪的嘛因為這是含在業務費裡面\n239616\t259134\t三就三就沒辦法啦要去追加與否嘛但是我說動的部分其實動有時候比三影響的更大它的傷害因為它不確定性因為你會不會解凍因為我們必須尊重立法院職權也許最後動了之後最後沒有通過解凍啊有可能啊不能夠排除這種可能啊\n260075\t274201\t那會不會發生就是說 將來有一天或是最近我們的副院長曾立軍要到美國去做這個談判然後到了美國 連一個能夠開燈的辦公室都沒有會不會最快發生這種情況六月之前是 目前沒有動的這個部分因為他這個是要\n285278\t297545\t就是一半嘛我們當然可以會移緩季節我們怎麼樣去針對那因為這次規定齁其實這次也是麻煩欸不能留用對啊就不能留用很多項目不能留用所以就沒有辦法來這個\n299567\t312978\t這個所謂的不管已婉即即或者是留用不過這樣如果是上半年因為川普講這90天應該是在我們最近的就是會來執行我也不希望這個事情發生這個部分我們為了確保國家利益我是無論如何一定要讓我們團隊能夠順利出發如果到美國去的話\n321766\t345178\t好 那最後一個問題 因為這個在4月16號發生要罷免我的領銜人在這個新北地檢應訊的時候這一個穿著這個納粹的背章然後拿著這個希特勒的我的奮鬥的書然後甚至還舉這個希特勒這個鏡手裡引起了這個外交事件這是國際醜聞這包含這個以色列駐台代表有個聲明他說這個呢\n348279\t362086\t這個對於在台灣納稅標誌還有希特勒著作遭公開展示一事表達深切的關切與強烈的譴責然後呢德國在台協會呢也是他說呢這件事情呢是帶有政治目的是一個無恥的行為這兩個聲明呢\n365667\t387043\t幾乎就是在國民黨的黨主席朱立倫他在第一時間沒有承認說這是一個錯誤的事情反而拿這件事情再來消費民進黨我就看到了不論是德國在台協會或是以色列駐台代表馬上發出了這兩個嚴重的聲明那我再請教一下部長我們台灣民主集結會預定在這個月的月底\n387563\t415464\t是不是會跟這個德國在台協會還有以色列在台的這個辦事處會共同舉辦一個國際猶太大屠殺紀念日的活動對這個活動我們去年也都有舉辦那個今年也都有外交部也都會支持也會參與副執行長有在場能不能就這個活動再做個說明那尤其在4月16日發生這件事情之後對於我們辦這個活動有什麼樣的影響\n416825\t437835\t報告委員,我想辦理這樣子一個活動,我們台灣民主基金會是抱持著一個我們緬懷過去,我們不能遺忘過去,同時更重要的是要能夠積極的提倡我們台灣內部,對於這樣子一個在人類歷史上發生過這樣的悲慘的悲劇,這樣子一段歷史要能夠記憶,同時我們也要避免未來悲劇會持續的發生。\n439556\t458572\t接下來我們會跟以色列駐台北的辦事處還有德國在台協會我們一起來共構這樣子的一個活動屆時也會有國內非常多的先進然後包括我們的總統也都會依照往例都會出席今年也設計了相當多元的一些活動\n459292\t472118\t那主要的目標還是要提醒我們的公眾在這樣子的一個議題上面基本上它是一個沒有模糊空間我們對於這個人道對於人類歷史我們是應該要能夠正視這個活動是幾號開始辦\n475095\t495178\t以我這個目前知道是4月23號4月23號辦那這個也有邀請總統來參加就對了那我在想說這件事情發生之後因為以色列跟德國代表處他們都有發出聲明他們有沒有來跟外交部來講這件事情來 部長我們都有保持聯繫所以其實外交部\n496533\t509702\t在第一時間我在群組裡面而且我對用字譴制我是很慎重就是說外交部對這種以極為不當的方式表達個人意見與嚴正譴責就是說嚴正譴責就是\n513624\t531978\t我想在外交上面是很重的就是我們對這件事情非常的重視而且認為這個是破壞台灣整體的形象而且傷害其他國家人民的感情我們不容許這個有模糊的空間這一點我們也需要\n534219\t538461\t這個是不幸的事情 我說包括這位去用納粹符號跟旗幟去表態的這位國人我們也希望能夠作為一個負面教材\n549446\t577839\t一個機會教育一個負面的示範避免未來再發生我們也必須要利用這個事件來告訴國人這件事情是一個歷史的悲劇是人類可以說一個大慘劇我們不能夠把它當作一般的事情好像只是在嘲諷或是想要用這個東西去表達抗議這是沒有能夠混淆或模糊的空間\n578379\t596886\t那以色列或是德國代表處有來跟外交部特別提到這件事情嗎?我們亞非斯負責的業務都有跟他們很密切的聯繫,尤其最近要舉辦這一個所謂國際猶太大屠殺紀念日活動,我們很密切的來聯繫,我們也會支持跟參與。\n598526\t620896\t我是希望說這件事情在當天的這個活動裡面能夠再把它做個說明我最後也希望說能夠國人跟政府一起攜手努力我們展現台灣是一個民主自由尊重人權的國家對世界上不同的文化宗教跟族群要有同理心來實現更美好更有包容性的未來\n","txt":"主席 我們請外交部林部長主席好 委員好部長好 辛苦了這個我早上聽到很多委員在講說那為什麼我們行政院或是外交部預算不趕快解凍啊我在想說那為什麼當時候要去刪預算要去凍結預算早知如此何必當初啊我來看一下在總預算通過之後那您有寫到台灣在世界舞台已被消音\n那其中關於業務費凍結了50%,37.64億然後媒體政策還有業務宣傳的經費全數刪除1.11億然後國外旅費刪減了15%,總計1.58億所以前陣子我有看到媒體有在寫\n這個有關於外交部的這個業務費凍結50%要執行30%之後才能升級解凍而且呢解凍呢要經過立法院的院會同意才有辦法凍之那所以我剛剛聽到很多這個立委在講啦說趕快解凍啊現在不是已經快要三分之一了啦那為什麼當時候業務費要凍到50%那業務費凍到50%有什麼樣的影響部長能不能再做個說明\n業務會凍結50%影響不是只有50%因為很多業務是要先期規劃去洽商才能夠未來同意之後來執行所以我想這一次的凍結數因為是一個統動所以它沒有去分項目所以有些項目你會發現說會影響我們政務的推動尤其是外管\n因為很多的外交其實是交涉都要一年以上的時間才能夠逐步的進行所以可能當時並沒有考慮到外交的一個特色所以我們這部分也是說有請求就是說如果以前是有委員會來解凍如果也許針對外交部分大院能夠能夠正在這個決議做一些新的通過的提案\n讓外交可以 我們可以不受這個洞穴這樣子影響因為現在影響已經產生了產生什麼影響 有沒有一些比較具體的不是 有一些我們在外館當然有些固定支出 除了這個水電房租就是有一些約用人員 其實我們高度的也是需要一些約\n聘僱的人員那些在管務的經營上是很重要那尤其有一些領務或有一些行政協助的事項那雖然這些只是一個機關裡面的可能在最基層的執行人員可是因為我們要減少我們一些公務的負擔我們不可能都用公務員嘛這個部分的影響是相當大的在外觀\n提到外管的事情我請教一下部長這個我們在國外有租用的117間的社管然後是不是有可能在7月就可能繳不出房租那就算是我們有這個自有的住外的管社會不會也因為到了7月繳不出水電費無法正常營運其實這個部分\n因為公務員他都會很就是說依法行政所以如果說大院能夠有解釋這個部分可以除外或者是我們的這個主緝單位能夠有統一的解釋那我不是指的處長啦我指的是說整個行政院跟立法院之間能夠就因為這個事情真的是會傷害到我們外交嘛這個部分那當然\n這些所謂固定的支出是不是就要算在這個所謂凍三的這個統凍的範圍這個也是另外一個可以大家來討論的方向但是它就是一起刪的嘛因為這是含在業務費裡面\n三就三就沒辦法啦要去追加與否嘛但是我說動的部分其實動有時候比三影響的更大它的傷害因為它不確定性因為你會不會解凍因為我們必須尊重立法院職權也許最後動了之後最後沒有通過解凍啊有可能啊不能夠排除這種可能啊\n那會不會發生就是說 將來有一天或是最近我們的副院長曾立軍要到美國去做這個談判然後到了美國 連一個能夠開燈的辦公室都沒有會不會最快發生這種情況六月之前是 目前沒有動的這個部分因為他這個是要\n就是一半嘛我們當然可以會移緩季節我們怎麼樣去針對那因為這次規定齁其實這次也是麻煩欸不能留用對啊就不能留用很多項目不能留用所以就沒有辦法來這個\n這個所謂的不管已婉即即或者是留用不過這樣如果是上半年因為川普講這90天應該是在我們最近的就是會來執行我也不希望這個事情發生這個部分我們為了確保國家利益我是無論如何一定要讓我們團隊能夠順利出發如果到美國去的話\n好 那最後一個問題 因為這個在4月16號發生要罷免我的領銜人在這個新北地檢應訊的時候這一個穿著這個納粹的背章然後拿著這個希特勒的我的奮鬥的書然後甚至還舉這個希特勒這個鏡手裡引起了這個外交事件這是國際醜聞這包含這個以色列駐台代表有個聲明他說這個呢\n這個對於在台灣納稅標誌還有希特勒著作遭公開展示一事表達深切的關切與強烈的譴責然後呢德國在台協會呢也是他說呢這件事情呢是帶有政治目的是一個無恥的行為這兩個聲明呢\n幾乎就是在國民黨的黨主席朱立倫他在第一時間沒有承認說這是一個錯誤的事情反而拿這件事情再來消費民進黨我就看到了不論是德國在台協會或是以色列駐台代表馬上發出了這兩個嚴重的聲明那我再請教一下部長我們台灣民主集結會預定在這個月的月底\n是不是會跟這個德國在台協會還有以色列在台的這個辦事處會共同舉辦一個國際猶太大屠殺紀念日的活動對這個活動我們去年也都有舉辦那個今年也都有外交部也都會支持也會參與副執行長有在場能不能就這個活動再做個說明那尤其在4月16日發生這件事情之後對於我們辦這個活動有什麼樣的影響\n報告委員,我想辦理這樣子一個活動,我們台灣民主基金會是抱持著一個我們緬懷過去,我們不能遺忘過去,同時更重要的是要能夠積極的提倡我們台灣內部,對於這樣子一個在人類歷史上發生過這樣的悲慘的悲劇,這樣子一段歷史要能夠記憶,同時我們也要避免未來悲劇會持續的發生。\n接下來我們會跟以色列駐台北的辦事處還有德國在台協會我們一起來共構這樣子的一個活動屆時也會有國內非常多的先進然後包括我們的總統也都會依照往例都會出席今年也設計了相當多元的一些活動\n那主要的目標還是要提醒我們的公眾在這樣子的一個議題上面基本上它是一個沒有模糊空間我們對於這個人道對於人類歷史我們是應該要能夠正視這個活動是幾號開始辦\n以我這個目前知道是4月23號4月23號辦那這個也有邀請總統來參加就對了那我在想說這件事情發生之後因為以色列跟德國代表處他們都有發出聲明他們有沒有來跟外交部來講這件事情來 部長我們都有保持聯繫所以其實外交部\n在第一時間我在群組裡面而且我對用字譴制我是很慎重就是說外交部對這種以極為不當的方式表達個人意見與嚴正譴責就是說嚴正譴責就是\n我想在外交上面是很重的就是我們對這件事情非常的重視而且認為這個是破壞台灣整體的形象而且傷害其他國家人民的感情我們不容許這個有模糊的空間這一點我們也需要\n這個是不幸的事情 我說包括這位去用納粹符號跟旗幟去表態的這位國人我們也希望能夠作為一個負面教材\n一個機會教育一個負面的示範避免未來再發生我們也必須要利用這個事件來告訴國人這件事情是一個歷史的悲劇是人類可以說一個大慘劇我們不能夠把它當作一般的事情好像只是在嘲諷或是想要用這個東西去表達抗議這是沒有能夠混淆或模糊的空間\n那以色列或是德國代表處有來跟外交部特別提到這件事情嗎?我們亞非斯負責的業務都有跟他們很密切的聯繫,尤其最近要舉辦這一個所謂國際猶太大屠殺紀念日活動,我們很密切的來聯繫,我們也會支持跟參與。\n我是希望說這件事情在當天的這個活動裡面能夠再把它做個說明我最後也希望說能夠國人跟政府一起攜手努力我們展現台灣是一個民主自由尊重人權的國家對世界上不同的文化宗教跟族群要有同理心來實現更美好更有包容性的未來\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.269 --> 00:27.955\n主席我們請外交部林部長主席好委員好部長好辛苦了這個我早上聽到很多委員在講說那為什麼我們行政院或是外交部預算不趕快解凍啊我在想說那為什麼當時候要去刪預算要去凍結預算早知如此何必當初啊我來看一下在總預算通過之後那您有寫到台灣在世界舞台已被消音\n\n00:28.815 --> 00:32.617\n那其中關於業務費凍結了50%,37.64億然後媒體政策還有業務宣傳的經費全數刪除1.11億然後國外旅費刪減了15%,總計1.58億所以前陣子我有看到媒體有在寫\n\n00:50.255 --> 01:11.704\n這個有關於外交部的這個業務費凍結50%要執行30%之後才能升級解凍而且呢解凍呢要經過立法院的院會同意才有辦法凍之那所以我剛剛聽到很多這個立委在講啦說趕快解凍啊現在不是已經快要三分之一了啦那為什麼當時候業務費要凍到50%那業務費凍到50%有什麼樣的影響部長能不能再做個說明\n\n01:19.958 --> 01:40.124\n業務會凍結50%影響不是只有50%因為很多業務是要先期規劃去洽商才能夠未來同意之後來執行所以我想這一次的凍結數因為是一個統動所以它沒有去分項目所以有些項目你會發現說會影響我們政務的推動尤其是外管\n\n01:40.924 --> 02:06.889\n因為很多的外交其實是交涉都要一年以上的時間才能夠逐步的進行所以可能當時並沒有考慮到外交的一個特色所以我們這部分也是說有請求就是說如果以前是有委員會來解凍如果也許針對外交部分大院能夠能夠正在這個決議做一些新的通過的提案\n\n02:08.249 --> 02:30.095\n讓外交可以我們可以不受這個洞穴這樣子影響因為現在影響已經產生了產生什麼影響有沒有一些比較具體的不是有一些我們在外館當然有些固定支出除了這個水電房租就是有一些約用人員其實我們高度的也是需要一些約\n\n02:32.216 --> 02:52.875\n聘僱的人員那些在管務的經營上是很重要那尤其有一些領務或有一些行政協助的事項那雖然這些只是一個機關裡面的可能在最基層的執行人員可是因為我們要減少我們一些公務的負擔我們不可能都用公務員嘛這個部分的影響是相當大的在外觀\n\n02:54.157 --> 03:11.853\n提到外管的事情我請教一下部長這個我們在國外有租用的117間的社管然後是不是有可能在7月就可能繳不出房租那就算是我們有這個自有的住外的管社會不會也因為到了7月繳不出水電費無法正常營運其實這個部分\n\n03:15.342 --> 03:42.641\n因為公務員他都會很就是說依法行政所以如果說大院能夠有解釋這個部分可以除外或者是我們的這個主緝單位能夠有統一的解釋那我不是指的處長啦我指的是說整個行政院跟立法院之間能夠就因為這個事情真的是會傷害到我們外交嘛這個部分那當然\n\n03:44.822 --> 03:58.895\n這些所謂固定的支出是不是就要算在這個所謂凍三的這個統凍的範圍這個也是另外一個可以大家來討論的方向但是它就是一起刪的嘛因為這是含在業務費裡面\n\n03:59.616 --> 04:19.134\n三就三就沒辦法啦要去追加與否嘛但是我說動的部分其實動有時候比三影響的更大它的傷害因為它不確定性因為你會不會解凍因為我們必須尊重立法院職權也許最後動了之後最後沒有通過解凍啊有可能啊不能夠排除這種可能啊\n\n04:20.075 --> 04:34.201\n那會不會發生就是說將來有一天或是最近我們的副院長曾立軍要到美國去做這個談判然後到了美國連一個能夠開燈的辦公室都沒有會不會最快發生這種情況六月之前是目前沒有動的這個部分因為他這個是要\n\n04:45.278 --> 04:57.545\n就是一半嘛我們當然可以會移緩季節我們怎麼樣去針對那因為這次規定齁其實這次也是麻煩欸不能留用對啊就不能留用很多項目不能留用所以就沒有辦法來這個\n\n04:59.567 --> 05:12.978\n這個所謂的不管已婉即即或者是留用不過這樣如果是上半年因為川普講這90天應該是在我們最近的就是會來執行我也不希望這個事情發生這個部分我們為了確保國家利益我是無論如何一定要讓我們團隊能夠順利出發如果到美國去的話\n\n05:21.766 --> 05:45.178\n好那最後一個問題因為這個在4月16號發生要罷免我的領銜人在這個新北地檢應訊的時候這一個穿著這個納粹的背章然後拿著這個希特勒的我的奮鬥的書然後甚至還舉這個希特勒這個鏡手裡引起了這個外交事件這是國際醜聞這包含這個以色列駐台代表有個聲明他說這個呢\n\n05:48.279 --> 06:02.086\n這個對於在台灣納稅標誌還有希特勒著作遭公開展示一事表達深切的關切與強烈的譴責然後呢德國在台協會呢也是他說呢這件事情呢是帶有政治目的是一個無恥的行為這兩個聲明呢\n\n06:05.667 --> 06:27.043\n幾乎就是在國民黨的黨主席朱立倫他在第一時間沒有承認說這是一個錯誤的事情反而拿這件事情再來消費民進黨我就看到了不論是德國在台協會或是以色列駐台代表馬上發出了這兩個嚴重的聲明那我再請教一下部長我們台灣民主集結會預定在這個月的月底\n\n06:27.563 --> 06:55.464\n是不是會跟這個德國在台協會還有以色列在台的這個辦事處會共同舉辦一個國際猶太大屠殺紀念日的活動對這個活動我們去年也都有舉辦那個今年也都有外交部也都會支持也會參與副執行長有在場能不能就這個活動再做個說明那尤其在4月16日發生這件事情之後對於我們辦這個活動有什麼樣的影響\n\n06:56.825 --> 07:17.835\n報告委員,我想辦理這樣子一個活動,我們台灣民主基金會是抱持著一個我們緬懷過去,我們不能遺忘過去,同時更重要的是要能夠積極的提倡我們台灣內部,對於這樣子一個在人類歷史上發生過這樣的悲慘的悲劇,這樣子一段歷史要能夠記憶,同時我們也要避免未來悲劇會持續的發生。\n\n07:19.556 --> 07:38.572\n接下來我們會跟以色列駐台北的辦事處還有德國在台協會我們一起來共構這樣子的一個活動屆時也會有國內非常多的先進然後包括我們的總統也都會依照往例都會出席今年也設計了相當多元的一些活動\n\n07:39.292 --> 07:52.118\n那主要的目標還是要提醒我們的公眾在這樣子的一個議題上面基本上它是一個沒有模糊空間我們對於這個人道對於人類歷史我們是應該要能夠正視這個活動是幾號開始辦\n\n07:55.095 --> 08:15.178\n以我這個目前知道是4月23號4月23號辦那這個也有邀請總統來參加就對了那我在想說這件事情發生之後因為以色列跟德國代表處他們都有發出聲明他們有沒有來跟外交部來講這件事情來部長我們都有保持聯繫所以其實外交部\n\n08:16.533 --> 08:29.702\n在第一時間我在群組裡面而且我對用字譴制我是很慎重就是說外交部對這種以極為不當的方式表達個人意見與嚴正譴責就是說嚴正譴責就是\n\n08:33.624 --> 08:51.978\n我想在外交上面是很重的就是我們對這件事情非常的重視而且認為這個是破壞台灣整體的形象而且傷害其他國家人民的感情我們不容許這個有模糊的空間這一點我們也需要\n\n08:54.219 --> 08:58.461\n這個是不幸的事情我說包括這位去用納粹符號跟旗幟去表態的這位國人我們也希望能夠作為一個負面教材\n\n09:09.446 --> 09:37.839\n一個機會教育一個負面的示範避免未來再發生我們也必須要利用這個事件來告訴國人這件事情是一個歷史的悲劇是人類可以說一個大慘劇我們不能夠把它當作一般的事情好像只是在嘲諷或是想要用這個東西去表達抗議這是沒有能夠混淆或模糊的空間\n\n09:38.379 --> 09:56.886\n那以色列或是德國代表處有來跟外交部特別提到這件事情嗎?我們亞非斯負責的業務都有跟他們很密切的聯繫,尤其最近要舉辦這一個所謂國際猶太大屠殺紀念日活動,我們很密切的來聯繫,我們也會支持跟參與。\n\n09:58.526 --> 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