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00:02:30,183\n如何規劃這個就是希望部長能夠給你一個答覆只是我們部長很機靈是部長是部長很機靈嗎部長在當場的時候我覺得他是誠實的他知道作為一個部長這樣的資訊本來就是公開是院長您太狡猾\n\n7\n00:02:31,035 --> 00:02:44,175\n我告诉您您今天连个短短五分钟的咨询影片您都没有看过你就在夏香宣讲的时候乱造谣我什么时候我有说过地图这两个字\n\n8\n00:02:45,619 --> 00:03:13,889\n我真的是很供應戰我告訴你那是現在法規裡面就有規定的這個是在國防手冊裡面清楚揭露我今天如果不是透過我翁小玲委員的質詢告訴大家說我們還有一個辦法是在規範民生必需品短缺時期的配售供應戰我告訴你這個部分很多的老百姓是不知道的\n\n9\n00:03:14,409 --> 00:03:40,855\n根本不知道這是寫在國防手冊裡面的而很遺憾的沒想到連院長你也不知道由此可見你民進黨政府所說的什麼全民防衛任性這根本都說假的你們連宣傳都不知道你連相關的法規相關的問題都不知道在哪裡我更遺憾的是你又說錯了我剛剛說我現場沒有看到事後當然有看到你沒有看過我執行的影片就信口開河你就造謠\n\n10\n00:03:43,266 --> 00:03:59,103\n今天从我是第三位质询委员从第一位委员第二位委员到我我相信之后还会有很多的委员会质疑卓院长您所领导的内阁你不仅仅是这个最会复义的内阁\n\n11\n00:04:00,117 --> 00:04:27,491\n我看現在也是最會造謠的內閣所以我今天很遺憾我原本以為院長您是看過我的質詢影片你才做這樣的發言但是沒有想到你連看都沒有看過我沒有說我沒有看過啊我說現場我說現場我說現場我沒有看到事後我都知道我哪有說我沒有看過事後我都知道你有看過我的影片嗎你沒有你剛剛說過了好不重要現在你已經說了\n\n12\n00:04:30,112 --> 00:04:32,694\n你在夏湘演講的時候你有說我為什麼要這個所值\n\n13\n00:04:43,049 --> 00:04:58,873\n我為什麼要請農業部部長提供給我有關於林森必需品這個配售站的相關的資訊你當時說是你想知道還是想讓誰知道我在這邊很嚴正的告訴院長我想讓誰知道\n\n14\n00:05:05,675 --> 00:05:08,316\n我想讓全國的老百姓知道在發生緊急危難的時候與民生有關的米、油、鹽等等這些重要的救命資訊應該讓所有的老百姓知道我們要到哪裡去領取而不是只有你民進黨的特權\n\n15\n00:05:24,864 --> 00:05:48,309\n這個階級全會才知道不是只有你民進黨領全黨政的這些人才知道我沒有戰略觀念是你沒有戰略觀念我剛已經說了這完全就是公開資訊你不要在那裡造謠你現在就是一心一意的想要把所有在野黨抹黑成中共同路人沒有想到真正的共諜就在你民進黨裡面啊\n\n16\n00:05:49,349 --> 00:06:00,054\n所以要說出來我以為你完全沒有戰略觀念我只有一句話全社會防衛就是要在適當的時候告訴人民什麼東西而不是在不適當的什麼時候讓政省知道我們有什麼事情請問院長您在3月29號我剛剛講了在民進黨的造勢場合當中你還對台下的民眾民進黨支持者很善情的說\n\n17\n00:06:14,460 --> 00:06:42,671\n未來翁曉琳委員所有的所資一律都要送行政院合訂之後才能夠送出您說過這句話吧前面還有一句話我說我沒有權利叫委員站在後面去但是我有權利讓委員的所資我這裡了解站在哪裡不重要重要的是說你是不是說過這句話有嘛對不對你有說嘛對不對我的所資你都要看過啊然後呢你要合訂才能送出對吧是\n\n18\n00:06:44,692 --> 00:07:09,491\n請問院長你現在看過我的鎖子嗎沒有為什麼沒有因為都不重要因為都不重要是嗎是嗎都不重要那你還說這句話你就是造謠嘛你就是你從頭到尾都是空口說白話從你一開始質詢我的影片到你現在所說的你哪一句不是空口說白話你只是很善情的告訴所有支持者說歐小林委員的鎖子你都要看你的鎖子都在院裡面啊\n\n19\n00:07:10,503 --> 00:07:29,099\n都在院裡面都在院裡面院的哪邊你告訴我現在我所知的幾份都還沒有送到我這裡來沒有收到嗎那我告訴你了我到目前為止從你說了這句話之後我陸陸續續到上個禮拜我已經送給行政院19份了\n\n20\n00:07:29,994 --> 00:07:37,375\n沒有安全之餘的沒有安全之餘你都沒有安全紀律你這麼確定你根本連看到都沒有看過你做不到的事情你就不要亂講所以由此可見你現在就是已經證明了一件事情就是卓院長說的話不可信你就說空口說牌的話你只會喊口號告訴支持者說要相信我們民進黨政府\n\n21\n00:07:57,319 --> 00:08:18,133\n要相信我們所做的結果呢你完全沒有做啊而且你根本就造謠聲勢這是我看到你在對我的這些攻擊理念然後呢我得出來的結果你說要所有的所知你要看過我連我送了多少份我送給哪個部會我告訴你根本沒有看過好接下來我要問另外一個問題有重要的才會到我這裡來所以我現在送的都不重要\n\n22\n00:08:25,758 --> 00:08:43,853\n都沒有國家安全之餘所以我之前問的那個就是國家安全機密我告訴你你趕快去看看吧你接下來可能還會做很多的校鄉宣講趕快去看看好好讀一讀我的所知我真的覺得你平常大概也有在讀書不要再出這種問題我們就沒有那種顧慮我接下來我要問一個更實際的問題行政院院這個去年就已經說公教人員加薪3%114年的這個政府總運算我們已經也通過了\n\n23\n00:08:55,469 --> 00:09:01,173\n總統3月21號就公告了可以請您告訴我到底這筆錢什麼時候會入賬因為關於預算的問題我們之前還送過復議案在復議案之前我們當然不依舊預算內容的動機總統3月21號公告了嘛14年總預算案已經公告了現在已經快要4月底了快5月了那3%的這個薪水什麼時候發嘛3%的薪水我們5月份就會發\n\n24\n00:09:25,996 --> 00:09:47,928\n確定那太好了看起來我的質詢還是有效果的今天早上就決定了這個上個禮拜質詢之後不是我們今天早上就決定了強調這個軍公教很倒楣就是因為我們的雇主是政府所以可以遲發薪水然後很多的什麼津貼啦考積啦這些都沒有發是因為三預算三到預算無法確定不要把責任擺到行政院身上來\n\n25\n00:09:52,910 --> 00:10:19,802\n委員始終要人民不相信政府委員始終要人民不相信政府但是你對法律解讀又是一知半解又要人民不相信政府是因為審預算三道讓預算沒有辦法順利起底請你不要質疑我不要質疑我一個法學教授我都過法學博士的這樣的一個專業我跟你比我比你懂得多好接下來我要問一下但是你不懂的地方更多那麼賴清德\n\n26\n00:10:21,735 --> 00:10:34,313\n那麼他在公布賴17條之後其實也引發國內很多的討論支持度還是不高的啊那麼將大陸認定為境外敵對勢力喔那麼我想這個可能要請陸委會主委請陸委會備詢\n\n27\n00:10:43,414 --> 00:10:55,001\n請教陸委會主委就是你知道目前到底我們有多少的台灣人在大陸工作這個就業居住生活\n\n28\n00:10:56,195 --> 00:11:16,142\n是,我們的估計有很多這種算法不過按照我們主計總署最近核算的大概有40萬的台商跟他們的眷屬在中國大陸就是比較長期常住在中國大陸的所以在那17條公布之後,政府有想到這群人的處境嗎?\n\n29\n00:11:17,574 --> 00:11:35,517\n跟委員報告我們這個十七條是基於我們自己國家安全社會安定是面對中共對於我們威脅非常嚴重不管是軍機艦擾台不管是成都二十二條經濟脅迫外交打壓\n\n30\n00:11:36,158 --> 00:11:58,750\n一連串的認知作戰、滲透分化這些複合性的施壓非常嚴重所以我們是在堅定的維護台海的現狀跟國人的幸福安全那我接下來要問的就是看這個情況兩岸敵對緊張的情勢將不斷升高我想問一下民進黨政府有沒有撤回台胞的計畫跟措施\n\n31\n00:12:00,751 --> 00:12:23,243\n委員你們應該知道日本因為因應台灣有事的情況計畫所以他們之前就有公布六天之內要撤離沖繩居民到九州集三口縣現在我們有四十多萬的台灣同胞在大陸算是長期的生活\n\n32\n00:12:25,524 --> 00:12:34,852\n那如果說兩岸的敵對情況不斷的升高而且真的發生什麼問題的話政府有沒有做撤回台胞計畫準備委員我們講這個17項的因應策略剛剛所說的都是在積極的維護台海現狀\n\n33\n00:12:45,851 --> 00:13:12,701\n我現在是問你們有沒有準備我們也有把兩岸的各種的風險透過我們海基會也好陸委會也好告訴我們在大陸生活的包括台商相關的人所以整體來講你們看起來你們還沒有做任何的準備那接下來我要再繼續請教就是因為最近大家討論很多的就是陸委會他建置你們建置的國人赴陸港澳動態登陸系統\n\n34\n00:13:14,582 --> 00:13:32,081\n而这套登录系统其实坦白说台湾的老百姓并不爱用我们现在到目前为止登录的比例大概也就只有2.45%这是你之前的所做的报告那我想问一请教主委就说到底我们登录这套系统之后\n\n35\n00:13:34,090 --> 00:13:46,878\n民進黨政府可以做什麼它的主要能夠發揮的效能是什麼是為了要幫助台灣同胞在大陸發生急難救助的時候你們可以幫得上忙是嗎\n\n36\n00:13:48,104 --> 00:14:17,005\n是跟委員報告因為我們發現相當多的家屬來海基會來陸委會報案說他們的家人失蹤了那同時呢也有很多人依照被法律限制他們的人身自由那這些呢都要我們知道個案再跟大陸去查核所以現在您剛說的這群人他們基本上都沒有登錄是都沒有登錄嗎還他沒有登錄我現在想要質疑的就是\n\n37\n00:14:18,477 --> 00:14:23,613\n民進黨政府執政這些年其實與大陸方面的溝通管道是中斷的\n\n38\n00:14:24,813 --> 00:14:26,694\n官方的正式協商,由於他們有協商的前提,他們不願意跟我們持續的就既有的溝通聯繫機制,但是,用委員所說的,\n\n39\n00:14:49,289 --> 00:15:05,060\n但是登陸了之後你政府積極的作為在哪你到底有沒有能力可以去維護我們台高在大陸的權益我們就可以找到他家裡的相關的當事人當然也可以讓我們在大陸的這些旅遊人工作人員跟政府保持聯繫\n\n40\n00:15:19,569 --> 00:15:29,018\n如果有突發事件、意外事件、急難救助我們這個登錄系統可以連結政府的資源及時給...好,謝謝翁曉琳委員,謝謝卓院長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5427\t27618\t院長好 有請游院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢對不起 有請卓院長卓院長跟劉部長公務員好院長好本席在這邊首先我要\n28621\t41608\t先感謝你對本席的質詢問政質詢還有我的所知相當的重視與關注我不是重視你的內容我是重視它影響國家的安全因為您的這個批評與指控\n44089\t68590\t讓社會大眾很好奇到底本席質詢的議題我問了什麼我的內容是什麼所以呢就引來很多人來觀看我質詢的影片擴大我質詢的影響力那也讓民眾呢更加的了解什麼是政府造謠可以說是這個賽翁司馬焉知非福啦那麼我想請問院長\n70683\t98304\t您是否有看過我在3月26號質詢農業部部長陳俊濟的影片我沒有現場看到但事後我了解整個狀況你沒有現場看到當然不會有時間現場看到但事後了解所有的狀況部長也有跟我做說明這個影片是短短5分鐘而且是在立法院的影音平台上面公開那麼全國的國人都可以看到\n99383\t123788\t那在這次的質詢當中我問這個農業部陳俊記說到底現在台灣萬一發生緊急狀況的時候糧食的安全儲糧還有這個民生必需品的供應站的規劃是如何請問我從頭到尾我有講我要索取暫時糧食儲備地圖嗎你問他這個供應站儲備站\n129744\t150183\t如何規劃這個就是希望部長能夠給你一個答覆只是我們部長很機靈是 部長是部長很機靈嗎部長在當場的時候我覺得他是誠實的他知道作為一個部長這樣的資訊本來就是公開是 院長您太狡猾\n151035\t164175\t我告诉您您今天连个短短五分钟的咨询影片您都没有看过你就在夏香宣讲的时候乱造谣我什么时候我有说过地图这两个字\n165619\t193889\t我真的是很 供應戰我告訴你那是現在法規裡面就有規定的這個是在國防手冊裡面清楚揭露我今天如果不是透過我翁小玲委員的質詢告訴大家說我們還有一個辦法是在規範民生必需品短缺時期的配售供應戰我告訴你這個部分很多的老百姓是不知道的\n194409\t220855\t根本不知道這是寫在國防手冊裡面的而很遺憾的沒想到連院長你也不知道由此可見你民進黨政府所說的什麼全民防衛任性這根本都說假的你們連宣傳都不知道你連相關的法規相關的問題都不知道在哪裡我更遺憾的是你又說錯了我剛剛說我現場沒有看到事後當然有看到你沒有看過我執行的影片就信口開河你就造謠\n223266\t239103\t今天从我是第三位质询委员从第一位委员第二位委员到我我相信之后还会有很多的委员会质疑卓院长您所领导的内阁你不仅仅是这个最会复义的内阁\n240117\t267491\t我看現在也是最會造謠的內閣所以我今天很遺憾我原本以為院長您是看過我的質詢影片你才做這樣的發言但是沒有想到你連看都沒有看過我沒有說我沒有看過啊我說現場我說現場我說現場我沒有看到事後我都知道我哪有說我沒有看過事後我都知道你有看過我的影片嗎你沒有你剛剛說過了好不重要現在你已經說了\n270112\t272694\t你在夏湘演講的時候你有說我為什麼要這個所值\n283049\t298873\t我為什麼要請農業部部長提供給我有關於林森必需品這個配售站的相關的資訊你當時說是你想知道還是想讓誰知道我在這邊很嚴正的告訴院長我想讓誰知道\n305675\t308316\t我想讓全國的老百姓知道在發生緊急危難的時候與民生有關的米、油、鹽等等這些重要的救命資訊應該讓所有的老百姓知道我們要到哪裡去領取而不是只有你民進黨的特權\n324864\t348309\t這個階級全會才知道不是只有你民進黨領全黨政的這些人才知道我沒有戰略觀念是你沒有戰略觀念我剛已經說了這完全就是公開資訊你不要在那裡造謠你現在就是一心一意的想要把所有在野黨抹黑成中共同路人沒有想到真正的共諜就在你民進黨裡面啊\n349349\t360054\t所以要說出來我以為你完全沒有戰略觀念我只有一句話全社會防衛就是要在適當的時候告訴人民什麼東西而不是在不適當的什麼時候讓政省知道我們有什麼事情請問院長您在3月29號我剛剛講了在民進黨的造勢場合當中你還對台下的民眾民進黨支持者很善情的說\n374460\t402671\t未來翁曉琳委員所有的所資一律都要送行政院合訂之後才能夠送出您說過這句話吧前面還有一句話我說我沒有權利叫委員站在後面去但是我有權利讓委員的所資我這裡了解站在哪裡不重要重要的是說你是不是說過這句話有嘛 對不對 你有說嘛對不對 我的所資你都要看過啊然後呢 你要合訂才能送出 對吧是\n404692\t429491\t請問院長你現在看過我的鎖子嗎沒有為什麼沒有因為都不重要因為都不重要是嗎是嗎都不重要那你還說這句話你就是造謠嘛你就是你從頭到尾都是空口說白話從你一開始質詢我的影片到你現在所說的你哪一句不是空口說白話你只是很善情的告訴所有支持者說歐小林委員的鎖子你都要看你的鎖子都在院裡面啊\n430503\t449099\t都在院裡面都在院裡面院的哪邊你告訴我現在我所知的幾份都還沒有送到我這裡來沒有收到嗎那我告訴你了我到目前為止從你說了這句話之後我陸陸續續到上個禮拜我已經送給行政院19份了\n449994\t457375\t沒有安全之餘的沒有安全之餘你都沒有安全紀律你這麼確定你根本連看到都沒有看過你做不到的事情你就不要亂講所以由此可見你現在就是已經證明了一件事情就是卓院長說的話不可信你就說空口說牌的話你只會喊口號告訴支持者說要相信我們民進黨政府\n477319\t498133\t要相信我們所做的 結果呢 你完全沒有做啊而且你根本就造謠聲勢這是我看到 你在對我的這些攻擊理念然後呢 我得出來的結果你說要所有的所知 你要看過我連我送了多少份 我送給哪個部會我告訴你根本沒有看過好 接下來我要問另外一個問題有重要的才會到我這裡來所以 我現在送的都不重要\n505758\t523853\t都沒有國家安全之餘所以我之前問的那個就是國家安全機密我告訴你你趕快去看看吧你接下來可能還會做很多的校鄉宣講趕快去看看好好讀一讀我的所知我真的覺得你平常大概也有在讀書不要再出這種問題我們就沒有那種顧慮我接下來我要問一個更實際的問題行政院院這個去年就已經說公教人員加薪3%114年的這個政府總運算我們已經也通過了\n535469\t541173\t總統3月21號就公告了可以請您告訴我到底這筆錢什麼時候會入賬因為關於預算的問題我們之前還送過復議案在復議案之前我們當然不依舊預算內容的動機總統3月21號公告了嘛14年總預算案已經公告了現在已經快要4月底了快5月了那3%的這個薪水什麼時候發嘛3%的薪水我們5月份就會發\n565996\t587928\t確定那太好了看起來我的質詢還是有效果的今天早上就決定了這個上個禮拜質詢之後不是我們今天早上就決定了強調這個軍公教很倒楣就是因為我們的雇主是政府所以可以遲發薪水然後很多的什麼津貼啦考積啦這些都沒有發是因為三預算三到預算無法確定不要把責任擺到行政院身上來\n592910\t619802\t委員始終要人民不相信政府委員始終要人民不相信政府但是你對法律解讀又是一知半解又要人民不相信政府是因為審預算三道讓預算沒有辦法順利起底請你不要質疑我不要質疑我一個法學教授我都過法學博士的這樣的一個專業我跟你比我比你懂得多好接下來我要問一下但是你不懂的地方更多那麼賴清德\n621735\t634313\t那麼他在公布賴17條之後其實也引發國內很多的討論支持度還是不高的啊那麼將大陸認定為境外敵對勢力喔那麼我想這個可能要請陸委會主委請陸委會備詢\n643414\t655001\t請教陸委會主委就是你知道目前到底我們有多少的台灣人在大陸工作這個就業居住生活\n656195\t676142\t是,我們的估計有很多這種算法不過按照我們主計總署最近核算的大概有40萬的台商跟他們的眷屬在中國大陸就是比較長期常住在中國大陸的所以在那17條公布之後,政府有想到這群人的處境嗎?\n677574\t695517\t跟委員報告我們這個十七條是基於我們自己國家安全社會安定是面對中共對於我們威脅非常嚴重不管是軍機艦擾台不管是成都二十二條經濟脅迫外交打壓\n696158\t718750\t一連串的認知作戰、滲透分化這些複合性的施壓非常嚴重所以我們是在堅定的維護台海的現狀跟國人的幸福安全那我接下來要問的就是看這個情況兩岸敵對緊張的情勢將不斷升高我想問一下民進黨政府有沒有撤回台胞的計畫跟措施\n720751\t743243\t委員你們應該知道日本因為因應台灣有事的情況計畫所以他們之前就有公布六天之內要撤離沖繩居民到九州集三口縣現在我們有四十多萬的台灣同胞在大陸算是長期的生活\n745524\t754852\t那如果說兩岸的敵對情況不斷的升高而且真的發生什麼問題的話政府有沒有做撤回台胞計畫準備委員我們講這個17項的因應策略剛剛所說的都是在積極的維護台海現狀\n765851\t792701\t我現在是問你們有沒有準備我們也有把兩岸的各種的風險透過我們海基會也好陸委會也好告訴我們在大陸生活的包括台商相關的人所以整體來講你們看起來你們還沒有做任何的準備那接下來我要再繼續請教就是因為最近大家討論很多的就是陸委會他建置你們建置的國人赴陸港澳動態登陸系統\n794582\t812081\t而这套登录系统其实坦白说台湾的老百姓并不爱用我们现在到目前为止登录的比例大概也就只有2.45%这是你之前的所做的报告那我想问一请教主委就说到底我们登录这套系统之后\n814090\t826878\t民進黨政府可以做什麼它的主要能夠發揮的效能是什麼是為了要幫助台灣同胞在大陸發生急難救助的時候你們可以幫得上忙是嗎\n828104\t857005\t是 跟委員報告因為我們發現相當多的家屬來海基會 來陸委會報案說他們的家人失蹤了那同時呢也有很多人依照被法律限制他們的人身自由那這些呢都要我們知道個案再跟大陸去查核所以現在您剛說的這群人他們基本上都沒有登錄是都沒有登錄嗎 還他沒有登錄我現在想要質疑的就是\n858477\t863613\t民進黨政府執政這些年其實與大陸方面的溝通管道是中斷的\n864813\t866694\t官方的正式協商,由於他們有協商的前提,他們不願意跟我們持續的就既有的溝通聯繫機制,但是,用委員所說的,\n889289\t905060\t但是登陸了之後你政府積極的作為在哪你到底有沒有能力可以去維護我們台高在大陸的權益我們就可以找到他家裡的相關的當事人當然也可以讓我們在大陸的這些旅遊人工作人員跟政府保持聯繫\n919569\t929018\t如果有突發事件、意外事件、急難救助我們這個登錄系統可以連結政府的資源及時給...好,謝謝翁曉琳委員,謝謝卓院長\n","txt":"院長好 有請游院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢對不起 有請卓院長卓院長跟劉部長公務員好院長好本席在這邊首先我要\n先感謝你對本席的質詢問政質詢還有我的所知相當的重視與關注我不是重視你的內容我是重視它影響國家的安全因為您的這個批評與指控\n讓社會大眾很好奇到底本席質詢的議題我問了什麼我的內容是什麼所以呢就引來很多人來觀看我質詢的影片擴大我質詢的影響力那也讓民眾呢更加的了解什麼是政府造謠可以說是這個賽翁司馬焉知非福啦那麼我想請問院長\n您是否有看過我在3月26號質詢農業部部長陳俊濟的影片我沒有現場看到但事後我了解整個狀況你沒有現場看到當然不會有時間現場看到但事後了解所有的狀況部長也有跟我做說明這個影片是短短5分鐘而且是在立法院的影音平台上面公開那麼全國的國人都可以看到\n那在這次的質詢當中我問這個農業部陳俊記說到底現在台灣萬一發生緊急狀況的時候糧食的安全儲糧還有這個民生必需品的供應站的規劃是如何請問我從頭到尾我有講我要索取暫時糧食儲備地圖嗎你問他這個供應站儲備站\n如何規劃這個就是希望部長能夠給你一個答覆只是我們部長很機靈是 部長是部長很機靈嗎部長在當場的時候我覺得他是誠實的他知道作為一個部長這樣的資訊本來就是公開是 院長您太狡猾\n我告诉您您今天连个短短五分钟的咨询影片您都没有看过你就在夏香宣讲的时候乱造谣我什么时候我有说过地图这两个字\n我真的是很 供應戰我告訴你那是現在法規裡面就有規定的這個是在國防手冊裡面清楚揭露我今天如果不是透過我翁小玲委員的質詢告訴大家說我們還有一個辦法是在規範民生必需品短缺時期的配售供應戰我告訴你這個部分很多的老百姓是不知道的\n根本不知道這是寫在國防手冊裡面的而很遺憾的沒想到連院長你也不知道由此可見你民進黨政府所說的什麼全民防衛任性這根本都說假的你們連宣傳都不知道你連相關的法規相關的問題都不知道在哪裡我更遺憾的是你又說錯了我剛剛說我現場沒有看到事後當然有看到你沒有看過我執行的影片就信口開河你就造謠\n今天从我是第三位质询委员从第一位委员第二位委员到我我相信之后还会有很多的委员会质疑卓院长您所领导的内阁你不仅仅是这个最会复义的内阁\n我看現在也是最會造謠的內閣所以我今天很遺憾我原本以為院長您是看過我的質詢影片你才做這樣的發言但是沒有想到你連看都沒有看過我沒有說我沒有看過啊我說現場我說現場我說現場我沒有看到事後我都知道我哪有說我沒有看過事後我都知道你有看過我的影片嗎你沒有你剛剛說過了好不重要現在你已經說了\n你在夏湘演講的時候你有說我為什麼要這個所值\n我為什麼要請農業部部長提供給我有關於林森必需品這個配售站的相關的資訊你當時說是你想知道還是想讓誰知道我在這邊很嚴正的告訴院長我想讓誰知道\n我想讓全國的老百姓知道在發生緊急危難的時候與民生有關的米、油、鹽等等這些重要的救命資訊應該讓所有的老百姓知道我們要到哪裡去領取而不是只有你民進黨的特權\n這個階級全會才知道不是只有你民進黨領全黨政的這些人才知道我沒有戰略觀念是你沒有戰略觀念我剛已經說了這完全就是公開資訊你不要在那裡造謠你現在就是一心一意的想要把所有在野黨抹黑成中共同路人沒有想到真正的共諜就在你民進黨裡面啊\n所以要說出來我以為你完全沒有戰略觀念我只有一句話全社會防衛就是要在適當的時候告訴人民什麼東西而不是在不適當的什麼時候讓政省知道我們有什麼事情請問院長您在3月29號我剛剛講了在民進黨的造勢場合當中你還對台下的民眾民進黨支持者很善情的說\n未來翁曉琳委員所有的所資一律都要送行政院合訂之後才能夠送出您說過這句話吧前面還有一句話我說我沒有權利叫委員站在後面去但是我有權利讓委員的所資我這裡了解站在哪裡不重要重要的是說你是不是說過這句話有嘛 對不對 你有說嘛對不對 我的所資你都要看過啊然後呢 你要合訂才能送出 對吧是\n請問院長你現在看過我的鎖子嗎沒有為什麼沒有因為都不重要因為都不重要是嗎是嗎都不重要那你還說這句話你就是造謠嘛你就是你從頭到尾都是空口說白話從你一開始質詢我的影片到你現在所說的你哪一句不是空口說白話你只是很善情的告訴所有支持者說歐小林委員的鎖子你都要看你的鎖子都在院裡面啊\n都在院裡面都在院裡面院的哪邊你告訴我現在我所知的幾份都還沒有送到我這裡來沒有收到嗎那我告訴你了我到目前為止從你說了這句話之後我陸陸續續到上個禮拜我已經送給行政院19份了\n沒有安全之餘的沒有安全之餘你都沒有安全紀律你這麼確定你根本連看到都沒有看過你做不到的事情你就不要亂講所以由此可見你現在就是已經證明了一件事情就是卓院長說的話不可信你就說空口說牌的話你只會喊口號告訴支持者說要相信我們民進黨政府\n要相信我們所做的 結果呢 你完全沒有做啊而且你根本就造謠聲勢這是我看到 你在對我的這些攻擊理念然後呢 我得出來的結果你說要所有的所知 你要看過我連我送了多少份 我送給哪個部會我告訴你根本沒有看過好 接下來我要問另外一個問題有重要的才會到我這裡來所以 我現在送的都不重要\n都沒有國家安全之餘所以我之前問的那個就是國家安全機密我告訴你你趕快去看看吧你接下來可能還會做很多的校鄉宣講趕快去看看好好讀一讀我的所知我真的覺得你平常大概也有在讀書不要再出這種問題我們就沒有那種顧慮我接下來我要問一個更實際的問題行政院院這個去年就已經說公教人員加薪3%114年的這個政府總運算我們已經也通過了\n總統3月21號就公告了可以請您告訴我到底這筆錢什麼時候會入賬因為關於預算的問題我們之前還送過復議案在復議案之前我們當然不依舊預算內容的動機總統3月21號公告了嘛14年總預算案已經公告了現在已經快要4月底了快5月了那3%的這個薪水什麼時候發嘛3%的薪水我們5月份就會發\n確定那太好了看起來我的質詢還是有效果的今天早上就決定了這個上個禮拜質詢之後不是我們今天早上就決定了強調這個軍公教很倒楣就是因為我們的雇主是政府所以可以遲發薪水然後很多的什麼津貼啦考積啦這些都沒有發是因為三預算三到預算無法確定不要把責任擺到行政院身上來\n委員始終要人民不相信政府委員始終要人民不相信政府但是你對法律解讀又是一知半解又要人民不相信政府是因為審預算三道讓預算沒有辦法順利起底請你不要質疑我不要質疑我一個法學教授我都過法學博士的這樣的一個專業我跟你比我比你懂得多好接下來我要問一下但是你不懂的地方更多那麼賴清德\n那麼他在公布賴17條之後其實也引發國內很多的討論支持度還是不高的啊那麼將大陸認定為境外敵對勢力喔那麼我想這個可能要請陸委會主委請陸委會備詢\n請教陸委會主委就是你知道目前到底我們有多少的台灣人在大陸工作這個就業居住生活\n是,我們的估計有很多這種算法不過按照我們主計總署最近核算的大概有40萬的台商跟他們的眷屬在中國大陸就是比較長期常住在中國大陸的所以在那17條公布之後,政府有想到這群人的處境嗎?\n跟委員報告我們這個十七條是基於我們自己國家安全社會安定是面對中共對於我們威脅非常嚴重不管是軍機艦擾台不管是成都二十二條經濟脅迫外交打壓\n一連串的認知作戰、滲透分化這些複合性的施壓非常嚴重所以我們是在堅定的維護台海的現狀跟國人的幸福安全那我接下來要問的就是看這個情況兩岸敵對緊張的情勢將不斷升高我想問一下民進黨政府有沒有撤回台胞的計畫跟措施\n委員你們應該知道日本因為因應台灣有事的情況計畫所以他們之前就有公布六天之內要撤離沖繩居民到九州集三口縣現在我們有四十多萬的台灣同胞在大陸算是長期的生活\n那如果說兩岸的敵對情況不斷的升高而且真的發生什麼問題的話政府有沒有做撤回台胞計畫準備委員我們講這個17項的因應策略剛剛所說的都是在積極的維護台海現狀\n我現在是問你們有沒有準備我們也有把兩岸的各種的風險透過我們海基會也好陸委會也好告訴我們在大陸生活的包括台商相關的人所以整體來講你們看起來你們還沒有做任何的準備那接下來我要再繼續請教就是因為最近大家討論很多的就是陸委會他建置你們建置的國人赴陸港澳動態登陸系統\n而这套登录系统其实坦白说台湾的老百姓并不爱用我们现在到目前为止登录的比例大概也就只有2.45%这是你之前的所做的报告那我想问一请教主委就说到底我们登录这套系统之后\n民進黨政府可以做什麼它的主要能夠發揮的效能是什麼是為了要幫助台灣同胞在大陸發生急難救助的時候你們可以幫得上忙是嗎\n是 跟委員報告因為我們發現相當多的家屬來海基會 來陸委會報案說他們的家人失蹤了那同時呢也有很多人依照被法律限制他們的人身自由那這些呢都要我們知道個案再跟大陸去查核所以現在您剛說的這群人他們基本上都沒有登錄是都沒有登錄嗎 還他沒有登錄我現在想要質疑的就是\n民進黨政府執政這些年其實與大陸方面的溝通管道是中斷的\n官方的正式協商,由於他們有協商的前提,他們不願意跟我們持續的就既有的溝通聯繫機制,但是,用委員所說的,\n但是登陸了之後你政府積極的作為在哪你到底有沒有能力可以去維護我們台高在大陸的權益我們就可以找到他家裡的相關的當事人當然也可以讓我們在大陸的這些旅遊人工作人員跟政府保持聯繫\n如果有突發事件、意外事件、急難救助我們這個登錄系統可以連結政府的資源及時給...好,謝謝翁曉琳委員,謝謝卓院長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.427 --> 00:27.618\n院長好有請游院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢對不起有請卓院長卓院長跟劉部長公務員好院長好本席在這邊首先我要\n\n00:28.621 --> 00:41.608\n先感謝你對本席的質詢問政質詢還有我的所知相當的重視與關注我不是重視你的內容我是重視它影響國家的安全因為您的這個批評與指控\n\n00:44.089 --> 01:08.590\n讓社會大眾很好奇到底本席質詢的議題我問了什麼我的內容是什麼所以呢就引來很多人來觀看我質詢的影片擴大我質詢的影響力那也讓民眾呢更加的了解什麼是政府造謠可以說是這個賽翁司馬焉知非福啦那麼我想請問院長\n\n01:10.683 --> 01:38.304\n您是否有看過我在3月26號質詢農業部部長陳俊濟的影片我沒有現場看到但事後我了解整個狀況你沒有現場看到當然不會有時間現場看到但事後了解所有的狀況部長也有跟我做說明這個影片是短短5分鐘而且是在立法院的影音平台上面公開那麼全國的國人都可以看到\n\n01:39.383 --> 02:03.788\n那在這次的質詢當中我問這個農業部陳俊記說到底現在台灣萬一發生緊急狀況的時候糧食的安全儲糧還有這個民生必需品的供應站的規劃是如何請問我從頭到尾我有講我要索取暫時糧食儲備地圖嗎你問他這個供應站儲備站\n\n02:09.744 --> 02:30.183\n如何規劃這個就是希望部長能夠給你一個答覆只是我們部長很機靈是部長是部長很機靈嗎部長在當場的時候我覺得他是誠實的他知道作為一個部長這樣的資訊本來就是公開是院長您太狡猾\n\n02:31.035 --> 02:44.175\n我告诉您您今天连个短短五分钟的咨询影片您都没有看过你就在夏香宣讲的时候乱造谣我什么时候我有说过地图这两个字\n\n02:45.619 --> 03:13.889\n我真的是很供應戰我告訴你那是現在法規裡面就有規定的這個是在國防手冊裡面清楚揭露我今天如果不是透過我翁小玲委員的質詢告訴大家說我們還有一個辦法是在規範民生必需品短缺時期的配售供應戰我告訴你這個部分很多的老百姓是不知道的\n\n03:14.409 --> 03:40.855\n根本不知道這是寫在國防手冊裡面的而很遺憾的沒想到連院長你也不知道由此可見你民進黨政府所說的什麼全民防衛任性這根本都說假的你們連宣傳都不知道你連相關的法規相關的問題都不知道在哪裡我更遺憾的是你又說錯了我剛剛說我現場沒有看到事後當然有看到你沒有看過我執行的影片就信口開河你就造謠\n\n03:43.266 --> 03:59.103\n今天从我是第三位质询委员从第一位委员第二位委员到我我相信之后还会有很多的委员会质疑卓院长您所领导的内阁你不仅仅是这个最会复义的内阁\n\n04:00.117 --> 04:27.491\n我看現在也是最會造謠的內閣所以我今天很遺憾我原本以為院長您是看過我的質詢影片你才做這樣的發言但是沒有想到你連看都沒有看過我沒有說我沒有看過啊我說現場我說現場我說現場我沒有看到事後我都知道我哪有說我沒有看過事後我都知道你有看過我的影片嗎你沒有你剛剛說過了好不重要現在你已經說了\n\n04:30.112 --> 04:32.694\n你在夏湘演講的時候你有說我為什麼要這個所值\n\n04:43.049 --> 04:58.873\n我為什麼要請農業部部長提供給我有關於林森必需品這個配售站的相關的資訊你當時說是你想知道還是想讓誰知道我在這邊很嚴正的告訴院長我想讓誰知道\n\n05:05.675 --> 05:08.316\n我想讓全國的老百姓知道在發生緊急危難的時候與民生有關的米、油、鹽等等這些重要的救命資訊應該讓所有的老百姓知道我們要到哪裡去領取而不是只有你民進黨的特權\n\n05:24.864 --> 05:48.309\n這個階級全會才知道不是只有你民進黨領全黨政的這些人才知道我沒有戰略觀念是你沒有戰略觀念我剛已經說了這完全就是公開資訊你不要在那裡造謠你現在就是一心一意的想要把所有在野黨抹黑成中共同路人沒有想到真正的共諜就在你民進黨裡面啊\n\n05:49.349 --> 06:00.054\n所以要說出來我以為你完全沒有戰略觀念我只有一句話全社會防衛就是要在適當的時候告訴人民什麼東西而不是在不適當的什麼時候讓政省知道我們有什麼事情請問院長您在3月29號我剛剛講了在民進黨的造勢場合當中你還對台下的民眾民進黨支持者很善情的說\n\n06:14.460 --> 06:42.671\n未來翁曉琳委員所有的所資一律都要送行政院合訂之後才能夠送出您說過這句話吧前面還有一句話我說我沒有權利叫委員站在後面去但是我有權利讓委員的所資我這裡了解站在哪裡不重要重要的是說你是不是說過這句話有嘛對不對你有說嘛對不對我的所資你都要看過啊然後呢你要合訂才能送出對吧是\n\n06:44.692 --> 07:09.491\n請問院長你現在看過我的鎖子嗎沒有為什麼沒有因為都不重要因為都不重要是嗎是嗎都不重要那你還說這句話你就是造謠嘛你就是你從頭到尾都是空口說白話從你一開始質詢我的影片到你現在所說的你哪一句不是空口說白話你只是很善情的告訴所有支持者說歐小林委員的鎖子你都要看你的鎖子都在院裡面啊\n\n07:10.503 --> 07:29.099\n都在院裡面都在院裡面院的哪邊你告訴我現在我所知的幾份都還沒有送到我這裡來沒有收到嗎那我告訴你了我到目前為止從你說了這句話之後我陸陸續續到上個禮拜我已經送給行政院19份了\n\n07:29.994 --> 07:37.375\n沒有安全之餘的沒有安全之餘你都沒有安全紀律你這麼確定你根本連看到都沒有看過你做不到的事情你就不要亂講所以由此可見你現在就是已經證明了一件事情就是卓院長說的話不可信你就說空口說牌的話你只會喊口號告訴支持者說要相信我們民進黨政府\n\n07:57.319 --> 08:18.133\n要相信我們所做的結果呢你完全沒有做啊而且你根本就造謠聲勢這是我看到你在對我的這些攻擊理念然後呢我得出來的結果你說要所有的所知你要看過我連我送了多少份我送給哪個部會我告訴你根本沒有看過好接下來我要問另外一個問題有重要的才會到我這裡來所以我現在送的都不重要\n\n08:25.758 --> 08:43.853\n都沒有國家安全之餘所以我之前問的那個就是國家安全機密我告訴你你趕快去看看吧你接下來可能還會做很多的校鄉宣講趕快去看看好好讀一讀我的所知我真的覺得你平常大概也有在讀書不要再出這種問題我們就沒有那種顧慮我接下來我要問一個更實際的問題行政院院這個去年就已經說公教人員加薪3%114年的這個政府總運算我們已經也通過了\n\n08:55.469 --> 09:01.173\n總統3月21號就公告了可以請您告訴我到底這筆錢什麼時候會入賬因為關於預算的問題我們之前還送過復議案在復議案之前我們當然不依舊預算內容的動機總統3月21號公告了嘛14年總預算案已經公告了現在已經快要4月底了快5月了那3%的這個薪水什麼時候發嘛3%的薪水我們5月份就會發\n\n09:25.996 --> 09:47.928\n確定那太好了看起來我的質詢還是有效果的今天早上就決定了這個上個禮拜質詢之後不是我們今天早上就決定了強調這個軍公教很倒楣就是因為我們的雇主是政府所以可以遲發薪水然後很多的什麼津貼啦考積啦這些都沒有發是因為三預算三到預算無法確定不要把責任擺到行政院身上來\n\n09:52.910 --> 10:19.802\n委員始終要人民不相信政府委員始終要人民不相信政府但是你對法律解讀又是一知半解又要人民不相信政府是因為審預算三道讓預算沒有辦法順利起底請你不要質疑我不要質疑我一個法學教授我都過法學博士的這樣的一個專業我跟你比我比你懂得多好接下來我要問一下但是你不懂的地方更多那麼賴清德\n\n10:21.735 --> 10:34.313\n那麼他在公布賴17條之後其實也引發國內很多的討論支持度還是不高的啊那麼將大陸認定為境外敵對勢力喔那麼我想這個可能要請陸委會主委請陸委會備詢\n\n10:43.414 --> 10:55.001\n請教陸委會主委就是你知道目前到底我們有多少的台灣人在大陸工作這個就業居住生活\n\n10:56.195 --> 11:16.142\n是,我們的估計有很多這種算法不過按照我們主計總署最近核算的大概有40萬的台商跟他們的眷屬在中國大陸就是比較長期常住在中國大陸的所以在那17條公布之後,政府有想到這群人的處境嗎?\n\n11:17.574 --> 11:35.517\n跟委員報告我們這個十七條是基於我們自己國家安全社會安定是面對中共對於我們威脅非常嚴重不管是軍機艦擾台不管是成都二十二條經濟脅迫外交打壓\n\n11:36.158 --> 11:58.750\n一連串的認知作戰、滲透分化這些複合性的施壓非常嚴重所以我們是在堅定的維護台海的現狀跟國人的幸福安全那我接下來要問的就是看這個情況兩岸敵對緊張的情勢將不斷升高我想問一下民進黨政府有沒有撤回台胞的計畫跟措施\n\n12:00.751 --> 12:23.243\n委員你們應該知道日本因為因應台灣有事的情況計畫所以他們之前就有公布六天之內要撤離沖繩居民到九州集三口縣現在我們有四十多萬的台灣同胞在大陸算是長期的生活\n\n12:25.524 --> 12:34.852\n那如果說兩岸的敵對情況不斷的升高而且真的發生什麼問題的話政府有沒有做撤回台胞計畫準備委員我們講這個17項的因應策略剛剛所說的都是在積極的維護台海現狀\n\n12:45.851 --> 13:12.701\n我現在是問你們有沒有準備我們也有把兩岸的各種的風險透過我們海基會也好陸委會也好告訴我們在大陸生活的包括台商相關的人所以整體來講你們看起來你們還沒有做任何的準備那接下來我要再繼續請教就是因為最近大家討論很多的就是陸委會他建置你們建置的國人赴陸港澳動態登陸系統\n\n13:14.582 --> 13:32.081\n而这套登录系统其实坦白说台湾的老百姓并不爱用我们现在到目前为止登录的比例大概也就只有2.45%这是你之前的所做的报告那我想问一请教主委就说到底我们登录这套系统之后\n\n13:34.090 --> 13:46.878\n民進黨政府可以做什麼它的主要能夠發揮的效能是什麼是為了要幫助台灣同胞在大陸發生急難救助的時候你們可以幫得上忙是嗎\n\n13:48.104 --> 14:17.005\n是跟委員報告因為我們發現相當多的家屬來海基會來陸委會報案說他們的家人失蹤了那同時呢也有很多人依照被法律限制他們的人身自由那這些呢都要我們知道個案再跟大陸去查核所以現在您剛說的這群人他們基本上都沒有登錄是都沒有登錄嗎還他沒有登錄我現在想要質疑的就是\n\n14:18.477 --> 14:23.613\n民進黨政府執政這些年其實與大陸方面的溝通管道是中斷的\n\n14:24.813 --> 14:26.694\n官方的正式協商,由於他們有協商的前提,他們不願意跟我們持續的就既有的溝通聯繫機制,但是,用委員所說的,\n\n14:49.289 --> 15:05.060\n但是登陸了之後你政府積極的作為在哪你到底有沒有能力可以去維護我們台高在大陸的權益我們就可以找到他家裡的相關的當事人當然也可以讓我們在大陸的這些旅遊人工作人員跟政府保持聯繫\n\n15:19.569 --> 15:29.018\n如果有突發事件、意外事件、急難救助我們這個登錄系統可以連結政府的資源及時給...好,謝謝翁曉琳委員,謝謝卓院長\n\n","segments":[{"start":5.427,"end":27.618,"text":"院長好 有請游院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢對不起 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跟委員報告因為我們發現相當多的家屬來海基會 來陸委會報案說他們的家人失蹤了那同時呢也有很多人依照被法律限制他們的人身自由那這些呢都要我們知道個案再跟大陸去查核所以現在您剛說的這群人他們基本上都沒有登錄是都沒有登錄嗎 還他沒有登錄我現在想要質疑的就是"},{"start":858.477,"end":863.613,"text":"民進黨政府執政這些年其實與大陸方面的溝通管道是中斷的"},{"start":864.813,"end":866.694,"text":"官方的正式協商,由於他們有協商的前提,他們不願意跟我們持續的就既有的溝通聯繫機制,但是,用委員所說的,"},{"start":889.289,"end":905.06,"text":"但是登陸了之後你政府積極的作為在哪你到底有沒有能力可以去維護我們台高在大陸的權益我們就可以找到他家裡的相關的當事人當然也可以讓我們在大陸的這些旅遊人工作人員跟政府保持聯繫"},{"start":919.569,"end":929.018,"text":"如果有突發事件、意外事件、急難救助我們這個登錄系統可以連結政府的資源及時給...好,謝謝翁曉琳委員,謝謝卓院長"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":213,"blocks":[["翁委員曉玲：（9時34分）院長好，有請卓院長。"],["主席：麻煩再請卓院長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：翁委員好。"],["翁委員曉玲：院長好。本席在這邊首先要先感謝，你對本席的問政質詢還有我的索資相當地重視與關注，因為您的……"],["卓院長榮泰：我不是重視您的索資內容，我是重視它影響國家的安全。"],["翁委員曉玲：好。因為您的批評與指控，讓社會大眾很好奇到底本席質詢的議題，我問了什麼，我的內容是什麼，所以引來很多人觀看我質詢的影片，擴大我質詢的影響力，也讓民眾更加了解什麼是政府造謠，可以說是塞翁失馬焉知非福。我想請問院長，您是否有看過我在3月26號質詢農業部部長陳駿季的影片？"],["卓院長榮泰：我沒有現場看到，但事後我了解整個狀況。"],["翁委員曉玲：你沒有現場看到？"],["卓院長榮泰：我當然不會有時間現場看到，但事後了解所有的狀況，部長也有跟我做說明。"],["翁委員曉玲：好。這個影片短短5分鐘，而且在立法院的影音平臺上面公開，全國的國人都可以看到。在這一次的質詢當中，我問農業部陳駿季說，到底現在臺灣萬一發生緊急狀況的時候，糧食的安全儲糧還有民生必需品供應站的規劃是如何？請問我從頭到尾，我有講我要索取戰時糧食儲備地圖嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：你問他供應站、儲備站如何規劃，這個就是希望部長能夠給你一個答復，只是我們部長很機靈。"],["翁委員曉玲：是，是部長很機靈嗎？部長在當場的時候，我覺得他是誠實的，他知道作為一個部長，這樣的資訊本來就是公開的，是院長您太狡猾。我告訴您，您今天連個短短5分鐘的質詢影片都沒有看過，你就在下鄉宣講的時候亂造謠，我什麼時候有說過「地圖」這兩個字？我真的是很……"],["卓院長榮泰：供應站……"],["翁委員曉玲：供應站，我告訴你，那是現在法規裡面就有規定的……"],["卓院長榮泰：供應站、儲備站整個規劃，那我們要不要告訴你？"],["翁委員曉玲：這是在國防手冊裡面清楚揭露。今天如果不是透過我翁曉玲委員的質詢，告訴大家我們還有一個辦法是在規範民生必需品短缺時期的配送供應站，我告訴你，這個部分很多的老百姓是不知道的，根本不知道這是寫在國防手冊裡面的，而很遺憾的，沒想到連院長你也不知道，由此可見你民進黨政府所說的什麼全民防衛韌性，這根本就說假的。你們連宣傳都不知道，你連相關的法規、相關的問題都不知道在哪裡。"],["卓院長榮泰：委員你又說錯了……"],["翁委員曉玲：我更遺憾的是，我更遺憾的是，卓院長你沒有看過我質詢的影片……"],["卓院長榮泰：你又說錯了。我剛剛說我現場沒有看到，事後當然有看到。"],["翁委員曉玲：就信口開河，你就造謠，就造謠。今天我是第三位質詢的委員，從第一位委員、第二位委員到我，我相信之後還會有很多的委員質疑卓院長您所領導的內閣，你不僅僅是最會覆議的內閣，我看現在也是最會造謠的內閣，所以我今天很遺憾……"],["卓院長榮泰：只要委員不懂，就說我們造謠。"],["翁委員曉玲：我原本以為院長您是看過我的質詢影片，你才會有這樣的發言……"],["卓院長榮泰：只要委員不懂，你就說我們造謠，這就是常態。"],["翁委員曉玲：但是沒有想到，你連看都沒有看過，然後你就……"],["卓院長榮泰：我沒有說我沒有看過，我說我現場……"],["翁委員曉玲：你剛剛不是講說你沒有看過，你明明是說農業部部長……"],["卓院長榮泰：我說「現場」，可以調帶子，我說現場我沒有看到，事後我都知道，我哪有說我沒有看過？"],["翁委員曉玲：事後都知道，你有看過我的影片嗎？你沒有，你剛剛說過了……"],["卓院長榮泰：我怎麼沒有？短片那麼多，我怎麼會沒有看到？"],["翁委員曉玲：好，那個不重要，不重要，現在你已經說了……"],["卓院長榮泰：短片那麼多，你這個委員質詢的內容拿來做成的短片那麼多，大家都看到了。"],["翁委員曉玲：好，那麼卓院長，接下來我要講的這一點你應該不會否認，你在下鄉演講的時候，你有說我為什麼要這個索資，我為什麼要請農業部部長提供給我，有關於民生必需品配售站的相關資訊，你當時說我知道……"],["卓院長榮泰：是委員想知道，還是想讓誰知道。"],["翁委員曉玲：好，我在這邊很嚴正地告訴院長我想讓誰知道，我想讓全國的老百姓知道，在發生緊急危難的時候，與民生有關的米、油、鹽等等這些重要的救命資訊，應該要讓所有的老百姓知道，我們要到哪裡去領取，而不是只有你民進黨的特權……"],["卓院長榮泰：不對、不對，委員……"],["翁委員曉玲：階級權貴才知道，不是只有你民進黨領取黨證的這些人才知道。"],["卓院長榮泰：委員不對，你完全沒有戰略觀念，委員完全沒有戰略的觀念……"],["翁委員曉玲：我沒有戰略觀念，是你沒有戰略觀念……"],["卓院長榮泰：你沒有戰略觀念。"],["翁委員曉玲：我剛剛已經說了，這完全就是公開資訊。"],["卓院長榮泰：全社會防衛內容就是……"],["翁委員曉玲：你不要再亂造謠！你現在就是一心一意地想要把所有在野黨抹黑成中共同路人，沒有想到真正的共諜就在你民進黨裡面啦！"],["卓院長榮泰：所以要抓出來。委員，你完全沒有戰略觀念，我只有一句話，全社會防衛……"],["翁委員曉玲：你不要告訴我你沒有戰略……"],["卓院長榮泰：全社會防衛就是要在適當的時候告訴人民什麼東西……"],["翁委員曉玲：你們的能力不可能去做什麼戰略。"],["卓院長榮泰：而不是在不適當的時候讓對手知道我們有什麼事情。"],["翁委員曉玲：我接下來要問，請問院長，我剛剛講了，3月29號，您在民進黨的造勢場合當中，還對臺下的民眾、民進黨支持者很煽情地說，未來翁曉玲委員所有的索資一律都要送行政院核定之後才能夠送出，您說過這句話吧！"],["卓院長榮泰：我前面還有一句話，我說我沒有權力叫委員站在後面去，但是我有權力讓委員的索資我這裡了解。"],["翁委員曉玲：站在哪裡不重要，重要的是說……"],["卓院長榮泰：重要、很重要！"],["翁委員曉玲：重要的是你是不是說過這句話。"],["卓院長榮泰：我說過。"],["翁委員曉玲：有嘛！對不對？你有說嘛，對不對？我的索資你都要看過啊！然後你要核定才能送出，對吧！"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["翁委員曉玲：請問院長，您現在看過我的索資嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：沒有。"],["翁委員曉玲：為什麼沒有？"],["卓院長榮泰：因為都不重要。"],["翁委員曉玲：因為都不重要？"],["卓院長榮泰：對。"],["翁委員曉玲：是嗎？是嗎？都不重要？"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["翁委員曉玲：那你還說這句話，你就是造謠嘛！"],["卓院長榮泰：因為還在秘書長室，都在秘書長室。"],["翁委員曉玲：你從頭到尾都在空口說白話，從你一開始質詢我的影片到你現在所說的，你哪一句不是空口說白話？你只是很煽情地告訴所有支持者說，翁曉玲委員的索資你都要看。"],["卓院長榮泰：你的索資都在院裡面啊！"],["翁委員曉玲：都在院裡面？"],["卓院長榮泰：對啊！"],["翁委員曉玲：都在院裡面，院裡的哪邊？你告訴我，現在我索資了幾份？"],["卓院長榮泰：還沒有送到我這裡來。"],["翁委員曉玲：沒有收到嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：他們認為不應該給的……"],["翁委員曉玲：我告訴你啦！到目前為止，從您說了這句話之後到上個禮拜五，我陸陸續續已經送給行政院19份了，不是行政院，是各部會……"],["卓院長榮泰：沒有安全之虞的……"],["翁委員曉玲：各部會總共19份。"],["卓院長榮泰：沒有安全之虞……"],["翁委員曉玲：已經有部會……你認為都沒有安全之虞？你這麼確定？你根本連看都沒有看過！"],["卓院長榮泰：沒有安全之虞的，我們照常會給。"],["翁委員曉玲：我告訴你，你做不到的事情就不要亂講！"],["卓院長榮泰：這是對委員的尊重，也希望委員自重。"],["翁委員曉玲：所以由此可見，你現在已經證明了一件事情，就是卓院長說的話不可信啦！你就是空口說白話，你只會喊口號，告訴支持者說，要相信我們民進黨政府、要相信我們所做的，結果呢？你完全沒有做啊！而且你根本就是造謠生事，這是我看到你在對我的這些攻擊裡面，我得出來的結果，你說我所有的索資你要看過，連我送了多少份、我送給哪個部會，我告訴你，你根本沒有看過！"],["卓院長榮泰：我們秘書長都知道，委員不用著急，都在秘書長那裡，有重要的才會到我這裡來。"],["翁委員曉玲：接下來我要問另外一個問題，所以我現在送的都不重要？都不是機密？"],["卓院長榮泰：沒有國家安全之虞。"],["翁委員曉玲：都沒有機密？所以我之前問的那個就是國家安全機密？"],["卓院長榮泰：是的。"],["翁委員曉玲：我告訴你，你好好去看看嘛，你接下來可能還會做很多的下鄉宣講，趕快去看看，好好讀一讀我的索資，我真的覺得你平常大概也沒什麼在讀書、讀資料……"],["卓院長榮泰：委員只要不要再出這種問題，我們就沒有那種顧慮。"],["翁委員曉玲：接下來我要問一個更實際的問題，行政院去年就已經說公教人員加薪3%，114年的政府總預算我們也已經通過了，總統在3月21號就公告了，可以請您告訴我，到底這筆錢什麼時候會入帳？"],["卓院長榮泰：跟委員報告，因為關於預算的問題，我們之前還送過覆議案，在覆議案之前，我們當然不宜就預算內容來動支……"],["翁委員曉玲：我現在講，總統在3月21號公告了嘛，114年總預算案已經公告了，現在已經快要4月底、快5月了，那3%的薪水什麼時候發？"],["卓院長榮泰：3%的薪水我們5月份就會發。"],["翁委員曉玲：確定？"],["卓院長榮泰：確定。"],["翁委員曉玲：那太好了！看起來我的質詢還是有效果的。"],["卓院長榮泰：早上就已經決定了，今天早上就決定了。"],["翁委員曉玲：我在上禮拜質詢之後……"],["卓院長榮泰：不是，我們今天早上就決定了。"],["翁委員曉玲：強調軍公教很倒楣，因為我們的雇主是政府，所以可以遲發薪水，然後很多的津貼啦、考績啦，這些都沒有發。"],["卓院長榮泰：委員，是因為刪預算刪到預算無法確定，不要把責任怪到行政院身上來。"],["翁委員曉玲：好，謝謝院長，現在確定5月1號會發，我希望之後不要忘記連遲延利息一起發……"],["卓院長榮泰：委員始終要人民不相信政府、委員始終要人民不相信政府，但是你對法律解讀又是一知半解，又要人民不相信政府，是因為審預算刪預算，刪到讓預算沒有辦法順利執行。"],["翁委員曉玲：我一知半解嗎？請你不要質疑我，不要質疑我一個法學教授、法學博士這樣的專業……"],["卓院長榮泰：經常啊！"],["翁委員曉玲：我跟你比，我比你懂得多。接下來我要問一下……"],["卓院長榮泰：也許啦！但是你不懂的地方更多。"],["翁委員曉玲：賴清德在公布賴17條之後，其實也引發國內很多的討論……"],["卓院長榮泰：支持度還是很高的。"],["翁委員曉玲：將大陸認定為境外敵對勢力。我想這個可能要請陸委會主委。"],["主席：請陸委會備詢。"],["翁委員曉玲：請教陸委會主委，你知道目前到底我們有多少臺灣人在大陸工作、就業、居住生活？"],["邱主任委員垂正：我們的估計有很多種算法，不過按照主計總處最近核算的，大概有40萬臺商跟他的眷屬在中國大陸長住。"],["翁委員曉玲：就是比較長期長住在中國大陸的？"],["邱主任委員垂正：對。"],["翁委員曉玲：所以在賴17條公布之後，政府有想到這群人的處境嗎？"],["邱主任委員垂正：跟委員報告，這個17條是基於我們自己國家安全、社會安定，面對中共對於我們威脅非常嚴重，不管是軍機艦擾臺、不管是懲獨22條、經濟脅迫、外交打壓，一連串的認知作戰、滲透分化，這些複合性的施壓非常嚴重。"],["翁委員曉玲：好，瞭解了。"],["邱主任委員垂正：所以我們是在堅定地維護臺海的現狀，跟國人的幸福安全。"],["翁委員曉玲：好的，謝謝主委的說明。","我接下來要問的就是，看這個情況，兩岸敵對緊張的情勢將不斷升高，我想問一下，民進黨政府有沒有撤回臺胞的計畫跟措施？"],["邱主任委員垂正：委員……"],["翁委員曉玲：我想你們應該知道嘛，日本因為因應臺灣有事的情況計畫，所以他們之前就有公布六天之內要撤離整個沖繩的居民到九州及山口縣，現在我們有四十多萬臺灣同胞在大陸算是比較長期的生活，如果說兩岸的敵對情況不斷地升高，而且真的發生什麼問題的話，政府有沒有做撤回臺胞計畫準備？"],["邱主任委員垂正：委員，我們講這個17項的因應策略，剛剛所說的都是在積極地維護臺海現狀。"],["翁委員曉玲：我現在是問你們有沒有準備撤回臺胞的計畫？"],["邱主任委員垂正：我們也有把兩岸各種風險透過海基會也好、陸委會也好，告訴我們在大陸生活的，包括臺商相關的人。"],["翁委員曉玲：好的，瞭解了，所以整體來講，看起來你們還沒有做任何的準備。","接下來我要再繼續請教，最近大家討論很多的就是陸委會建置的國人赴陸港澳動態登錄系統，而這套登錄系統其實坦白說，臺灣的老百姓並不愛用，現在到目前為止，登錄的比例大概也就只有2.45%，這是你之前所作的報告。我想請教主委的就是到底登錄這套系統之後，民進黨政府主要能夠發揮的效能是什麼？是為了要幫助臺灣同胞在大陸發生急難救助的時候，你們可以幫得上忙，是嗎？"],["邱主任委員垂正：是，跟委員報告，因為我們發現相當多的家屬來海基會、來陸委會報案，說他們的家人失蹤了，同時也有很多人被法律限制他們的人身自由，這些都要我們知道個案再跟大陸去查核。"],["翁委員曉玲：所以您剛剛說的這群人，他們基本上都沒有登錄？是都沒有登錄嗎？還是他們有登錄？我現在想要質疑的就是……"],["邱主任委員垂正：如果有登錄的話……"],["翁委員曉玲：民進黨政府執政這些年，其實與大陸方面的溝通管道是中斷的，海基會跟海協會還有在開會嗎？"],["邱主任委員垂正：就官方的正式協商……"],["翁委員曉玲：你們有對於這些事情進行交流嗎？"],["邱主任委員垂正：由於他們有協商的前提，他們不願意跟我們持續地就既有的溝通聯繫機制……"],["翁委員曉玲：是他們不願意，還是你們也沒辦法？"],["邱主任委員垂正：但是，就委員所說的……"],["翁委員曉玲：所以我要強調的就是，登錄系統的建置我不反對，但是登錄了之後，你政府積極的作為在哪裡？你們到底有沒有能力可以去維護我們臺胞在大陸的權益？發生急難狀況的時候，有辦法……"],["邱主任委員垂正：委員，如果有個案，他有登錄，我們就可以找到他家裡的相關當事人。"],["翁委員曉玲：你只是找親屬相關當事人，那何必要拜託政府？"],["邱主任委員垂正：當然也可以讓這些在大陸旅遊的人、工作的人跟政府保持聯繫。"],["翁委員曉玲：現在登錄了之後，反而讓民眾很擔心是不是政府要鎖定大家去大陸的資訊。"],["邱主任委員垂正：如果有突發事件、意外事件、急難救助……"],["翁委員曉玲：真正有突發事件，你們也沒辦法救援，然後……"],["邱主任委員垂正：我們這個登錄系統可以連結政府的資源，即時給……"],["翁委員曉玲：我希望你們可以再去多發揮急難救助的功能。"],["邱主任委員垂正：我們會不斷宣傳，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝翁曉玲委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長、陸委會的備詢。","接下來我們請登記第4位林宜瑾委員質詢，盧縣一委員請準備。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":324,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-8","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣","林國成","麥玉珍","翁曉玲","林宜瑾","盧縣一","林月琴","高金素梅","李坤城","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","劉書彬","陳永康","林俊憲","徐巧芯"],"page_start":267,"meetingDate":["2025-04-22"],"gazette_id":"1143701","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1143701_00006"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期第8次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢─ 繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1143701_00012"}}}