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00:00:31,833\n我想我们先首先先来没有进入我们今天的主题之前我们先来问一下昨天院长昨天已经特别告诉大家说这个预算要全部送出希望立法院赶快来解冻所以说行政局已经开了绿灯了文化部什么时候可以送出来解冻案\n\n3\n00:00:32,824 --> 00:01:00,139\n文化部現在正在全力趕辦當中那預計應該在這一週我們希望可以全部送出來所以說什麼時候你們把這些這個解凍案的書面報告寫好的大概陸陸續續到目前為止大概有一些也還在轉移當中那有一些當然是之前已經有準備好那因為這一次解凍案的案件量非常的大所以為了要做到所以說你們是之前就已經有很多都已經準備好了然後你知道什麼時候以前要送出來嗎\n\n4\n00:01:00,959 --> 00:01:17,652\n沒有應該這麼說我們希望一次送出不管先寫好後寫好基本上都要等到大家都準備好才會一次送出來好這個次長應該知道我下面要問什麼樣的問題我還是先提醒一下去年3月15號這個文化部是送出這個解讀要到立法院\n\n5\n00:01:18,132 --> 00:01:37,526\n然后3月27号呢就解冻只有8个案子就全部了我们现在已经到4月多了我们来看看啊为什么要问这样的问题呢我想这位基层人员我们就不用特别讲他的名字不过网络已经炸裂了啊经指示这应该是来自于文化部组织处的人所写的吧\n\n6\n00:01:38,479 --> 00:01:43,683\n應該是吧我覺得這位基層人員其實還蠻貼心的啦你看看他是在提醒大家然後這邊寫說經指示請問是誰指示部長是由部長那部長是由部長來指示然後這邊也特別告訴大家要解凍報告要再瀏覽一次要確認不會被解讀早早就寫好的避免外界誤解所以說是不是早早就寫好的沒有\n\n7\n00:02:08,459 --> 00:02:22,950\n完全沒有應該是說像我剛剛說明的好那我再問一下那你禮拜四以前就要發文如果說現在是禮拜三如果現在還沒寫好現在還陸續寫那是不是要累死我們公務員因為你禮拜四中前之前就要發就是明天就要發啦\n\n8\n00:02:24,231 --> 00:02:44,899\n應該是這樣說因為我們一路都在準備的包括很多的數字尤其剛剛委員提到說為什麼去年可以那麼快因為今年到三月份才出現其實次長以文化部的效率來說的話我說實在的早早選好並沒有什麼問題只是你們有太多政策性的部分因為明天就要交出來你今天告訴我說你們還在陸續基本上面\n\n9\n00:02:46,920 --> 00:03:00,524\n基本上面我覺得是不太可能啦而且齁我說實在的我們真的要感謝所有這些所謂的吹哨者之前也不是這個文化部所以我也沒有特別責難文化部幾乎全部的這個所謂的新冠不夠裡面全部都告訴大家不要去做解凍的部分所以呢沒有我們比誰都希望解凍當然是問題是你們剛剛所提到的還要被這樣提醒所以呢提醒是避免誤解是有避免誤解嗎因為外界這樣說我們更要謹慎行事\n\n10\n00:03:16,708 --> 00:03:43,880\n但是你还是得承认说其实很多的解冻报告你们都只是你在等待上面的命令什么时候可以一次的要等待上面的命令什么时候可以一次来做一个解冻但是呢我们再来看一下嘛说实在的第17页里面当中黑潮计划告诉我们要删减跟冻结这是在17页里面所提到的第18页要告诉我我们继续在既有资源之下面调整怎么样可以执行的一个方式比如说减少人数减少天数\n\n11\n00:03:44,720 --> 00:04:06,037\n当然是有影响但是你们还是有办法去做一些很多的一个执行的一个方式所以我真的是觉得次长我们都希望去来做这样的更合理的一个解冻的方法但是呢你很显然的很多时候呢你的业务推动其实不受到的一个很大的影响应尽的职责不表示我们不缺钱\n\n12\n00:04:06,958 --> 00:04:22,072\n這是我們應盡的職責但是也不表示你們可以把所有的責任甩鍋給在野黨這些部分也不表示可以是這樣子因為我們給予足夠的一些的預算大家一起努力啦大家一起努力嘛所以我告訴你啦我說實在的長官一張嘴啦基層跑斷腿啦然後呢整個界東報告聲聲吹啦這是目前最大的方式而且我強調不是只有文化部\n\n13\n00:04:29,159 --> 00:04:44,122\n几乎每个人都在整在上面一个命令等到时机成熟然后利用这段时间呢到处瞎瞎去告诉你我们用这个我们砍那个事实上你的业务还是有办法来进行因为赵伟给的时间非常有限所以我还是强调\n\n14\n00:04:45,043 --> 00:04:59,917\n在野党监督预算天经地义而且绝对是可以让可运作的范围如果没有办法治安难行还是有很多解决的方法请你不要到处去造谣我觉得这个才是今天最非常重要的一件事情我会努力啦但是还是希望委员支持预算\n\n15\n00:05:00,237 --> 00:05:29,212\n當然啦我們早就請你送出來啦不是你們自己要等上面指示還要請大家好好的去盤算不要讓大家有誤解早久就弄好這個過程當中其實大家就可以看出來很多公務員不是只有文化部很多各部的公務員都看不下去才紛紛告訴大家我們都準備好了包括文化部只是沒有辦法現在立即來做這樣的動作因為你們還是要留下鄉罵本可以到下鄉去做\n\n16\n00:05:30,092 --> 00:05:58,275\n很多额外的宣传好不好文化部如果真的需要用钱的话我们责无旁贷只要监督可以完全改善绝对可以来配合文化部来做这样的事情这才是我们需要做的接下来我们来看一下你今天的一个很大的主题我想请问一下今天我们特别希望能够让我们文化部我们台湾的文化能够被世界所看到那次长你认为最想被看到的台湾文化是什么在国际上\n\n17\n00:05:59,036 --> 00:06:25,738\n各种面向都希望主要是台湾的核心精神自由民主的价值当然是啊所以说呢很多用这个方法呢都利用一些补助我们也认为应该给文艺团体非常多的补助但是我们就要来问补助的标准是什么套句圈内人说说的剧本好坏是新政预算高低是新政艺术也是新政所以呢次长你了不了解我们目前为止申请补助跟核准补助的比例大概是多少\n\n18\n00:06:27,930 --> 00:06:42,890\n對於補助的標準的關鍵是專業的判斷藝術的好壞Maybe是新證但有沒有專業仍然是補助執行的標準好那所以說你剛沒有回答我問題你有沒有我說申請補助跟不同的補助會有不同的比例\n\n19\n00:06:43,050 --> 00:07:08,778\n大概比例多通过的比例大概是多少没有要看是哪一类型好为什么因为我们这边也收到一些的澄清这事后可以给文化部来参考一下但是我还是要提出目前有一些可以值得我们学习的或是我们可以来看看我们之间的比较以韩国来说以电影事业来说他们一般补助的评分的权重市场的可行性是占比是非常高的除了这个艺术跟创新之外我们接下来再来看一下所以说呢你看\n\n20\n00:07:10,779 --> 00:07:36,661\n他们评审团也还强制你的代表25%像Netflix这个采购平台代表15%而且最重要的是他们补助当中对于你首部的作品政府的出资是小于50%而且第二部作品而且要看看你到底你的效益是如何大概就会降到30%到第三部之后就会提供税务的一个优惠而且它有非常多的一个系统\n\n21\n00:07:37,301 --> 00:07:50,375\n而且他還告訴大家你如果票房投資超過300%你必須要返回補助款而且呢黑名單就是你告訴大家如果連續兩篇作品關於人次是少於10萬的話我們就會暫停資格你覺得韓國這樣一個補助標準如何\n\n22\n00:07:53,078 --> 00:07:57,661\n我覺得如果是針對產業型的投資型的尤其是針對已經有成熟市場的這樣的補助標準是很可以學習的那對於台灣來說如果你是在創作端的補助或者是你還在輔助市場尚未成熟的市場的時候你可能會需要其他\n\n23\n00:08:09,207 --> 00:08:30,760\n我也同意要给创作人才而且台湾人才是源源不绝身为一个娱乐圈第一个工作者我记得在早期的时候我们做得非常好的时候我们的其实我们的制作人都会到韩国到中国大陆去帮助他们去振兴他们告诉他们如何可是曾几何时你看我们现在已经已经置落后韩国类似这样\n\n24\n00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:55,467\n所以说所以我们要特别来去看一下我还是要给次长这样的一个数字哦虽然我也同意同意我们对于一些新萌芽的创作团体我们给予多但是呢无可否认的我们还是要考虑到我们的投资的一个效益你看台湾的总片房里面真的跟2014比来说我们市场的占比我们台湾片房的这个总占比数是14到2024呢市场的占比却降到10%然后呢到2024国片的比较跟2014来比较\n\n25\n00:09:00,509 --> 00:09:29,455\n降幅又更差更更低在我们再往下看因为时间的关系然后呢我们关于影音录制跟着逆差的部分来说你看到2017年我们粗糙都还蛮明显的到02023的时候呢其实就已经变为入超了更不要说我们过去领引整个亚洲市场的我们全球的音乐的市场我们过去来说的话台湾真的只有跟世界比起来我们降低非常的多然后呢这个指标来看我还是给次长看一下全球大概成长率10台湾只有447\n\n26\n00:09:30,515 --> 00:09:36,717\n所以我們需要更多的資助我們需要支持更多的國片的量所以你看參加我們雖然說輔助大家去參加我們全球影展的數量變高經過投資有增加很多增加很多但是我還是要強調我們在競爭的部分上面其實並沒有像我們所期待的那麼多\n\n27\n00:09:51,561 --> 00:09:52,041\n所以我就是告诉大家说\n\n28\n00:10:21,047 --> 00:10:23,788\n我們要讓國際世界看得到這點我們完全沒有問題但是補助在什麼地方補助是在市場在任何的地方的一個效益突破我覺得這也是文化部在討論這個議題當中還是要去好好的面對這個部分就是我最後提出來的\n\n29\n00:10:37,934 --> 00:10:46,117\n資源、透明度、知識力道、時事成效還有一直被詬病的不公平、不透明這些我們都要深刻檢討這樣才有辦法讓我們台灣讓我們台灣所有的人才的出品才會被世界所看到這才是我們真正應該面對的\n\n30\n00:10:54,901 --> 00:11:17,664\n我想文化部的政策一向是非常透明那針對所謂公平性的部分當然是我剛剛一開始就回答那個部分是專業那並不是文化部說要補助誰就可以補助誰那的確剛剛委員提到的整個量能影視英視場的整體量能跟國際合資合資就是現在的目標我們希望有更多的資源投入才可以讓我們迎頭趕上\n\n31\n00:11:19,325 --> 00:11:27,430\n那从刚刚的截图当中很显然5月7号8号应该排文化部的这个因为都已经事件预告都已经事件预告我们就拭目以待谢谢好谢谢谢谢克珍\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t9235\t是恩委員質詢謝謝莊委我們是不是請我們的王次長好有請王次長\n15844\t31833\t我想我们先首先先来没有进入我们今天的主题之前我们先来问一下昨天院长昨天已经特别告诉大家说这个预算要全部送出希望立法院赶快来解冻所以说行政局已经开了绿灯了文化部什么时候可以送出来解冻案\n32824\t60139\t文化部現在正在全力趕辦當中那預計應該在這一週我們希望可以全部送出來所以說什麼時候你們把這些這個解凍案的書面報告寫好的大概陸陸續續到目前為止大概有一些也還在轉移當中那有一些當然是之前已經有準備好那因為這一次解凍案的案件量非常的大所以為了要做到所以說你們是之前就已經有很多都已經準備好了然後你知道什麼時候以前要送出來嗎\n60959\t77652\t沒有應該這麼說我們希望一次送出不管先寫好後寫好基本上都要等到大家都準備好才會一次送出來好這個次長應該知道我下面要問什麼樣的問題我還是先提醒一下去年3月15號這個文化部是送出這個解讀要到立法院\n78132\t97526\t然后3月27号呢就解冻只有8个案子就全部了我们现在已经到4月多了我们来看看啊为什么要问这样的问题呢我想这位基层人员我们就不用特别讲他的名字不过网络已经炸裂了啊经指示这应该是来自于文化部组织处的人所写的吧\n98479\t103683\t應該是吧我覺得這位基層人員其實還蠻貼心的啦你看看他是在提醒大家然後這邊寫說經指示請問是誰指示部長是由部長那部長是由部長來指示然後這邊也特別告訴大家要解凍報告要再瀏覽一次要確認不會被解讀早早就寫好的避免外界誤解所以說是不是早早就寫好的沒有\n128459\t142950\t完全沒有應該是說像我剛剛說明的好那我再問一下那你禮拜四以前就要發文如果說現在是禮拜三如果現在還沒寫好現在還陸續寫那是不是要累死我們公務員因為你禮拜四中前之前就要發就是明天就要發啦\n144231\t164899\t應該是這樣說因為我們一路都在準備的包括很多的數字尤其剛剛委員提到說為什麼去年可以那麼快因為今年到三月份才出現其實次長以文化部的效率來說的話我說實在的早早選好並沒有什麼問題只是你們有太多政策性的部分因為明天就要交出來你今天告訴我說你們還在陸續基本上面\n166920\t180524\t基本上面我覺得是不太可能啦而且齁我說實在的我們真的要感謝所有這些所謂的吹哨者之前也不是這個文化部所以我也沒有特別責難文化部幾乎全部的這個所謂的新冠不夠裡面全部都告訴大家不要去做解凍的部分所以呢沒有我們比誰都希望解凍當然是問題是你們剛剛所提到的還要被這樣提醒所以呢提醒是避免誤解是有避免誤解嗎因為外界這樣說我們更要謹慎行事\n196708\t223880\t但是你还是得承认说其实很多的解冻报告你们都只是你在等待上面的命令什么时候可以一次的要等待上面的命令什么时候可以一次来做一个解冻但是呢我们再来看一下嘛说实在的第17页里面当中黑潮计划告诉我们要删减跟冻结这是在17页里面所提到的第18页要告诉我我们继续在既有资源之下面调整怎么样可以执行的一个方式比如说减少人数减少天数\n224720\t246037\t当然是有影响但是你们还是有办法去做一些很多的一个执行的一个方式所以我真的是觉得次长我们都希望去来做这样的更合理的一个解冻的方法但是呢你很显然的很多时候呢你的业务推动其实不受到的一个很大的影响应尽的职责不表示我们不缺钱\n246958\t262072\t這是我們應盡的職責但是也不表示你們可以把所有的責任甩鍋給在野黨這些部分也不表示可以是這樣子因為我們給予足夠的一些的預算大家一起努力啦大家一起努力嘛 所以我告訴你啦 我說實在的長官一張嘴啦 基層跑斷腿啦然後呢整個界東報告聲聲吹啦這是目前最大的方式而且我強調不是只有文化部\n269159\t284122\t几乎每个人都在整在上面一个命令等到时机成熟然后利用这段时间呢到处瞎瞎去告诉你我们用这个我们砍那个事实上你的业务还是有办法来进行因为赵伟给的时间非常有限所以我还是强调\n285043\t299917\t在野党监督预算天经地义而且绝对是可以让可运作的范围如果没有办法治安难行还是有很多解决的方法请你不要到处去造谣我觉得这个才是今天最非常重要的一件事情我会努力啦但是还是希望委员支持预算\n300237\t329212\t當然啦我們早就請你送出來啦不是你們自己要等上面指示還要請大家好好的去盤算不要讓大家有誤解早久就弄好這個過程當中其實大家就可以看出來很多公務員不是只有文化部很多各部的公務員都看不下去才紛紛告訴大家我們都準備好了包括文化部只是沒有辦法現在立即來做這樣的動作因為你們還是要留下鄉罵本可以到下鄉去做\n330092\t358275\t很多额外的宣传好不好文化部如果真的需要用钱的话我们责无旁贷只要监督可以完全改善绝对可以来配合文化部来做这样的事情这才是我们需要做的接下来我们来看一下你今天的一个很大的主题我想请问一下今天我们特别希望能够让我们文化部我们台湾的文化能够被世界所看到那次长你认为最想被看到的台湾文化是什么在国际上\n359036\t385738\t各种面向都希望主要是台湾的核心精神自由民主的价值当然是啊所以说呢很多用这个方法呢都利用一些补助我们也认为应该给文艺团体非常多的补助但是我们就要来问补助的标准是什么套句圈内人说说的剧本好坏是新政预算高低是新政艺术也是新政所以呢次长你了不了解我们目前为止申请补助跟核准补助的比例大概是多少\n387930\t402890\t對於補助的標準的關鍵是專業的判斷藝術的好壞Maybe是新證但有沒有專業仍然是補助執行的標準好那所以說你剛沒有回答我問題你有沒有我說申請補助跟不同的補助會有不同的比例\n403050\t428778\t大概比例多通过的比例大概是多少没有要看是哪一类型好为什么因为我们这边也收到一些的澄清这事后可以给文化部来参考一下但是我还是要提出目前有一些可以值得我们学习的或是我们可以来看看我们之间的比较以韩国来说以电影事业来说他们一般补助的评分的权重市场的可行性是占比是非常高的除了这个艺术跟创新之外我们接下来再来看一下所以说呢你看\n430779\t456661\t他们评审团也还强制你的代表25%像Netflix这个采购平台代表15%而且最重要的是他们补助当中对于你首部的作品政府的出资是小于50%而且第二部作品而且要看看你到底你的效益是如何大概就会降到30%到第三部之后就会提供税务的一个优惠而且它有非常多的一个系统\n457301\t470375\t而且他還告訴大家你如果票房投資超過300%你必須要返回補助款而且呢黑名單就是你告訴大家如果連續兩篇作品關於人次是少於10萬的話我們就會暫停資格你覺得韓國這樣一個補助標準如何\n473078\t477661\t我覺得如果是針對產業型的投資型的尤其是針對已經有成熟市場的這樣的補助標準是很可以學習的那對於台灣來說如果你是在創作端的補助或者是你還在輔助市場尚未成熟的市場的時候你可能會需要其他\n489207\t510760\t我也同意要给创作人才而且台湾人才是源源不绝身为一个娱乐圈第一个工作者我记得在早期的时候我们做得非常好的时候我们的其实我们的制作人都会到韩国到中国大陆去帮助他们去振兴他们告诉他们如何可是曾几何时你看我们现在已经已经置落后韩国类似这样\n511520\t535467\t所以说所以我们要特别来去看一下我还是要给次长这样的一个数字哦虽然我也同意同意我们对于一些新萌芽的创作团体我们给予多但是呢无可否认的我们还是要考虑到我们的投资的一个效益你看台湾的总片房里面真的跟2014比来说我们市场的占比我们台湾片房的这个总占比数是14到2024呢市场的占比却降到10%然后呢到2024国片的比较跟2014来比较\n540509\t569455\t降幅又更差更更低在我们再往下看因为时间的关系然后呢我们关于影音录制跟着逆差的部分来说你看到2017年我们粗糙都还蛮明显的到02023的时候呢其实就已经变为入超了更不要说我们过去领引整个亚洲市场的我们全球的音乐的市场我们过去来说的话台湾真的只有跟世界比起来我们降低非常的多然后呢这个指标来看我还是给次长看一下全球大概成长率10台湾只有4 47\n570515\t576717\t所以我們需要更多的資助我們需要支持更多的國片的量所以你看參加我們雖然說輔助大家去參加我們全球影展的數量變高經過投資有增加很多增加很多但是我還是要強調我們在競爭的部分上面其實並沒有像我們所期待的那麼多\n591561\t592041\t所以我就是告诉大家说\n621047\t623788\t我們要讓國際世界看得到這點我們完全沒有問題但是補助在什麼地方補助是在市場在任何的地方的一個效益突破我覺得這也是文化部在討論這個議題當中還是要去好好的面對這個部分就是我最後提出來的\n637934\t646117\t資源、透明度、知識力道、時事成效還有一直被詬病的不公平、不透明這些我們都要深刻檢討這樣才有辦法讓我們台灣讓我們台灣所有的人才的出品才會被世界所看到這才是我們真正應該面對的\n654901\t677664\t我想文化部的政策一向是非常透明那針對所謂公平性的部分當然是我剛剛一開始就回答那個部分是專業那並不是文化部說要補助誰就可以補助誰那的確剛剛委員提到的整個量能影視英視場的整體量能跟國際合資合資就是現在的目標我們希望有更多的資源投入才可以讓我們迎頭趕上\n679325\t687430\t那从刚刚的截图当中很显然5月7号8号应该排文化部的这个因为都已经事件预告都已经事件预告我们就拭目以待谢谢好谢谢谢谢克珍\n","txt":"是恩委員質詢謝謝莊委我們是不是請我們的王次長好有請王次長\n我想我们先首先先来没有进入我们今天的主题之前我们先来问一下昨天院长昨天已经特别告诉大家说这个预算要全部送出希望立法院赶快来解冻所以说行政局已经开了绿灯了文化部什么时候可以送出来解冻案\n文化部現在正在全力趕辦當中那預計應該在這一週我們希望可以全部送出來所以說什麼時候你們把這些這個解凍案的書面報告寫好的大概陸陸續續到目前為止大概有一些也還在轉移當中那有一些當然是之前已經有準備好那因為這一次解凍案的案件量非常的大所以為了要做到所以說你們是之前就已經有很多都已經準備好了然後你知道什麼時候以前要送出來嗎\n沒有應該這麼說我們希望一次送出不管先寫好後寫好基本上都要等到大家都準備好才會一次送出來好這個次長應該知道我下面要問什麼樣的問題我還是先提醒一下去年3月15號這個文化部是送出這個解讀要到立法院\n然后3月27号呢就解冻只有8个案子就全部了我们现在已经到4月多了我们来看看啊为什么要问这样的问题呢我想这位基层人员我们就不用特别讲他的名字不过网络已经炸裂了啊经指示这应该是来自于文化部组织处的人所写的吧\n應該是吧我覺得這位基層人員其實還蠻貼心的啦你看看他是在提醒大家然後這邊寫說經指示請問是誰指示部長是由部長那部長是由部長來指示然後這邊也特別告訴大家要解凍報告要再瀏覽一次要確認不會被解讀早早就寫好的避免外界誤解所以說是不是早早就寫好的沒有\n完全沒有應該是說像我剛剛說明的好那我再問一下那你禮拜四以前就要發文如果說現在是禮拜三如果現在還沒寫好現在還陸續寫那是不是要累死我們公務員因為你禮拜四中前之前就要發就是明天就要發啦\n應該是這樣說因為我們一路都在準備的包括很多的數字尤其剛剛委員提到說為什麼去年可以那麼快因為今年到三月份才出現其實次長以文化部的效率來說的話我說實在的早早選好並沒有什麼問題只是你們有太多政策性的部分因為明天就要交出來你今天告訴我說你們還在陸續基本上面\n基本上面我覺得是不太可能啦而且齁我說實在的我們真的要感謝所有這些所謂的吹哨者之前也不是這個文化部所以我也沒有特別責難文化部幾乎全部的這個所謂的新冠不夠裡面全部都告訴大家不要去做解凍的部分所以呢沒有我們比誰都希望解凍當然是問題是你們剛剛所提到的還要被這樣提醒所以呢提醒是避免誤解是有避免誤解嗎因為外界這樣說我們更要謹慎行事\n但是你还是得承认说其实很多的解冻报告你们都只是你在等待上面的命令什么时候可以一次的要等待上面的命令什么时候可以一次来做一个解冻但是呢我们再来看一下嘛说实在的第17页里面当中黑潮计划告诉我们要删减跟冻结这是在17页里面所提到的第18页要告诉我我们继续在既有资源之下面调整怎么样可以执行的一个方式比如说减少人数减少天数\n当然是有影响但是你们还是有办法去做一些很多的一个执行的一个方式所以我真的是觉得次长我们都希望去来做这样的更合理的一个解冻的方法但是呢你很显然的很多时候呢你的业务推动其实不受到的一个很大的影响应尽的职责不表示我们不缺钱\n這是我們應盡的職責但是也不表示你們可以把所有的責任甩鍋給在野黨這些部分也不表示可以是這樣子因為我們給予足夠的一些的預算大家一起努力啦大家一起努力嘛 所以我告訴你啦 我說實在的長官一張嘴啦 基層跑斷腿啦然後呢整個界東報告聲聲吹啦這是目前最大的方式而且我強調不是只有文化部\n几乎每个人都在整在上面一个命令等到时机成熟然后利用这段时间呢到处瞎瞎去告诉你我们用这个我们砍那个事实上你的业务还是有办法来进行因为赵伟给的时间非常有限所以我还是强调\n在野党监督预算天经地义而且绝对是可以让可运作的范围如果没有办法治安难行还是有很多解决的方法请你不要到处去造谣我觉得这个才是今天最非常重要的一件事情我会努力啦但是还是希望委员支持预算\n當然啦我們早就請你送出來啦不是你們自己要等上面指示還要請大家好好的去盤算不要讓大家有誤解早久就弄好這個過程當中其實大家就可以看出來很多公務員不是只有文化部很多各部的公務員都看不下去才紛紛告訴大家我們都準備好了包括文化部只是沒有辦法現在立即來做這樣的動作因為你們還是要留下鄉罵本可以到下鄉去做\n很多额外的宣传好不好文化部如果真的需要用钱的话我们责无旁贷只要监督可以完全改善绝对可以来配合文化部来做这样的事情这才是我们需要做的接下来我们来看一下你今天的一个很大的主题我想请问一下今天我们特别希望能够让我们文化部我们台湾的文化能够被世界所看到那次长你认为最想被看到的台湾文化是什么在国际上\n各种面向都希望主要是台湾的核心精神自由民主的价值当然是啊所以说呢很多用这个方法呢都利用一些补助我们也认为应该给文艺团体非常多的补助但是我们就要来问补助的标准是什么套句圈内人说说的剧本好坏是新政预算高低是新政艺术也是新政所以呢次长你了不了解我们目前为止申请补助跟核准补助的比例大概是多少\n對於補助的標準的關鍵是專業的判斷藝術的好壞Maybe是新證但有沒有專業仍然是補助執行的標準好那所以說你剛沒有回答我問題你有沒有我說申請補助跟不同的補助會有不同的比例\n大概比例多通过的比例大概是多少没有要看是哪一类型好为什么因为我们这边也收到一些的澄清这事后可以给文化部来参考一下但是我还是要提出目前有一些可以值得我们学习的或是我们可以来看看我们之间的比较以韩国来说以电影事业来说他们一般补助的评分的权重市场的可行性是占比是非常高的除了这个艺术跟创新之外我们接下来再来看一下所以说呢你看\n他们评审团也还强制你的代表25%像Netflix这个采购平台代表15%而且最重要的是他们补助当中对于你首部的作品政府的出资是小于50%而且第二部作品而且要看看你到底你的效益是如何大概就会降到30%到第三部之后就会提供税务的一个优惠而且它有非常多的一个系统\n而且他還告訴大家你如果票房投資超過300%你必須要返回補助款而且呢黑名單就是你告訴大家如果連續兩篇作品關於人次是少於10萬的話我們就會暫停資格你覺得韓國這樣一個補助標準如何\n我覺得如果是針對產業型的投資型的尤其是針對已經有成熟市場的這樣的補助標準是很可以學習的那對於台灣來說如果你是在創作端的補助或者是你還在輔助市場尚未成熟的市場的時候你可能會需要其他\n我也同意要给创作人才而且台湾人才是源源不绝身为一个娱乐圈第一个工作者我记得在早期的时候我们做得非常好的时候我们的其实我们的制作人都会到韩国到中国大陆去帮助他们去振兴他们告诉他们如何可是曾几何时你看我们现在已经已经置落后韩国类似这样\n所以说所以我们要特别来去看一下我还是要给次长这样的一个数字哦虽然我也同意同意我们对于一些新萌芽的创作团体我们给予多但是呢无可否认的我们还是要考虑到我们的投资的一个效益你看台湾的总片房里面真的跟2014比来说我们市场的占比我们台湾片房的这个总占比数是14到2024呢市场的占比却降到10%然后呢到2024国片的比较跟2014来比较\n降幅又更差更更低在我们再往下看因为时间的关系然后呢我们关于影音录制跟着逆差的部分来说你看到2017年我们粗糙都还蛮明显的到02023的时候呢其实就已经变为入超了更不要说我们过去领引整个亚洲市场的我们全球的音乐的市场我们过去来说的话台湾真的只有跟世界比起来我们降低非常的多然后呢这个指标来看我还是给次长看一下全球大概成长率10台湾只有4 47\n所以我們需要更多的資助我們需要支持更多的國片的量所以你看參加我們雖然說輔助大家去參加我們全球影展的數量變高經過投資有增加很多增加很多但是我還是要強調我們在競爭的部分上面其實並沒有像我們所期待的那麼多\n所以我就是告诉大家说\n我們要讓國際世界看得到這點我們完全沒有問題但是補助在什麼地方補助是在市場在任何的地方的一個效益突破我覺得這也是文化部在討論這個議題當中還是要去好好的面對這個部分就是我最後提出來的\n資源、透明度、知識力道、時事成效還有一直被詬病的不公平、不透明這些我們都要深刻檢討這樣才有辦法讓我們台灣讓我們台灣所有的人才的出品才會被世界所看到這才是我們真正應該面對的\n我想文化部的政策一向是非常透明那針對所謂公平性的部分當然是我剛剛一開始就回答那個部分是專業那並不是文化部說要補助誰就可以補助誰那的確剛剛委員提到的整個量能影視英視場的整體量能跟國際合資合資就是現在的目標我們希望有更多的資源投入才可以讓我們迎頭趕上\n那从刚刚的截图当中很显然5月7号8号应该排文化部的这个因为都已经事件预告都已经事件预告我们就拭目以待谢谢好谢谢谢谢克珍\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:09.235\n是恩委員質詢謝謝莊委我們是不是請我們的王次長好有請王次長\n\n00:15.844 --> 00:31.833\n我想我们先首先先来没有进入我们今天的主题之前我们先来问一下昨天院长昨天已经特别告诉大家说这个预算要全部送出希望立法院赶快来解冻所以说行政局已经开了绿灯了文化部什么时候可以送出来解冻案\n\n00:32.824 --> 01:00.139\n文化部現在正在全力趕辦當中那預計應該在這一週我們希望可以全部送出來所以說什麼時候你們把這些這個解凍案的書面報告寫好的大概陸陸續續到目前為止大概有一些也還在轉移當中那有一些當然是之前已經有準備好那因為這一次解凍案的案件量非常的大所以為了要做到所以說你們是之前就已經有很多都已經準備好了然後你知道什麼時候以前要送出來嗎\n\n01:00.959 --> 01:17.652\n沒有應該這麼說我們希望一次送出不管先寫好後寫好基本上都要等到大家都準備好才會一次送出來好這個次長應該知道我下面要問什麼樣的問題我還是先提醒一下去年3月15號這個文化部是送出這個解讀要到立法院\n\n01:18.132 --> 01:37.526\n然后3月27号呢就解冻只有8个案子就全部了我们现在已经到4月多了我们来看看啊为什么要问这样的问题呢我想这位基层人员我们就不用特别讲他的名字不过网络已经炸裂了啊经指示这应该是来自于文化部组织处的人所写的吧\n\n01:38.479 --> 01:43.683\n應該是吧我覺得這位基層人員其實還蠻貼心的啦你看看他是在提醒大家然後這邊寫說經指示請問是誰指示部長是由部長那部長是由部長來指示然後這邊也特別告訴大家要解凍報告要再瀏覽一次要確認不會被解讀早早就寫好的避免外界誤解所以說是不是早早就寫好的沒有\n\n02:08.459 --> 02:22.950\n完全沒有應該是說像我剛剛說明的好那我再問一下那你禮拜四以前就要發文如果說現在是禮拜三如果現在還沒寫好現在還陸續寫那是不是要累死我們公務員因為你禮拜四中前之前就要發就是明天就要發啦\n\n02:24.231 --> 02:44.899\n應該是這樣說因為我們一路都在準備的包括很多的數字尤其剛剛委員提到說為什麼去年可以那麼快因為今年到三月份才出現其實次長以文化部的效率來說的話我說實在的早早選好並沒有什麼問題只是你們有太多政策性的部分因為明天就要交出來你今天告訴我說你們還在陸續基本上面\n\n02:46.920 --> 03:00.524\n基本上面我覺得是不太可能啦而且齁我說實在的我們真的要感謝所有這些所謂的吹哨者之前也不是這個文化部所以我也沒有特別責難文化部幾乎全部的這個所謂的新冠不夠裡面全部都告訴大家不要去做解凍的部分所以呢沒有我們比誰都希望解凍當然是問題是你們剛剛所提到的還要被這樣提醒所以呢提醒是避免誤解是有避免誤解嗎因為外界這樣說我們更要謹慎行事\n\n03:16.708 --> 03:43.880\n但是你还是得承认说其实很多的解冻报告你们都只是你在等待上面的命令什么时候可以一次的要等待上面的命令什么时候可以一次来做一个解冻但是呢我们再来看一下嘛说实在的第17页里面当中黑潮计划告诉我们要删减跟冻结这是在17页里面所提到的第18页要告诉我我们继续在既有资源之下面调整怎么样可以执行的一个方式比如说减少人数减少天数\n\n03:44.720 --> 04:06.037\n当然是有影响但是你们还是有办法去做一些很多的一个执行的一个方式所以我真的是觉得次长我们都希望去来做这样的更合理的一个解冻的方法但是呢你很显然的很多时候呢你的业务推动其实不受到的一个很大的影响应尽的职责不表示我们不缺钱\n\n04:06.958 --> 04:22.072\n這是我們應盡的職責但是也不表示你們可以把所有的責任甩鍋給在野黨這些部分也不表示可以是這樣子因為我們給予足夠的一些的預算大家一起努力啦大家一起努力嘛所以我告訴你啦我說實在的長官一張嘴啦基層跑斷腿啦然後呢整個界東報告聲聲吹啦這是目前最大的方式而且我強調不是只有文化部\n\n04:29.159 --> 04:44.122\n几乎每个人都在整在上面一个命令等到时机成熟然后利用这段时间呢到处瞎瞎去告诉你我们用这个我们砍那个事实上你的业务还是有办法来进行因为赵伟给的时间非常有限所以我还是强调\n\n04:45.043 --> 04:59.917\n在野党监督预算天经地义而且绝对是可以让可运作的范围如果没有办法治安难行还是有很多解决的方法请你不要到处去造谣我觉得这个才是今天最非常重要的一件事情我会努力啦但是还是希望委员支持预算\n\n05:00.237 --> 05:29.212\n當然啦我們早就請你送出來啦不是你們自己要等上面指示還要請大家好好的去盤算不要讓大家有誤解早久就弄好這個過程當中其實大家就可以看出來很多公務員不是只有文化部很多各部的公務員都看不下去才紛紛告訴大家我們都準備好了包括文化部只是沒有辦法現在立即來做這樣的動作因為你們還是要留下鄉罵本可以到下鄉去做\n\n05:30.092 --> 05:58.275\n很多额外的宣传好不好文化部如果真的需要用钱的话我们责无旁贷只要监督可以完全改善绝对可以来配合文化部来做这样的事情这才是我们需要做的接下来我们来看一下你今天的一个很大的主题我想请问一下今天我们特别希望能够让我们文化部我们台湾的文化能够被世界所看到那次长你认为最想被看到的台湾文化是什么在国际上\n\n05:59.036 --> 06:25.738\n各种面向都希望主要是台湾的核心精神自由民主的价值当然是啊所以说呢很多用这个方法呢都利用一些补助我们也认为应该给文艺团体非常多的补助但是我们就要来问补助的标准是什么套句圈内人说说的剧本好坏是新政预算高低是新政艺术也是新政所以呢次长你了不了解我们目前为止申请补助跟核准补助的比例大概是多少\n\n06:27.930 --> 06:42.890\n對於補助的標準的關鍵是專業的判斷藝術的好壞Maybe是新證但有沒有專業仍然是補助執行的標準好那所以說你剛沒有回答我問題你有沒有我說申請補助跟不同的補助會有不同的比例\n\n06:43.050 --> 07:08.778\n大概比例多通过的比例大概是多少没有要看是哪一类型好为什么因为我们这边也收到一些的澄清这事后可以给文化部来参考一下但是我还是要提出目前有一些可以值得我们学习的或是我们可以来看看我们之间的比较以韩国来说以电影事业来说他们一般补助的评分的权重市场的可行性是占比是非常高的除了这个艺术跟创新之外我们接下来再来看一下所以说呢你看\n\n07:10.779 --> 07:36.661\n他们评审团也还强制你的代表25%像Netflix这个采购平台代表15%而且最重要的是他们补助当中对于你首部的作品政府的出资是小于50%而且第二部作品而且要看看你到底你的效益是如何大概就会降到30%到第三部之后就会提供税务的一个优惠而且它有非常多的一个系统\n\n07:37.301 --> 07:50.375\n而且他還告訴大家你如果票房投資超過300%你必須要返回補助款而且呢黑名單就是你告訴大家如果連續兩篇作品關於人次是少於10萬的話我們就會暫停資格你覺得韓國這樣一個補助標準如何\n\n07:53.078 --> 07:57.661\n我覺得如果是針對產業型的投資型的尤其是針對已經有成熟市場的這樣的補助標準是很可以學習的那對於台灣來說如果你是在創作端的補助或者是你還在輔助市場尚未成熟的市場的時候你可能會需要其他\n\n08:09.207 --> 08:30.760\n我也同意要给创作人才而且台湾人才是源源不绝身为一个娱乐圈第一个工作者我记得在早期的时候我们做得非常好的时候我们的其实我们的制作人都会到韩国到中国大陆去帮助他们去振兴他们告诉他们如何可是曾几何时你看我们现在已经已经置落后韩国类似这样\n\n08:31.520 --> 08:55.467\n所以说所以我们要特别来去看一下我还是要给次长这样的一个数字哦虽然我也同意同意我们对于一些新萌芽的创作团体我们给予多但是呢无可否认的我们还是要考虑到我们的投资的一个效益你看台湾的总片房里面真的跟2014比来说我们市场的占比我们台湾片房的这个总占比数是14到2024呢市场的占比却降到10%然后呢到2024国片的比较跟2014来比较\n\n09:00.509 --> 09:29.455\n降幅又更差更更低在我们再往下看因为时间的关系然后呢我们关于影音录制跟着逆差的部分来说你看到2017年我们粗糙都还蛮明显的到02023的时候呢其实就已经变为入超了更不要说我们过去领引整个亚洲市场的我们全球的音乐的市场我们过去来说的话台湾真的只有跟世界比起来我们降低非常的多然后呢这个指标来看我还是给次长看一下全球大概成长率10台湾只有447\n\n09:30.515 --> 09:36.717\n所以我們需要更多的資助我們需要支持更多的國片的量所以你看參加我們雖然說輔助大家去參加我們全球影展的數量變高經過投資有增加很多增加很多但是我還是要強調我們在競爭的部分上面其實並沒有像我們所期待的那麼多\n\n09:51.561 --> 09:52.041\n所以我就是告诉大家说\n\n10:21.047 --> 10:23.788\n我們要讓國際世界看得到這點我們完全沒有問題但是補助在什麼地方補助是在市場在任何的地方的一個效益突破我覺得這也是文化部在討論這個議題當中還是要去好好的面對這個部分就是我最後提出來的\n\n10:37.934 --> 10:46.117\n資源、透明度、知識力道、時事成效還有一直被詬病的不公平、不透明這些我們都要深刻檢討這樣才有辦法讓我們台灣讓我們台灣所有的人才的出品才會被世界所看到這才是我們真正應該面對的\n\n10:54.901 --> 11:17.664\n我想文化部的政策一向是非常透明那針對所謂公平性的部分當然是我剛剛一開始就回答那個部分是專業那並不是文化部說要補助誰就可以補助誰那的確剛剛委員提到的整個量能影視英視場的整體量能跟國際合資合資就是現在的目標我們希望有更多的資源投入才可以讓我們迎頭趕上\n\n11:19.325 --> 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所以我告訴你啦 我說實在的長官一張嘴啦 基層跑斷腿啦然後呢整個界東報告聲聲吹啦這是目前最大的方式而且我強調不是只有文化部"},{"start":269.159,"end":284.122,"text":"几乎每个人都在整在上面一个命令等到时机成熟然后利用这段时间呢到处瞎瞎去告诉你我们用这个我们砍那个事实上你的业务还是有办法来进行因为赵伟给的时间非常有限所以我还是强调"},{"start":285.043,"end":299.917,"text":"在野党监督预算天经地义而且绝对是可以让可运作的范围如果没有办法治安难行还是有很多解决的方法请你不要到处去造谣我觉得这个才是今天最非常重要的一件事情我会努力啦但是还是希望委员支持预算"},{"start":300.237,"end":329.212,"text":"當然啦我們早就請你送出來啦不是你們自己要等上面指示還要請大家好好的去盤算不要讓大家有誤解早久就弄好這個過程當中其實大家就可以看出來很多公務員不是只有文化部很多各部的公務員都看不下去才紛紛告訴大家我們都準備好了包括文化部只是沒有辦法現在立即來做這樣的動作因為你們還是要留下鄉罵本可以到下鄉去做"},{"start":330.092,"end":358.275,"text":"很多额外的宣传好不好文化部如果真的需要用钱的话我们责无旁贷只要监督可以完全改善绝对可以来配合文化部来做这样的事情这才是我们需要做的接下来我们来看一下你今天的一个很大的主题我想请问一下今天我们特别希望能够让我们文化部我们台湾的文化能够被世界所看到那次长你认为最想被看到的台湾文化是什么在国际上"},{"start":359.036,"end":385.738,"text":"各种面向都希望主要是台湾的核心精神自由民主的价值当然是啊所以说呢很多用这个方法呢都利用一些补助我们也认为应该给文艺团体非常多的补助但是我们就要来问补助的标准是什么套句圈内人说说的剧本好坏是新政预算高低是新政艺术也是新政所以呢次长你了不了解我们目前为止申请补助跟核准补助的比例大概是多少"},{"start":387.93,"end":402.89,"text":"對於補助的標準的關鍵是專業的判斷藝術的好壞Maybe是新證但有沒有專業仍然是補助執行的標準好那所以說你剛沒有回答我問題你有沒有我說申請補助跟不同的補助會有不同的比例"},{"start":403.05,"end":428.778,"text":"大概比例多通过的比例大概是多少没有要看是哪一类型好为什么因为我们这边也收到一些的澄清这事后可以给文化部来参考一下但是我还是要提出目前有一些可以值得我们学习的或是我们可以来看看我们之间的比较以韩国来说以电影事业来说他们一般补助的评分的权重市场的可行性是占比是非常高的除了这个艺术跟创新之外我们接下来再来看一下所以说呢你看"},{"start":430.779,"end":456.661,"text":"他们评审团也还强制你的代表25%像Netflix这个采购平台代表15%而且最重要的是他们补助当中对于你首部的作品政府的出资是小于50%而且第二部作品而且要看看你到底你的效益是如何大概就会降到30%到第三部之后就会提供税务的一个优惠而且它有非常多的一个系统"},{"start":457.301,"end":470.375,"text":"而且他還告訴大家你如果票房投資超過300%你必須要返回補助款而且呢黑名單就是你告訴大家如果連續兩篇作品關於人次是少於10萬的話我們就會暫停資格你覺得韓國這樣一個補助標準如何"},{"start":473.078,"end":477.661,"text":"我覺得如果是針對產業型的投資型的尤其是針對已經有成熟市場的這樣的補助標準是很可以學習的那對於台灣來說如果你是在創作端的補助或者是你還在輔助市場尚未成熟的市場的時候你可能會需要其他"},{"start":489.207,"end":510.76,"text":"我也同意要给创作人才而且台湾人才是源源不绝身为一个娱乐圈第一个工作者我记得在早期的时候我们做得非常好的时候我们的其实我们的制作人都会到韩国到中国大陆去帮助他们去振兴他们告诉他们如何可是曾几何时你看我们现在已经已经置落后韩国类似这样"},{"start":511.52,"end":535.467,"text":"所以说所以我们要特别来去看一下我还是要给次长这样的一个数字哦虽然我也同意同意我们对于一些新萌芽的创作团体我们给予多但是呢无可否认的我们还是要考虑到我们的投资的一个效益你看台湾的总片房里面真的跟2014比来说我们市场的占比我们台湾片房的这个总占比数是14到2024呢市场的占比却降到10%然后呢到2024国片的比较跟2014来比较"},{"start":540.509,"end":569.455,"text":"降幅又更差更更低在我们再往下看因为时间的关系然后呢我们关于影音录制跟着逆差的部分来说你看到2017年我们粗糙都还蛮明显的到02023的时候呢其实就已经变为入超了更不要说我们过去领引整个亚洲市场的我们全球的音乐的市场我们过去来说的话台湾真的只有跟世界比起来我们降低非常的多然后呢这个指标来看我还是给次长看一下全球大概成长率10台湾只有4 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入選的部分……"],["王次長時思：擴大產業的量能，的確是我們現階段的工作。"],["柯委員志恩：所以我就是告訴大家，我們要讓國際世界看得到，這一點我們完全沒有問題，但是補助在什麼地方，補助在市場、在任何地方的效益度……"],["王次長時思：所以才會有投資類型的……"],["柯委員志恩：我覺得這也是文化部在討論這個議題時要好好去面對的部分。就是我最後提出來的資源分配、政策透明度、支持力道、實施成效，還有一直被詬病的不公平、不透明，這些我們都要深刻檢討，這樣才有辦法讓臺灣所有人才的出品被世界所看到，這才是我們真正應該面對的。"],["王次長時思：文化部的政策一向是非常透明，針對所謂公平性的部分，當然我剛剛一開始就回答，那個部分是專業，並不是文化部說要補助誰就可以補助誰。的確，剛剛委員提到的整個量能，影視音市場的整體量能跟國際合製合資就是現在的目標，我們希望有更多的資源投入，才可以讓我們迎頭趕上，也希望委員能夠支持。"],["柯委員志恩：好，從剛剛的截圖當中，很顯然5月7號、8號應該會排文化部的解凍案，因為都已經事先預告……"],["王次長時思：我們會努力在那之前……"],["柯委員志恩：都已經事先預告，我們就拭目以待，謝謝。"],["王次長時思：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝柯志恩委員，次長請回。"],["主席（陳委員秀寳代）：接下來請林宜瑾召委質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":440,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-22-8","speakers":["林宜瑾","柯志恩","陳秀寳","劉書彬","羅廷瑋","葛如鈞","葉元之","郭昱晴","吳沛憶","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","張雅琳","林沛祥","范雲","萬美玲","陳培瑜","陳冠廷","何欣純","蔡易餘","徐欣瑩"],"page_start":381,"meetingDate":["2025-04-23"],"gazette_id":"1144202","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1144202_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請文化部次長王時思列席就「樂為世界人─臺灣文化發展與國際能見度之突破及挑戰」進行專\n題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1144202_00002"}}}