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00:02:51,707\n對這一部分我們大概都會要求業者要做出這樣的一個承諾對這個我們的邊境的這個管理對這個所有的產品就是流露出去的這種他們都要拒絕那政府的作為上面會不會給予更多的一些約束和要求\n\n9\n00:02:53,240 --> 00:03:09,488\n我們的規範是這樣子就是說按照美國的要求那因為美國這些美商是他的客戶客戶我們當然是幫助這個台灣的廠商讓他們充分了解客戶的需求\n\n10\n00:03:10,428 --> 00:03:31,367\n然後協助他們不要去預約的這樣的一個規範我們還是希望進一步的再三提醒再三要求不要讓少數的一些行為讓這個台美這樣的一個默契跟關係受到一些影響特別是在它有可能會牽動到我們的關稅的談判的結果甚至於美方對台灣的信任關係我認為這一塊\n\n11\n00:03:32,748 --> 00:03:46,017\n也請經濟部不只是溝通應該還是要加大一些力道讓我們的所有的業者必須要很清楚知道我們在這一條上面我們是跟這個對於這個紅色公寓這一塊我們是非常在意非常要求的\n\n12\n00:03:46,693 --> 00:04:02,273\n是的我想這個紅色供應鏈的部分我們是多方的跟台灣的這些廠商來座談宣導告訴他們這個嚴重性這個因為這個都是在談判的過程裡面那這個\n\n13\n00:04:05,253 --> 00:04:19,018\n美方他們的重點重點之一我們會強烈的要求國內的廠商要遵守這樣的一個規定不要因為個人的利益而造成我們整個業者的損失\n\n14\n00:04:20,939 --> 00:04:36,075\n要以台灣的利益為最大以我們整體的半導體產業整體的產業利益為最大不要去傷害到整個這個的利益一旦美方對我們採取更嚴厲的一些行動的時候這會造成我們更大台灣跟整個我們產業更大的一個傷害我想這是最高的原則\n\n15\n00:04:37,256 --> 00:04:56,580\n好那接下來我也問一下除了加碼投資美國之外高雄禮拜五我們有去做了考察啦其實整個五座廠的部分都在進行當中啦當然第四環也在蓋的那其實有預留的第六廠甚至未來的其他的空間部長如果未來台積電一定要在高雄蓋第六座廠這個經濟部會支持嗎我們支持的\n\n16\n00:04:59,711 --> 00:05:22,800\n會支持甚至於我看旁邊有很多的空間甚至未來如果有甚至第七第八的空間經濟部會員全力支持跟劉高雄跟劉台灣嗎第七第八可能就是委員要多幫助因為現在我們所了解的大概高雄能夠提供的到第六廠為止的土地應該是可以準備\n\n17\n00:05:24,061 --> 00:05:31,238\n第六場應該是準備是OK的啦經濟部對這個第六場的需求的水跟電我們都有準備\n\n18\n00:05:32,438 --> 00:06:01,293\n那但是如果說委員爭取第七第八要在這個高雄的話那麼要提早告訴我們我們來努力啦我們來努力我們希望未來的這個高雄會是一個好的選擇啦我們希望未來這個更多的這個場能夠只要台積電有意願的時候我們提供更多的一些協助來完成因為這個會有這個方向就是說在管理上面在管理上面如果群聚的效應可以發生那對這個管理上面的資源就是越進越好\n\n19\n00:06:02,714 --> 00:06:29,913\n這當然因為那個條件已經有五座甚至六座在這邊的時候就近而且他又在高鐵站旁而且跟高雄台南這個產業鏈也都拉出來了那我認為其實就他來說會是相當不管是跟機場跟港口都非常的便利我認為會是很好的群聚的選擇啦我們一起來努力了好不好是好謝謝部長水電我想高雄都做了充分的準備我們一起來努力是那再來我請教一下天然氣的應該也是個重點昨天總統也提到了我們跟美國的這些天然氣的採購\n\n20\n00:06:30,894 --> 00:06:51,252\n部長這個未來的部分天然氣的採購我沒持續來增加嗎對美國的部分這個我們需要再盤點就是說整個國家所需要的天然氣大概有多少它這個是動態的那因為我們買的天然氣也是多元的不過我想在未來如果美國它提供的天然氣確實是好\n\n21\n00:06:53,234 --> 00:07:15,726\n然後價格也適中對我們來講通通的考量就是說我們現在有考慮是從阿拉斯加來阿拉斯加的天然氣來到台灣是最近的最安全的這個是有優勢的我也希望持續因為彼此之間有700億的一個貿易的對美國來說是貿易的一個逆差\n\n22\n00:07:16,706 --> 00:07:41,605\n政府總統也講過很多次我們要想辦法去做努力啦這也會影響到關稅談判嘛你越有誠意去加碼投資越有誠意加碼採購當然美國就會有更多的善意回應給台灣那這當然是一個很好的方式然後現在是美國是第三大的我們地產區的進口來源那差不多10%左右未來如果提升到25%的話到44億的話其實都會有相當大的一個改善啦部長會努力朝這個方向來前進嗎\n\n23\n00:07:42,305 --> 00:07:58,277\n我想基於國家的利益經濟部當然是全力以赴總統也已經宣示了對採購天然氣是我們的一個方向跟美國談判方向那另外台電的部分呢台電其實未來也有很多的電廠因為現在其實這個多元化的\n\n24\n00:07:58,717 --> 00:08:18,507\n能源多元化那台電的部分過去我們常跟美國有很多的採購這個包括奇異啊等等但需要經過採購的程序但是如果未來有機會採購更多的美國的這些電廠的設備的時候對台灣一方面也需要我們越來越需要更多的電力同時間我們如果能夠持續來推的話未來甚至採購700億甚至於10年內採購1700億的話這個對於我們跟美國之間的貿易的這個美國對我們的貿易逆差也會有相當大的一個改善\n\n25\n00:08:27,392 --> 00:08:48,472\n部長同意這樣的方向嗎我們當然是盡量向美國採購就是說我們過去所使用的這些台電的這些設施那麼周遭的這些設備我想大部分都是美國對這是最快的方法一個天然氣跟台電這兩個都是我們需要的也都是我們能源政策上很需要的那電力上也是我們需要\n\n26\n00:08:49,433 --> 00:09:13,690\n當對美國採購又同時能達到減少這些貿易的一些問題的時候同時又對關稅會有幫助我希望這塊經濟部都持續支持看來總統的方向也是如此也希望大力支持再請教一下最近昨天院長提到了凍結部分要進出送出凍結經濟部的部分有幾個書面報告專案報告跟整個困難難以執行部分部長經濟部的部分影響到不大\n\n27\n00:09:14,662 --> 00:09:29,547\n我們的院長因為有指示嘛要盡速送出我們就是盡速送出盡速送出啦我們也希望禮法院盡速來審議所以大阪的世博會這個台灣的takeupworld這個持續在\n\n28\n00:09:30,307 --> 00:09:55,093\n當然因為中共的關係我們沒辦法用台灣管來展出這個相當的遺憾但是其實不影響到台灣的國際跟科技在全世界被看到我也希望未來這個展出持續來推動以外我也希望有一天它展出結束後現在台灣在推動高雄AI產業智慧產業包括高科技產業這些都在高雄推動上一次的上海的是在新竹留下來在新竹\n\n29\n00:09:55,293 --> 00:10:15,468\n未來有沒有機會如果展完結束一方面鼓勵大家都去看一方面有沒有機會留在高雄亞洲新灣區AI這一塊讓全世界持續讓台灣人也能夠就近看到我們高科技的成就跟AI的成就這個我們來評估一下好不好請部長持續來評估將來這個展出結束之後有些人能夠留下來在高雄持續來展出讓\n\n30\n00:10:16,610 --> 00:10:27,224\n特別是配合我們現在亞洲新灣區171億的投資讓全世界讓高雄有機會繼續看到讓台灣持續看到我們在這一塊很強的一個國家的實力跟韌性好不好是謝謝謝謝部長謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5790\t26925\t謝謝稍微請郭部長請部長部長我先請教這個台積電的部分現在有要投資美國嗎大家在關心投審會的部分目前有收到案件嗎\n28268\t44345\t報告委員 我們目前投審會應該是還沒有收到目前沒有收到我這邊得到的訊息是目前投審會應該還沒有收到對 因為部長應該最掌握得到因為投審會在你的轄下 這個目前沒有收到那未來會送進來嗎\n46514\t72815\t這個要由廠商他們自己他們來決定那送進來後這個經濟部門投資者會再依相關的程序來再審查是的好那另外我請教一下接著這個紅色的供應現在看來美中這塊貿易兩邊的是很緊繃兩邊關係很緊繃那美國大概對於紅色供應鏈也很在意特別是對於有些晶片可能透過如果其他國家流到中國去他很在意那這樣的狀況下\n74776\t98306\t他很在意台灣的經濟鏈會不會幫助到中國甚至流入到中國的行為部長對這個擔不擔憂那我們有什麼因應的方案我想在這個部分當然我們跟美國是在科技上面是一個非常互補的情形美國的擔心因為他很多的這些生產都是為給台灣在製造\n99880\t113708\t把這些他所關心的這些科技是不是流落到中國去這個我想對這些部分美國有強烈的要求我們台灣的這些供應商要謹守這樣的一個規範\n115029\t133446\t那對整個政府來講我們當然基於這樣的一個目前在談判的過程裡面這可能也是他們所考量的一部分所以我們會全力的來防止台灣的廠商把這些技術或者是產品流落到所謂的紅色供應\n135308\t152822\t所以這個也會是我們在談判過程中給予美方的一定的承諾就是說美方的這些跟台灣之間很好的互補跟很好的合作關係那不會透過台灣的這些晶片流落到中國去讓成為紅色供應鏈的一個一部分這個應該也會是我們在談判過程中一個重要的承諾\n153822\t171707\t對這一部分我們大概都會要求業者要做出這樣的一個承諾對這個我們的邊境的這個管理對這個所有的產品就是流露出去的這種他們都要拒絕那政府的作為上面會不會給予更多的一些約束和要求\n173240\t189488\t我們的規範是這樣子就是說按照美國的要求那因為美國這些美商是他的客戶客戶我們當然是幫助這個台灣的廠商讓他們充分了解客戶的需求\n190428\t211367\t然後協助他們不要去預約的這樣的一個規範我們還是希望進一步的再三提醒再三要求不要讓少數的一些行為讓這個台美這樣的一個默契跟關係受到一些影響特別是在它有可能會牽動到我們的關稅的談判的結果甚至於美方對台灣的信任關係我認為這一塊\n212748\t226017\t也請經濟部不只是溝通 應該還是要加大一些力道讓我們的所有的業者必須要很清楚知道我們在這一條上面我們是跟這個對於這個紅色公寓這一塊我們是非常在意非常要求的\n226693\t242273\t是的我想這個紅色供應鏈的部分我們是多方的跟台灣的這些廠商來座談宣導告訴他們這個嚴重性這個因為這個都是在談判的過程裡面那這個\n245253\t259018\t美方他們的重點 重點之一我們會強烈的要求國內的廠商要遵守這樣的一個規定不要因為個人的利益而造成我們整個業者的損失\n260939\t276075\t要以台灣的利益為最大以我們整體的半導體產業整體的產業利益為最大不要去傷害到整個這個的利益一旦美方對我們採取更嚴厲的一些行動的時候這會造成我們更大台灣跟整個我們產業更大的一個傷害我想這是最高的原則\n277256\t296580\t好 那接下來我也問一下 除了加碼投資美國之外高雄禮拜五我們有去做了考察啦其實整個五座廠的部分都在進行當中啦 當然第四環也在蓋的那其實有預留的第六廠 甚至未來的其他的空間部長如果未來台積電一定要在高雄蓋第六座廠 這個經濟部會支持嗎我們支持的\n299711\t322800\t會支持甚至於我看旁邊有很多的空間甚至未來如果有甚至第七第八的空間經濟部會員全力支持跟劉高雄跟劉台灣嗎第七第八可能就是委員要多幫助因為現在我們所了解的大概高雄能夠提供的到第六廠為止的土地應該是可以準備\n324061\t331238\t第六場應該是準備是OK的啦經濟部對這個第六場的需求的水跟電我們都有準備\n332438\t361293\t那但是如果說委員爭取第七第八要在這個高雄的話那麼要提早告訴我們我們來努力啦我們來努力我們希望未來的這個高雄會是一個好的選擇啦我們希望未來這個更多的這個場能夠只要台積電有意願的時候我們提供更多的一些協助來完成因為這個會有這個方向就是說在管理上面在管理上面如果群聚的效應可以發生那對這個管理上面的資源就是越進越好\n362714\t389913\t這當然因為那個條件已經有五座甚至六座在這邊的時候就近而且他又在高鐵站旁而且跟高雄台南這個產業鏈也都拉出來了那我認為其實就他來說會是相當不管是跟機場跟港口都非常的便利我認為會是很好的群聚的選擇啦我們一起來努力了好不好是好謝謝部長水電我想高雄都做了充分的準備我們一起來努力是那再來我請教一下天然氣的應該也是個重點昨天總統也提到了我們跟美國的這些天然氣的採購\n390894\t411252\t部長這個未來的部分天然氣的採購我沒持續來增加嗎對美國的部分這個我們需要再盤點就是說整個國家所需要的天然氣大概有多少它這個是動態的那因為我們買的天然氣也是多元的不過我想在未來如果美國它提供的天然氣確實是好\n413234\t435726\t然後價格也適中對我們來講 通通的考量就是說我們現在有考慮是從阿拉斯加來阿拉斯加的天然氣來到台灣是最近的最安全的這個是有優勢的我也希望持續因為彼此之間有700億的一個貿易的對美國來說是貿易的一個逆差\n436706\t461605\t政府總統也講過很多次我們要想辦法去做努力啦這也會影響到關稅談判嘛你越有誠意去加碼投資越有誠意加碼採購當然美國就會有更多的善意回應給台灣那這當然是一個很好的方式然後現在是美國是第三大的我們地產區的進口來源那差不多10%左右未來如果提升到25%的話到44億的話其實都會有相當大的一個改善啦部長會努力朝這個方向來前進嗎\n462305\t478277\t我想基於國家的利益經濟部當然是全力以赴總統也已經宣示了對採購天然氣是我們的一個方向跟美國談判方向那另外台電的部分呢台電其實未來也有很多的電廠因為現在其實這個多元化的\n478717\t498507\t能源多元化那台電的部分過去我們常跟美國有很多的採購這個包括奇異啊等等但需要經過採購的程序但是如果未來有機會採購更多的美國的這些電廠的設備的時候對台灣一方面也需要我們越來越需要更多的電力同時間我們如果能夠持續來推的話未來甚至採購700億甚至於10年內採購1700億的話這個對於我們跟美國之間的貿易的這個美國對我們的貿易逆差也會有相當大的一個改善\n507392\t528472\t部長同意這樣的方向嗎我們當然是盡量向美國採購就是說我們過去所使用的這些台電的這些設施那麼周遭的這些設備我想大部分都是美國對 這是最快的方法一個天然氣跟台電這兩個都是我們需要的也都是我們能源政策上很需要的那電力上也是我們需要\n529433\t553690\t當對美國採購又同時能達到減少這些貿易的一些問題的時候同時又對關稅會有幫助我希望這塊經濟部都持續支持看來總統的方向也是如此也希望大力支持再請教一下最近昨天院長提到了凍結部分要進出送出凍結經濟部的部分有幾個書面報告專案報告跟整個困難難以執行部分部長經濟部的部分影響到不大\n554662\t569547\t我們的院長因為有指示嘛要盡速送出我們就是盡速送出盡速送出啦我們也希望禮法院盡速來審議所以大阪的世博會這個台灣的take up world這個持續在\n570307\t595093\t當然因為中共的關係我們沒辦法用台灣管來展出這個相當的遺憾但是其實不影響到台灣的國際跟科技在全世界被看到我也希望未來這個展出持續來推動以外我也希望有一天它展出結束後現在台灣在推動高雄AI產業智慧產業包括高科技產業這些都在高雄推動上一次的上海的是在新竹留下來在新竹\n595293\t615468\t未來有沒有機會如果展完結束一方面鼓勵大家都去看一方面有沒有機會留在高雄亞洲新灣區AI這一塊讓全世界持續讓台灣人也能夠就近看到我們高科技的成就跟AI的成就這個我們來評估一下好不好請部長持續來評估將來這個展出結束之後有些人能夠留下來在高雄持續來展出讓\n616610\t627224\t特別是配合我們現在亞洲新灣區171億的投資讓全世界讓高雄有機會繼續看到讓台灣持續看到我們在這一塊很強的一個國家的實力跟韌性好不好是 謝謝謝謝部長 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝稍微請郭部長請部長部長我先請教這個台積電的部分現在有要投資美國嗎大家在關心投審會的部分目前有收到案件嗎\n報告委員 我們目前投審會應該是還沒有收到目前沒有收到我這邊得到的訊息是目前投審會應該還沒有收到對 因為部長應該最掌握得到因為投審會在你的轄下 這個目前沒有收到那未來會送進來嗎\n這個要由廠商他們自己他們來決定那送進來後這個經濟部門投資者會再依相關的程序來再審查是的好那另外我請教一下接著這個紅色的供應現在看來美中這塊貿易兩邊的是很緊繃兩邊關係很緊繃那美國大概對於紅色供應鏈也很在意特別是對於有些晶片可能透過如果其他國家流到中國去他很在意那這樣的狀況下\n他很在意台灣的經濟鏈會不會幫助到中國甚至流入到中國的行為部長對這個擔不擔憂那我們有什麼因應的方案我想在這個部分當然我們跟美國是在科技上面是一個非常互補的情形美國的擔心因為他很多的這些生產都是為給台灣在製造\n把這些他所關心的這些科技是不是流落到中國去這個我想對這些部分美國有強烈的要求我們台灣的這些供應商要謹守這樣的一個規範\n那對整個政府來講我們當然基於這樣的一個目前在談判的過程裡面這可能也是他們所考量的一部分所以我們會全力的來防止台灣的廠商把這些技術或者是產品流落到所謂的紅色供應\n所以這個也會是我們在談判過程中給予美方的一定的承諾就是說美方的這些跟台灣之間很好的互補跟很好的合作關係那不會透過台灣的這些晶片流落到中國去讓成為紅色供應鏈的一個一部分這個應該也會是我們在談判過程中一個重要的承諾\n對這一部分我們大概都會要求業者要做出這樣的一個承諾對這個我們的邊境的這個管理對這個所有的產品就是流露出去的這種他們都要拒絕那政府的作為上面會不會給予更多的一些約束和要求\n我們的規範是這樣子就是說按照美國的要求那因為美國這些美商是他的客戶客戶我們當然是幫助這個台灣的廠商讓他們充分了解客戶的需求\n然後協助他們不要去預約的這樣的一個規範我們還是希望進一步的再三提醒再三要求不要讓少數的一些行為讓這個台美這樣的一個默契跟關係受到一些影響特別是在它有可能會牽動到我們的關稅的談判的結果甚至於美方對台灣的信任關係我認為這一塊\n也請經濟部不只是溝通 應該還是要加大一些力道讓我們的所有的業者必須要很清楚知道我們在這一條上面我們是跟這個對於這個紅色公寓這一塊我們是非常在意非常要求的\n是的我想這個紅色供應鏈的部分我們是多方的跟台灣的這些廠商來座談宣導告訴他們這個嚴重性這個因為這個都是在談判的過程裡面那這個\n美方他們的重點 重點之一我們會強烈的要求國內的廠商要遵守這樣的一個規定不要因為個人的利益而造成我們整個業者的損失\n要以台灣的利益為最大以我們整體的半導體產業整體的產業利益為最大不要去傷害到整個這個的利益一旦美方對我們採取更嚴厲的一些行動的時候這會造成我們更大台灣跟整個我們產業更大的一個傷害我想這是最高的原則\n好 那接下來我也問一下 除了加碼投資美國之外高雄禮拜五我們有去做了考察啦其實整個五座廠的部分都在進行當中啦 當然第四環也在蓋的那其實有預留的第六廠 甚至未來的其他的空間部長如果未來台積電一定要在高雄蓋第六座廠 這個經濟部會支持嗎我們支持的\n會支持甚至於我看旁邊有很多的空間甚至未來如果有甚至第七第八的空間經濟部會員全力支持跟劉高雄跟劉台灣嗎第七第八可能就是委員要多幫助因為現在我們所了解的大概高雄能夠提供的到第六廠為止的土地應該是可以準備\n第六場應該是準備是OK的啦經濟部對這個第六場的需求的水跟電我們都有準備\n那但是如果說委員爭取第七第八要在這個高雄的話那麼要提早告訴我們我們來努力啦我們來努力我們希望未來的這個高雄會是一個好的選擇啦我們希望未來這個更多的這個場能夠只要台積電有意願的時候我們提供更多的一些協助來完成因為這個會有這個方向就是說在管理上面在管理上面如果群聚的效應可以發生那對這個管理上面的資源就是越進越好\n這當然因為那個條件已經有五座甚至六座在這邊的時候就近而且他又在高鐵站旁而且跟高雄台南這個產業鏈也都拉出來了那我認為其實就他來說會是相當不管是跟機場跟港口都非常的便利我認為會是很好的群聚的選擇啦我們一起來努力了好不好是好謝謝部長水電我想高雄都做了充分的準備我們一起來努力是那再來我請教一下天然氣的應該也是個重點昨天總統也提到了我們跟美國的這些天然氣的採購\n部長這個未來的部分天然氣的採購我沒持續來增加嗎對美國的部分這個我們需要再盤點就是說整個國家所需要的天然氣大概有多少它這個是動態的那因為我們買的天然氣也是多元的不過我想在未來如果美國它提供的天然氣確實是好\n然後價格也適中對我們來講 通通的考量就是說我們現在有考慮是從阿拉斯加來阿拉斯加的天然氣來到台灣是最近的最安全的這個是有優勢的我也希望持續因為彼此之間有700億的一個貿易的對美國來說是貿易的一個逆差\n政府總統也講過很多次我們要想辦法去做努力啦這也會影響到關稅談判嘛你越有誠意去加碼投資越有誠意加碼採購當然美國就會有更多的善意回應給台灣那這當然是一個很好的方式然後現在是美國是第三大的我們地產區的進口來源那差不多10%左右未來如果提升到25%的話到44億的話其實都會有相當大的一個改善啦部長會努力朝這個方向來前進嗎\n我想基於國家的利益經濟部當然是全力以赴總統也已經宣示了對採購天然氣是我們的一個方向跟美國談判方向那另外台電的部分呢台電其實未來也有很多的電廠因為現在其實這個多元化的\n能源多元化那台電的部分過去我們常跟美國有很多的採購這個包括奇異啊等等但需要經過採購的程序但是如果未來有機會採購更多的美國的這些電廠的設備的時候對台灣一方面也需要我們越來越需要更多的電力同時間我們如果能夠持續來推的話未來甚至採購700億甚至於10年內採購1700億的話這個對於我們跟美國之間的貿易的這個美國對我們的貿易逆差也會有相當大的一個改善\n部長同意這樣的方向嗎我們當然是盡量向美國採購就是說我們過去所使用的這些台電的這些設施那麼周遭的這些設備我想大部分都是美國對 這是最快的方法一個天然氣跟台電這兩個都是我們需要的也都是我們能源政策上很需要的那電力上也是我們需要\n當對美國採購又同時能達到減少這些貿易的一些問題的時候同時又對關稅會有幫助我希望這塊經濟部都持續支持看來總統的方向也是如此也希望大力支持再請教一下最近昨天院長提到了凍結部分要進出送出凍結經濟部的部分有幾個書面報告專案報告跟整個困難難以執行部分部長經濟部的部分影響到不大\n我們的院長因為有指示嘛要盡速送出我們就是盡速送出盡速送出啦我們也希望禮法院盡速來審議所以大阪的世博會這個台灣的take up world這個持續在\n當然因為中共的關係我們沒辦法用台灣管來展出這個相當的遺憾但是其實不影響到台灣的國際跟科技在全世界被看到我也希望未來這個展出持續來推動以外我也希望有一天它展出結束後現在台灣在推動高雄AI產業智慧產業包括高科技產業這些都在高雄推動上一次的上海的是在新竹留下來在新竹\n未來有沒有機會如果展完結束一方面鼓勵大家都去看一方面有沒有機會留在高雄亞洲新灣區AI這一塊讓全世界持續讓台灣人也能夠就近看到我們高科技的成就跟AI的成就這個我們來評估一下好不好請部長持續來評估將來這個展出結束之後有些人能夠留下來在高雄持續來展出讓\n特別是配合我們現在亞洲新灣區171億的投資讓全世界讓高雄有機會繼續看到讓台灣持續看到我們在這一塊很強的一個國家的實力跟韌性好不好是 謝謝謝謝部長 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.790 --> 00:26.925\n謝謝稍微請郭部長請部長部長我先請教這個台積電的部分現在有要投資美國嗎大家在關心投審會的部分目前有收到案件嗎\n\n00:28.268 --> 00:44.345\n報告委員我們目前投審會應該是還沒有收到目前沒有收到我這邊得到的訊息是目前投審會應該還沒有收到對因為部長應該最掌握得到因為投審會在你的轄下這個目前沒有收到那未來會送進來嗎\n\n00:46.514 --> 01:12.815\n這個要由廠商他們自己他們來決定那送進來後這個經濟部門投資者會再依相關的程序來再審查是的好那另外我請教一下接著這個紅色的供應現在看來美中這塊貿易兩邊的是很緊繃兩邊關係很緊繃那美國大概對於紅色供應鏈也很在意特別是對於有些晶片可能透過如果其他國家流到中國去他很在意那這樣的狀況下\n\n01:14.776 --> 01:38.306\n他很在意台灣的經濟鏈會不會幫助到中國甚至流入到中國的行為部長對這個擔不擔憂那我們有什麼因應的方案我想在這個部分當然我們跟美國是在科技上面是一個非常互補的情形美國的擔心因為他很多的這些生產都是為給台灣在製造\n\n01:39.880 --> 01:53.708\n把這些他所關心的這些科技是不是流落到中國去這個我想對這些部分美國有強烈的要求我們台灣的這些供應商要謹守這樣的一個規範\n\n01:55.029 --> 02:13.446\n那對整個政府來講我們當然基於這樣的一個目前在談判的過程裡面這可能也是他們所考量的一部分所以我們會全力的來防止台灣的廠商把這些技術或者是產品流落到所謂的紅色供應\n\n02:15.308 --> 02:32.822\n所以這個也會是我們在談判過程中給予美方的一定的承諾就是說美方的這些跟台灣之間很好的互補跟很好的合作關係那不會透過台灣的這些晶片流落到中國去讓成為紅色供應鏈的一個一部分這個應該也會是我們在談判過程中一個重要的承諾\n\n02:33.822 --> 02:51.707\n對這一部分我們大概都會要求業者要做出這樣的一個承諾對這個我們的邊境的這個管理對這個所有的產品就是流露出去的這種他們都要拒絕那政府的作為上面會不會給予更多的一些約束和要求\n\n02:53.240 --> 03:09.488\n我們的規範是這樣子就是說按照美國的要求那因為美國這些美商是他的客戶客戶我們當然是幫助這個台灣的廠商讓他們充分了解客戶的需求\n\n03:10.428 --> 03:31.367\n然後協助他們不要去預約的這樣的一個規範我們還是希望進一步的再三提醒再三要求不要讓少數的一些行為讓這個台美這樣的一個默契跟關係受到一些影響特別是在它有可能會牽動到我們的關稅的談判的結果甚至於美方對台灣的信任關係我認為這一塊\n\n03:32.748 --> 03:46.017\n也請經濟部不只是溝通應該還是要加大一些力道讓我們的所有的業者必須要很清楚知道我們在這一條上面我們是跟這個對於這個紅色公寓這一塊我們是非常在意非常要求的\n\n03:46.693 --> 04:02.273\n是的我想這個紅色供應鏈的部分我們是多方的跟台灣的這些廠商來座談宣導告訴他們這個嚴重性這個因為這個都是在談判的過程裡面那這個\n\n04:05.253 --> 04:19.018\n美方他們的重點重點之一我們會強烈的要求國內的廠商要遵守這樣的一個規定不要因為個人的利益而造成我們整個業者的損失\n\n04:20.939 --> 04:36.075\n要以台灣的利益為最大以我們整體的半導體產業整體的產業利益為最大不要去傷害到整個這個的利益一旦美方對我們採取更嚴厲的一些行動的時候這會造成我們更大台灣跟整個我們產業更大的一個傷害我想這是最高的原則\n\n04:37.256 --> 04:56.580\n好那接下來我也問一下除了加碼投資美國之外高雄禮拜五我們有去做了考察啦其實整個五座廠的部分都在進行當中啦當然第四環也在蓋的那其實有預留的第六廠甚至未來的其他的空間部長如果未來台積電一定要在高雄蓋第六座廠這個經濟部會支持嗎我們支持的\n\n04:59.711 --> 05:22.800\n會支持甚至於我看旁邊有很多的空間甚至未來如果有甚至第七第八的空間經濟部會員全力支持跟劉高雄跟劉台灣嗎第七第八可能就是委員要多幫助因為現在我們所了解的大概高雄能夠提供的到第六廠為止的土地應該是可以準備\n\n05:24.061 --> 05:31.238\n第六場應該是準備是OK的啦經濟部對這個第六場的需求的水跟電我們都有準備\n\n05:32.438 --> 06:01.293\n那但是如果說委員爭取第七第八要在這個高雄的話那麼要提早告訴我們我們來努力啦我們來努力我們希望未來的這個高雄會是一個好的選擇啦我們希望未來這個更多的這個場能夠只要台積電有意願的時候我們提供更多的一些協助來完成因為這個會有這個方向就是說在管理上面在管理上面如果群聚的效應可以發生那對這個管理上面的資源就是越進越好\n\n06:02.714 --> 06:29.913\n這當然因為那個條件已經有五座甚至六座在這邊的時候就近而且他又在高鐵站旁而且跟高雄台南這個產業鏈也都拉出來了那我認為其實就他來說會是相當不管是跟機場跟港口都非常的便利我認為會是很好的群聚的選擇啦我們一起來努力了好不好是好謝謝部長水電我想高雄都做了充分的準備我們一起來努力是那再來我請教一下天然氣的應該也是個重點昨天總統也提到了我們跟美國的這些天然氣的採購\n\n06:30.894 --> 06:51.252\n部長這個未來的部分天然氣的採購我沒持續來增加嗎對美國的部分這個我們需要再盤點就是說整個國家所需要的天然氣大概有多少它這個是動態的那因為我們買的天然氣也是多元的不過我想在未來如果美國它提供的天然氣確實是好\n\n06:53.234 --> 07:15.726\n然後價格也適中對我們來講通通的考量就是說我們現在有考慮是從阿拉斯加來阿拉斯加的天然氣來到台灣是最近的最安全的這個是有優勢的我也希望持續因為彼此之間有700億的一個貿易的對美國來說是貿易的一個逆差\n\n07:16.706 --> 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