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00:01:54,330\n二整的這些公視視劇入圍了美國紐約的電視獎那大豐之島背後又有文策院的支持那台灣漫遊路背後是文化部對台灣文學外藝工作的長期耕耘\n\n7\n00:01:55,131 --> 00:02:21,168\n天黑夜則是公共電視的投資我想當然能得獎這個創作者個人的才華跟努力當然是最重要的可是文化部各單位能扮演好最後盾的角色能讓創作者有更好的條件下發揮各自的才華這才是一個很大的關鍵那可是我們擔心的說過去文化部對創作者的支持量能到今天我們還有辦法維持嗎\n\n8\n00:02:23,650 --> 00:02:40,923\n今年度文化部的預算總共被刪除了11億凍結了34億那媒體宣傳費還被刪到超過預算數大概400多萬那上週我們小野部長在王石祺的專訪裡頭就提到\n\n9\n00:02:43,164 --> 00:03:04,320\n除了預算被動那被刪以外還要再加上才化法的問題所以導致文化部有些活動會被停掉那有些錢可能要晚一點發或者發不出來或者不敢發對於文化界來看其實是相當焦慮那對於這一點次長你覺得你要如何回應文化界的焦慮\n\n10\n00:03:05,882 --> 00:03:27,240\n第一個是這樣我們現在大概有一些會確定會受到一些影響譬如說我們的補助的案件的數量可能會稍微降低那我們原先像本來品牌團隊我們也期待再增加一團新的那現在比較沒有辦法做到但我們現在做的方法是這樣我們盡可能的把預算集中往這些本來已經存在的補助案去集中\n\n11\n00:03:27,941 --> 00:03:37,514\n雖然他的案件量會下降但是我們希望在他影響最小的範圍那第二就是說我們希望讓這些也跟這些不管是個人或者是團體受補助的個人或團體來做溝通就說我們這些計畫都還是會存在我們這個發放的\n\n12\n00:03:46,245 --> 00:04:06,651\n這個經費的時間可能會短但是這個經費還是會存在那透過這樣的方式來做那影響比較大的當然是整個宣傳預算跟國外旅費的這個部分那宣傳預算的部分我們現在就想盡各種辦法包括找民間企業啦希望利用民間的一些宣傳管道或者跟民間展開一些新的合作那另外就是說也希望\n\n13\n00:04:07,231 --> 00:04:24,800\n大家可以透過文化人的口碑宣傳去建立這些宣傳的效益那但是我們也很怕因為我們的努力好像也很容易被委員解讀為說那你們就不缺錢啊你們努力就好那希望委員不要這樣的誤解我們仍然非常需要預算那另外就是草要法當然就是下一個需要因應的\n\n14\n00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:45,911\n算是預算危機啦那這個部分我們的確還在內部的討論當中那主要是我們還是希望文化部的預算基本上支持兩個向度第一個當然是創作端的向度因為在創作端的時候它其實還沒有形成市場的實力但如果你不培養像創作端你在市場面你就沒有辦法有圓圓的物件內容可以做供應\n\n15\n00:04:46,531 --> 00:05:11,468\n那第二就是他已經進入市場端的時候你就要加大幅度培育他對國際競爭的能量所以不管是投資也好補助也好或者是國際的行銷也好這些部分都需要政府的加碼我們希望在這兩端保證至少有基本的量能的情況下才可以讓這些文化界至少有基本的安心好那再來想要跟次長討論就是這一次國民黨為了反對轉型正義的推動反對一對\n\n16\n00:05:15,851 --> 00:05:22,395\n撤離這個中正紀念堂的同向大廳那刪掉了中正紀念堂管理處營運與發展費用三千萬那國民黨這項舉動其實還蠻可笑刪掉中正紀念堂三千萬的經費是因為中正紀念堂不再是他們緬懷的威權獨裁的樣貌那我想\n\n17\n00:05:39,949 --> 00:06:04,224\n在2025的今天國民黨居然還寫得出這種預算那我想除了可能是國民黨本身的悲哀以外也代表我國的轉型正義的工作可能還推動得不夠努力那我想為了避免國民黨未來會繼續搞不定的狀況那文化部我想應該要投入更多的心思在中央紀念堂的轉型正義那我們想辦法讓中央紀念堂\n\n18\n00:06:04,924 --> 00:06:27,679\n就是無故被刪掉這三千萬有意義那我想既然少了三千萬那為了遵截今年度的這個預算費用那是否就乾脆關閉了中間檯的堂體一方面我想也省下無意義的這個堂體維護開銷那第二個是不是也來進一步來推動轉型正義的工作次長你覺得咧\n\n19\n00:06:29,781 --> 00:06:55,642\n謝謝委員的意見中心建廠的確被刪掉3000萬對中心建廠的影響算蠻大的包括原先原定的這些人權影展自由之路的展覽優化的這些開幕活動大概都比較沒有辦法來辦理了另外比較最嚴重的就是像基本維運包括清潔保全景觀維護機電的維護甚至是水電費我們目前應該有的付得到7月有的付得到8月中心建廠已經在做委外合約的變更\n\n20\n00:06:56,963 --> 00:07:16,508\n本來三個人巡邏的可能就變一個人巡邏等等大家面臨這一些挑戰那所以我們是希望盡量尊潔但是看起來可能還是不夠可能到時候還是需要部的支援等等那至於說是不是透過一些水電的節省來因應這個三千萬中央建設黨的確在做因應跟規劃\n\n21\n00:07:17,948 --> 00:07:46,339\n好官僚堂體這件事情也可以來考慮看看那好我想不論是1920年代或者是2025的今天投身文化建設的台灣人都有一項共同認知就是我們要建設的文化不是純粹模仿中國日本或者西洋而是海納百川然後要吸收所有在這個土地上的教會的元素然後來發展屬於台灣的真正文化張大謙是台灣文化的一部分\n\n22\n00:07:47,519 --> 00:08:06,104\n黃土水澄澄波也是台灣文化的一部分所以這幾年來我們看到台灣文化越包容自信越多元豐富這就是我們積極開放的文化展現所以我想怎麼樣努力才能促進更多更好的創作在這塊土地文化部真的要一起努力\n\n23\n00:08:06,784 --> 00:08:27,883\n那我想相當可惜就是說國民黨對於這些可貴的成果也毫不珍惜在這一次審查預算當中不斷對創作的內容進行思想的審查舉例來講國民黨委員在我們教委委員會在審查的現場就直接說批評台劇臨日攻擊他的指教是這樣\n\n24\n00:08:28,604 --> 00:08:49,215\n他說為什麼要以台灣遭攻擊的角度來拍攝這部影集然後甚至還說為什麼不叫臨日防禦我想您也在場應該有聽到這種政治審查不但是為了創作者會感受到壓力我想恐怕也會削弱民間對於創作或投資的信心\n\n25\n00:08:49,875 --> 00:09:07,522\n那我最擔心的是說由於這些政治的干預那對我國的這個影視的發展的方向會造成實質的影響所以想要請教文化部就是說這一次的預算耗節後的文化產業你有什麼樣的觀察那會不會真的有所謂的寒蟬效應那你該怎麼輔導\n\n26\n00:09:09,570 --> 00:09:32,799\n謝謝委員對文化部來說維持台灣文化多元的面貌是文化部一個非常核心的責任不管是歷代歷屆來到台灣的移民或者是現在的外來的移民或者是不同的族群或者是中華文化我想都是台灣文化的養分的來源也是台灣文化的一部分所以即使面臨預算上的一些限制對\n\n27\n00:09:34,139 --> 00:10:02,139\n文化部來說我們還是努力去呈現不同的多元的台灣文化的面貌那包括在這些補助上面我們也希望透過專業的標準而不是透過對內容的審查來制定補助的標準那所以這些我們還是會謹守這樣的目標跟價值去努力那我想台灣作為一個世界的一員只有用內容價值文化的內容對於自由民主多元的信仰才能夠\n\n28\n00:10:02,999 --> 00:10:29,734\n說服世界也可以才能夠獲得這個世界的支持那我想文化部則無旁貸進行這樣的努力好最後10秒就是說出生在我們台南新化的重要文學家跟社會運動者楊奎他今年剛好適逢逝世40週年那我想非常關心的就是楊奎全集的出版進度跟有沒有相關的活動規劃是不是可以請次長或者相關單位做個說明因為今年他在\n\n29\n00:10:30,174 --> 00:10:49,422\n年初1月3號就已經委外了所以他這個計畫基本上會按照期程進行因為那個時候我們因為在去年就做完準備所以沒有出版的部分我覺得是OK的有沒有規劃相關的活動有包括現在已經有得標的廠商啦那包括新書的發表會啦這個120歲的名單啦還有這些對於貢獻的論壇我們都已經在籌備當中好謝謝謝謝次長謝謝主席謝謝怡謙趙偉\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n151\t335\t王市長\n4349\t30823\t委員長首先跟次長說明也跟全體教育委員會報告我想一旦文化部把解凍報告送到委員會那我會用最快的速度來排進來排案那我想在這裡也要呼籲我們所有的不分朝野大家都來共同支持文化預算的全面解凍來彌補對這一次文化預算浩劫好 那我想1920年代\n32984\t52569\t是台灣文化運動的起步階段那我想當時的知識分子包括林承祿、蔣渭水在內都相當強調台灣文化在世界舞台上所扮演的積極角色那台灣青年的創刊號就有文章倡議應該要以貢獻世界的精神來開拓台灣的文化\n54609\t73418\t這向台灣人對自身文化的百年追求我們至今還在路上而且做出相對卓越的成績此時此刻向全世界對台灣文化充滿濃厚的興趣我們舉例來看2023年拍攝樂生療養院的紀錄片大峰之島就在坎城\n74338\t86330\t電影市場展的紀錄片單元提案的競賽中一舉拿到最大獎2024年楊雙子的小說《台灣漫遊錄》也成為世界文學史上首部獲頒美國國家圖書館翻譯文學大獎的台灣作品2025年被陳玉珍等國民黨\n95589\t114330\t二整的這些公視視劇入圍了美國紐約的電視獎那大豐之島背後又有文策院的支持那台灣漫遊路背後是文化部對台灣文學外藝工作的長期耕耘\n115131\t141168\t天黑夜則是公共電視的投資我想當然能得獎這個創作者個人的才華跟努力當然是最重要的可是文化部各單位能扮演好最後盾的角色能讓創作者有更好的條件下發揮各自的才華這才是一個很大的關鍵那可是我們擔心的說過去文化部對創作者的支持量能到今天我們還有辦法維持嗎\n143650\t160923\t今年度文化部的預算總共被刪除了11億 凍結了34億那媒體宣傳費還被刪到超過預算數大概400多萬那上週我們小野部長在王石祺的專訪裡頭就提到\n163164\t184320\t除了預算被動 那被刪以外還要再加上才化法的問題所以導致文化部有些活動會被停掉那有些錢可能要晚一點發或者發不出來 或者不敢發對於文化界來看其實是相當焦慮那對於這一點 次長你覺得你要如何回應文化界的焦慮\n185882\t207240\t第一個是這樣我們現在大概有一些會確定會受到一些影響譬如說我們的補助的案件的數量可能會稍微降低那我們原先像本來品牌團隊我們也期待再增加一團新的那現在比較沒有辦法做到但我們現在做的方法是這樣我們盡可能的把預算集中往這些本來已經存在的補助案去集中\n207941\t217514\t雖然他的案件量會下降但是我們希望在他影響最小的範圍那第二就是說我們希望讓這些也跟這些不管是個人或者是團體受補助的個人或團體來做溝通就說我們這些計畫都還是會存在我們這個發放的\n226245\t246651\t這個經費的時間可能會短但是這個經費還是會存在那透過這樣的方式來做那影響比較大的當然是整個宣傳預算跟國外旅費的這個部分那宣傳預算的部分我們現在就想盡各種辦法包括找民間企業啦希望利用民間的一些宣傳管道或者跟民間展開一些新的合作那另外就是說也希望\n247231\t264800\t大家可以透過文化人的口碑宣傳去建立這些宣傳的效益那但是我們也很怕因為我們的努力好像也很容易被委員解讀為說那你們就不缺錢啊你們努力就好那希望委員不要這樣的誤解我們仍然非常需要預算那另外就是草要法當然就是下一個需要因應的\n265960\t285911\t算是預算危機啦那這個部分我們的確還在內部的討論當中那主要是我們還是希望文化部的預算基本上支持兩個向度第一個當然是創作端的向度因為在創作端的時候它其實還沒有形成市場的實力但如果你不培養像創作端你在市場面你就沒有辦法有圓圓的物件內容可以做供應\n286531\t311468\t那第二就是他已經進入市場端的時候你就要加大幅度培育他對國際競爭的能量所以不管是投資也好補助也好或者是國際的行銷也好這些部分都需要政府的加碼我們希望在這兩端保證至少有基本的量能的情況下才可以讓這些文化界至少有基本的安心好那再來想要跟次長討論就是這一次國民黨為了反對轉型正義的推動反對一對\n315851\t322395\t撤離這個中正紀念堂的同向大廳那刪掉了中正紀念堂管理處營運與發展費用三千萬那國民黨這項舉動其實還蠻可笑刪掉中正紀念堂三千萬的經費是因為中正紀念堂不再是他們緬懷的威權獨裁的樣貌那我想\n339949\t364224\t在2025的今天國民黨居然還寫得出這種預算那我想除了可能是國民黨本身的悲哀以外也代表我國的轉型正義的工作可能還推動得不夠努力那我想為了避免國民黨未來會繼續搞不定的狀況那文化部我想應該要投入更多的心思在中央紀念堂的轉型正義那我們想辦法讓中央紀念堂\n364924\t387679\t就是無故被刪掉這三千萬有意義那我想既然少了三千萬那為了遵截今年度的這個預算費用那是否就乾脆關閉了中間檯的堂體一方面我想也省下無意義的這個堂體維護開銷那第二個是不是也來進一步來推動轉型正義的工作 次長你覺得咧\n389781\t415642\t謝謝委員的意見中心建廠的確被刪掉3000萬對中心建廠的影響算蠻大的包括原先原定的這些人權影展自由之路的展覽優化的這些開幕活動大概都比較沒有辦法來辦理了另外比較最嚴重的就是像基本維運包括清潔保全景觀維護 機電的維護甚至是水電費我們目前應該有的付得到7月有的付得到8月中心建廠已經在做委外合約的變更\n416963\t436508\t本來三個人巡邏的可能就變一個人巡邏等等大家面臨這一些挑戰那所以我們是希望盡量尊潔但是看起來可能還是不夠可能到時候還是需要部的支援等等那至於說是不是透過一些水電的節省來因應這個三千萬中央建設黨的確在做因應跟規劃\n437948\t466339\t好 官僚堂體這件事情也可以來考慮看看那好 我想不論是1920年代或者是2025的今天投身文化建設的台灣人都有一項共同認知就是我們要建設的文化不是純粹模仿中國 日本 或者西洋而是海納百川然後要吸收所有在這個土地上的教會的元素然後來發展屬於台灣的真正文化張大謙是台灣文化的一部分\n467519\t486104\t黃土水 澄澄波也是台灣文化的一部分所以這幾年來我們看到台灣文化越包容 自信 越多元豐富這就是我們積極開放的文化展現所以我想怎麼樣努力才能促進更多更好的創作在這塊土地文化部真的要一起努力\n486784\t507883\t那我想相當可惜就是說國民黨對於這些可貴的成果也毫不珍惜在這一次審查預算當中不斷對創作的內容進行思想的審查舉例來講國民黨委員在我們教委委員會在審查的現場就直接說批評台劇 臨日攻擊他的指教是這樣\n508604\t529215\t他說為什麼要以台灣遭攻擊的角度來拍攝這部影集然後甚至還說為什麼不叫臨日防禦我想您也在場應該有聽到這種政治審查不但是為了創作者會感受到壓力我想恐怕也會削弱民間對於創作或投資的信心\n529875\t547522\t那我最擔心的是說由於這些政治的干預那對我國的這個影視的發展的方向會造成實質的影響所以想要請教文化部就是說這一次的預算耗節後的文化產業你有什麼樣的觀察那會不會真的有所謂的寒蟬效應那你該怎麼輔導\n549570\t572799\t謝謝委員對文化部來說維持台灣文化多元的面貌是文化部一個非常核心的責任不管是歷代歷屆來到台灣的移民或者是現在的外來的移民或者是不同的族群或者是中華文化我想都是台灣文化的養分的來源也是台灣文化的一部分所以即使面臨預算上的一些限制對\n574139\t602139\t文化部來說我們還是努力去呈現不同的多元的台灣文化的面貌那包括在這些補助上面我們也希望透過專業的標準而不是透過對內容的審查來制定補助的標準那所以這些我們還是會謹守這樣的目標跟價值去努力那我想台灣作為一個世界的一員只有用內容價值文化的內容對於自由民主多元的信仰才能夠\n602999\t629734\t說服世界也可以才能夠獲得這個世界的支持那我想文化部則無旁貸進行這樣的努力好 最後10秒就是說出生在我們台南新化的重要文學家跟社會運動者楊奎他今年剛好適逢逝世40週年那我想非常關心的就是楊奎全集的出版進度跟有沒有相關的活動規劃是不是可以請次長或者相關單位做個說明因為今年他在\n630174\t649422\t年初1月3號就已經委外了所以他這個計畫基本上會按照期程進行因為那個時候我們因為在去年就做完準備所以沒有出版的部分我覺得是OK的有沒有規劃相關的活動有 包括現在已經有得標的廠商啦那包括新書的發表會啦這個120歲的名單啦還有這些對於貢獻的論壇我們都已經在籌備當中好 謝謝 謝謝次長謝謝主席謝謝怡謙 趙偉\n","txt":"王市長\n委員長首先跟次長說明也跟全體教育委員會報告我想一旦文化部把解凍報告送到委員會那我會用最快的速度來排進來排案那我想在這裡也要呼籲我們所有的不分朝野大家都來共同支持文化預算的全面解凍來彌補對這一次文化預算浩劫好 那我想1920年代\n是台灣文化運動的起步階段那我想當時的知識分子包括林承祿、蔣渭水在內都相當強調台灣文化在世界舞台上所扮演的積極角色那台灣青年的創刊號就有文章倡議應該要以貢獻世界的精神來開拓台灣的文化\n這向台灣人對自身文化的百年追求我們至今還在路上而且做出相對卓越的成績此時此刻向全世界對台灣文化充滿濃厚的興趣我們舉例來看2023年拍攝樂生療養院的紀錄片大峰之島就在坎城\n電影市場展的紀錄片單元提案的競賽中一舉拿到最大獎2024年楊雙子的小說《台灣漫遊錄》也成為世界文學史上首部獲頒美國國家圖書館翻譯文學大獎的台灣作品2025年被陳玉珍等國民黨\n二整的這些公視視劇入圍了美國紐約的電視獎那大豐之島背後又有文策院的支持那台灣漫遊路背後是文化部對台灣文學外藝工作的長期耕耘\n天黑夜則是公共電視的投資我想當然能得獎這個創作者個人的才華跟努力當然是最重要的可是文化部各單位能扮演好最後盾的角色能讓創作者有更好的條件下發揮各自的才華這才是一個很大的關鍵那可是我們擔心的說過去文化部對創作者的支持量能到今天我們還有辦法維持嗎\n今年度文化部的預算總共被刪除了11億 凍結了34億那媒體宣傳費還被刪到超過預算數大概400多萬那上週我們小野部長在王石祺的專訪裡頭就提到\n除了預算被動 那被刪以外還要再加上才化法的問題所以導致文化部有些活動會被停掉那有些錢可能要晚一點發或者發不出來 或者不敢發對於文化界來看其實是相當焦慮那對於這一點 次長你覺得你要如何回應文化界的焦慮\n第一個是這樣我們現在大概有一些會確定會受到一些影響譬如說我們的補助的案件的數量可能會稍微降低那我們原先像本來品牌團隊我們也期待再增加一團新的那現在比較沒有辦法做到但我們現在做的方法是這樣我們盡可能的把預算集中往這些本來已經存在的補助案去集中\n雖然他的案件量會下降但是我們希望在他影響最小的範圍那第二就是說我們希望讓這些也跟這些不管是個人或者是團體受補助的個人或團體來做溝通就說我們這些計畫都還是會存在我們這個發放的\n這個經費的時間可能會短但是這個經費還是會存在那透過這樣的方式來做那影響比較大的當然是整個宣傳預算跟國外旅費的這個部分那宣傳預算的部分我們現在就想盡各種辦法包括找民間企業啦希望利用民間的一些宣傳管道或者跟民間展開一些新的合作那另外就是說也希望\n大家可以透過文化人的口碑宣傳去建立這些宣傳的效益那但是我們也很怕因為我們的努力好像也很容易被委員解讀為說那你們就不缺錢啊你們努力就好那希望委員不要這樣的誤解我們仍然非常需要預算那另外就是草要法當然就是下一個需要因應的\n算是預算危機啦那這個部分我們的確還在內部的討論當中那主要是我們還是希望文化部的預算基本上支持兩個向度第一個當然是創作端的向度因為在創作端的時候它其實還沒有形成市場的實力但如果你不培養像創作端你在市場面你就沒有辦法有圓圓的物件內容可以做供應\n那第二就是他已經進入市場端的時候你就要加大幅度培育他對國際競爭的能量所以不管是投資也好補助也好或者是國際的行銷也好這些部分都需要政府的加碼我們希望在這兩端保證至少有基本的量能的情況下才可以讓這些文化界至少有基本的安心好那再來想要跟次長討論就是這一次國民黨為了反對轉型正義的推動反對一對\n撤離這個中正紀念堂的同向大廳那刪掉了中正紀念堂管理處營運與發展費用三千萬那國民黨這項舉動其實還蠻可笑刪掉中正紀念堂三千萬的經費是因為中正紀念堂不再是他們緬懷的威權獨裁的樣貌那我想\n在2025的今天國民黨居然還寫得出這種預算那我想除了可能是國民黨本身的悲哀以外也代表我國的轉型正義的工作可能還推動得不夠努力那我想為了避免國民黨未來會繼續搞不定的狀況那文化部我想應該要投入更多的心思在中央紀念堂的轉型正義那我們想辦法讓中央紀念堂\n就是無故被刪掉這三千萬有意義那我想既然少了三千萬那為了遵截今年度的這個預算費用那是否就乾脆關閉了中間檯的堂體一方面我想也省下無意義的這個堂體維護開銷那第二個是不是也來進一步來推動轉型正義的工作 次長你覺得咧\n謝謝委員的意見中心建廠的確被刪掉3000萬對中心建廠的影響算蠻大的包括原先原定的這些人權影展自由之路的展覽優化的這些開幕活動大概都比較沒有辦法來辦理了另外比較最嚴重的就是像基本維運包括清潔保全景觀維護 機電的維護甚至是水電費我們目前應該有的付得到7月有的付得到8月中心建廠已經在做委外合約的變更\n本來三個人巡邏的可能就變一個人巡邏等等大家面臨這一些挑戰那所以我們是希望盡量尊潔但是看起來可能還是不夠可能到時候還是需要部的支援等等那至於說是不是透過一些水電的節省來因應這個三千萬中央建設黨的確在做因應跟規劃\n好 官僚堂體這件事情也可以來考慮看看那好 我想不論是1920年代或者是2025的今天投身文化建設的台灣人都有一項共同認知就是我們要建設的文化不是純粹模仿中國 日本 或者西洋而是海納百川然後要吸收所有在這個土地上的教會的元素然後來發展屬於台灣的真正文化張大謙是台灣文化的一部分\n黃土水 澄澄波也是台灣文化的一部分所以這幾年來我們看到台灣文化越包容 自信 越多元豐富這就是我們積極開放的文化展現所以我想怎麼樣努力才能促進更多更好的創作在這塊土地文化部真的要一起努力\n那我想相當可惜就是說國民黨對於這些可貴的成果也毫不珍惜在這一次審查預算當中不斷對創作的內容進行思想的審查舉例來講國民黨委員在我們教委委員會在審查的現場就直接說批評台劇 臨日攻擊他的指教是這樣\n他說為什麼要以台灣遭攻擊的角度來拍攝這部影集然後甚至還說為什麼不叫臨日防禦我想您也在場應該有聽到這種政治審查不但是為了創作者會感受到壓力我想恐怕也會削弱民間對於創作或投資的信心\n那我最擔心的是說由於這些政治的干預那對我國的這個影視的發展的方向會造成實質的影響所以想要請教文化部就是說這一次的預算耗節後的文化產業你有什麼樣的觀察那會不會真的有所謂的寒蟬效應那你該怎麼輔導\n謝謝委員對文化部來說維持台灣文化多元的面貌是文化部一個非常核心的責任不管是歷代歷屆來到台灣的移民或者是現在的外來的移民或者是不同的族群或者是中華文化我想都是台灣文化的養分的來源也是台灣文化的一部分所以即使面臨預算上的一些限制對\n文化部來說我們還是努力去呈現不同的多元的台灣文化的面貌那包括在這些補助上面我們也希望透過專業的標準而不是透過對內容的審查來制定補助的標準那所以這些我們還是會謹守這樣的目標跟價值去努力那我想台灣作為一個世界的一員只有用內容價值文化的內容對於自由民主多元的信仰才能夠\n說服世界也可以才能夠獲得這個世界的支持那我想文化部則無旁貸進行這樣的努力好 最後10秒就是說出生在我們台南新化的重要文學家跟社會運動者楊奎他今年剛好適逢逝世40週年那我想非常關心的就是楊奎全集的出版進度跟有沒有相關的活動規劃是不是可以請次長或者相關單位做個說明因為今年他在\n年初1月3號就已經委外了所以他這個計畫基本上會按照期程進行因為那個時候我們因為在去年就做完準備所以沒有出版的部分我覺得是OK的有沒有規劃相關的活動有 包括現在已經有得標的廠商啦那包括新書的發表會啦這個120歲的名單啦還有這些對於貢獻的論壇我們都已經在籌備當中好 謝謝 謝謝次長謝謝主席謝謝怡謙 趙偉\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.151 --> 00:00.335\n王市長\n\n00:04.349 --> 00:30.823\n委員長首先跟次長說明也跟全體教育委員會報告我想一旦文化部把解凍報告送到委員會那我會用最快的速度來排進來排案那我想在這裡也要呼籲我們所有的不分朝野大家都來共同支持文化預算的全面解凍來彌補對這一次文化預算浩劫好那我想1920年代\n\n00:32.984 --> 00:52.569\n是台灣文化運動的起步階段那我想當時的知識分子包括林承祿、蔣渭水在內都相當強調台灣文化在世界舞台上所扮演的積極角色那台灣青年的創刊號就有文章倡議應該要以貢獻世界的精神來開拓台灣的文化\n\n00:54.609 --> 01:13.418\n這向台灣人對自身文化的百年追求我們至今還在路上而且做出相對卓越的成績此時此刻向全世界對台灣文化充滿濃厚的興趣我們舉例來看2023年拍攝樂生療養院的紀錄片大峰之島就在坎城\n\n01:14.338 --> 01:26.330\n電影市場展的紀錄片單元提案的競賽中一舉拿到最大獎2024年楊雙子的小說《台灣漫遊錄》也成為世界文學史上首部獲頒美國國家圖書館翻譯文學大獎的台灣作品2025年被陳玉珍等國民黨\n\n01:35.589 --> 01:54.330\n二整的這些公視視劇入圍了美國紐約的電視獎那大豐之島背後又有文策院的支持那台灣漫遊路背後是文化部對台灣文學外藝工作的長期耕耘\n\n01:55.131 --> 02:21.168\n天黑夜則是公共電視的投資我想當然能得獎這個創作者個人的才華跟努力當然是最重要的可是文化部各單位能扮演好最後盾的角色能讓創作者有更好的條件下發揮各自的才華這才是一個很大的關鍵那可是我們擔心的說過去文化部對創作者的支持量能到今天我們還有辦法維持嗎\n\n02:23.650 --> 02:40.923\n今年度文化部的預算總共被刪除了11億凍結了34億那媒體宣傳費還被刪到超過預算數大概400多萬那上週我們小野部長在王石祺的專訪裡頭就提到\n\n02:43.164 --> 03:04.320\n除了預算被動那被刪以外還要再加上才化法的問題所以導致文化部有些活動會被停掉那有些錢可能要晚一點發或者發不出來或者不敢發對於文化界來看其實是相當焦慮那對於這一點次長你覺得你要如何回應文化界的焦慮\n\n03:05.882 --> 03:27.240\n第一個是這樣我們現在大概有一些會確定會受到一些影響譬如說我們的補助的案件的數量可能會稍微降低那我們原先像本來品牌團隊我們也期待再增加一團新的那現在比較沒有辦法做到但我們現在做的方法是這樣我們盡可能的把預算集中往這些本來已經存在的補助案去集中\n\n03:27.941 --> 03:37.514\n雖然他的案件量會下降但是我們希望在他影響最小的範圍那第二就是說我們希望讓這些也跟這些不管是個人或者是團體受補助的個人或團體來做溝通就說我們這些計畫都還是會存在我們這個發放的\n\n03:46.245 --> 04:06.651\n這個經費的時間可能會短但是這個經費還是會存在那透過這樣的方式來做那影響比較大的當然是整個宣傳預算跟國外旅費的這個部分那宣傳預算的部分我們現在就想盡各種辦法包括找民間企業啦希望利用民間的一些宣傳管道或者跟民間展開一些新的合作那另外就是說也希望\n\n04:07.231 --> 04:24.800\n大家可以透過文化人的口碑宣傳去建立這些宣傳的效益那但是我們也很怕因為我們的努力好像也很容易被委員解讀為說那你們就不缺錢啊你們努力就好那希望委員不要這樣的誤解我們仍然非常需要預算那另外就是草要法當然就是下一個需要因應的\n\n04:25.960 --> 04:45.911\n算是預算危機啦那這個部分我們的確還在內部的討論當中那主要是我們還是希望文化部的預算基本上支持兩個向度第一個當然是創作端的向度因為在創作端的時候它其實還沒有形成市場的實力但如果你不培養像創作端你在市場面你就沒有辦法有圓圓的物件內容可以做供應\n\n04:46.531 --> 05:11.468\n那第二就是他已經進入市場端的時候你就要加大幅度培育他對國際競爭的能量所以不管是投資也好補助也好或者是國際的行銷也好這些部分都需要政府的加碼我們希望在這兩端保證至少有基本的量能的情況下才可以讓這些文化界至少有基本的安心好那再來想要跟次長討論就是這一次國民黨為了反對轉型正義的推動反對一對\n\n05:15.851 --> 05:22.395\n撤離這個中正紀念堂的同向大廳那刪掉了中正紀念堂管理處營運與發展費用三千萬那國民黨這項舉動其實還蠻可笑刪掉中正紀念堂三千萬的經費是因為中正紀念堂不再是他們緬懷的威權獨裁的樣貌那我想\n\n05:39.949 --> 06:04.224\n在2025的今天國民黨居然還寫得出這種預算那我想除了可能是國民黨本身的悲哀以外也代表我國的轉型正義的工作可能還推動得不夠努力那我想為了避免國民黨未來會繼續搞不定的狀況那文化部我想應該要投入更多的心思在中央紀念堂的轉型正義那我們想辦法讓中央紀念堂\n\n06:04.924 --> 06:27.679\n就是無故被刪掉這三千萬有意義那我想既然少了三千萬那為了遵截今年度的這個預算費用那是否就乾脆關閉了中間檯的堂體一方面我想也省下無意義的這個堂體維護開銷那第二個是不是也來進一步來推動轉型正義的工作次長你覺得咧\n\n06:29.781 --> 06:55.642\n謝謝委員的意見中心建廠的確被刪掉3000萬對中心建廠的影響算蠻大的包括原先原定的這些人權影展自由之路的展覽優化的這些開幕活動大概都比較沒有辦法來辦理了另外比較最嚴重的就是像基本維運包括清潔保全景觀維護機電的維護甚至是水電費我們目前應該有的付得到7月有的付得到8月中心建廠已經在做委外合約的變更\n\n06:56.963 --> 07:16.508\n本來三個人巡邏的可能就變一個人巡邏等等大家面臨這一些挑戰那所以我們是希望盡量尊潔但是看起來可能還是不夠可能到時候還是需要部的支援等等那至於說是不是透過一些水電的節省來因應這個三千萬中央建設黨的確在做因應跟規劃\n\n07:17.948 --> 07:46.339\n好官僚堂體這件事情也可以來考慮看看那好我想不論是1920年代或者是2025的今天投身文化建設的台灣人都有一項共同認知就是我們要建設的文化不是純粹模仿中國日本或者西洋而是海納百川然後要吸收所有在這個土地上的教會的元素然後來發展屬於台灣的真正文化張大謙是台灣文化的一部分\n\n07:47.519 --> 08:06.104\n黃土水澄澄波也是台灣文化的一部分所以這幾年來我們看到台灣文化越包容自信越多元豐富這就是我們積極開放的文化展現所以我想怎麼樣努力才能促進更多更好的創作在這塊土地文化部真的要一起努力\n\n08:06.784 --> 08:27.883\n那我想相當可惜就是說國民黨對於這些可貴的成果也毫不珍惜在這一次審查預算當中不斷對創作的內容進行思想的審查舉例來講國民黨委員在我們教委委員會在審查的現場就直接說批評台劇臨日攻擊他的指教是這樣\n\n08:28.604 --> 08:49.215\n他說為什麼要以台灣遭攻擊的角度來拍攝這部影集然後甚至還說為什麼不叫臨日防禦我想您也在場應該有聽到這種政治審查不但是為了創作者會感受到壓力我想恐怕也會削弱民間對於創作或投資的信心\n\n08:49.875 --> 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