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00:00:58,324\n內容振興院為師那當初那就是要廣布市場的據點在這個據診的這個當中呢是不是也有當初有規劃是包括在110109年的時候有設置到巴黎110年的時候有到這個東京還有到北美那現在的狀況並沒有到\n\n4\n00:01:06,109 --> 00:01:35,518\n海外的這個駐點尤其是我們的辦公室他到昨天的時候他還在詢問就是說目前都還沒有這樣的達成建置任何一個海外駐點的這個情形那請問理由是什麼我想只要有硬體駐點就需要投資在硬體上那就會有在當地的一個比較大的預算基礎那我想對文策院來說比較重要的是人的串聯跟國外機構的串聯所以我們目前採取的方式比較是海外顧問的方式我們希望用人的\n\n5\n00:01:36,238 --> 00:01:59,769\n的這個關係跟脈絡來做連結所以你會看到文策院有比較頻繁的出國然後有跟很多國家的這些相關文化內容的機構來簽訂這些合作計畫目的就是希望直接使用案子本身的合作來代替對於硬體的投資因為硬體的投資你要在短期內集中譬如說你在一個海外的設點你可能就至少需要台幣數千萬\n\n6\n00:02:01,030 --> 00:02:26,123\n好,那我了解了,那我現在想下面去問到了昨天士博的台灣館有這樣子的一個開幕這個花了20億,有3000人,昨天的參觀人數有到3000人好,那我們繼續往下看可是有一個問題是台灣館是我們自己講的,可是它事實上在大阪的士博會當中是用這個TechAward想詢問一下,王市長你去年的時候有到\n\n7\n00:02:27,386 --> 00:02:35,413\n大阪去做考察嘛那這個地方沒有辦法跟對方溝通我們當然知道是民間民意可是我們連台灣館都沒辦法呈現嗎各位委員報告整個對於孟州就是台灣館這個談判基本上是由經濟部跟\n\n8\n00:02:43,559 --> 00:02:59,277\n日本在展開那我去年去日本主要是針對大阪的部分我們會在大阪的市區來辦理文化世博所以我們的合作對象是大阪市大阪府還有在地的這些藝文民間文化的機構那這個部分的任務已經完成那所以對於這個\n\n9\n00:03:00,618 --> 00:03:16,648\n在孟州裡面是不是能用台灣的國家名義我想那會牽涉到外交部跟國際關係比較不是文化部能夠處理的部分但是文化部在大阪所舉辦的活動是用大阪我們在駐日本的文化中心來做辦理我們已經用台灣文化中心在日本辦理活動那我現在想要詢問的是說\n\n10\n00:03:24,073 --> 00:03:29,502\n在這邊的因為重點是達成成果的指標尤其是在\n\n11\n00:03:33,254 --> 00:03:56,780\n立法院的這些部分或是審計部這邊呢他會要求說必須要有成果性的這個指標那特別是針對的是例如說我們這邊這是有常常所謂的文化的這樣子一個科技嘛所以是不是有包括在投資的建樹這邊的這樣的或是未來經濟的規劃等等的還包括的是那個滿意度等等而不是只有瀏覽人士您的這樣一個考量是什麼\n\n12\n00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:12,030\n我們基本上這一次在大阪做文化勢博這件事情主要是展、映、演、互動、市集包括電影、文學、科技文化、視覺、互動表演那你們最後要做考察的指標\n\n13\n00:04:14,452 --> 00:04:20,296\n它的績效指標我要看出來說你們有沒有設定指標等等考察的指標考察的指標就是建立合作關係在這些所有合作的機構跟場地裡面都完成了這些合作的洽談並且也取得了合作的承諾這也是為什麼我們今年可以在大阪展開這一項活動的緣故這是大阪勢博的即將要到來的文化勢博大阪勢博的指標恐怕要經濟部來回答可是你們是文化科技文化科技是在\n\n14\n00:04:44,852 --> 00:05:07,029\n還是要跟委員說明我們在分工上在整個孟州的台灣館的這件事情跟參加大阪市博都是以經濟部為主並不是文化部所以文化部在大阪市博上面是不會設定指標的我們做的是文化市博就是指八月份的這件事情我們會在大阪來做當地的這些展應演的工作\n\n15\n00:05:08,280 --> 00:05:28,907\n知道這部分可能大家會問經濟部但是我希望文化部還是可以有文化的資產或是文化的產業出現那我們繼續往下看黑潮計畫的部分同樣是指這個計畫指標的有些效果不過我想說因為時間的關係我就跳到後面的部分去就是這個指標當中就是你看在這個地方這邊呈現出來說您的對於\n\n16\n00:05:31,448 --> 00:05:59,876\n行政院他們事實上有要求要做這些事情在上一頁好嗎這部分要做一些相關事情可是你們在做回報的時候並沒有達到這樣的效果還是把法規的把它貼上去之後它裡面的目標等等的你們是說用每月的報告去進行事實上可能還是不夠的如果委員不清我們可以再補資料給委員我們在黑潮裡面每個案子我們都是以案件數作為績效指標所以不管是原生故事內容的案件數台流戲劇的案件數流行音樂的案件數每一個都有\n\n17\n00:06:01,017 --> 00:06:29,176\n不管是補助或者是投資的指標所以它其實是有績效指標的好那就請您在會後的時候就提供給我好的那我們再看看有一個部分再往下的到戲劇的部分戲劇的部分的時候我這邊看到這裡可以看到在文化部裡面的文創院這邊黑潮戲劇當中特別傳統的戲劇這部分戲曲的部分有好多個但是我們後來看看再往下往下最後到看到文字的部分\n\n18\n00:06:30,037 --> 00:06:48,806\n那可以看到的是都是用歌仔戲包含兒童歌仔戲想詢問的是說那下一頁下一頁出現出來難道說戲曲難道沒有其他的種類傳統戲劇呈現嗎其實像我們在今年也有不只今年喔去年就開始我們也有補助傳譯中心的國劇團出國做演出那包括在今年也會有相關的計畫那風潮計畫裡面這個\n\n19\n00:06:56,209 --> 00:07:14,976\n傳譯中心的這個國軍團也是都有去做演出不是只有歌仔戲但歌仔戲當然也是其中的一支當然當然尤其是在台灣的文化是非常多元的我想說如果你在你的這個評鑑報告當中所以這邊要把它拿上去如果都這麼多元真的要把它呈現出來讓大家委員同時科界都可以看清楚\n\n20\n00:07:17,057 --> 00:07:37,414\n謝謝另外這部分還包括出版文化的部分出版文化的部分可以看到的是我們這邊看到文化黑潮的拓展台流的本文藝就是文本外藝外藝為主這部分當然是很好有些西方國家就是透過英文來瞭解我們有其他文嗎當然\n\n21\n00:07:39,475 --> 00:07:51,199\n各種文都有不只是只有英文包括像捷克、德文、泰文、菲律賓這些全部都有那我們現在累積的一本已經有212本了我們的目標是220本這是大概一版或是不到一版的情況那我請問一下有一個很大部分往下看就是在出版文化的內容上面是否有發展說以華語出版市場的部分\n\n22\n00:08:02,662 --> 00:08:07,087\n當然華語我們透過本身就有可是你們特別針對華語有在東南亞的部分主要是馬來西亞我們華語的市場馬來西亞跟新加坡大概比較有所謂的華語市場那在其他的地區大概就是以該國的語言作為推廣跟對話的目標那尤其台灣現在的翻譯作品也在國際上開始得獎那所以這個部分也受到國際蠻大的重視那我再詢問一下\n\n23\n00:08:23,645 --> 00:08:46,315\n對岸有14億的人口那這樣的部分有沒有說先對方洽談我們的一個華語的這樣的一個出版企劃我想中國市場的部分是這樣如果有我們本來就有出版社是跟中國的市場有合作也有台灣的作者是銷往中國市場的那跟中國社長合作基本上就是建立在雙方的商業規則跟規範上面其實沒有一直都沒有這個\n\n24\n00:08:47,595 --> 00:09:01,929\n什麼合作的問題那主要進入中國市場大概最需要顧慮的大概就是他們對於智慧財產權對於版權的尊重那是不是進入中國市場可以順利的獲利這大概是我們在跟中國市場合作的時候主要關心的焦點那在出版社的部分其實一直都管道蠻暢通那我們的產值是多少有估計嗎\n\n25\n00:09:04,911 --> 00:09:21,705\n產值我可以另外再補充因為我今天手上沒有把產值的部分中國市場的產值帶過來因為這個部分是讓大陸了解台灣非常重要的一環尤其是台灣他發覺到說台灣真的跟大陸文化有差異性的時候他就會覺得說如果他們願意接受台灣民主自由的文化內容我想是非常好的一件事情\n\n26\n00:09:23,547 --> 00:09:40,258\n這個應該就是文化本身就是無國界只要是有共同核心只要他們不禁止我們的話我們是很希望因為中國還是有言論管制謝謝因為這個文化次長你這邊有在討論到這個多元文化的部分尤其在台灣主體興趣讓世界看見我們台灣真的是非常好的事情謝謝委員好謝謝劉淑平\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n650\t14912\t有請劉書斌委員有請王次長好 有請王次長\n18883\t44755\t好 次長好今天主題是樂為世界人然後就是透過台灣文化的一個展現讓國際的能見度能提升這個主題那我們最近看到的是說文策院的部分它事實上是扮演一個很重要的角色那我要討論的是說它的海外駐點的設置當中尤其是文策院它當初是以韓國文化的\n45895\t58324\t內容振興院為師那當初那就是要廣布市場的據點在這個據診的這個當中呢是不是也有當初有規劃是包括在110109年的時候有設置到巴黎110年的時候有到這個東京還有到北美那現在的狀況並沒有到\n66109\t95518\t海外的這個駐點尤其是我們的辦公室他到昨天的時候他還在詢問就是說目前都還沒有這樣的達成建置任何一個海外駐點的這個情形那請問理由是什麼我想只要有硬體駐點就需要投資在硬體上那就會有在當地的一個比較大的預算基礎那我想對文策院來說比較重要的是人的串聯跟國外機構的串聯所以我們目前採取的方式比較是海外顧問的方式我們希望用人的\n96238\t119769\t的這個關係跟脈絡來做連結所以你會看到文策院有比較頻繁的出國然後有跟很多國家的這些相關文化內容的機構來簽訂這些合作計畫目的就是希望直接使用案子本身的合作來代替對於硬體的投資因為硬體的投資你要在短期內集中譬如說你在一個海外的設點你可能就至少需要台幣數千萬\n121030\t146123\t好,那我了解了,那我現在想下面去問到了昨天士博的台灣館有這樣子的一個開幕這個花了20億,有3000人,昨天的參觀人數有到3000人好,那我們繼續往下看可是有一個問題是台灣館是我們自己講的,可是它事實上在大阪的士博會當中是用這個Tech 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那就請您在會後的時候就提供給我好的那我們再看看有一個部分再往下的到戲劇的部分戲劇的部分的時候我這邊看到這裡可以看到在文化部裡面的文創院這邊黑潮戲劇當中特別傳統的戲劇這部分戲曲的部分有好多個但是我們後來看看再往下往下最後到看到文字的部分\n390037\t408806\t那可以看到的是都是用歌仔戲包含兒童歌仔戲想詢問的是說那下一頁下一頁出現出來難道說戲曲難道沒有其他的種類傳統戲劇呈現嗎其實像我們在今年也有不只今年喔去年就開始我們也有補助傳譯中心的國劇團出國做演出那包括在今年也會有相關的計畫那風潮計畫裡面這個\n416209\t434976\t傳譯中心的這個國軍團也是都有去做演出不是只有歌仔戲 但歌仔戲當然也是其中的一支 當然當然 尤其是在台灣的文化是非常多元的 我想說如果你在你的這個評鑑報告當中 所以這邊要把它拿上去 如果都這麼多元真的要把它呈現出來 讓大家委員同時 科界都可以看清楚\n437057\t457414\t謝謝另外這部分還包括出版文化的部分出版文化的部分可以看到的是我們這邊看到文化黑潮的拓展台流的本文藝就是文本外藝外藝為主這部分當然是很好有些西方國家就是透過英文來瞭解我們有其他文嗎當然\n459475\t471199\t各種文都有 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次長好今天主題是樂為世界人然後就是透過台灣文化的一個展現讓國際的能見度能提升這個主題那我們最近看到的是說文策院的部分它事實上是扮演一個很重要的角色那我要討論的是說它的海外駐點的設置當中尤其是文策院它當初是以韓國文化的\n內容振興院為師那當初那就是要廣布市場的據點在這個據診的這個當中呢是不是也有當初有規劃是包括在110109年的時候有設置到巴黎110年的時候有到這個東京還有到北美那現在的狀況並沒有到\n海外的這個駐點尤其是我們的辦公室他到昨天的時候他還在詢問就是說目前都還沒有這樣的達成建置任何一個海外駐點的這個情形那請問理由是什麼我想只要有硬體駐點就需要投資在硬體上那就會有在當地的一個比較大的預算基礎那我想對文策院來說比較重要的是人的串聯跟國外機構的串聯所以我們目前採取的方式比較是海外顧問的方式我們希望用人的\n的這個關係跟脈絡來做連結所以你會看到文策院有比較頻繁的出國然後有跟很多國家的這些相關文化內容的機構來簽訂這些合作計畫目的就是希望直接使用案子本身的合作來代替對於硬體的投資因為硬體的投資你要在短期內集中譬如說你在一個海外的設點你可能就至少需要台幣數千萬\n好,那我了解了,那我現在想下面去問到了昨天士博的台灣館有這樣子的一個開幕這個花了20億,有3000人,昨天的參觀人數有到3000人好,那我們繼續往下看可是有一個問題是台灣館是我們自己講的,可是它事實上在大阪的士博會當中是用這個Tech Award想詢問一下,王市長你去年的時候有到\n大阪去做考察嘛那這個地方沒有辦法跟對方溝通我們當然知道是民間民意可是我們連台灣館都沒辦法呈現嗎各位委員報告整個對於孟州就是台灣館這個談判基本上是由經濟部跟\n日本在展開那我去年去日本主要是針對大阪的部分我們會在大阪的市區來辦理文化世博所以我們的合作對象是大阪市大阪府還有在地的這些藝文民間文化的機構那這個部分的任務已經完成那所以對於這個\n在孟州裡面是不是能用台灣的國家名義我想那會牽涉到外交部跟國際關係比較不是文化部能夠處理的部分但是文化部在大阪所舉辦的活動是用大阪我們在駐日本的文化中心來做辦理我們已經用台灣文化中心在日本辦理活動那我現在想要詢問的是說\n在這邊的因為重點是達成成果的指標尤其是在\n立法院的這些部分或是審計部這邊呢他會要求說必須要有成果性的這個指標那特別是針對的是例如說我們這邊這是有常常所謂的文化的這樣子一個科技嘛所以是不是有包括在投資的建樹這邊的這樣的或是未來經濟的規劃等等的還包括的是那個滿意度等等而不是只有瀏覽人士您的這樣一個考量是什麼\n我們基本上這一次在大阪做文化勢博這件事情主要是展、映、演、互動、市集包括電影、文學、科技文化、視覺、互動表演那你們最後要做考察的指標\n它的績效指標我要看出來說你們有沒有設定指標等等考察的指標考察的指標就是建立合作關係在這些所有合作的機構跟場地裡面都完成了這些合作的洽談並且也取得了合作的承諾這也是為什麼我們今年可以在大阪展開這一項活動的緣故這是大阪勢博的即將要到來的文化勢博大阪勢博的指標恐怕要經濟部來回答可是你們是文化科技文化科技是在\n還是要跟委員說明我們在分工上在整個孟州的台灣館的這件事情跟參加大阪市博都是以經濟部為主並不是文化部所以文化部在大阪市博上面是不會設定指標的我們做的是文化市博就是指八月份的這件事情我們會在大阪來做當地的這些展應演的工作\n知道這部分可能大家會問經濟部但是我希望文化部還是可以有文化的資產或是文化的產業出現那我們繼續往下看黑潮計畫的部分同樣是指這個計畫指標的有些效果不過我想說因為時間的關係我就跳到後面的部分去就是這個指標當中就是你看在這個地方這邊呈現出來說您的對於\n行政院他們事實上有要求要做這些事情在上一頁好嗎這部分要做一些相關事情可是你們在做回報的時候並沒有達到這樣的效果還是把法規的把它貼上去之後它裡面的目標等等的你們是說用每月的報告去進行事實上可能還是不夠的如果委員不清我們可以再補資料給委員我們在黑潮裡面每個案子我們都是以案件數作為績效指標所以不管是原生故事內容的案件數台流戲劇的案件數流行音樂的案件數每一個都有\n不管是補助或者是投資的指標所以它其實是有績效指標的好 那就請您在會後的時候就提供給我好的那我們再看看有一個部分再往下的到戲劇的部分戲劇的部分的時候我這邊看到這裡可以看到在文化部裡面的文創院這邊黑潮戲劇當中特別傳統的戲劇這部分戲曲的部分有好多個但是我們後來看看再往下往下最後到看到文字的部分\n那可以看到的是都是用歌仔戲包含兒童歌仔戲想詢問的是說那下一頁下一頁出現出來難道說戲曲難道沒有其他的種類傳統戲劇呈現嗎其實像我們在今年也有不只今年喔去年就開始我們也有補助傳譯中心的國劇團出國做演出那包括在今年也會有相關的計畫那風潮計畫裡面這個\n傳譯中心的這個國軍團也是都有去做演出不是只有歌仔戲 但歌仔戲當然也是其中的一支 當然當然 尤其是在台灣的文化是非常多元的 我想說如果你在你的這個評鑑報告當中 所以這邊要把它拿上去 如果都這麼多元真的要把它呈現出來 讓大家委員同時 科界都可以看清楚\n謝謝另外這部分還包括出版文化的部分出版文化的部分可以看到的是我們這邊看到文化黑潮的拓展台流的本文藝就是文本外藝外藝為主這部分當然是很好有些西方國家就是透過英文來瞭解我們有其他文嗎當然\n各種文都有 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那就請您在會後的時候就提供給我好的那我們再看看有一個部分再往下的到戲劇的部分戲劇的部分的時候我這邊看到這裡可以看到在文化部裡面的文創院這邊黑潮戲劇當中特別傳統的戲劇這部分戲曲的部分有好多個但是我們後來看看再往下往下最後到看到文字的部分"},{"start":390.037,"end":408.806,"text":"那可以看到的是都是用歌仔戲包含兒童歌仔戲想詢問的是說那下一頁下一頁出現出來難道說戲曲難道沒有其他的種類傳統戲劇呈現嗎其實像我們在今年也有不只今年喔去年就開始我們也有補助傳譯中心的國劇團出國做演出那包括在今年也會有相關的計畫那風潮計畫裡面這個"},{"start":416.209,"end":434.976,"text":"傳譯中心的這個國軍團也是都有去做演出不是只有歌仔戲 但歌仔戲當然也是其中的一支 當然當然 尤其是在台灣的文化是非常多元的 我想說如果你在你的這個評鑑報告當中 所以這邊要把它拿上去 如果都這麼多元真的要把它呈現出來 讓大家委員同時 科界都可以看清楚"},{"start":437.057,"end":457.414,"text":"謝謝另外這部分還包括出版文化的部分出版文化的部分可以看到的是我們這邊看到文化黑潮的拓展台流的本文藝就是文本外藝外藝為主這部分當然是很好有些西方國家就是透過英文來瞭解我們有其他文嗎當然"},{"start":459.475,"end":471.199,"text":"各種文都有 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